Urban Fishing at its Finest | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 140

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Outdoor Adventures hey everybody we're live uh we're live Welcome to The Outdoor Journal Radio podcast on the
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Outdoor Journal Radio podcast Network and we are this is basically what we call to the people that are sitting here
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in front of us uh an on the road again experience so we do these uh basically
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we do these podcasts from on location we try to do a podcast a week uh at home if
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we're not home this stint is going to be a three-week stint for us in the east coast of Canada and so we have to do
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three podcasts basically out on the road that so this is going to be one of them right here and we are at minnow how
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what's the name of the minnow tackle shop minnow tackle shop okay in frederickton New Brunswick that voice
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you just heard there I'm going to try and get this right was Pierre
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olier BL yeah that sounds about right BL how do you say it say say it right
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fly in French like that don't worry about the that's pretty
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good wait no I I
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we went into the coffee shop we're driving through uh uh from Ontario to nebr obviously we have to go through
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Quebec so we have to go through Quebec so we go to Quebec and we've always had a hard time ordering even something as
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simple as coffees so uh and this experience was great because they spoke fantastic English they welcomed us with
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open arms and all the Tim Hortons but we went into one and we I said to Stevie I says Stevie try to order your coffee in
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French for us please and so how did you do it well I I grew up in Ontario so I took French in public school right from
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you know grade one to grade eight so I felt that I did a pretty good job you did a great job I
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said Noir Cafe and and Peter somebody said how big
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do you want it I said pry p and I got small I got a small black
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coffee oh she was laughing at it she thought that was the greatest thing in the world right so that's right anyways
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as people can tell uh that are listening or watching we are in frederickton New
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Brunswick and we we come to Du Bruns it quite a bit um and for the fishing Canada show and for Obviously good
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reasons the fishing here is absolutely amazing the people here are absolutely amazing everything is a plus when you come here so um and what we did in this
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in this we're on a three shoot trip so this one is New Brunswick we're going to
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novv Scotia then we're coming back to New Brunswick on this shoot on this one right here in no Bron we wanted to do a
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do do a multi-species shoot and uh and that we thought let's try and do as many
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as we can it's going to be a a tall task because our show is basically broken up into three or four blocks and if we have
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four or five or six species we don't even know how to how we're going to edit this thing but but the thing we wanted to do was large mouth bass small mouth
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bass musky striper and a sturgeon and so
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far uh with the help of Pierre we got the sturgeon done the Smallmouth done
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and the stripers done so far and we're we got a day left to try and get musky
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and large M I don't know if we're going to get them both or not but that's our plan so maybe Pierre you can tell
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everybody kind of what we did um you know from start to finish we started on the sturgeon so let's start with the
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sturgeon stuff yes basically Pete we basically started down in frederickton and popular spot for sturgeon um right
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in the morning first speci it didn't it didn't take us too too long to get their first not at all all but then after that after
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we got our two sturgeon we got one decent size one then right to start and then second one was a little smaller but still a beautiful fish it took longer to
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teach Nick not to set the hook on a circle hook than it did to catch the sturgeon he really
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did or him to not move the rod when and him to not move the rod is anybody have
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everybody here sturgeon fish has everybody tried it it's quite a it's quite a little different setup than uh
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casting for Bass and setting the hook and stuff like that right so yeah go ahead there so but yeah yeah got our
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sturgeon then after that we hit some smallies and we tried a few spots was pretty good we had a pretty good day actually quick the smalles were quick we
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got on to them on those Little Rock piles and there's all kind of Little Rock piles in the river and uh and uh
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one of the little tips we can give you you're fish if you're fishing these Little Rock piles Rock weed piles what happen it's a typical pattern on any
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body of water if the rock pile is sitting this way front and back and the river flowing this way usually that
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front tip of the rock pile is where you're going to get most of your fish you throw that first your cast right to that front of that little thing especially if there's weeds on it it
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didn't matter if we threw a crankbait to it threw a worm to it threw a jerk bait to it if you got close to that weed we
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got cracked real quick yeah they they were on that day and then uh yeah second day we tried for MOSI right in the
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morning I mean we've marked a few I think you guys had a a little bit of a follow there on we had one so we're running live scope right now and well
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Stevie you can tell that one you can tell our story while the Liv scope is um is is an amazing technology and for
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those of you who don't know exactly what Liv scope is there's the older technology which is your traditional
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sonar and that sonar basically as your your page Scrolls you're looking at the
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past so those fish and those hooks that are scrolling across your screen happened back there the Liv scope is a
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forward-facing sonar that gives you a picture of what's happening in real time
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so what we were doing we turned and and we have the luxury to have uh two
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separate units on uh on the boat with two transducers we turned them backwards so
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that when we were trolling for our uh trolling for muskies there's no more line counters you don't need line
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counters anymore because we can throw those musky baits out in the back on the side and watch those baits behind the
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boat swim and you can actually see the movement of that bait and and the the
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depth in which it that it drops so it's very easy to to see a school of bait
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fish at 15 ft and 30 ft and then watch your bait go down to them spin around
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and hit those areas again and the other very cool thing and it is something that happened to us at that point we were
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doing this watching our baits and we had either big uh striper or musky because
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it's very difficult to differentiate on the Liv scope uh between species but size is is pretty
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easy and we had a big fish come right up to our bait follow the bait right and
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it's like Buck Fever almost or video game fishing I was behind the uh the
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wheel and uh I was watching this musky following my bait I'm assuming it was a
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Musky could have been a big striper but at the end of the day I don't care I want to catch it and uh I watched it and
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Peter he saw it as well from the screen on the front he said look at that fish I said I know I know and uh I slowed down
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and a lot of times you know that either speed up slow down turn it'll trigger a
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strike but that day I learned slowing down is not what you want to
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do so I slowed down a little bit and that fish we saw him peel away and then
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that was it so you and that's that's a learning thing for people that are if you're using live s it's expensive we
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know we get that it's expensive but it's a it's a whole learning thing so we know that if there's another fish that comes
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in and follows us we are not slowing down either speed we're going to wait till he stop If he if he stays on that
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bait stay on it just stay just stay steady if he's going to follow but if he you know he starts to wander out a bit maybe crack this throttle forward or
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turn left or right like Steve said so um but the technology is absolutely it's absolutely amazing ridiculous we're
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using forward view in in in Reverse we're shooting backwards now now this stuff is so clear Pierre here makes a
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what do you call your little weed guy guy weed guard what do you call oh it's just a weed guard you put on top of your
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leader it's a weed guard that you put so at the head of your leader let's say you got a 14 16inch leader or whatever and
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it's all that heavy musky in it then you got a a swivel or split ring whatever it is but he puts a little weed catcher on
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the front of that leader looks like the plug out of a shotgun shell facing up but it's the my point is it's so small
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and we can literally see that on the Liv scope all the time we knew when we were carrying weeds you know you could see you could see carrying weeds and all
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that stuff so that's how accurate this stuff you know can be you dial it in properly um and then you know the the
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settings there there's you play with that stuff every day because it's different every day sort of things so
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that was cool then we went on to stripers and where'd we go there bud yeah stripers I mean uh we started the night around what was it 7 o' I think we
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started right before the sun went down uh we had we had a couple hits we got two small little stripers um and then
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one one that really peeled the drag yeah um the hook open sadly but uh it was
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definitely a big fish I mean uh how how how loud was that drag that so that's
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for those of you have ever if you're running musky guys will do this a lot
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striper guys big fish fisherman do this a lot is they run their their uh trolling rigs on with clickers on and
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the clicker is not just for basically is to tell you that hey you got to fish cuz you're not always looking at your line
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you're not always watching and all that stuff so when you snag the bottom with a clicker on your trolling rod it's
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just it's just a steady pull well this was just like that except
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for like that and that was that's how you know there a giant she ran she ran pretty good but uh it was big you should
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have seen Dean's face after that when he looked at Dean over there he's the guy that had the unfortunate he got the two
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fish but he that one got off and you could just see the disappointment in his face he wanted a big striper so um and that was very cool that that's on the on
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the St John right on the on the river yeah right on St John River there at dark yeah and it's very cool like to to
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be able to to fish at dark again we ran our navigation lights on and all like that but we ran our live Scopes and all
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that we watched the you know we watched those spots Pier knows the spot intimately so he he had us I got to go
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out here with the trolling I got to go back in here like that I got to go on this point like that and we had to dial right in so and you never deviated too
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far off that path did you no never never and we still hooked fish I mean that big one there I was literally we just got
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one and then uh I put one rod back in and uh then I was putting the other one in and then as I was doing that it went
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off um that one was a little bit off path but uh that was something crazy there you go there was only a few boats
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out there was that the good thing about that it was only a few boats that were competing with us you knew all the guys out there and it was good right they all
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I think one guy got a couple fish he got a 29 incher something like that yeah yeah one of one of the guys down there got a nice one there but uh yeah no it
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was a great night and the fish were on definitely they were on but uh how many fish did you see on the light scope come up to oh my God now we're talking Stevie
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story we saw it every every past we saw a striper come up and that's something that that you you could take note of um
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people that don't run live sonar or whatever like that you would not believe the amount of fish that come up and look
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at your lure and turn away it is absolutely insane we're thinking ah the
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fishing is horrible it sucks there's no good here and all that H you know what you you have no idea how many fish
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especially when you're trolling that come up and take a look you know and and that's where guys like Pierre and Steve's a Musky Guy where they will
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change baits they see that fish come up he turns away okay I got to change the color this guy's nuts he got he changes
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like on a constant bases size color you know the wobble depth like that you just
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like okay he didn't like it so he moved so many times like that so and that's that's the side of a good guide right there so at the end of the day they they
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ate the bait yeah you found that one he all three bites were on the same bait right that one bait there yeah we put
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that one bait we started you want to tell everybody what it was yeah sure it was an 8 in Jake the most I mean it's a popular bait for anything really but I
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do have this one specific Jake that uh definitely catches fish I think we ran a different one cuz on the other side it
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didn't do anything yeah we had to change a hook on one of them I think at some point but yeah no it was awesome has
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anybody in the audience got any questions uh about the fishery around here especially with Pier up here it's
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going to be you got a great opportunity with a fishing guide and then Stevie and I can sort of throw in our two cents of
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that is anybody yes Mr Woo okay's question because they won't
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be able to hear it is what is the ideal speed of trolling for stripers good question um I actually change it up
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quite a bit um sometime in the fall like in the fall I'll be running definitely slower but then in the spring I'll run a
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little faster I mean if you look at yesterday we're running we're trolling with a 250 right so we're running basic
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at 3 35 miles hour which is a little faster what I'm used to um but typically
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I'd be running like 22 25 not more than that uh but it also depends on the bait that you're using that's uh talking
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crank wise um eels or stuff like that I'll be running way slower than
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that there you go anybody else got questions no I'll ask ask uh a p Ben's
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question so let's say that was here in September what about November is there a
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change you have to slow down the colder the water gets or is it just it doesn't matter there's still rippers no I I I'd
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probably run as slow as possible like 21 22 okay to 2 miles an hour I mean that's
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the slowest a boat will'll be able to go but uh with heels I'll be I've been trying with the trolling motor to go
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like 15 16 even just dragging them along so that tail is just okay and he's using
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artificial eels right not obviously not light eels uh water temperature what's the coldest water temperature you've
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ever caught a striper in where you guys I think it was like 40 44 45 I think is
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what the slowest one 44 I and this water will will it it doesn't freeze in the river does it it does freeze does it
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freeze so it'll get in the 39 to 40° sort of thing right we'll get down to that well I'll be fishing musky about
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30° okay there you go there you go any other questions anybody got anything there you
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what is the best bait for mus what is the best bait as a guide on the St John
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River and I'm going to give you a second shot because there's another guide here on the Ontario side of it so best bait
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for musky we'll go I think both me and Steve can agree on the same thing it's there's no specific bait but we all have
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that one bait right that one bait that works for us it doesn't matter if you have 10 copies of that one bait you'll
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find the one that's got the special action and that one is going to be the one um I gave Steve the my uh my baby as
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I call him and then he wouldn't run it no I would no we didn't run it tell you got to tell the story to that bait you
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have to tell everybody else that's why the the cosmo it's a cosmo it's a it's a custom bait I mean actually believe it
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or not I bought it from Jason in the crowd probably what was it two years two two something years ago um and he run it
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and then I actually bought it off of him and then it's can we say the price tag of that bait oh it's expensive it's
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definitely in the hundreds of dollar hundred and some dollars okay but uh it's been catching so many fish I mean
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they caught a 48 and a half this year um they caught it's just been hammered fish is a cosmo is it a custom did you say a
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custom bait it's a custom bait yeah yeah it's a guy from Quebec that makes them okay okay and that's the reason but you
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lost the bait right didn't you is that the one not that one that's Oh I thought that was the one you lost you got back okay no that other one is actually a
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Brunswick bait that one is made locally here in New Brunswick it's made in monton U from Jeremy from Brunswick baits your baits are tough man um
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basically in June I uh got a hook to a rope and then uh my buddy Jason there
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last week actually hooked the bait and I got it back to my hands and it smells like the St John River now so I I run
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that one the action is killer on that bait I mean I've ran that bait a little bit but
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it's already cut fish I mean I'm ready to put it back in the water now okay Stevie let's take an Ontario side Steve
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uh used to own a lodge on the French River uh in Ontario it joins Lake nipping to Georgian Bay so Stevia musky
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your favorite if you have a favorite musky bait oh I absolutely do I have a favorite musky bait and again like
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Pierre was saying um there's different baits that you can go through and um
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there's one one bait maker he's a custom bait maker his name is Paul ferio and he makes BOS Shad baits and we've found
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that the bait that runs true um but kicks out every once in a
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while so that bait will run true as we're driving and you like to be able to drive we don't go up to 5 m hour but we
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do go up to 4 and a half in certain conditions and that's fast right and that's fast um but for that bait to run
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true or and then kick out the side and then come back to true and then kick the other way and come back to true that is
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really one of the key things that we look for and it's like the we were talking earlier where when you can alter
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the the the speed the the the direction uh whatever those baits that kick out
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that those muskies follow follow follow and all of a sudden it kicks out and that can trigger a strike but that's not
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my favorite bait my favorite bait honestly and for whatever reason in the
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last 10 years it doesn't matter what I run Paul's boss shads um uh shadzilla
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which are big plastic baits uh spin Spinners my favorite bait is a Drifter
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tackle stalker jointed stalker and that bait is like 20 bucks I bought it for 20
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bucks and you can and it's in fire tiger and this bait um for whatever reason we
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call it a knocker we call this Bait A knocker because I have the same stalker jointed Fire Tiger
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Wy whatever color it is and I can run all four all I can run four lines and
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that bait is the one that catches 80% of the time and the other thing the other
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caveat that I will add to that is your confidence adds a ton to how successful
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that bait is because if you catch on a bait what bait are you going to put back
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out there first that bait how long are you going to leave it in the water longer than the
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others right so confidence in a bait affects whether you how successful you
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are with it typically because because you always give that guy a little extra
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time in the water but my favorite bait is a drifter uh jointed stalker in Fire
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Tiger so what makes these B I've been hearing both you guys say the same thing one particular bait could be 30 sitting
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on this table here the exact same bait and there's one that's going to be the killer what does what is it that makes that bait do that for muskies I think
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it's the kick to the side I mean that's pretty magical on certain well it could be but I don't know uh like I mean I
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don't know and what if you if you're asking why does this one work it could be because the uh split rings are
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different or the the the one Hook is just a little bit off on the mold or
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like I mean give our audience better than that come on you got something come on oh well as far as action goes I've
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already said it's it's it's a side a kick to the side and the the when you
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like I mean if things are going slow in the boat right and and we're trolling and you know you got the music going and
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and uh I I always like to just go back grab a rod and give her a couple of rips
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right just to see um but you know it's that uh it's that change it be like um
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since we're in a tackle store here um chatterbaits like the Evergreen uh
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Jackhammer I know anybody's run jackhammers before that thing it doesn't do the regular chatterbay thing it goes
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like doesn't it does the same thing what you guys are talking about I believe you're talking about right and that's
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why that pay you pay 25 30 bucks for a ChatterBait and it works and people say why that's why that ChatterBait works
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better than the other ones I guarantee you that so that's what I figured out so I guess that's maybe the erratic of a
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bait what you guys are saying yeah okay yeah yeah everybody got a unique action
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that's what it is you got to like learn your baits and see and what you're confident like you said confidence is the biggest thing I mean you catch a
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fish you'll put it back in you'll you'll leave that bait there and you'll switch the other on first for sure yeah for sure that's true yeah for sure anybody
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else got anything carry on the last thing I'll say about that yes that is
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why I didn't swim your bait because I have one right and if you lose that bait
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oh man like I mean my sons my sons are like Dad how big how heavy is that
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leader like it's 120 PB leader you should should be okay and I always tell
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them if they're using it if you get that bait snagged boys you're going swimming
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right so there was there was after I heard your story I think I said to Peter
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or Dean I said there is no way I'm running that
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we'll take we'll take a couple more questions but uh carrying on so today we wanted to do the larg mold portion of
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the show and we went into the head P what you call it the McQuack the McQuack
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arm McQuack arm which is the most gorgeous looking piece of water I think I've ever been into in a long time and
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um and we were you know taking on large mouth and and an and Steve an started the day um way up in the far end it
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looks just greasy so good up there all that stuff and then H had his emergency
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had to go home and all that so um we went back to the spot and to be honest and I've talked to everybody and they
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said this is a great spot for numbers of large M bass but we had a real hard time today getting numbers of large M bass we
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got small fish but we could not do any you know we could not get anything going for bigger fish and I and uh it's just
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one of those days flat calm you know the water temperature was 68 to 69 degrees which is perfect I love that kind of
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water temperatures like that uh weeds are still green um the deeper weeds the
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shallow pads are perfect looking but we could not get going we found bait everywhere we found like mean like we
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just couldn't get the fish to bite our L what it was yeah yeah yeah yeah was and then I talked to the guys out here
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including Ben um outside and and Pierre here and they saying as much as
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sometimes just a 6in water drop so you're the water's dropping here right all that this that seems like it's
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what's dropping down yeah right so is that just because of the dam where we are or how's that what is so right now the water is dropping down river I mean
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there's not enough water flowing I think and then now when they're flowing the dam now the dam is going lower and then
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the down river is just staying steady okay so but but a 6 in to 1 foot water
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depth change can mean the world a difference it can change it can change everything really I mean you can kind of
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see it when you're scanning one one day you can be at a spot where everybody like all the fish are feeding at that one spot and then tomorrow there is a
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big change in the water well not even like six inches yeah that's not a big change You' never notice it you showed us that on the shore today you said guys
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the water's dropped I don't know if that's a bad thing or not exactly but it it dropped I bet you dropped a foot
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didn't it close to it well we could see it on short it was still fresh on the side so anyway it dropped overnight like
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it was dropping as we were fishing yeah so but u u and obviously everybody's fished that body of water sitting in
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this room right pretty good is it like a what's a big large mouth out of there what's a
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my f card wine over six PB over six lb okay that's a nice large mouth that's a
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big large mouth man that's right wow wow nice nice what he gets it on you
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know not one of your baits I it must have been a dice I think it was a
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dice right on right on um what do you want to do Dino what else do you want to talk about here what do we got
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uh Nico do you want to come in and uh talk about your experience Peter if you want to give up your spot sounds good
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everybody let's hear from Peter thank you guys Pier thank you thanks my
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friend all right so for those of you that have watched the show lately this is Nick Angelo's grandson and uh and
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Nick has taken on a role as part of the fishing Canada team as well so Steve Dean Nick along with Ang and I so so far
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I think right and uh niiko give us your experience uh your new bronz experience
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and your sturgeon fishing yeah no it was um it was awesome I never fished sturgeon before right so that was uh a
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really cool experience and you guys are saying with the circle hooks and not setting the hook it was like rewriting
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how to fish for me I just I couldn't get the uh the the the concept of just not setting it and not touching it and not
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doing anything just gently picking it up and reeling it in like that's the biggest no no for every other species is
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set the hook rip it get it it it was total opposite I'll tell you they they are possibly the coolest looking fish I
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think I've ever seen the fight how about the fight in that big one oh the fight the fight was just it wasn't a big fish
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it wasn't a massive fish it was it was probably mid-30s but it it fought like hell yeah yeah it was it was intense
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like Dean was uh you know making me aware the fact they fight that much and
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um I didn't quite believe him but after that I definitely definitely did and for
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the audience that's not here sitting here and knowing all about the new brunwick way of catching these ston
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how'd you catch it yeah so basically you um you get these big old rods and you it's a dip in worm so you just get a
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circle hook you cover in worm like live bait we were doing two or three per hook and you just drop it down and wait you
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got so you got a sliding you got to tell that though we got a sliding weight that it stops it's like basically like a live bait reg like a Lindy so the fish can
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pick up the bait swim with it and not feel the weight but it's a strong weight to hold it in the current place an ounce
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weight I think or yeah something like that be bigger than an ounce I think
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regardless think three ounces at least I'm sure but um and the key to that is
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is that bait staying in one spot so Nick being a young guy being 21 years old he
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he that first he he had to move that worm a thousand times before we was it was in the right spot for him Pier said
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no no no I say Nick no no he had to just pull it to feeling Nick you're moving it you're moving it you're moving it you
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won't catch a fish so Nick finally had to put his hands in his pockets and absolutely okay I'm not I'm ready I'm ready to fish now and that's exactly
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what happened after that I had I actually had to end up sitting down on the boat just cuz like my brain was just
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keep kept telling me just move it put it out somewhere else get it in the right position and and you'll find them and it
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just was a matter of waiting yeah yeah it's all it's very similar to carp fishing minus the tents and the chairs
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and and all that you just got to just waiting this the biggest patience game
29:55
that you can play for fishing and that was a a short nose sturgeon there's there's two here Atlantic and shortnose
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does anybody out in the Audis know the record shortnose sturgeon I don't know I'm asking a question does anybody know the world record the the Canadian record
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uh uh what's a big one what is a sure
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don't 60 up to 60 in so that's a big fish that's I mean that would be in a
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Musky world to 60 in is a 60 pounder isn't it well yeah like I mean absolutely something like that uh you're
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pound an inch once you get uh and those sturgeon are balest like they're thick right they're a meaty fish so yeah
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that'd be a big one so and uh and are they known to jump I I'm asking are they
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yes yeah everybody yeah yeah yeah ours didn't jump surprisingly yeah and it pull really good so came to the surface
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a lot three or four times through the fight with the bigger one but it didn't breach which apparently is very
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odd anybody else got anything for us here in in the question World anything and it doesn't have to be new brunwick
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it can be fishing Canada related can be personal questions and the fishing not personal personal what's the best
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part what's the best time what's the best part about coming to the maritime to fish so um we always have said an and
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I have always said that I you guys are all sitting here but it's the people this is there's no doubt about it's the
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people the the the fishing it goes without saying it's it's excellent but when when you go when you travel across
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the country like we have done in our past I mean and we never want to offend any other provinces we we hate to do
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that or any part of the country and all that but when you hit the maritimes boy she's a different world the people as I
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think everybody knows here are just absolutely amazing the hospitality is ridiculously nice there's you just it's
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it's not like like I live in the greater Toronto area the GTA and it ain't like there okay this the attitude of
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everybody the whole friendliness the it's it's a a another world so that's to me that's the best part yeah it uh It
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Feels Like Home even though it isn't ours yeah way I can sum it up that's a that's
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a wonderful way to sum it up and um I uh I actually had an experience uh while we were here and um
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uh one of the bolts on our trailer on the bunk broke and uh I had to replace
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it Dean and Pete went out and they were Scouting Around and I brought my truck down and that was the trailer so you
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know but I don't mind I used to be a sheet metal mechanic we'll fix this up no problem and uh I got on the phone and
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I I needed a grade eight grade N bolt uh because I didn't want to mess around
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with you know a grade five or regular bolt because it's already broke so I got on the phone with um Bay View uh
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Trucking Parts I think it's called and uh local guys cross the river uh I drove
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over there uh went in I talked to the guy at the front desk great guy set me up with the bolts no problem and um I
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had uh I took the bolt in and uh I decided that I should have um shorter
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bolts but um it was the wrong decision so I went back in to switch for longer
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bolts and there was a guy standing at the desk a worker he turned around and
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it was uh a very good high school friend of mine from back in shelburn on onario
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and shelburn Ontario like I mean it's a town of 3500 Kevin giru and uh he moved
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to New Brunswick three years ago I didn't even know I as far as I knew he was kicking around shelburn and you know
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how you get separated from your high school friends but they're still great friends and I give him a big hug and he
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and and I and I asked him I said Kev what's it like to live out here he said
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Steve I'm going to be honest with you there is not enough money that anybody
34:00
could pay me to go back to shelburn I miss my buddies but he said it's like
34:06
when we grew up it's everybody is is so friendly he said if you if you pull over
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on the side of the highway the first six people that drive by you stop to see if you're okay it's not like that back home
34:18
anymore it's like it's like that here and uh what you have here is uh it's a
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beautiful thing our friend Ben wo I'm sure Ben you can give me just a thumbs up because that's pretty much the story
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isn't it you've came from a one tiet it's a one-way ticket Ben said he loves
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it here and he won't be going back I'm sure of it so he said earlier he would not he he would trade Suburbia for this
34:42
10 times every day 10 times every day that's nice well
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Ben's pretty spoiled right you know he's had a good life any other questions by anybody here
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we go good
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right we heard about that one so the question is for the listening audience is that there's a couple lakes in in
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runuk here one had large mouth in it the other had has or had small mouth in it and once discovered um somebody I don't
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know is it the DFO or who is it that want wants the eradication of these Fishers it just pardon own Camp owners
35:24
dfos okay so um and then you're the question also went back to the Black Bass Championship being being held here
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so from what we've heard from the Black Bass Championship being held here um I
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believe Chris might be able to help me on this that they're they they're going to allow large mouth are they going to
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allow large Mo into this event do you know okay
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so right so we're what we've been told is that they're trying to get a an
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extension or something for a large mouth to be weighed in this event however that you have to literally
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tell the officials the exact areas that you caught them in the exact location
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that you caught them in so that they can take these individual fish and put them back in that same water in the large
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mouth water so they won't be transferred into the main part of here now they're probably already here I'm going to guess
36:23
that I mean with the little arms that are having large mouth in them that they're going to eventually make their
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way and ccle their way through everywhere I would think but but I think in order to for the tournament's sake
36:33
and the professionalism of it all they're going to say okay we might allow a large mouth and then if we do they are
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going to be transferred back is that going to be successful well hopefully the the team could do that 100% right and I think they could you know if they
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really keep a good track of it I don't know how many people will will fish for large mouth versus small mouth I mean if
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they can get on a good pattern um that might be think you got some really good Anglers coming up here for that right
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there's some those yeah well then the American guys I mean wheeler is coming up here the best
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you know rated bass angler in the world right now so uh Scotty Martin all those guys so hammer too right he just won the
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B Master ham Master Classic yeah yeah so there's some great Anglers coming up
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they'll Pro they'll want to fish large Mo but they're probably going to they're probably going to see so many how many small Mo are out here and you got Gussy
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of course Gussy and Cooper Galant that are coming up too so um I have a feeling Gussy and Cooper Gant will not be
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worried about large mod I got a feeling they'll be doing the small M thing and trying to you know trying to get their best sack of that but um it's it's a
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shame but it it's important and we've had in working with new uh New Brunswick
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and that it's important to note that our goal in this trip if we get our large M
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bath segment done is that they're a great sportfish they are established here but do not move that fish anywhere
37:54
we we want to tell the world that and it's I mean for new brunwick it's it's a very important thing you just you don't cuzz the the the tendency is for they're
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just a great fish that can live and thrive in so many different types of waters that hey I'd like to have those
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on my Lake that'd be awesome on my Lake you know what I mean it's it's so easy to put six in your Live Well five in
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your Live Well I don't know if there's a limit here or not but if there is you put them your live well and you got two guys you put a dozen fish into your Lake
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and you do that 10 times in a year and all of a sudden you got a great population of large well fastiv well that's highly illegal and it's not smart
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to do no matter what like it's just not you just you are changing the ecosystem of that body of water uh as much as I
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love large my favorite fish but you know I just say okay I fish where they are I'm not going to move them where they're
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not you know you have to and it's highly illegal too it's illegal it's immoral it just everything about it is not right
38:45
you know what I mean so hopefully um I don't like the idea of eradicating them
38:50
from a lake like that if they're in a lake let them be let them you know I don't know how they got there who knows
38:56
how they got there maybe it was the legally that but I mean if when they start doing that poisoning like they did
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with the Smallmouth out here like that boy that raised a lot of [ __ ] in the in the world right so it was it wasn't
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pretty we could we could just yeah it was not a good thing it's um and I don't think that uh and to to kind of uh throw
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my two cents in and answer your question um as far as the large mouth goes with
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this tournament the better um uh that you can represent the species and the
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safer that you can represent the species um the better chance of having them left
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where they are will be um if you can prove that they bring money to the
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town um then they become valuable um I shot a show with Angelo in 2019 back
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before um they uh when they were killing musky when they would uh get caught in
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the McQuack Dam um um trap and uh they
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would lift all of the Native species but the muskies they didn't get let back go
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down below the dam they were disposed of and um again because of all of you um
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and and showing people that you know muskies aren't really the the enemy here
40:22
you can make a lot of money in the economy with muskies um that's very important and and that can be important
40:28
with bass but having said that when you move those bass um number one like Pete
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said they're illegal da da we all know that but the other thing is our taxpaying dollars go and are spent on
40:44
all of the research and all of the other e eradication programs and the programs
40:49
to prevent the spread so really if you're doing that you're just costing us
40:56
taxpayers money right uh if they're here they're here and I think that um I think that
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they're ready to embrace that fact because it honestly I think it's just too hard to to actually get rid of them
41:11
um so you embrace it right but it's important to uh to embrace what we have
41:16
but but follow the rules no I was going to read this
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because it was a perfect segue and we have a one of our sponsors is the invasive species and but we're not going
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to do it right now yeah do it now okay so this is what we do in our podcast all the time we instead of uh commercials we
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do live little uh things and this is this actually that's why I want to read this is because it's uh it's going on in
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other uh types of things so you I'll do a line you do a line or anything like that if you want I don't have my glasses
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but I'll do my best I'll do I can read it all so here's here's the way this thing is is to be read The Humble goldfish everyone's favorite aquatic pet
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doubt and you're going to have to tell me what this word is here that's mesmerized my friend I'm going to read
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it all even the cat may be mesmerized by the color and movements of your aquarium friends goldfish are great at home but
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don't let them loose so this is an ongoing thing obviously it's exactly what we're talking about it's a perfect question right now it's a perfect segue
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to hope no never never to dump your live bait into the water and risk spreading other Aquatic Invaders keep our legs
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free from Invaders and don't let it loose so the another thing in Ontario uh rule I'm going to ask you guys if this
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is the rule there was you you can't empty your Bait Bucket with it like we have to be 30t up on land before we can
43:16
empty our Bait Bucket I think it's 30t or 30 yards or something like that is that a law here does anybody
43:24
know you can't sell there you go you can't can't sell live minerals and no bronz it's
43:33
illegal okay so you trap them from that Watershed you have to use them in the in the lake that you trapped the wers shed
43:38
that you trapped them in you can't you can't right you can't take it from here
43:44
35 miles away and fish the leges like that well that's good that's what you're saying with the large mouth right
43:52
sorry no transport of any live fish
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within New Brunswick so on tidle Waters so all non-title Waters that minnow had
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to come from that body of water so you can't you can't basically you have to use minnows from the lake that you
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caught them and the tital waters you're saying you can can you use them as long as they're caught into Brunswick caught
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Brunswick
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right so the Border that's another thing but people that they listening might not realize that New Brunswick and Maine
44:39
border each other like that and you can fish there are lakes that split that are split on both us and Canadian side and
44:45
you can use Li bait on those what they're saying is Li bait on those Lakes as long as it's from that that Lake basically all that so you're basically
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your libate rules are much further ahead than ours ours are just just getting to
44:57
yours now Ontario I'm talking about now we're just getting to that point now because we're having so many rules come out in that sense of that Bait Bucket
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you can't empty that here's another one for you here's a weird one for you guys we we never knew this an and I never
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knew this and I don't even think Steve knew this until we brought it up to him when we filet our fish we can't throw
45:18
the carcasses into the lake it's illegal to throw the fish carcasses into the lake we always thought hey the turtles are going to get that everybody's going
45:24
this is great for the environment and no it's not going to stink and anybody like that highly illegal apparently so is it
45:29
illegal here does anybody know you need to take the carcass home
45:36
with you
45:43
right you have to have the carcass with you you can clean it anywhere as long as you have all the parts with you and bring it home and dispose of
45:50
it right oh yeah yeah yeah you'd have to have a head to tail measurement on that because most fish here are are they're
45:57
under some kind of regulation of length right of length reg regulation slot yeah slots and that so that's the only way
46:02
they can do it yeah cuz again an onaral we don't have to do that if there's
46:07
no so if there's a slot we'd have to but there's some places well I guess now the most well the bass for instance bass
46:14
there's no slot there's no sizes but you still if you fet that fish you have to keep a one inch square of of skin on
46:19
that for identification sort of thing like that but I I don't know if that's even done around here at all but well I
46:25
mean it makes sense that they do do that here cuz Ben was saying earlier that uh for stripers specifically you can only
46:31
keep them from what it's uh 26 to 38 36 26
46:37
36 give or take give or take and um there's no way you'd be able to verify that if you uh didn't have the whole
46:43
fish yeah so I'm assuming most people clean the fish at home is that the easiest way you catch them and bring them home and clean them that make that
46:49
makes the most sense right obviously it's just the fish guts Hey Dean fish guts Qui quick story I I I I we went on
46:57
a trip Ang and I went on a trip one time or shoot and uh Monique phoned Ang and said uh my God an animal died in the in
47:05
the office something something happened an animal died in the office long story short Dean went out into the garage I
47:10
parked my truck in the garage and I had a pike a pike carcass in the back of my truck that I was going to throw in the garbage bill and I forgot it was in the
47:17
garage like this for days upon days you're forgetting I spent about three days of searching for said carcass I
47:23
thought it was a big dead rat I checked every square inch of that office for two
47:28
to three days apologize boys finally uh we discovered his zombie Pike that thing
47:34
stunk oh my god oh and when an told me he says guess what you let what you did and I said oh no what I do he said monik
47:41
is going to kill you when I get back so but I survived um any other goodies before we uh we get going anybody got
47:48
anything else Benny okay so Ben's question is what
47:53
have we noticed about the small M bass patterns uh being different from Ontario comparison to Ontario in New Brunswick
47:59
here because the bait is different uh I.E there's no gobies out here they don't eat quite the same they have
48:04
gaspero here which is a little ale wife or a an ale wife maybe not a little ale wife but a type of Ale wife and they
48:10
have different food base so um I can't you know what Ben I haven't I haven't fished these enough to to
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Really dive that deep into them because the ones we're catching we're doing the
48:22
exact same thing as we do back home right Honest Ned rigs I was throwing a crank ba a square Bell crank the other
48:27
day they were crushing it like you know they love with that square yeah and uh yoer by the way and um they yeah so I
48:35
don't know if the B I think the smallo seems to be the same
48:40
attitude um I would probably you people are ban for sure being from Quebec and
48:47
from here might with the different goldby fish and St Lawrence River and all that you might have a more of a a
48:53
thought on that but I don't really notice any difference in the in the way we have to catch and they were relating
48:58
to all of the same types of structures that we would ones the ones that we saw on Liv scope were doing the same stuff
49:04
down there in between the humps and stuff like that so I don't know if there's a difference or not do you have you noticed a difference
49:15
yeah okay so see Ben's got Ben had made a great Point here you won't find them deep out in the channel on 37t because
49:22
in the St Lawrence River in in particular Lake St Francis you will we so you'll see a lot of them in there
49:28
like that and they're big ones and they School up down there and they just sit there and wait I don't know if they're feeding or waiting or what they're doing
49:33
mean they're when they're that deep it's usually later in the year I'm assuming right it's not
49:39
no right right yeah yeah yeah yeah goes are a deep a deep water forage are they
49:45
not goes are an everywhere forage really they're on the bottom basically there's so many goes in that in that system it's
49:51
ridiculous so that's another bad one you don't want in this system by the way absolutely could you say though that as on a on a basic level though the
49:58
Smallmouth fishing no matter where you are is going to be Smallmouth fishing yeah yeah yeah I would say so
50:05
when you were throwing at them they fight the same they fight the same they are rapers here like they live in current so they if they live in current
50:12
like this they're going to be strong fish and they're lean here so they're definitely strong fighter they're lean because they're fighting current all the
50:18
time the exception of that is the is the goby eaters that are fat and still figh and current and and pull do you have
50:25
some bat ones yeah okay the ones that are eating CAD Ben said there's get some CAD eating fish
50:31
they get some pretty fat too the ones we were getting for pretty lean but just in a in a sense of fast way like that so I
50:38
I I don't know that I can see a difference Ben but uh it's a great question because uh I'm I'll talk to you
50:43
after about it I'm sure you got a few little insights for me anything else what with the young
50:49
couple young Lads there you got to have some kind of questions what what's the best bait to use for
50:55
bass so you're looking at small mou bass I'm assuming right that's a great that is a fantastic question I'll tell you
51:01
the baits we were using the other day and and we were using um Square Bill crankbaits we used a a yosui square
51:08
square Bell crankbait and they were really hitting that because you can work up from really shallow to down about 6 feet deep um and we were using jerk
51:16
baits they were hitting jerk bait suspending jerk baits which you see on the wall here a lot of them like that they work fantastic for them too and the
51:23
other thing I was throwing and I was just throwing if I couldn't get them on the hard bait I threw a Ned rig the Ned rig is like it's money and I'll tell you
51:31
what it's money on Largemouth too people don't throw it on larg M because it's too finesse and nobody wants to throw
51:37
that little stuff on 8 PB test line I've C more big bass lately on a Ned rig than
51:42
anything so to me that's I don't know if you guys want to add anything to that no that's uh you're pretty bang on those
51:48
would be the best those would be my top three I mean and the the classic that I
51:53
uh that I still carry and uh and you don't hear people talk about it as often
51:59
but for small Le I know where you're going yeah you can't beat a tube jig yeah tube a tube man it's uh they're
52:07
they're great too so give the tube it's due yep yep true enough and uh you know
52:12
if my if my granddad was here he'd uh he'd also throw drop shotting into that yeah that's drop shot yeah exactly a
52:18
little three in three or 4 inch middle Shad sort of plastic like that absolutely so but I mean small are
52:24
aggressive fish right so they they'll hit from top water to dig deep everything down below so um you just got
52:31
to kind of find find your little niche find your favorite and then and go for it like that but I will say one of the
52:37
biggest smallmouth I ever got was on a top water popper and that is that is some of the most fun you'll ever have so
52:43
if you have the opportunity to catch one on top water on just nice still go for
52:48
it yeah yeah and don't use Flor carbon line that's the best tip you're going to get cuz you're going to say what the
52:54
hell's going on with my bait and you're not going to
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that's it that's a great point you see the bite just count to two or three one elephant two ele boom and then hit them
53:08
because it makes a big difference just like Nick with just like sturgeon fishing a little delayed reaction New
53:15
York Hat no you're good okay no questions at all any fishing questions any like that no okay I'm not going to
53:21
pressure it like that um okay boys I don't know anything else you guys unless anyone wants to know how you know a little more behind the scenes on how the
53:28
show has made itself or anything then if not we're good we're
53:34
good okay all right all right folks thanks so much for coming over over tonight to the to the minnow tackle shop
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and uh for everybody listening this is another on the road uh podcast from uh The Outdoor Journal radio network uh
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Steve thank you Nick thank you and Pierre thank you and everybody else
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