Q&A with Fish’n Canada’s Ang & Pete

how's that working now well I was very confused therefore it's anybody's here

if the audience is hearing a little bit free is we both stupid and I went way

off track I just AJ Johnson jr. moments they're so remote

things hopefully we're on I don't know I was I don't right now if you go over to

the public chat Lucia people see I goers there Igor's there right now so I guess

what I would say at feet in the background there is that you know based on what I'm hearing now and what was

said yesterday it looks like we may be grounded till August or September you

know we should go to series I don't know I don't know we're gonna do there to be honest with you maybe we'll go down to

Georgia because they talk about Georgia is starting to open up everything now like I heard that yesterday or this morning to like it's you know what Ted

putnams place in the US and shoot down there and they they're gonna be free before we are by sounds of it we can do

half the season down there and then when he opens up north we'll go up there total tell Ted a year so many ways

everybody we kind of picked us up midstream we were talking about about

what we're gonna do next year for the Fisher canada show based on the fact that we might not be able to even do any

traveling until well into august fire sounds a bit so that's pretty so what

are we doing today Mr Bowen you got problem well yeah I got under control I think what we're gonna do and we've got

to make a format for this right this is all new to us as much as it is for everybody else so I think what we need to do on every one of these if we do

them Tuesdays and Fridays we take the questions that were not answered from

the previous post or host or whatever you call this and then we answer those questions and then move on to the

subject so in this case we have them there bunch of questions from last week's show and then we'll delve into

those we have some questions that are to fishing Canada will knock into those two and at the end of it all I was

thinking we should go to the relation in Pike article we did and then we can talk a little bit about that for the five

baits suggested by obviously me right Angelo how about the fact that we also

were supposed to name this segment and we're gonna ask folks to pitch in yeah

and you can even do the heavy lifting and come up with a name for the segment we've got a few ideas but we'd like to

hear from you we have to give it a name we have to title this thing the audience

the name before us you know not none because he will he'll put something he'll slag us in somewhere for sure I

mean it's gonna have to be something good versus evil hey Willie machetes in

there eh well are you doing buddy handlebars fishing muskie boys they're nice also I'm getting a lot of buddies

of mine who who heard about last week's show and they said they couldn't find us they couldn't get on so if we need to

make any announcements as to whether how people can get this podcast that we

should be doing it now and or put it up on the screen or something how do people

connect with this show obviously there's a bunch of already there that don't need

that information but apparently there was a bunch last week that could make a non self yeah yeah now maybe even he's

running the helm behind us here right now maybe he can take something in there but they won't be on anyway I don't know

how we do it fishing canva.com slash live that's it that's all they need to know right come

on is that a bad behind you yeah that's

where I'd sleep alright anyways bye for

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experience every step every Tuesday yeah Tuesday and Friday are you supposed to

be a tech type guy huh keep your image is so terrible because you're seeing it the fans don't see it's something

different it's the fans don't see what you're seeing Oh exactly yeah doubles from last time

and I think we should we got a list made up here and we got I would say let's

start from the top the one from Kathy Walters it's a pretty basic question but I don't think Kathy

watches his a whole lot because go ahead or she could be from Saskatchewan and is

very curious right Canton wants to know I have we ever been fishing in

Saskatchewan Thank You Stephen I love you brother to answer that I guess over the last

30-some odd years I would say we've been there I'm gonna go out and live now and say we've been there anywhere - I don't

know 15 times 20 times so yes the answer the answer is a resounding absolutely n

and not only just for what you would normally associate Saskatchewan for Pete

to show there a large both that was awesome boundary dam reservoir

and it was near the town of Estevan and what a great what a great show that was we've been the Selwyn Lake Tobin Lake

boundary dam last Mountain Lake I think there's a reason there a Wollaston Lake

up there two inch in the west corner yeah so we've been opened yeah yeah

we've been there bunch of times so yeah it's an unbelievable fishing province for sure you know if there's a knock if

there's anything wrong with it at all and I'm not suggesting that there is but if there is a weak link maybe not enough

structure getting from point A to point B is sometimes very difficult in terms of aligning your means of transport but

other than that it's an incredible fishery for sure from north to south you

know there's a lot of it which means the staff I saw okay next one is from Elaine Duke and it says if I was looking into a

fly-in fishing camp in Ontario Nick wink-wink nudge-nudge what would you

recommend for someone who's maybe on a budget oops sorry I'll take back that we managed but it's still looking for that

full experience that's a million-dollar question you know the budget clean is

kind of interesting because from my experience budgets are relative to the

person who is establishing them what I might think is a low budget might not be necessarily your idea of a low budget so

it's pretty difficult for us to sort of give you a general answer on that but there are some some economy trips

available there's lots of economy trips and there's lots of premium trips if

you're looking for premium let me throw the premiums up first you you've got a hot lake obviously that we've talked

about on our programs for a while now you've got Lodge 88 which is another

great premium trip there's probably in my opinion in Ontario it's probably a

dozen absolutely stellar Premium trips that one could take and then below that

there's probably several hundred economy

trips because the rest to me are all economy if you're not at the premium level you're all economy and there's a

ton of those what species would you be looking forward being probably the most important question to ask and because you didn't tell us that it's going to be

pretty hard to to really pinpoint it you're just saying you're looking for a flying and fishing cap and I'm Tara Pete

where you got a nut I would I mean I think the normal species then on a fly

in camp and be walleye and pike as a rule like walleye is the number one in the province why could be right there

because it's usually in the same way you know like a Gita's KB cabins you

know that's a great place you bring your own food in and and going those timber timber wolf Lots I love those those guys

are like absolutely awesome these are on small lake well kb cabins don't ya give

me a room the hell not name of that lake is huge but it's got timber wolf got a

great little lake if there's only two lodges on the whole lake very perfectly priced in that mid level and fishing is

outstanding so those are a couple right there and then I mean go fishing Ontario is a great site you can learn in there and and type in what you want type in

your budget and you will find a logical species you want because then it's like I said we've gone into hasty Lake and

that's a fly-in Bass Lake so as where as that is you know if that's what you want there's a lot of different species of

Marten River Lodge comes to mind I mean there are a ton of them hey listen why

just go to fishing can be calm and and check out the archives because we've shot programs and pretty much everything

every significant operation in this province for sure you can actually see

the experience first and then make a decision based on that yeah absolutely

that's what Mark Burton any tips for maintenance and cleaning fishing tackle

well excuse me mm-hmm I'll defer that one to you mr. Bowman

you know what I say maintenance on your reels here's a good one for you

whenever let's say in the fall when you're done for the year or you don't

fish a whole lot loosen your drag right off on your reels bait casting and spinning reels loosen that drag off so

it's not tight tight and bound down because because there's a washer system in there and you do not want to compress

those washers that they don't need to be your Greg you'll work a lot better so you loosen them very great offer 3/4 of the way off

I think that's a great tip that we always do like I mean if we're gonna put these rise muskie rise to go for once or

twice you know for us we don't do a lot so once or twice in a season we'll turn them back to the reels right off again

look at the drags for or you don't want to really nowadays

the debate casters and spinning reels you really don't want to take them apart too much because there's so many intricate parts inside if you do just

take the caps off and put a little bit of real oil in there I'm going buy some real oil or a company like that they

make they make great products you can just dip a dab of oil right you don't

really need to grease a whole lot in there anymore nowadays I mean ultimately you will but then you should probably send it in for servicing and keep them

clean you know what if you want to clean grime off we use five part water one

part vinegar something like that on a rag clean stuff off of that and that's

basically if you keep stuff clean a little bit oiled loosen that and drag off that's basically all we do I I

discovered something last year that it's pretty phenomenal for it's not really

maintenance it's more preventative because I don't know what you're like at the end of the year the last thing I

want to do is start going through all the tackle boxes and dumping them out and cleaning everything off like we

should be especially to dry things out so generally what happens with me I open up my tackle box in the spring and yeah

there's a lot of rust in there I pulled it to this great product actually two

years ago I found it in Europe of all places by a company that's American

called wood stream and they have this new product out called I think it's a Pete helped me on this one is at Z rust

I think so I think I have one set so there's a product called zero so this

blue plastic looking stuff and it comes in different shapes and sizes and you

put it in your tackle boxes they even have that then you've got one right there yeah it's ze rust it's called this stuff

is nothing short of a miracle so you put that in your tackle box you tape it onto

the inside lid of your tackle box and it dries up all the moisture and you come

back in this friggin open your boxes and there's no rust like it's a miracle if they haven't unique fresh air it is

great and they also have the little dividers that you can divide your actual tackle box with little plastic inserts

you take out the clear ones that come with the box and you put these blue ones in and i'm tanja it's it's the best

preventative you know pre maintenance product that you can get and they all take a little block to they make a

little smaller when they can go into a compartment of this process and you know the one i just showed you so really good

really great idea and it works pretty cool Sean Richard wants to know he says I

have a question for you guys when are you gonna resurrect barclays the greatest Fisher score on earth that's

awesome I have some fond memories of that baby I'll tell you but that that

one is long gone that was a retail store for those of you who aren't aware of it we had a retail

store for about 25 years and this was pre pre everything Walmart was not in

Canada Canadian Tire wasn't really in the fishing game and there was there was

a handful of retailers that were taking fishing seriously and Barclays was one

of them as a it was the first of the super stores for the outdoors so it was

pretty cool met a lot of people there have a lot of fond memories like I say but I'm kind of

glad we're not in that game anymore with it was time to get to know for sure but thanks for bringing that up and giving

us some great memories got on the right side of everybody's looking at the comments yeah I'm one guy adds Minute

Rice to his tackle yes packs silica gel so we're getting

lots of good advice when they're to that that rice actually it's some good idea do you take electronic devices and put

it in there and dry rice it'll it'll take the moisture out so I didn't never tried it on my tackle box but it's a

good idea yeah it works with everything else yeah right yeah next question Stephen

Neil Curtis if you were fishing a large body of water Oak Lake Manitoba that is

only seven to eight feet deep max with Sandy featureless bottom what would be

your go-to tactics and why the lake has tons of walleye and foot

sighs perch and pike there you go what's

that no that's a bull you know what that reminds me of Ange the portion of Max

Hamish League that we fish the big standing point no weeds whatsoever all

saying now it goes out deeper than that and the deep areas but that said if you

compare his leg to that you know what what a really good tactic good Angela

and Nick came up with the first trip out there was longline trolling floating

minnow baits so it's only you know seven feet of water that's almost exactly what we're fishing now controlling floating

minnow baby doesn't get down very deep obviously but in a slow pace and that two horsepower Merc and and it worked

really well right oh and I think that this the key there is as most of you

know and as Pete knows I'm I'm big on vertical fishing right give me a drop shot rig and a shad shaped worm and and

and put me in the corner and I'll be there for weeks come back and I'm still there but and and and and for the most

part it's my first go to bait that I'll use on just about any lake for any species of fish well in this particular

situation on this lake that Pete just mentioned I did that for about two hours

and had very limited success and then we

started just casting out these little oh well you know 4-inch stick baits and

stuff throwing them out minnow baits trying to figure out what was going on and at one point inadvertently I put the

I wanted to move to a different location and I put the boat in gear and we

weren't moving for two seconds and we caught a fish and so it started

developing into a pattern that all of a sudden we just found out every time we stopped in the no action as soon as

you're in forward motion you're getting fish and that key there I think was clear shallow featureless

bottom water and it sounds like that's what you've got so my answer to you would be would be long line trolling

small baits floating baits but but yeah I think you'll find that be very

successful you know the the vertical presentation is great when you when you've got crystal-clear water and only

seven eight feet below the boat chances are pretty good that that you're gonna spook most of the fish in close

proximity so that's where that long-distance trolling comes in now I'm going to give you a couple more that

I've done on a few legs very few even a one on that sandwich one is taking a

five inch for five and swimbait yeah are you can use a curly kale or something

like that but on a jig head and long bombing casts away out there even if I

did this when Angela's trolling the minnow bait I quarter the boat I'd cast it away out there let it drop down and

pop into the sand so you can go like a half ounce head let it hit the sand and then just work it back like a jig even

though it's a swim bait it's one of the rare times they run swimming like a jig rod lift it up and then pop back in the sand up that a pup back into the sand

and that can really trigger walleyes and plague to you know depending what you

want to get want to get while eyes do that or if it's seven or eight feet as you say take a ten foot deep diving

crankbait so in a walleye shape or even a bass style frankly and this is

forecasting mostly you cast it out again long bomb task and rip it down as hard as you can you know just fast you can

dig into the sand and then slow it down and when that thing is going along like this and digging into the sand every now

and then leaves up a puff of dirt toughest animal and that can catch a lot of walleye depending on their activity

level fish so those are two tactics and I want to try swim bass with a jig head and ten foot or a deeper crank big on

the bottom and dig it in there sounds good

of course we've got all kinds of different things - if you had efficient CARICOM and go on to our even what's our

segment with that we have we have a button there on the site that people can go in and how to's

right we ought maybe not you can get lot more in-depth information they're so sweet our YouTube channel to get lots of

stuff on there too so yeah mark camp wants to know do I have to

register a canoe with a trolling motor and a five horsepower outboard yeah the

answer no you do not have to register a canoe in this country as far as I know

and I was at one point a very significant retailer of canoes and back

then no you didn't have to so the rule the rule of thumb as well I think get me

wrong maybe I'm wrong on this one is that anything ten horsepower or up as Boat wise needs to be registered and

that's why they make nine nines that's why that number nine point nine came in so you don't have to register that little 1440 with a 99 on it so a five

horsepower gave well under that and the canoe thing so I don't think you'd have to register it well it's are you sure

about that there used to be that the nine point nine is that that's why they made that okay but a boat is not

registered as a nine point nine like when you go register bow the hornet

power doesn't enter into it oh I believe it I think I'm buying boat without a

motor on it right are you buy a 20-foot boat with no motor on it and you can if you've got a 20 foot bass

boat and you start paddling it around you don't have to register it I want you paddle on a boat pal I don't know you

know we're probably the wrong people that to ask is what happens with us all right comes in and somebody else does

all the registering it they just point us in the right direction if we won't get on the boat off and go so sorry

about that one or somebody can say it in the comments if somebody knows the legalities of it by the way all of these

new questions that you're asking now that we see them up on the listing here we'll get at them either later or for

next week's show sound like we're ignoring you because there's a lot of great questions there but we do have to

adhere to this list for so that you know whatever happened to

the mouse lure Steve McAllister thank

you for that one Steve appreciate it we've only answered that one about a million times over the last ten or so

years it's it's taken so many different turns and and twists and right now at

this very moment it's sitting in limbo obviously the pandemic kind of put a

stop to anything that was coming along in terms of development we will resurrect it when the time is

appropriate just so that we have a perfectly clear the the most difficult part of that date was first of all the

the cupping of the ears was a real difficult thing to get a patent for and we worked and worked in getting that but

but that was not the biggest problem biggest problem it was the Fleur we used real fur on that bait and it had to be a

hand process cutting the the fur and adhering it to the body of the bait he

could not be automated several companies tried in the Orient to do it and everything that came back we rejected we

just could not get the quality levels through an automated process of putting on this real fur if it was artificial

fur it was fine but the problem with artificial fur is it didn't fish very well so we didn't want to sacrifice the

fish ability of the bait because the key to this bait is that it truly is magic it catches fish bottom line there's very

few bass I've never fished the top water bait in my life and I am big on top

water fishing I've never fished the top water bait my life like this thing but we couldn't get it manufactured to work

properly we couldn't get it manufactured with natural fur and still have the

quality control and the ability to produce mass quantities at an affordable

price we could if it was going to be a 25 or 35 or even a $40 door but

I dream our vision of this bait when we first put it together was to come up with a lure that we could you know have

everybody by you know I tan the $12 lure that everybody could afford and so we

really stuck to our principles and and that's why it's not on the market yet obviously we're not in the lure

production business but one day I wouldn't count it out it's not a dead

issue yet so thanks for that so we're obviously thinking of the consumer on

that one ligand said if we can get that made for 10 bucks that'd be great it was ten bucks probably not gonna happen even

twelve bucks but the way everybody has been quoting us it's like oh god it's gonna be a $20 plus lure at least so we

want to get it down a lot more than that's what everybody is interested can afford it so looking at this list and

there's a lot of people that are with me on the ten horsepower thing over there automotive as powered by an engine of 10

horsepower or more are required by to have a pleasure craft licence by Transport Canada there's a bunch of them

saying that you guys pretty much nailed it ten horse on about these registrations so I'll take their word

for it I believe you I believe each and every one here cuz I don't know the answer now I do thank you thank you

here's what is kind of interesting you Great Lakes anglers so Great Lakes

anglers use marabou jigs or plastic worms for tributary when they're

steelhead fishing both methods were done in BC and being back home now doing this

semi-retirement gig has me curious about a few things and that's from Donald Stokes I know how you doing still eating

that boy yeah we met well we met Stokes out west one time that's right the salt I

find this question fascinating because I'll mention his name a good friend of

mine I haven't seen him in a hundred years Randy Jennings is his name and he's a

river rat he is one of the the I would say steelhead originals

steelhead anglers that that ran all of these rivers on the north shore of Lake Ontario and knew every fish by first

name he taught me a little thing about marabou James you know at a time when

when row or single A's that was the big thing I mean row bags were even sort of falling out of style

if you will single eggs were really big and I remember Randy one time tying on this

little white marabou jig he's probably if he's listening to this he's probably screaming right now don't tell him but white marabou jigs when

everybody else is using roam is absolutely dynamite and no Don very few

people are using him so marabou is a great thing and not only first steelhead rivers I think just about any type of

fishing marabou is a great product and plus they're little plastic worms Donny for sure people see that right there

pink plastic worms a lot of guys a lot of people are throwing that on the

rivers especially after a couple weeks into the season when roll is starting to

be seen by every trout in there then they can look something different right so they use a tiny little you see that hook look at the size of that tiny

little hook like that with that bait pink seems to be the color for that so the new use out here they also use beads

plastic beads are very popular looks like a single egg and a lot of guys use

flies under a float with spinning gear or float reels and so those that all whatever's done all the West is probably

being done out here to endear kids so a lot of the things from out west you know we started fishing out BC and mid 80s

for salmon and there were a lot of things that that the BC folks were using

that we've never seen in the Great Lakes and vice versa we were fishing for salmon in the Great Lakes and and

steelhead in the Great Lakes you know at the same time with totally different products so it was a great time an hour

in a fishing community a great time of cross-pollination of different techniques presentations and in fact

baits and you know it turns out that our fish no matter where they are and

they do what fish do and so a lot of these baits work in various areas

Canadian the Canadian rod father says marabou is badass on local trips there

you go there you go with the name like the rod father I gotta believe you're

not gonna argue with that one yes sir Billy Hatfield how you doing Billy

hopefully you're on one he's that he's a neat one boy guy you know he wants to know where we're gonna go lobster

fishing with him early you name the time as soon as possible ASAP boney you name

it were there Oh that'd be funny times who's this Cody a good child wants to

know how many times have you hooked yourselves all of the years that you

have been fishing before you you you you say anything I don't mind I'll come out

and say that I have probably got more puncture wounds on this old body of mine than anybody in the business

don't laugh would you laughing help myself because I've experienced trips

with you in the past especially go ahead alright but I do want to say one thing

and you will back me up on this it has been a long time since piercing my body

absolutely for a while there I was on a run for about three four years oh my god like I used everything out of my body

with hooks deadly deadly so do you remember any instances in particular do

you remember okay - I'll give you two that that are just burned into my psyche

one of them is in Manitoba I want to

call it White Rock Lake I couldn't no no I start with a Burton Lake I think it's

called we were smallmouth bass fishing and I was throwing a pop our and and and and the action was insane

like like every you anticipated a five pound smallmouth bass on every single

cast with a pop R and so this was this was now going on for about 45 minutes an

hour and now like your every before the the pop are even hits the water you're

already envisioning you setting the hook on a four to five pound fish and so I

was getting into this rhythm almost it was almost mechanical in in in

that I was casting and it would just hit and I'd already set the hook cuz I knew there's gonna be fish on anyways at this

one point I threw it out in and as I remember vividly as I'm casting to this

piece of wood I'm saying to myself this is going to be the biggest strike of the

day and as I'm throwing it I'm setting the hook and in fact this big big boil

came up but I just anticipated it way too too soon

pull the pop art back towards me as it's coming towards me I'm thinking oh wow

this is gonna hurt this is coming right at me and somehow I deflected it down and it lodged itself

two of the treble hooks two points of drivel lodged themselves into my shin

into my shin that had been the first time I've ever took that one into the

bone your shin bone with two hooks nice I remember I don't think there was a

hospital or anything quite close to there any we were in Quetta way I think here at middle of nowhere and the other

one was on the Red River and Manitoba yeah I remember that one Red River where I just completely sliced my thumb

catfishing I believe it was how long we had to go to the hospital yeah we went

on awesome and then on that one we came back and finished the show because we

hadn't finished it we had come back and finish the show with my thumb all and I what I remember about that one was

really cool was that a couple of years later when that episode was airing we

had one of her fans wrote in and none of us had even been attached to it we had a

fan wrote in and said hey I have a question I just finished watching Red River Cats with angel oh and I noticed

something kind of weird and it bothered me for a while so I thought I'd write in and ask you and it was how come he

started the show no no it was the opposite because as it turned out we

shot it out of sequence he said how come angel started the show with a big wad of

tape on his thumb and then it wasn't there a couple of casts later that was a

fast humorous nobody's a real fast you don't worry about that I got I'll tell

you my very first instance of booking myself I was on Lake Ontario shoreline around Port Hope I think it was and for

some reason we were throwing spinners me and my buddy had spinning gear and I had a little spinner on but I had a split

shot you know I get the camera all that guys let's shot four and a half ahead of

the spinner and we were doing the casting contest typical young guys that distance and and I you know we had these

like baits gonna see who's good with the white stuff so I remember distinctly I was into the wind or some weird situation where I I wound up I mean I

was back when this spinning rod rig ready to go anyway when I fling that out as hard as I could and I remember seeing

the flesh I go like this and stop and I don't know what happened because it was so quick like that and I said what the

hell happened nobody looks in them spinners right in the back of my head I put it right back in the noggin like

that and we did that we did that line through the hook technique to pop it out

and Schurz helps you pop that out just like nothing that was my first time man still remember this one when we were in

Mexico large mo fishing and right through weight through there where's the

camera right they threw I mean right luckily we got to cut that off we got to

cut the hook off and I pulled it right back out and then within less than a half an hour

later I stuck another one right into the thumb these were fish that were on crank basically stay flash around and I liked

that and then what luckily the one on the thumb I said and I did it again No and we were even afraid to look at it

but luckily the hook was about 90% of the bar but he hit the bone and it didn't go all the way through so that

was my second time I was two in a day and then Stephen have you got that other image that image that one right there on

our site right now that I didn't last year and that was a fish that a fish

that threw my crank bait at the side of the boat so the fish are still in the water fighting it through it and I kind

of put my hand up to him get out of the way or protect myself or whatever and bump right into the hand that sucker

wins so that was my my most recent one right there so so we get home trust me

we get the we get hooks in us every now and then yeah that's right otherwise not

like we're careless we're constantly if you were on a boat with us I think the best that you hear all day is is we

constantly tell each other to be careful when we're handling fish you know with a crankbait or something that's got a

couple of exposed treble hooks we're constantly trying to talk the other guy you know it do it through it through a

nice safe release and I always cringe when when we're at that moment of

putting a hand into a fish that's kind of a crank bait hanging off the side of it yeah we noticed that what answer is

talking about earlier about the top water bait he was using and I'm talking about crankcase tiny they're both treble

hook bass they both have two treble no chime that makes some real dangerous I mean no no bass any bait with towards

pre travels on it you've got to be careful with then it's inevitable you're gonna get lost you can't help yourself right but it's gonna be as careful as

you can so what are your stories those are good there's a bunch of sharing stories as well with each other I see

about your days of getting hook that's great while they look at them as well

now what do we got what are who got you in the fishing

what are you into fishing for me it all started after watching read Fisher

episodes wow that's awesome Wow well I know for me personally it I don't

recall who I can not I can honestly say that it was not it was not my father

although he played a very important role in my fishing career a little later on

but I I remember when I was like I'm

gonna say six five six seven years old I mean back then different times and I and

I basically lived on a creek our house was was I'm gonna say two bucks from

from the Austral Creek and so my whole upbringing was based around in and

around that that area whether it was the woods the the adjacent woods or the creek itself I spent my whole youth

mucking around and and chasing fish and back then we I don't even know what they

were I'm assuming they were probably carp but we had these great big fish that were in the Austral Creek all over

the place and I remember as a kid we'd go down there and just chase him around and lack of what sticks and in that kind

that's where my fascination of fishing started and obviously from there I got

into discovering it was more fun trying to catch them on a hook and a line but

that's kind of where started and it just happened because I was given the opportunity the circumstances were there

for me to to immerse myself in into that sort of outdoors thing which which is a

real travesty today because that's just not happening there's it's just not happening back then it was kind of

normal if you lived anywhere within walking distance of a waterway that's where you hung out as kids I wouldn't

yet and and today it's just not not not happening as far as who was instrumental

in getting me to where I am in my career today I keep tell them the story cuz I think it's really cool so so back I just told you I

was hanging around the asteroid Creek most of my life it is a point the problem is schooling got in the way of

that enjoyment far too often and so a lot of times I would take off from

school and hang out the creek and do some fishing and stuff so they knew pretty much where to find me when I wasn't in school and back then we had

nuns they were running the Catholic school system and by the way I hope

there's no nuns out there watching this but they're yeah man they are tough they're tough feet boy ruthless tough

nasty is the only way I can describe it but it was I had this nut called sister Mary Rosalia and sister Mary a coin

sister sister Thomas Aquinas there were a principal and vice-principal at Holy

Cross school and they of course would when I get brought back to the school

they would give me the finger wagging and the strap because that's what they did back that right and I remember so

distinctly sister Mary resilient one time saying viola how many times do I have to tell you you've never gonna make

a living from going fishing so stay in school that was her car and I always

think that's what it must have been spired me subconsciously to do what I do for a living did she call you by Ola the

organ back then they all come on your last name first name that is awesome i

conferred and i got in from my by my dad my dad grew up hunting and fishing his

whole life then looking way up in northern ontario a little town called Sleeman ontario and they were they were

poor believe it or not back and then he's probably a lot of people were so they used to live off the land he used

to do a lot of hunting to feed themselves fishing and all that kind of stuff they had a fur farm believe it or not so

they raised animals to sell the first so his dad I think my grandfather was I think it was a survey or something like

that but he also was a great hunter and a great fisherman up there they had to feed their like he had a hundred and ten

foxes at one time silver foxes they had feed every day so they had to you know get suckers and fish like that they

didn't have to feed these fish so my dad he grew up I got some stories man I'll tell you he's got some stories I can I

can blow your minds like they have pet deer when they were growing up that used to walk them to school every day and

then wait for them to get on a school and then walk home with him he had two pet bear cubs four for pets a black bear

and a brown bear and the black was real timid the brown bear was apparently quite the character and he my dad taught

it out of a box and that got him into trouble got the bear sent away actually so the stories like that but anyways

they had fishing in their life and that my dad I mean from the time I was born obviously he fished with his buddies and

then as soon as I showed you no interest in fishing that was it him and I were it

was game on and to this day I mean he still I just dropped him off some fishing magazines 91 years old right now

and and he's still loves fishing but that's how I got into it and I'm glad my

dad was a fishing guide because that instilled him to me big-time

it's great to get them back every once in a while I float oh yeah those are great because we're talking a little

memories aren't we here's one that that's really a great question

ken Randall wants to know when do you choose to use a bait casting outfit versus a spinning outfit and that's a

great question and they're there you know we're probably in between Pete and I will probably give you two totally

different answers because I really do believe it's subjective and meaning that that that we all were not machines right

we all do things slightly different and they'd cast and spinning is really

personal as far as I'm concerned I love big casting I would use bait cast me if

I could all I'd use it 90% of the times that I pick up a rod reel it would be a

big casting rod reel however having I said I would if I could

however that's not going to happen because a lot of the times although you can do

things like vertically jig with a baitcaster you can drop shot with a

baitcaster you can light mine with a bait cutting a worm under a dock with a

baitcaster but it's not the ideal way to do it a spinning is is a much more effective

tool spinning rod and reel much more effective tool to use under those conditions so so some of us like myself

you know we we sometimes catcher so I catch myself saying okay why are you picking up why are you putting eight

pound test line on this bait caster you know that that it would be much better

to use a spinning in this case but I just love using bait caster so sometimes I'll use it when I should but ideally

light light is the perfect spinning is a perfect tool to use heavier lines bait

casting is the perfect tool to use if you want to take that one step further

for me my thinking is light line vertical presentation spinning light

line horizontal presentation made cast heavy line for either vertical or

horizontal I would go to bait cast so that's me you know yeah I think you've pretty

awesome that up perfectly my I'll add to it for some numbers your just gives people that kind of my rule of thumb so

I like if I'm run an eight pound test or lighter it's on Bay casting or on

spinning I don't use it on a caster at all I like that that's for monofilament and for fluorocarbon for parade now it's

nice and thin I would say 15 maybe 20 pound you mean I'll run sometimes 20

pound on spinning but usually 15 or lower on spinning then that 10 pound range of any line can be done on either

one 10 pound on spinning you're starting to get a little bit heavier but you still do no problem in 10 pound break

and go on spinning very well I wouldn't use not bait casting drop but then then started the bay casting ice a 12-pound

and up for mono and fluorocarbon and then let's say over 20 pound so 30 pound

and up for braid on baitcaster that's what I kind of look at it those numbers like that so that light eight and under

it's kind of a system that I just come up with and I mean I look at one

specific of it when you when I said between 15 and maybe 20 pound braid braid on spinning I'm talking about a

normal size you know a thousand at 2500 size spinning reel nothing bigger than that so when you go in thirty pound on a

reel like that thirty pound braid it starts to get a little thick it's it's not as workable let's say so and it's

all trial and error but those are the numbers that basically I use for that but an just right the heavy a caster

light is spinning and and and the other main thing there is the vertical versus

horizontal presentations I just find although as I said before and I've done it you can you can certainly jig with

with pink a surprise you don't do vertical jigging with baitcaster just just as well but but spinning really is

designed for land so one thing it's it's a personal thing and getting on your

comfort level with each one of those outfits absolutely wants to know oh

that's it this is a pretty broad question that you have any tips for bass

pike and walleye Lake Temagami nice clean water very very clean water so you

got to keep that right off the bat into consideration alright so we did it we did show you as it'll show with the Roy

arms onto Mogami years ago yeah and you guys started in a smallmouth I think right and you guys drop sounded really

light line you know some small plastics on that one I believe right yeah there

are some areas of that lake that aren't clear right now I'm thinking the South

I'm gonna fight it for us I'm gonna find us right now you keep talking out and look it up I know you're talking about

East quadrant of tomography it's almost like a different Lake but it is all part of

the tomayto tomayto me is massive by the way but but from from mid point to the

far northern reaches of the lake Pete's right it's like tap water it's deep and

crystal clear but you get down into southern parts and especially over to the east you can get some some off

colored water and I see if there's a question being asked today about a preferential between state water and

clear water what do you prefer and in a perfect world I I always like to have

some sort of color whether it's tea stained or just just something other

than crystal-clear water I'm not a big fan unless it's early in the year and

you're fishing some of those big Midlake shawls that you'd have to say on a lake

simcoe for example where a show will top out it ten twelve feet and with crystal

clear water you can see the entire structure and it really gives you an opportunity to not have to visualize

what that structure looks like you could actually see it for real and and that's what I like about that but a little bit

of color a little bit of stain that water for me goes a long way so we'll often if given the option we'll run

around looking for something that's got a little bit of color not not completely you know colored but just enough just

enough to break the light little bit later as that Lake is called cross Lake number cross week

you know about that and we shot with Roland on that one no Roy Mike later on

but yeah that was the this you remember what happened there I won't say I won't

tell folks I'd hear you rubber feet and I've told you a million times that's cross lake so cross Lake is like

a little lake off the south end of Temagami so you can kind of work your way into a creek and then you can do a

whole new little lake and it's a critical body of water and like answer says very different clarity than the

main Licht Mogami so remember if you're going to if you're gonna hit two Mogami I mean cross like as an

option to but do my we just remember it's in that Clearwater you've got to go light lying on your small you know

that's six maybe eight pound test but six is probably a better number fluorocarbons better or light break with

a fluorocarbon leader and if you're gonna fish for walleye I'd highly recommend low light periods morning

really early in the morning evening and even after dark so you know that again gives you the advantage then and those

clear waters a lot of time the wall I won't feed until it's dark or low light so keep that kind of stuff in mind and

then you gives you could start anyway the other thing I remember about that Lake was that's where I first discovered

and that's and that's because of the clarity of that body water that's where

I first discovered that topwater baits aren't just meant for shallow water fishing oh yeah yeah episode on that

Lake the entire episode was shot in 40-plus feet of water and all we used

was topwater baits I believe so does on youtube on our eating Channel if I'm not mistaken if you remember what it was

no maybe Stephen can dig it up for us since this it's a rolling martin once Steven Hanson and Roland Martin I don't

think it's hard to find but we'll look it up as we're talkin here but I think what I'm going to do I'm not mistaken and it's a great it's an oldie but what

a great experience that was for me personally that's when I first like I said discovered that hey topwater baits

aren't just shallow water mates they work in deep and we were calling these fish up from 40 45 feet

it was fantastic so but that's all because of the water clarity obviously if you've got any stain to water at all

that it very seldom is that gonna work but there depends on the forage base of

a lake another one we've mentioned earlier hasty lake for for bass it's got

a Cisco bass in it a note that 30 foot walk 30 foot of water you are constantly

seeing smallmouth busting the surface smashing through these Cisco's that are coming up on that close to there because

they're they're above the fin above the suami so they're there and there's Mulligan down here their cause

can rid up the service from 30 feet of water smashing these so that's why if you can get on a top water bike it works

good but it just shows you that these fish are not afraid to come from 30 up is zero and then back down again

our good friend Jim Grayson has a cottage on that leg right yep doesn't much but we're gonna get a moat more you

know yeah okay speaking of old episodes Paul Madison wants to know or he says

this afternoon I joined your walleye on the rocks episode 422 show could you

tell me the type and size of jerk baits jerk baits and colors that you guys were ripping them up with that was that was

we were up at Paschal egg cabins I think on that John that strip and we were actually you know what here yeah I'm

pretty sure that's the one right there killer wasn't and that color right there

too so and we were that we were all set to go with the with the usual jig and

middle dig a live bait but then these fish got up real quick found these fish real shallow on a rocky point and what's

that Ottoman link or otterly yeah it's not like that yeah yeah exactly

and these yellow and they were mixed in with white but there was some nice walleye in there I'm talking about some

big walleye sitting there not on that point I got the point came up you know really shallow shallow flat and went out

to deep water that and when they were up on that shallow stuff we thought okay

the jig's aren't working as we're snagging in the rocks all the time so we're gonna get something that stays above the rock if something's been

active when we started throwing these dirtbags know that's rapid one I think the the other one was a hostage jerk I think and and man did we start clock and

walleye but those things and that was that coloration showed you that orange bright orange and you know something

really bright and flashy pop it really hard braided line on that popular really hard I don't think they ran leaders who

might have diggers I'm I'm not sure because we're just after a wall I'm not quite there but we really went after that aggressive

bite on those wall and they were right up on the rocks and I mean I'm talking some of them were two feet two and three co-equal water these were five and six

pound wildlife it was mayhem it was it was a lot of fun and then later that day those fish actually moved off now I

don't know if we've moved them off as we caught so many because it was crazy and it was a very small spot or they just

moved with the progression of the day but then afterwards we had to go fish off the break and then the jig and minnow started to work a little better

but up until then that jerk pay goes out grabs the Huskies were they were killing it and just pop it and pause pocket and

pause and just really get that aggressive bite going because well I I'll tell you something people think

that walleye are lethargic them from the most part they are on the Arctic fish but I'll tell you what they're one of

the most aggressive biters and hitters in the whole lake like they're they'll do a Pike if there's side by side action

and then while I want to be a little places faster and he's he's nasty so did

that mind do you remember where we first discovered that that presentation by the

way throwing jerk baits up on top like six inches of water on boulders it's not

away from Manitoba somewhere that's it with God sandy beardy yeah

yeah you're right flew into that remote little lake yeah and not on to that that clump of rocks

for them below that that water it was like insanity yeah yeah shallow water

right yeah did you see all the rocks

yeah so by the way I just want to acknowledge me that we just got a really

nice message there from Colin McEwan who's on there those of you with us

today the new fly fisher we haven't talked about fly-fishing here because as you know Pete and I would probably

strangle ourselves we ever tried doing a fly-fishing so fantastic to fish if you

ever want to find out about fly-fishing or or better yet if you're one

expose yourself to it and see if it might be for you the new fly fisher is an incredible production that that you

have to absolutely check out it's outstanding and Colin just piped in is thanks for the many years of fantastic

production and it's reciprocal Colin thank you thank you very much we some

time with Colin at hotcake Lodge couple years run into each other on the road

that's pretty cool the TV guys it's usually a total shock to everybody what

it happens but yeah yeah yeah it's really good it's not like everybody it's

not like a war out there between us either you know pretty good with each other so so one more question from here

and then we'll move on the the last question we're going to answer from last week's show is Nathan Spears wants to

know he was just wondering what model of Princecraft boat do we run like that

they all run go also what trolling motor

are you running with and how do you keep from draining your battery life on it

now this is cool I'm glad you asked first of all the boat that we have been

running for about four years now we actually built we started with a Princecraft hull and it was an

expedition 200 it was the first year of the expedition series Princecraft put

out the fall prior to them releasing that boat we had an opportunity to fish out of one and Pete and I both

absolutely fell in love with the haul I mean the hull was just a monster 20 foot

boat that was nimble and light on his toes just like a little 12 foot boat but had the size and girth and weight to be

able to manage really really rough water and so we thought man if we could take this hall and and build it into the

ultimate boat that we've always wanted we'd have the it'll be it'll be the best so we did the following year we got a

bear haul from Prince craft and we commissioned a metalworker guy who does

aluminum fabrication for motorcycles and that kind of thing a buddy of mine and we asked him if he could help us build

this new boat and we did and it's been you know in our family ever since and

it's probably the most important and valuable tool that we have it's an

incredible incredible boat and if you haven't seen it the last three or four years of production fishing canada

production has featured that bow in fact we even did an episode on building it which was very cool it was called the

ultimate fishing machine yeah milla belong the archives as well and it it

was great but but it gave us an opportunity to really spread our wings you know we have an opportunity to

experiment we're not boat builders but we know what we like and we know through the years what works so it gave us an

opportunity to really dwell into this whole other world that was very cool we got into not just

boat design but we got into all kinds of new little pieces of technology that we

were able to build it to the boat and one of the things we we got into was lithium batteries and and the reason I

bring that up because you're asking us how do you how do you not drain how do you keep your trolling motor from not

draining the battery life while in our case we just put more battery in 336

volt batteries lithium probes and we're able to do that because the lithium's we

less than a quarter actually 20% of its equivalent conventional lead acid

batteries that's all that is not affordable for the average person that there's not one person watching this

thing that would put three 36 volumes in their boats let's be honest right how much would that he and the retail value

American about $13,000 yes there's nothing that would put that on any

batteries in there okay let's be honest I'm so fine you got the trolling motor

reuses the next night by a motor guy there's just by the way on that one it's still got the shaft length that we need

for that books the front of that board is really high so we need that 60 inch shaft on that and one of the you're

asking about the battery drain etc etc one of the things we do is we put our garments to sleep now all the time so

when we're fishing for an extended amount of time you know push your power button on your Garmin and then you can

see it says sleep mode or I think it's sleep mode and by doing that it's just down all the inner workings of each fish

trainer so you're working up front we got two in our - and one on the front we'll turn the two on sleep in the - and

then start the motor back up and then turn it back on afterwards and that makes a big difference on saving battery

- now that's not in a deep cycle side of battery but but it is a great tip to

help you not wear down your cranking batteries that's for sure so that's a

Doug Doug asking is that a fancy one absolutely that's a fancy one that's

what we call her the other thing about trolling motors the Pete just mentioned and this is really critical Alvey most

people spend enough time on this part your distance from the battery to the

trolling motor is very important obviously the closer you can get it the better the problem with putting it your

battery up front though depending on the configuration and the size of your boat sometimes it'll make the boat a little

nose heavy so moving that battery a little farther back down I mean ideally

at the back of the boat but just by moving it down a little bit farther in the midsection of the boat will improve

performance but but if you don't have the right gauge of wiring to run that

that extra length then you'll get more battery drain we use what do we got on that boat now six gauge people I think

it's six it's like you know a half-inch rope yeah it's better

very heavy wiring right so your app you're refusing these trolling motors in a minimum of 40 amps so 40 to 50 amp

fuses so if you look up any AWG an American wire gauge you're gonna find

out the ratings are the wires versus you know the draw the amperage whatever and

number six or number eight is usually a pretty good number but six is good for

if you can do it I mean it's getting big now but but the bigger the wire the more

efficient your any electrical will work that's why yeah when your wiring up a

house you know you gotta run fourteen but if you're running in heating circuits you run number twelve wherever

that's the draw then it just is better when extension cords you get a 100-foot extension cord

when number twenty-two wire ain't gonna work for the man compared to a number twelve wire let's say so the bigger the

wire smaller the number it's more efficient and then it becomes a

balancing act because if you're a performance not you know weight as everything in the boat right so so the

lighter the less weight you can carry the better your performance so now think of what people just said you know in

some cases four gauge wiring would be would be ideal because you you're

running it's a it the length of a 22 foot Hall you've got your battery at the back your motor at the front

you totally work the front and that's that's a long stretch so if you're using four gauge wire that would be much more

efficient in terms of getting energy from the battery to the trolling motor without wasting any so your battery

would last longer the problem with that is that if you're using a run that log of a four gauge wire you're probably

adding another twenty five pounds away to the boat say that right you gotta find a happy medium

just enough player without adding too much weight to the hull and actually hindering your performance so it's it's

a constant battle and beat won't will will agree where we're constantly struggling with with our performance

weight wise right trying to try to get as much weight off the haul as we

possibly can to get optimum performance and by the way Optima performance is not just about speed

although guilty speed is what I do why I've been to it but also for a fuel

efficiency it's amazing you know how a hundred pounds you know boat will change

the dynamics the personality of your fuel curve completely so those are things that you have to keep in mind and

one more thing when these let's say a bass boat even though princecraft's now the fishing

boats never everything even aluminum boats are designed they take in they

take in the weight of the batteries so they sell that boat without batteries in

it but they know those batteries are going to go on it now for the most part they're gonna be LED batteries and they

know if it's a 36 volt rollin already got three lead batteries plus your crank are in there so they use that weight in

their calculations so they make that boat maybe perform not as perfect as it can when it's empty you add that extra one hundred and

something pounds in there and that makes the boat perform perfectly so they use that the weight of the batteries as part

of the calculation just remember that we're getting some pretty interesting comments of course we've got the clown

on Jack some verses on now so anything could happen let's beware that okay so

that's it hopefully we've answered enough of those we're gonna get to next week we'll answer all the questions that

are on the side board now but there are a couple of things we wanted to touch on today before we sign off Pete you wanted

to do that type thing that they I know researchers with our crack research team

went into the right hands so you're trying to say on early-season

pipe so that first week or two of the season ice out right now it's going to

open in the Bay of Quinte if you get to fish it this weekend coming up it's

already been open unzila 17 will say in ontario for since the ice has been gone

because there's no closed season they change that around so this is all about when they say early season plate

presentations this is about stuff that we and I have used in the

has to get numbers of fish and oftentimes big fish into the boats I wanted to go over that kind of I think

we'll do this every week we'll take a web piece maybe that whoever else wants to if you want to write and say yeah

let's go over that let's go over that give us an idea there was we'll pick one and keep going with it we're gonna try and keep it to seasonal two so the pike

being opening up right now soon so we'll go down first so so that's what we're

gonna do here we'll go over this presentation so steve is gonna hopefully put us through scroll us down a little

bit right there and as you see that right hello Angelo are you there he's not here

that little bait right there we all know a Memphis spinner I know and look he's

smiling smirking already at that I'm gonna read you get me deep first that is

probably my my number one go-to in

Coldwater when all else fails so when all the big

stuff that some guys are throwing all the medium stuff that sometimes is throwing when you throw that right there

buddy and it's not getting bit at all I can guarantee you I can guarantee you

don't let me interrupt you good luck with that bait right there on ice out

and in anything in the negative post bond period okay that's what I'm saying

this this is articles about so an eps number three is a great all-around that everybody control because remember and

you and your Bobby Dazzler boat and your big eight-foot 8-foot bait casting rod

with the expense of $300 ah you're not the guy that's thrown baked with a six and a half foot medium and spinning rod

you can't throw that big stuff for that right this is these things are written for everybody you know what I mean so

ungai can downgrade to that but some people can't throw those big baits so that's why we chose a mess nothing hey

guys I gotta tell you who I am bust the beat you don't want right because normally it's a collaboration when we do

these these when we when these top five things but it's a it's a team effort

we fire this particular one I was probably away and it just appeared and so I was a

little bit surprised at some of Pete's selection selections and so I let him

have it that's all I'd like you to question me on all these because I'll guarantee okay that one there you got to

give me some negativity to the naps number three you go ahead or an in line we'll call that no no no listen I've got

the only thing laughs forget is the fact that I don't think I've ever seen you

use one of those in that particular size that particular color I'm a box full of

them but okay that color silver for sunshine yes red and white the old

classic red and whites like that I use all the time and the reason we did that the reason I discovered it wasn't

because of me because Reno and I were way up in Saskatchewan one time and we could not get bit on the big stuff ever

this was 20 years ago sorry to interrupt you but somebody asked about Reno maybe

you just want to they just asked how he's doing it where's what's he up to and you just brought his name up so film

in so real and I fishing Saskatchewan we couldn't get bit with anything so the

guys told us to try this maps number three said get out of here try the maps number three boom Reno got

a twenty pound plate and an F number three so I said okay I'm my name is chief but not stupid so we kept I kept

using that room from up until right now I still use it so Reno is doing well Reno is doing well he had another issue

I think did he have a heart attack ants or was it walking it yeah he had

some kind of blockage recently another couple of students put in but he's no right keeps on like the Energizer Bunny

just keeps on ticking he's and we call him the ring machine as he was being read so okay that's right

run that trick that little spinner trick now it's not my it's not the only bait I'll use obviously out there but when it

comes pushed ups the song show that is a good one and if you don't believe it if you're like Anton little bit cynical

maybe out there like this bring a little inline spinner with you and throw that when nothing else is like and you'll

guess you don't know just just to go back to that for a moment Pete you and I have discussed this so

many times there were so many baits when we were growing up in the industry so

many of the old baits that worked so well I mean the MEPS inline spinner is just one of them the

the spoon the daredevil spoon the the crazy crawler for bass fishermen the

hoola popper all of these old baits that worked I mean they were money in the bank baits and then all of a sudden for

some bizarre reason we all stopped using them they were working great but we all stopped using and went on to

all of the new-age plastic baits and and hollow body baits and all this stuff and we kind of forgot

about those great traditional base and the the map spinner is one of them you

can't beat it for any situation I defy anybody to not find a fishing situation

that a maps the inline spinner won't catch fish on Laurie Laurie winters is

my hubby loves throw a yellow number three blue fox and the pike go nuts on any time so no blue flats are we good

another good eight company that makes him great spinner right I think Bob

racks I think is the Viper X which is a very cool spinner - so next one is the

suspending middle bait no that's a husky jerk up there Huskies weren't great and

in almost all situations I think I said number 12 four and three-quarter inches

5 inches max again we're looking for these lethargic Coldwater fish early in the

year so that you know a suspending little bait small in natural colors subtle colors will kick the butt of any

especially post bond pike you put those long pauses in there the key to a small

minnow be like that it's suspending the weight is the leader that you choose you have to have a leader you're fishing

Pike you can't run ten pound through our carbon straits so you have to so you want to go as thin leaders possibly can

on something like that and you don't really need swivels on your leaders you

just basically need to snap and then maybe a swivel on the one on your line and let go as light as you can on the

leader so like twelve or fourteen or eighteen pound test nylon or seven

strand or single strand whatever let go light as you can tease one make sure that that they suspends properly when

you're throwing that for early pike and lots of slow jerks Impossibles

really slow and then a pause you know five seconds sometimes cut some giants

Georgian Bay because some giants doing that so it's a great day either way Pete we just got busted Reno

says don't let facts get in the way of a good story boys want to fish with him

again soon that was so much fun so the reason that I was laughing at Peter him

and I we have a different philosophy when it comes to early season pike

fishing so he just said all those basically he referred to there's more to compliment I'll just interject her for

moment all those baits that he's talking about are great baits for lethargic fish and and and we use those beasts he said

when we're looking for lethargic fish well the truth of the matter is we're never looking for lethargic fish we

prefer not that the fish lethargic fish we prefer doubt the fish fish that are bang on and they're gonna jump on our

baits and that's where I like to throw these babies okay I when you are faced

with those tough conditions the bait speed star

but we'll do but we try and avoid those if we can how's that be there I'll show

you let's get big yes yeah I got better

than that way buddy that's what I'm

talking about and here's why here's why those baits work early near right after ISO so what happens is the

spawn is done these fish have dropped back but they're there at the probably the lowest point in their annual cycle

in terms of health they're beat up they've exerted every last ounce of

energy and they're just sitting at the usually at the first drop from from an

incoming flow of water because generally the base adjacent to that is where those pike were spawning the ice is now gone

and everything that was in that Creek during that winter period Crete chub

suckers which also were up there spawning at one point well all the carcasses of any damaged fish come

tumbling down off of that first drop at the mouth of that river or Creek and

those big pike are just laying it they don't want to move they want a great big nasty looking chunk of meat coming down

towards them and they'll generally bite and that's why I believe baits like this big baits like Pete was just hooking up

if presented properly to those fish is it sane even using a live bait big creep

chubs on a quick strike rig that time of year is magic so we would

prefer not to have to use those little spinners and the little spoons but unfortunately a lot of times when we're

out there and you're out there you have to do what you got to do so that's why I was laughing Pete

I remember remember that scarbacks shoot that I didn't yeah that was post bond

pike in the old alma region and great little lake little flying lake and those

fish were so lethargic there and I got a couple that were hammers they were like

25 pounders probably but I had to resort to lessons just said my babe believe it

or not they would not hit the big stuff they would not even touch the small stuff and they would barely touch the Live

chubs or whatever I was using I wasn't they're a good size bait live bait under a slip float I really had to work for

those big fish I mean I literally had to have that dangling in front of them and even if the minnow was alive and moving

a little wee bit I had to I had to give them the flow to pool every now and then just to move that bait and then finally

they trigger fish that scar back that one fish and I think that's on her YouTube site - that fish it took me all day to catch

that one fish I knew where it was I went back I went back and went back he would not touch she would not touch anything

in the artificial Department and it wouldn't even touch these live minnows until finally I just did the right

twitch in front of her nose and she made it so they didn't yet that's a 20 you know a 20 pound 25 pound pike

that's an absolute eating machine on most days but this was after the spawn and that tells you how finicky they can

be by the way that that was one of the best fishing programmed episodes I've

ever seen in my life if I do say so I was well produced was fun it was a cool

show by the way we got some trash talk going on here I don't know whether you had a chance to look what's happening

here somebody somebody asked if Reno was ever going to come back on the show and we didn't answer it and then Reno says

they can't handle the heat Calvin the hell's that all about

viola number two we can handle anything you can throw at us pal okay twenty years with you in the field we can

handle anything I want to see you and him do you and ang together on that on the show that would be epic pony I

really think that would be like the ultimate break there I didn't bring back such good memories you guys bickering

back and forth with each other competing with each other I thought about you two fishing the other day you know it will

attest this and that and how different styles it was yesterday I was driving I

don't know why I got in my head about the old tournament days and and how you guys worked well together because

such different styles of fishing so Reno was this guy that would throw us in a bit well throw anything that could go

100 mile an hour that's what we know what's wrong he just throw his spinner bait he throw it anything that would could be work fast and he would pick off

all the fast fish and they didn't want to bike that and to throw a plastic worm and you catch the rest of

them so you guys have actually have a good little system going on any of you realize what you're doing but it was such a and there it shows two

personalities Reno's they can always go go go go go you're kind of trying to think things own like that so it was a I

don't know what brought my mind about but it's just yesterday I believe it so we had some good times somebody wants to

know I'd love to see a couple of reunion episodes where Reno our PHP and Reno get

together sitting around telling stories of episodes past then showing the corresponding clips that would be

absolutely oh we got some i'll believe me we've got some good story

red-and-white there's a daredevil we'll see so there's a lot of there's a lot of people that still know what the boos

were under article as one of them I don't know what order they were in in that article but and I know you're gonna

agree with me on that that a spoon is like without a doubt I mean this guy right here in a variety of sizes is

killer on most pike lakes most pike rivers in most pike situations this is a small

daredevil but they come in all sizes between this one and a five or diamonds the yellow with the red diamonds you

pretty much can't go wrong with those four pike the size would be the only thing that you didn't even retrieve I

think the key to a spoon is it's slow right he's comes in boom boom boom like

that it's just got a nice slow rhythm to it you can keep off the bottom and and

there's something triggering to that to that date that I don't I don't get it I don't know why and it's just basic lure

but that is I mean the Daredevils been around for 30 years and East I thirty

eopns were started in the late 1800s okay so hundred years now self that

red-and-white is that been like yeah that's that's it and you know how many times have I said to you you know what

we're using them cliche what in the hell makes this thing work because it's not

yes you can look at both of those foods that Pete just talked about the daredevil and the five of diamonds right

there's the five of diamonds and you say okay well obviously the five of diamonds it works because it's it's a gaudy

looking thing and it's got you know some red spots on it and it's you know bright

and of course well try throwing something other than a five of diamonds

in those lakes of that Pete was mentioning you know especially the northern reaches of Canada try throwing

an imitation private Dinah's try throwing an imitation daredevil spoon

let's see how you may go you don't pretty weird it it's pretty weird okay

I'll give you another another color tip that we didn't add in there Len tops and this came from Ray Cole Russ ray our

buddy in Alberta and he put us onto these guys wear that color spoon right

there yeah and these are Lin Thompson's different sizes number two there's a

number zero number two he swears by that in Alberta for big Pike and we started

using these knives here too and that color doesn't work pretty good now it's got a glow to it's gonna it's something totally different than the red

and white it's totally different than the yellow and red so if those don't aren't working then maybe you know some

kind of a trigger effect that the glow was working or green or something like that so it's always good to have a variety of colors and change around so

that's sort of a newer color that's out and it seemed to be working well too so but they work and that goes back to my

surly you're on about some of the old baits that we used to use and catch fish with that people don't use anymore those

are those are two classic examples that Pete just mentioned you know you also

and this you know is up for debate some people will tell you that just a split

ring on those baits is the way to go though some people will tell you you have to have a ball bearing swivel

some people will tell you that cross lock is the way to go and so the jury's out on on all any of those three but for

sure you have to have something on there you can't just do a direct tie on those

spoons you have to have some sort of a ring or a snap or a swivel to make it

really really work well that wobble that we keep talking even though I got a shot at what angels talking about if the

order this were Stevie hello Steven hi Steve to bed this room so what answer is

talking about is if you were to tie direct to that you're tying right on

angled mother listen I needed your ease and angle metal you'll cut your line in an instant so normally with pike fishing

you're fishing with a leader anyways but you need at least a split ring so all these come without a split ring in them

because they allow you to do a snap or put a leader or whatever you want to go you can add a split ring if you want you

can not tie direct to that obviously the spoon is it'll slice your line like crazy so the other thing about a spoon

the action of it it's normally do two to two than that but it does spin around it

does turn so that's why you want to use a swivel it swivels are an absolute necessity on a spinner because that

blade turns but also the whole body that turns spoons do the same thing and

increased line twists so that's why a lot of times on a leader you run leader with a swivel on your leader and a snap

and then we'll stop lying twists and allows the bait to really spin nice and gentle true by the way

Reno says he's the better looking of the - that's interesting I've always thought but he's never said

that before

foolish couple more the finish off a list of buzz bait that Kabat Ron right there this this is right here

damn it Ron buzz bait a buzzbait is a great reaction lure early in the year

but only only if the weather permits only if the water temperatures come up

with two or three degrees that day the afternoons I never tied them on in the morning of a pike fish in

the early Coldwater period but come afternoon when the Sun is gone and the reason we like to use Busby's angela

testa this one too is the strike on a buzzbait is like no other from a pike when they hit that thing it is the most

fun type of fishing you will ever get hit so they just dig gorillas from they come break from behind it and they just

smash it so a buzzbait is a good choice big bass buzz bass are perfect for for

these early pike in warmer days let's say so okay so now that you're finished

with are you finished I don't know more you let me to be finished no no I'm just

askin and now I'm going to take my five minutes worth and talk about using tubes for pike but only when you're done I

want to hear it right now so what comes to mind for me is a trip we made to a

place called pim island out of Cochrane Ontario do you remember oh yeah

and we started and it was I think I had

just gone out we got incredibly perfect conditions for a change no clouds

beautiful warm weather the water started warming the shallows were on fire and it

was pike everywhere and we started throwing tubes gigantic tubes that were designed primarily for muskie fishermen

but this one in particular made by water wall floors in Deseret Oh Michael oh

yeah a small little company that hand pours all this stuff in des rano and it

is absolutely outstanding when the pike are on when they're active like they

were on that episode up in Island I don't think there is a better pike bait

anywhere on that trip you're absolutely right that we could not find a better

performing bait than that big old tube and we that's the one you had the piece

of wood in there to to make it flow right or help it back a little bit yeah exactly spending quality you have a really slow

drop it was like it and it did but the conditions were right

for it for sure but it works so well and it goes in keeping with what I said earlier on those those fish are lucky

for those chunks of sucker and charm and decaying remnants of fish that were

under the ice just a few days ago that are now tumbling down into their into their space and this looks just like one

of those things man and they just annihilated it so tubes can be really good for pets as well and there's not a

lot of people that throw that bait either right that's the thing about when you start getting into the more southerly areas of Canada and the more

pressured areas then you're trying to look for bass that are different than what everybody else is throwing right so

a spoon is a very popular bait a spinners are very popular bait these fish can get a custom to those kind of

bass so a big giant tube like that the advantage to that as well as there's not very many people throwing that kind of

stuff right and that's a smaller mic makes bigger ones than that even he makes me shine so there's like oh my god

the stuff he's doing his website you gotta go check it out water wolf and it's he's got some crazy the sheds no

bows he's got some beautiful baits I'll tell you that for sure and they and they catch fish in the right situations pike

and he's based it on pike and muskie more muskie but the pike will hit these things - so what's Kelly what's the best

time to use a stayer bug stinger hooks look at that when when is the best time

any time you can put a stinger hook on and it does not impede the action of the bait is a good time to have a stinger up

as far as I can sir obviously a spinner baits you know pretty much I would say

any situation that you throw in a spinner bait buzzbaits Pete showed you that that big caveat Ron

buzz made a few moments ago stinger hooks on the back of them wouldn't hurt you in essence a stinger hook is a

little bit of insurance especially on a short striking fish fish that are missing your bait a stinger hook is that

that that difference-maker a lot of cases but you know they were primarily designed originally when we first

started using it moves it was strictly a spinner bait thing but now you can buy a little wee tiny treble stinger

that you can actually put on jigs when your jig fishing whether you're using a grub or a tube or even live minnows you

can put a little tiny treble Stinger on the back of your bait so it's insurance it's and it's also a great confidence

builder if you're unsure of your ability to set a hook on a fish and you're

missing fish a lot putting a stinger hook kind of helps with that confidence thing and as I've said a million times

confidence equals success success equals confidence confidence back to success so

it's a it's an ever moving target with that so Calvin on that just answer it

quickly a kind of a rule of thumb again we'll go to Angelo's both those instances he talked about the spinner

bait we will start with the stinger hook on it after all possible let's just really weedy and we might have to stay

away from it but small mote always on the spinner bait large mode if you can

put one on and work it properly absolutely without the weeds and all that so we'll start with a trailer hook on a spinner bait the opposite end when

he's done jigs we're up north on walleye and even on live bait sometimes I'm on a

jig and minnow a lot of times they're just grabbing the minnow and you're missing fish we always start with odo Stinger hook when we're fishing that

situation if you're missing fish you add this thing hook on and then you'll start pecking on fish so that's kind of a rule

of thumb to do yes even make sure you make a note of anything that we're answering from today's questions make

sure that we don't cover it next week as well I would not be very fair somebody wants

to know Mike Boyd wants to know what's your preference for getting baits into

deeper strike zones without the use of down riggers nice control depth machine

without using the ultimate control depth unit which is a Down rigger art by one

of my favorites of all time for this is for Lakes Road I don't know learning they are some small Lake Lake

trollee and you get a little bit thinner boat that you're out there the olds three waist level rings so I don't know

if you've ever seen that you know we all know what a three-way struggle is to get the three rings on this level so you tie

your mainline to one of the Rings in the swivel you tie a motor three floor leading to your lure off of

another part of the swivel another third one you have a dropper line with about eight you know six eight ten ounces and

weight so you need a heavy bait caster rod for that but if you do that you can literally you'll have an almost vertical

angle you want a vertical angle but you can be an eighty feet of water and you can literally thump that with your spool

of your bait caster open ready to drop you can literally dump that six or eight ounce weight off the bottom at about a

mile and a half you know my last week we're an hour and that Bay the the lure then the sinker hits the bottom and the

lure stays about you know two feet up off the bottom wherever your lead is from the three way to your weight it's

better to draw this out but I hopefully I'm painting a picture about that a great way a very inexpensive way three

waist-level a heavy six eight ounce weight something like that maybe even bigger and I'll lead going to your lure and it's great

for trolling deep and it's cheap you know support together by the way the king of that presentation is Islam with

us and that's big brother Reno nobody can dig up lake trout in ninety

feet of water like he can without you and three ways set up like Pete just

mentioned is one of his favorites Dipsy right I'm sorry if seas are good too

but they get down there it's often overlooked because we think it's one-dimensional and that is a variation

of a Carolina rig if you're back trolling in deep water and you don't

want to tie on a three-way swivel with all that back gear a Carolina rig with

enough weight to get you down is another good way to get down to those depths obviously obviously the key there to any

of those if you're not using a Down rigger is speed you've got to slow down that presentation to almost a crawl if

you're moving in a trolling fashion tim-tim Spurgeon also asked did you not use line snap

ways recently yeah and that Bay of Quinte episode we do that all the time as well especially when you don't have

to get real deep but you got to get a little bit deeper a snap wait is basically is a wait with a little

snapper on it and you just snap it on your line you let are certain amount of line you snap it on your line and it'll just

bring it down that much deeper you know you can go normally it's like 3/4 of an ounce as a small 1 1 ounce on some half

2 ounces 3 ounces sometimes but it's it's good for trolling snap on your line

50 feet they say ahead of your lure and then drop it out enough your lure drive normally runs at 15 to 20 it's now gonna

run a 20 to 25 or deeper depending on how long that line you don't how heavy away to get on that will see a snap the

weight onto your line let it out when you bring in the fish in or you're lying in obviously once you bring that you're

really and into the snap wait just snap it off and then reel the rest of them in either efficient over so they're great -

it's good for control depth play around the weights and it's a really good it was designed for them by the walleye

guys I'm sure other people use it too but the walleye guys really get really good with the snap weights and the

ultimate way to get down to deep water fish I'm talking deep water fish is a

heavy drop shot but we used one last

year should be a fun day for stripers and a pound pound and a half they were

using like answered Nick we're using gigantic spinning like the great what spinning rods or something like that but

heavy doing 6,000 size reels or something like that with heavy brain it's like oh my god and all they can do

is a lob cast you couldn't even cast very much so it was so heavy and then there and the

current there that Bay of Fundy tide I think it was learning between 3 and 5 miles an hour or something silly like

that it was like I mean the anchor wouldn't all we had we had to modify our anchor to hold our boat and that stuff

so that's where that heavy weight came in handy so very cool that was that was

Oh fun that was fun I gotta get out doing that again for sure so I think that's it for the questions

today we got a ton of questions for next week so that's great don't be discouraged and we didn't get to yours

today are you a this week is it Friday already

so what's gonna happen for those of you just joining us for the first time we're gonna we're gonna do this twice a week

Tuesdays are going to be q and A's and Friday we're gonna try and get the

episodes kind of themed so we'll probably have a special guest on hey why don't we why don't we see if Rena wants

to come on be the best so let's do that will will the Friday sessions are gonna

usually involve a guest and but but themed so we might have a bass coming up

for bass season opening we might have a whole two or three hours of nothing but bass fishing we might have a tournament

episode we might have you know we'll come up with guests we're going to try

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Oh Dorothy Gale says yes Reno yes she was Reno boy you know we might have to

look at resurrecting that doesn't that

old body of his might have to come out of retirement well this is good for him because you can stay at home hey guys I

play ok perfect we're gonna try and get

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that's great so uh we'll catch up with you guys how about Friday God willing

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