Largemouth in New Brunswick?! | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 138

Name: Largemouth in New Brunswick?! | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 138
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this episode of Outdoor Journal radio is brought to you in part by the invasive species Center protecting Canada's land
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Outdoor Adventures well hello everybody thank you for joining us once again Outdoor Journal radio the podcast I'm angal V he
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is Peter Bowman we've got Volvo over there we got Nick over there and we have Dean over there which is actually over
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here I knew you were going to correct that one because I he's over there but he's actually over here so and he's over
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there and he's over there and he's there and I'm here and now here we're all
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together there a bunch of [ __ ] thank you very much thank you [ __ ] Dean I
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just looked at [ __ ] Dean there okay uh later on we'll be joined by our good friend uh from the uh speaking of
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[ __ ] he's as good as it gets that boy right there uh uh from the right coast of
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Canada uh from the East Coast uh good friend Jeff Wilson who um is known for a
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lot of things probably his most high-profiled position is director of the mirror
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machine Striper Cup come on now uh each year actually twice a year now right there's a spring and a to a smaller fall
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Event Y uh but just all around Outdoors great angler a good friend and he'll be
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talking to us today about some interesting new uh events that he's involved in coming up that we are
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involved in as well correct Mundo but before we do all of that stuff we needs to do something else
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housekeeping like shop. fishing canada.com an you ever been there before
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you ever been there before I go through the front check out that right there uh-huh behind us those that are just listening
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we have three beautiful beautiful restock for the season hoodies um the new fishing Canada style not the old
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fishing can is is the old logo on there anywhere at all not on the sleeve or anything like that reinterpretation of
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the fish in Canada trademark okay right and I mean I like it it's very cool it's just for these particular U hoodies you
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can't get it any place else okay and and it's will it be used anybody else in the future do you think or no no that's it
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it's done abely that's Edon Stone you will not use that there's no T-shirt imagine a nice T-shirt with that on that
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God that'd be awesome it would be a a contravention of my agreement oh so
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there you go oh and we don't want to do that all right and that's just one item that's just one great hoodie we have so
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many fall fall is coming it's here winter is upon us so there'll be some winter Goods there stop it stop it it's
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going to be next week runs oh don't say that have you looked at the weather is it bad H they get Frost every morning
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morning and night that's uh Frost isn't bad cuz you get nice days Frost leads to other things cold okay you got to got
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man talking a frosty mug leading to cold beer either we might have one of those out there I'm talking frost on the
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pumpkin okay and that's time to go large M Duncan there you go see and
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that's what we're going to be doing that's it we're going to there uh as the frost grows on the pumpkin there you go
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there what the hell that means I have absolutely no [Laughter]
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Mya listener feedback I do know about that listener feedback this week Keith Willams will
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Willams Willams will Z Willam Z Willams Willam how do you pronounce that I don't
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know I got there's a few words I'm going to ask for your pronunciation here on this on this script but that one's the
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first one Speaking of the store when Keith says when will the store offer new merch I'd love to start my day with a
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coffee using an outdoor Journal radio mug or drink a beer as we just talked about from a can coozie maybe even a
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fishing can and a branded lures uh we've been waiting for a while just saying that's a hell of an idea look at
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that sucker Dean did that didn't he I know Dean did that's a hell of an idea I'm I'm going to look here just talk to
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Dean right there right there Dean he Dean wave to us Dean there you go right
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there Nick is actually Dean for me oh that's interesting that's a cool you got a good job there brother that'd be a
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good mug wouldn't it it's a nice looking mug wonder if we could uh there you go get that through talk to Nick about that
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he's the the fell the fell who looks after the store Outdoor Journal or fishing Canada bugs I think if we're
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going to do one we got to do the other too right W yeah definitely a fishing Canada beer koozie cuz when the boys out
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having a beer after the day of the water do you you do you use Koozies all the time I bring them with I bring them with
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me I see I see you I got in my suitcase right now go to the east coast I'm going to bring uh Mercury one I'm going to
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bring an STS Guide Service one and I'll have booya booya clean one I'll have all three how come because it's not it just
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it keeps that beer just that much colder to the end really yeah but the end is never far down the timeline that's part
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I watch you with those think why the hell is he taking it's taking him longer get the the in there than it is to drink
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the beer just drink the damn thing that's you do what you would do I'll do what I do I enjoy a cold beer so do I
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that's why I drink it that's right I drink it I don't let it get warm and mine doesn't get warm either no because
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you got to put it in that's right it's koozy see little slower drum there would have been nice but that's okay that's
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okay it's okay Dean you relax You' you're you're you've had a tough a bu of [ __ ] you've been you've been on
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vacation for a week it must have been hard on you I feel terrible that you have to actually come in and work the day after a bunch of
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[ __ ] you got that right Keith William Will Williams Wilms from Ontario
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wants uh to know what do you think what do you think with can we get next make something up can we start something or
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it's hard to get Nick is like hurting cats right you never really know you can wave that that that stick at them and
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you don't have L to say about your boys good to say about your boys today do you other than V I'm I'm impressed he's
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hasn't started laying down yet so that's a good sign that's a good sign all right
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that's a really good sign uh moving on how's how's Miss Tangi
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today she doing all right the CEST doing great yeah okay I know if you have anything to say about her I want to hear
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it oh God her I can't pick on no no I don't blame you she bites back I don't
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blame you uh what do we got Dean uh conservation corner right Dean is that
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is that the next piece we're doing here that is and it's uh it's from over here right one of these guys got all kind by
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the way uh conservation Corner uh brought to you by the invasive species
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Center they're back give me a hell yeah they're back back I love it would it be
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legal for us to do a give me a hell yeah t-shirt probably not I bet you Steve I'll bet you Stone Cold's got that uh
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trademarked for sure that was huge back then that was like so big yeah yeah I
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can't do that I try it there's only so much stuff you can steal before you get CAU you can't you can make it you just can't sell it right couldn't you just
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make it and then wear around you know yeah and what would be purpose of that yeah just cuz you wanted
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to support that saying give me a hell yeah that beautiful piece of artwork speak a hell yeah on that one give me a
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hell yeah thank you st uh do you know that your favorite species of sportfish could be at risk Mr
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Bowman the grass carp one of four species of Asian carp potential compete native species for resources and have
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negative effects on species such as northern pike Walley small M bass and yellow perch wow same eating up to 40%
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of its body weight in aquatic vegetation and can also grow up to 880 lb that was
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a big one that is huge 80 lb Monster uh these fish would have no problem uh
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calling the great lakes and its tributaries their home now the problem with that is that they've already
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started so uh we need to be vigilant do you want to do you think
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they're established you said Thank they haven't established yet but they there's DNA evidence that they have crossed the
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barrier we do know that we have learn to identify them report the species and you
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know obviously if you're you're you're out in the boat and you see hear smell one of these stupid things I'm going to
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call them stupid things go ahead yeah you can do that to Asian carp.com it to the lookalikes and
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download the reporting guide and uh and make sure you uh make sure you report it and and take care of that do not release
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that fish back into the wild if it's a grass carb do not release it back on the that's if you caught one and apparently
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the chances of catching one [Music] even as an incidental catches zero
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because they're they're veget snag it you'd have to actually you have to snag it now we're not suggesting you do that either by the way because trolling
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through 20 of them and you these hooks nowadays they're so sharp they might get them in the head or something like that who knows right it could happen and the
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only way you're going to know that it's not a common carp which by the way is not one of the carps we're talking about
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uh the only way mirror carp nor mirror carp they're lovely uh the only way to know is to uh arm yourself with
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information and uh download it download the the image of this grass carp onto
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your phone that's probably the best thing to do best thing to do absolutely all that is available at invasive
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species Center um and uh Asian carca
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wasca thanks Dean you're welcome all right I looked at wrong Dean sorry wrong
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Dean right you can't you can't okay here's what we're going to do here's gentlemen Dean I want you to be in charge of this cuz it's to your benefit
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uh as of the next podcast I want a miniature version of your 40 you know
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the 45 gallon drum that you keep with all the names that you put in there the people who were asking okay I want a miniature version of that it could
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actually be a a a beer can with the top cut off the kozi in a fishing can the kozi in a koozie sitting right here and
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every time Mr Bowman does not address the right Dean
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Taylor he's going to put a nickel no a quarter in and I want to hear the
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quarter dropping sound effect who gets it you oh okay that's why I want you to be
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motivated with us you see well we'll split it how's that you got to give me a you got to give me you got to give me a
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tast I come up with the idea oh he gave you 25% he just gave you 25 points out of that whole thing that's more than tax
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I'm one first of all I'm the one who thought of it secondly I'm the one who is I'm coming in that first day I'm do
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it once and once only going to put one quarter in there you guys you [ __ ] have to split it 7525 that's going to be
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natural pet treats and dog food yeah apparently there's some some bad stuff
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out there when you're feeding your pets like uh you know the processed stuff as well it's like human food you you're
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going to eat baloney you're going to have a bit of a problem you eat a lot of that stuff in your life I told you my uh
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my only dog uh ownership as a child was a little beagle called jippy jippy okay
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jippy jippy and uh all jippy ate oh you talk was Italian food it wasn't left
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over no it wasn't left over it was specifically but my mom cut a piece of lasagna and get whatever we had every
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day she would make an extra portion for jippy it didn't matter whether it was
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lasagna spaghetti Linguini uh ratoni zti it didn't matter jippy got his own like
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eggplant eggplant meatballs you know those wonderful ve cutlets hand no
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absolutely oh my God and so this dog beagles they're little pigs too they he
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would he would eat so much that because he got short little legs his belly would be dragging on the ground most of the
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time like a bassen hound almost no way he was how old did he live eating
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eating I don't know because we had to give him up because uh mom got tired of the thing pissing all over the place it
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it developed this this thing maybe you know now that I think of it see I'm
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thinking back we were we were just kids right we were just kids and my parents were new to uh pet ownership because I
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can't think of one time I mean I'm sure I'm sure we did I
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got to talk to Reno about this but I can't think of one time where anybody actually took the dog out for
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the purpose of relieving itself what no I'm serious train it to to go take a I
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don't think so I I I could be wrong I maybe they did and I didn't notice I don't know but anyways this dog
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developed the habit of peeing everywhere and my mother got it's so easy to like it is easy to train like I can literally
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make my dog pee like he's walking out in the backyard or in the yard or whatever I say take a p take a p I might take two
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or three times he'll take a p no if he's got piss in him he'll take a p yeah no way I swear to God he understands P yeah
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yeah wow because I ingrained that into him so that one now he's in the house and I want to go put him out before bed
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go out take a pee and he goes out you mean go out he's got his own lock the door for him out you go out no no what
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do you go what do you have to go out for you can see him at the glass door if you had to he's he's 11 he knows how to take
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a pee now trust me he's taking about 6, 242,000 of them so so you can take crap
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I'm got to take a [ __ ] I always say hold that in you son of a [ __ ] don't don't [ __ ] my yard go next door no I don't so
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what if somebody so what if you inadvertently say p no he in the house no he wouldn't do it he wouldn't do it
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no he knows anyways poor jippy uh didn't know the difference between peeing and
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eating so he would just eat and pee and so Mom uh decided that that was enough
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uh he had to go I think he was like a year and a half maybe old right anyways the the moral of the story The reason I
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I tell the story because we gave him back to the original breeder who raised
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breed and raised Champion beagles that's what he did for living right he was a friend of Dad's worked with him and um
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anyway so they took jippy back to the breeder said Hey listen it's just
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not working out R the breeder you know oh that's too bad yeah sure come on it
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anyways I guess a couple of weeks later he said to Dad what the hell did you do to that
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dog it was the wife it was the wife why he he won't eat anything oh my God I
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can't get him to eat what did you feed him so Dad told him he must have saw when he looked at the dog the beginning
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he was Obe yeah he said oh my God he was obese but he just thought it was lack of
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training you know you're not running the dog he had no idea that that dog was
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eating also Bole every week he was eating like all of this wonderful stuff
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that we had right that's awesome God he's living the life eh I mean that's what this podcast Jerry's is talking
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about obviously dog foods that's this is an exception to the rule the jippy was exception to the rule most but most
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Kibbles like if you buy that big giant bag for 30 40 bucks you're buying [ __ ] it's not good oh yeah it's bad as a rule
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yeah kble itself the brand oh no well there's no I don't think there's a brand called kibble kibble is the type of food
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the little nuggets of food right so the kibble is the type of food so you get different brands I'm not going to see any Brands because I don't I want to
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call anybody out if I don't know but I've heard a lot about so we buy our big bag of dog food costs hundred and something bucks 100 bucks and we looked
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into it it seems to be at least one of the betters of the Kibbles now a lot of people are actually feeding their dogs
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raw meat now right it's a raw diet sort of thing like that expensive as hell but apparently very healthy for them no
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kidding I we we had a met a girl that had a great dane that she was feeding raw to every day and it was like 20 30
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40 bucks a day to feed this dog wow yeah yeah cuz he's so big and he eat so much
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right so wow maybe we maybe we should start feeding Nick Kibbles get them off
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of that get rich food you start giving them I'll bet you hundred bucks I'll bet
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you that quarter I Dro in the next quarter I drop in there that if you fed uh Nick that kibble that I give my dog
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over the [ __ ] that he eats now he would be healthier oh for sure he would be oh for sure I guarantee oh yeah you had an
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Apple today way to go Nick washing it down with what's that right there freaking Tim Morton singing M Jiggy
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there whatever yeah exactly look at anyways uh check it all out it's uh on
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Fisher canada.com podcast Network highlights the uh Under The Canopy is
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the show episode 54 if you want to find out what's good and healthy for your dog
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there s training toys and much more I did a again I'll go back to my dogs I did I took a course many many years ago
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on training uh laborator retrievers basically to uh for hunting for retrieving and all that stuff and it's
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and it's cuz you're seeing the cerss here I never used the GPS cers in that but the dog harnesses the training toys all the the dummies the guns the fake
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guns GPS callar what a great idea that is great idea think about that how long have they been you can't you can't lose your dog on that one I don't know how
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mean the they also have obviously they use shock collars and everybody uses that kind of stuff and there's controversy about all that I don't know
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if s sells that stuff or not but but there's all kinds of uh equipment that you use like there's they have those
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shoots in a pistol you and it shoots the dummy out there like that there's all kinds of stuff an actual like that thing
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they retrieve wow yeah it's cool boom boom and sometimes they do it out the field but anyway sales got they had a
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right sales at sale sales at sale there you go there you go uh in the news Mr
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Bowman what do we got this is a fascinating story I I mixed on this the story and I'll get into it a little bit
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the larg M bass a coveted catch for Anglers across Florida's rivers and lakes will now be known as Florida bass
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so let's start it out there's really there's two categories of bass probably worldwide of this large Moi we're not
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talking right okay but it you are in a way it gets further on down here it it it's it
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gets further on cuz there's really only two bass that I know of there's the Florida strain Largemouth and the
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northern strain Largemouth I think that's the only two largemouth bass in the world maybe you know what I mean now
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you're going to get confusion because black bass has been largemouth bass has
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been called Black Bass I know but that's and there's also people that call large mouth bass green bass and Smallmouth
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black bass there you go confusing in that part and that's but they're nicknames I believe I don't think there's anything nothing to do with the
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no I don't think so so anyways what's happening now is they want to change the Florida bass
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to keep they want okay so the the original larg Mo bass scientific name
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was micropor celm moids that's all large Florida strain Northern strain all of
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them there's look at roly poy with his giant Florida Street you know do I love that that's great picture
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my God so but what they want to do now is they want to make them a distinct species but they're putting the Florida
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Florida bass as the micropor Sal Mo and I don't know why they're doing that because I would think Florida bass is a
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very specific versus the northern straight or the rest of the world the bass no no the large
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mouth oh the the regular large mou the regular large mouth is not going to be considered micropus ner cans so they're
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making that name for some reason they're changing the name of the large M bass and they're not changing it of the of
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the Florida bass so they're two distinct yeah they're making two distinct species now yeah and they've done that before
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they've done the scientific world is weird because they've done they've changed the name of the scientific name of the walleye years ago right H they've
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changed it of the rainbow trout years ago and I don't know there's obviously science to this but there uh well I can
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understand maybe renaming something that that would they have to have a good reason otherwise why I mean why would you but in this case it's not just
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renaming it's it's dividing it's dividing uh a strain in in two separate
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pieces I don't get that at all yeah I don't I don't there's got to be I mean all science always has a reason so basically the southern strain is now the
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Florida bass and the northern strain is just large month bass basically which it really it always has been always has
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been like when you think about a northern strain anything but a Florida bass is uh a larg amount bass really it
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could be Northern strain could be down maybe halfway down the states or whatever it's I mean I don't know if there's a segregation of of latitude or
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longitude or whatever but yeah it's weird I don't I don't know why they they changed that for maybe we could look a little bit more into it whatever but
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there's definitely been a a shift in the large mouth worlds so and those bass that we'll be uh hopefully catching a
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few weeks down in the eastern part of Canada will be large Mo large bass correct large moth only they will be of
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Northern strain even though a lot of them came from Maine the state of Maine which is us I think oh maybe they're
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Southern no they're not they're all Northern St so what happens if you take the Florida bass yes and relocate it oh
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relocate it into a northern get charged probably get charged no they can they
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can only go so far north and then they won't survive apparently so from what and but there's also the X strain which
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is a Florida strain crossed with the northern strain and they're doing quite well and they're they're big they're
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they got the north they got both traits they get big like that the northern strain good strong fish uh live longer
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Northern strain larger large M bad live live a lot longer I think than than these guys I believe they do the FL
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strains so don't get as big obviously right I think the world world record non
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Florida strain is I don't even know what that is but I know the Florida strain is 224 you're just a wealth of knowledge
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just amazes me week in and week out just how much knowledge you've been able to
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to CR into that small CR I love the large mold bass I just think it's such a neat subject I've always from day one
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when I started fishing them I just said this is such a cool fish I I to learn a little more about it I just got to learn how to catch them now and uh for more
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large m m monitor did you point at him in the wrong place de what did I
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do um you can get all that on fishing canada.com uh we have new stories going
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up every day this is just one of them and by the way we're just condensing this story go to the actual story itself
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you'll be uh fascinated with the they also say one more thing I'm going to go on to this the two fish species visually
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look the same and are indistinguishable to the nakad ey that's not true oh because because you when you see a
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perfect Florida strain large mouth let's say they're both six lb 7 PB you see a
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perfect Florida strain large mouth and you put it against right beside in Northern St large mon of the exact same
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size usually there's a difference in book so whoever difference in whoever wrote this they can be the same so
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they're probably they're WR this they're not wrong is an idiot is what you're saying they're not wrong well did did
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Dean write it or I'm say SCI scientist wrote it scien whoever wrote it is an idiot I am calling that scientist out to
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say that it's not always the case CU there are times where you can definitely tell the difference that Florida strain
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right there you can see that's very much Northern strain looking is but look at the shape of that fish it's not like our bass really long and thin and but the
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the Florida strain can be a lighter color they have bigger blotches and they on that lateral markings not the lateral line those lateral markings are guys are
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dark green they're there more compact um there is a difference in some of them and you know this because because I'm me
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oh you were just telling me I have such a wealth of knowledge uh fan question of the week Mr
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Bryant from Ontario again via email and that's info fishing canada.com if you want you can do Facebook or Instagram as
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well well what are some baits SL lures that you have used that may be
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considered unusual weird or outside of the box so to speak from Kevin uh well
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for me it's easy uh I think I'm I'm going to I I knew you'd have something because just to let everybody know
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Angelo is not afraid to experiment in the boat like no Beyond ridiculous
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sometimes but just to let you know he's he's the man for that so go ahead what do you got for me is you know I'm going
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to go back to to our little mouse Mo um unusual in every sense of the word and
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um still a dream that one day we'll be able to bring it to the public and and be able to put it on door shelves yeah
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before we go hang up our rods or whatever they say uh we'll we're we keep
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trying but that would be the most unusual because it uh has real fur it uh
28:25
the tail you know undulates like nothing I've ever seen I think the closest thing that would ever come to the action of
28:32
that tail would be a handtied fly streamer you know in the current or
28:37
something like that right um that would be probably the most it's hard I mean
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we've fished for so many years it's hard to say what we've come across or tried or made or built right I don't know if
28:48
we've we've never really built a bait but if we I'm sure we've molded some plastic together with lighters and stuff
28:54
like that especially on the St Lawrence yeah oh
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Carolina rig that stuff that's like that looks like something totally ridiculous out there one the one that I I've never
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used but I'll tell you what this is one that everybody's going to be surprised with and it's it's uh 100% illegal that
29:12
I know of oh but it was used by people let's just say it was used by
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some people that were uh that needed a tip at the end of a
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fishing trip so gu obviously guides right let's say guides they didn't produce that big leg
29:33
trout that they needed to so the last day they said okay this is what we use for some clients if they want because
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they want to get a 40 lb Laker and I'm going to get a great tip out of this and they used what's called a what I saw as
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a grailing harness and it was this little cage it looked like this microphone thing going around it was a
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cage that they put a grailing in a liver dead grailing in and it had all kinds of
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hooks on the back of it and they drag it out behind the boat what I'm not [ __ ] you I saw this with my own eyes
30:06
I didn't see it in action but they showed me this thing it was all and it was the most bizarr looking it looked like a torture device had so much steel
30:14
I think Reno was with me maybe maybe Reno would remember I've never seen that it was the most bizarre and it had I'll
30:19
bet you it had eight hooks on it I'll bet you all over the place if a ranker comes anywhere near this greasy uh
30:25
grailing he's going to kill it he's going to eat you know what I mean so but I'm sure it's not even using this was 30
30:31
40 years ago sort of thing like that so a grailing harness yeah H it was bizarre
30:37
now that's a bizarre thing that uh weird or whatever you want to call outside of the box uh totally illegal 100% illegal
30:44
I'm sure it is I can't see why it would be illegal right so they just using grailing alone would be illegal probably
30:50
yeah for sure you know for sure but anyways that's uh that's one I've seen so there you go
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East at least the eastern part of Canada our good friend Jeff Wilson is on the
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show with us co-founder and host of the Mir Machi striped cup Striper Cup
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Striper Cup striper striper there's a new new stri striper bass uh and
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tournament angler extraordinaire and now going to be the MC of the big black bass
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competition coming up hey Jeff no way hey good morning boys how are you good
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how about you brother well you know sitting around growing Moss yeah Moss all over me I don't think so you are on
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the Move buddy you are uh wheeling and dealing I'm seeing I'm seeing you everywhere like what's going on are you
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are you uh have you I know what you just turned 40 didn't you that's got to be it
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this is your 40 itch so you've taken on the uh the big
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job of mcing the um International Event that's coming down in your neck of the
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woods here in a few weeks yeah um tell us about that first of all that's exciting we're going to be there by the
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way we're going to be right beside you you know yeah well that's great you know I mean yeah the the pan Americans are
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coming here for the 25th to 29th of September um and the boys gave me a call
32:55
a number of months ago to ask me to get involved and uh certainly with New Brunswick hosting hosting this type of
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event I was more than happy to jump in and and support the you know development of our fishery here in the province for
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sure as you guys know we've talked about that many times right je explain what the PanAm is to our so it's the Pan
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American Black Bass Championship so we I think we have uh 10 countries coming to
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uh here to fredon with teams of up to six to eight U boats um we have some
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local boats too going to help out with burying some of those guys around and um so it's it's an International Event uh
33:34
we got some great names coming oh my gosh I mean Team Canada with Bob isumi is a captain I mean I remember I was
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wearing diapers watching him because I'm only 40 as you mentioned as you
33:45
mentioned that's right right no I mean like these are Big names
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and Coupe Gant and Gussy Jeff gufferson the the 2023 bassm classic Champion yeah
33:57
and we also have the the latest champion Justin Hammer's also coming right oh really cool so he's on on Team USA team
34:05
yeah yeah yeah who else is on Team USA they got a pretty stacked team Scott Martin Jacob
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wheeler some guys you might never heard of had some hammers there for sure they'd be hard to beat for sure and so
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you know being Mari and they told me what was gonna happen I said well man we're gonna we got to really show our
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flavors here in the marathons when this is happening so when they asked me to MC and and help out I did and and you know
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I'm looking forward to just doing the very best we possibly can and and welcome people from around the world to
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our little spot in New Brunswick I think you know what the I think the location the people are going to be perfect for
34:41
it I mean the the as an and I have always said the East Coast people the flavor of East Coast everything is just
34:47
such a welcoming place to go right so anybody from the that has never been there before so these PanAm I'm assuming
34:53
it's even is it South America as well is it yeah so they're going to they're going to have a treat when they're going
34:58
to be and and and an and I have uh we now we tested the fishery too and the the SM fishery and it's insane so
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they're going to have some fun going to be nuts it's going to be crazy it should be crazy I'll tell you you know what I'm
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excited about though is and I know it's still kind of uh in the in the shadows
35:17
um I'm excited about the possibility of unveiling large moou Bass from new
35:25
brudwick to the rest of the world and and I say that uh tongue and cheek because it's not clear yet whether these
35:33
uh Superstar Anglers will be able to weigh in largemouth bass uh because of a
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bit of a quirkiness um that I want to talk to you about now next but I I I
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really think with that kind of intelligent fishing pressure that's going to be down on your neck of the
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woods I really think it's it's the time to let large Mo just blossom baby I
35:58
think it's going to be outstanding if and we'll hopefully know just before the event whether these guys can go
36:04
largemouth bass fishing or not but if they do I'm predicting there's going to be some some incredibly large fish weigh
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in incredibly large so yeah um so take
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us through this whole issue that we've got right now with large mouth in new
36:22
brunwick well I mean the large mouth have been here for over 25 years but um
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they've been been paid attention to by our scientists uh since probably about
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2012 I think was the first time that they actually documented any large mouth
36:38
here and of course it's always the bass Brigade that's moving them around but really it was the uh floods in Quebec
36:44
that brought them down back when the even when the muskies came that's how the muskies got down the river the same
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sort of thing but let's make something perfectly clear okay there is
36:55
nothing concrete that points to either one of those theories right absolutely these are all
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speculations we're we're saying yeah it's not me it's you and all that Stu we really don't know how it happened well
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we do know like the mes there at the top of the Woodstock runs over to Maine and Maine is full of louth I mean there's a
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ton of natural opportunities for the migration of fish duck seat uh you know
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all these kinds of things happen right but anyway they've been around so we they've done some studies
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uh and now they know where they are basically some spots so our proposal was
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look you're going to have some of the best Anglers we're going to do cre study every day if we get a large mouth
37:39
anytime we're going to Mark where it is so now we got like 50 of the best anglers in the world are going to tell you in three days exactly where the
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large mouth are in this River if we bring them back uh to Nack we're going
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to segregate them and we're going to be returning them to exactly the location
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where they were taken we know that the large mouth are mostly in arms and and
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you know bays and we kind of have a pretty good idea where they are so that's the plan uh We've proposed that
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um the province has been excellent uh to deal with they're open for collaboration
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and they understand some of the the benefits of that realtime cre study that we absolutely don't have and and so
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that's really important so I think we we laid out a pretty good argument um and they were very receptive so is
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the province the DFO or is it the province like your M&R or whatever you're well it's our DNR it's the
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provincial regulations what's the dfos do they say anything about this at all I mean it's in in land and all that so I
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don't know down here we have like a a maritime Fisheries agreement so it's
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kind of co-managed in that area and it kind of to be honest with you the large mouth don't kind of exist here so
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there's no regulation relative to large MTH right so in theory we could probably
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do whatever we wanted like um because there's no regulations you're not breaking
39:06
anything mou but but that's not that's not how Bass Anglers and tournament organizers operate right we operate with
39:12
the utmost conservation in mind so we want go ahead correct me if I'm wrong
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though one of the positive notes of the negative aspect of largemouth bass
39:23
fishing it's taken the pressure off of musky a little bit right yeah because up until now musky has been the invasive
39:30
species of choice that every salmon affectionado has been using as their
39:37
their whipping fish right I'll tell you what mean strip bass musky small Mo and now large Mo they're all getting the
39:43
[ __ ] kicked out and they're all like picked on like the it's unbelievable you know and I I I I
39:49
certainly don't mean to U you know belittle uh anybody who is carrying the
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Atlantic salmon flag you know up the Mir Machi and Beyond I that's fantastic and
40:04
everything else but man they're just looking for the next big thing to say that's what's causing our problem
40:11
instead of saying hey we it happened it for whatever reason if science tells us
40:18
that it's it's either cyclical or climate related then let's embrace the
40:24
new wave of sport fishing let's let's embrace the new source of Tourism
40:30
dollars to our community instead of poo pooing all of these wonderful game fish
40:35
that you guys by the way that you're blessed with the rest of us are are envious right you know I just I got
40:41
thinking the way the way you're talking there hand sorry Jee just for a second and I would say if you Ru reversed it so
40:48
if the Atlantic salmon did work well in like Ontario we would Embrace
40:54
that I'm just saying let's just say it's flourished they' have you'd have everybody out there after Atlantics they
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bring them on let's go great so it's kind of you got to open up a little bit
41:06
so well you know that I mean you guys have heard what they've proposed for the stripe bass oh my God it's ridiculous
41:12
and and you know it's like I'm just a believer in science I'm not the scientist I know some really good ones
41:18
and and 99% of them are so ethical it's incredible and so and that's our approach with the large month okay how
41:26
can we help you you're never going to get rid of the large mouth yeah if it's about education and moving them around
41:32
well then let's talk about that but first of all let's identify everywhere they are and then at least you can you
41:39
can now manage to that you know so that and then they're attacking that we got Zebra muscles now in the river um so we
41:46
just met this morning uh one of a hundred meetings for the Pan-American games we met with the decontamination
41:53
DFO group we had 15 people on a team's meeting about so all the boats coming in
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from outside of Canada or outside of New Brunswick will be decontaminated as soon
42:03
as they get here we're going to have decontamination site on for all the boats coming in out um I know you guys
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have reached out with DFO decontam guys for when you show up from ont R we're
42:15
getting we're getting both boats done and Nick we're going to get all three of them decontaminated and we got a little
42:20
bit extra time set up for neck but other take might take a longer quarantine period for him yeah yeah I don't know if
42:27
they have hot water but perhaps that would work per sorry guys it's um it's an exciting
42:37
exciting time I think for the province of New Brunswick I think we're going to get over all of this controversy all of
42:43
this negative press that these these game fish are getting I just think you guys are on the verge of an explosion in
42:52
sport fishing in the sport fishing Community uh because you know at the end of the day when you really look at it
42:58
it's it's um relatively close to a big number of people both US and Canada and
43:06
the opportunity to fish for all of these wonderful game fish in an environment
43:12
that most of us are not even used to having the pristine beautiful green like
43:18
all of that wonderful stuff that goes along with us I just think you guys are on the verge on the absolute Verge we
43:24
were I was on the water yesterday okay so I had to go out for a bit and um I don't know maybe got 65 or 70 smallies
43:32
but I was off the water by 12:30 and just doing a bit of prevision and we were doing the Nack down to the
43:38
dam and I don't know if you for the years guys 80 M hour up the head Pond up
43:44
to Heartland and Woodstock you guys were there we were yeah we were there so we have an event where you're not allowed
43:50
to go past that so forcing the boats in and I was yesterday had a great like
43:56
there's a you know how many bass we must pass exactly we said that an I said that
44:02
when we were there last time all that good looking stuff all on the shore and then every little hump and bump you see under the water loaded I just I I mean
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it was even I was shocked yesterday I was shocked even the weeds were just the
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mows like all a perfect seyo size no
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kidding millions of them and I'm like the bass you don't have a chance I don't know you know I caught one he spit up a
44:28
crayfish the other one had you know some grapy bom mustard on a on a nice
44:35
perch that's right too you guys are also uh
44:40
coincidentally experiencing an explosion in uh the crayfish population you have two different types of crayfish now that
44:47
are prevalent in in your waterways which may be the underlying science that's
44:53
leading to the growth of the bass population let's be it right um you're absolutely correct I
45:01
mean I fish for years in the McQuack area down that end of the thing you wouldn't like i' hardly ever see a
45:07
crayfish spit up I probably saw 20 yesterday see wow and up in Perth and
45:13
over like each the river's Reservoir right so you're talking the Lower River McQuack then up up in um above Beachwood
45:20
you go up to Perth and then you go up to Grand Falls and Grand Falls guys were up
45:25
last week boys were pulling five pound up in Grand Falls no way and they said it was just just incredible and I've
45:31
been up that way and Buddy um Tyler what's his name from Maine the elite
45:37
angler Tyler rivet rivet no yeah I don't know the guy from Maine anyway TR he's
45:43
coming okay and he uh he got a seven and a half pounder up there he said he weighed in so seven yeah oh my that's
45:52
just that's just a continuation of the St John River so those those crayfish
45:58
have been moving south like it just and as they do the fish are I think the diets are better and they're they're
46:05
it's it's not a coincidence we we experience a similar situation here uh
46:11
with the invasion of the goes uh in the St Lawrence and and and
46:16
Great Lakes Etc and our Smallmouth have just exploded I mean they're huge Fatt
46:23
watching the elites on St Lawrence is like okay you you don't you only get 19 lound yeah byebye bye-bye 22 lbs
46:31
something like that you're still not done you know oh I know it's incredible I'll tell you one thing I I I noticed
46:36
remember when I went up to the musky challenge that that musky tournament that they did there so we uh we had the
46:43
camera boat and we pulled in the shoreline to take a leak so we they Wonder somebody in the boat didn't want
46:49
to pee off in the middle of of the lake or whatever okay I wasn't there so I can't be blame for that one so pull into
46:55
the shoreline the pee maybe we did lunch too there I'm not sure but my point is there was I've never seen more minnows
47:03
in my life that were run in the bank like they were either minnows or maybe gas what do you call it gas
47:09
gas B wise maybe they were about you know about that biggish 3 4 in but it
47:15
was a constant parade of bait fish going by probably a 5 foot wide school for the
47:22
whole time we had lunch that it was like 20 minutes we were there and it was just we put the camera down and watched and and there was like literally millions
47:28
what we saw and that's one section of the of the shoreline and that's happen Conant it's happening we ran the when we
47:35
were musky Steve and I were Musky fishing down there uh a few years ago same thing happened we we saw this
47:41
incredible they looked like oil slicks yeah it was just massive black oil
47:47
slicks of of bait moving up the river the the the protein these fish have to
47:53
eat is just and that's why I say like you guys are on the verge of an explosion because because unlike the
47:59
rest of uh the country and maybe the continent um the source of protein and
48:07
nourishment that these fish have the freshwater fish because of the
48:12
connection to the ocean is unbelievable and and it's it's not just one item on
48:18
the on the menu like the beauty of your stripers for example I mean they've got
48:24
an open menu It's like a buffet for them of various types of protein and and
48:30
nutrients that they can consume and that's why they get so big and they're so tough and there's so many of them
48:35
well and that's the problem that for years mag quack they weren't Trucking those fish up and over they've they've
48:40
recently tried to increase that and people are paying attention to the nutrient source of the river I mean we had in the mar machine had unlimited
48:48
rainbow TR smelt fishery unlimited quotas as much as you can catch you can sell for lobster B and it's almost wiped
48:54
out now and so they go you know that's why the commercial fishery has to be in
49:00
tune with the freshwater fishery so that we have that nutrient Source going into the river and that's a big reason uh
49:07
we've lost a lot of Atlantic Salmon across Atlantic Canada is that we just don't have those we've taken all the
49:13
lobster bait and it's killed all the smoke stream for the salmon par speaking
49:18
of which maybe this would be a good time to transition and segue into uh you just
49:24
briefly mentioned it earlier on about the new uh strip strip bass regulations
49:29
that are in place now are they is it official by the way well it's been announced but they have to go to a
49:35
stakeholders uh thing in January they have to like you know they just can't go normally they have to talk to mean about
49:42
it and that's why it's not there yet they've started already keeping the stripe bass uh for lobster bait in
49:48
lobster traps as an experimental pilot which is you know like to take a $20 a
49:55
pound fish and use it as Lobster bait is is certainly a way for people that know
50:01
know don't know how to Value add anything is it is it legal for
50:06
somebody say on the Marchi anywhere any any Community a restaurant tour for
50:11
example is it legal for him to obtain a strip bass either angling
50:19
forward or through some I don't know commercial Enterprise somehow put straight bass on his menu
50:26
and and and feed it to his customers is it legal today I think I think as long as it's legally attained I mean what's
50:34
legally attained so say je angle for them but they the first nation's Fisheries has been going on for probably
50:41
four or five years now where they're allowed to get 50,000 fish and so they've been unable to even sell those
50:49
and now they've uped that to 175,000 well that's the point I'm trying to make okay because one of the things
50:56
that we we still find surprising whenever we come down to your neck of the woods we come full of anticipation of
51:03
enjoying some great Seafood meals at any little Roadside Cafe Restaurant uh truck
51:09
St any place where there's food Brewing we expect it to be Seafood look forward
51:14
to it right that's our part of our trip and it's not there it's much easier to get a steak let's just say that you know
51:21
hard to get steak and in particular stripers I I I I see it has a staple
51:27
even like fish and chips my opinion fish and chips in New
51:32
Brunswick should it should be illegal it should be illegal if it's not straight back that should be that would be so
51:38
good imagine fishing chips with striper oh my God it is good so why not why
51:43
isn't it happening I did speak uh to both um the folks that have the
51:49
commercial license and and a number of restaurants and having this the folks that have the commercial license have no
51:55
interest in in you know processing the fish and then so for them it's just get
52:01
rid of it one Fell Swoop I get my very low return but it's only two days of
52:06
fish and I filled my Nets I'm good and the that's for the bait and that's to
52:11
sell it as bait for lobster whatever yeah just get rid of it and then at the restaurants they tried they actually
52:18
wanted the access like the rods where you were and we had some great meals of strip bass and and if you remember
52:24
meeting Jim the previous right GM and his problem was to have is to have a
52:31
Supply right right so right in his backyard right out his window there's a supply and he can't do it he go outside
52:38
just hang a line out his window true you're good yeah but he's not the Fishman but he needed that Supply to put
52:44
it on the menu yeah to you know and and as you know they can do a great job of
52:49
cooking those things up because we enjoyed it oh my God it was so good it was so good so what's it going to take
52:55
to change that first off Jeff what's your I'm gonna ask you a quick question between that and then you go to that what is your
53:02
thoughts on the odds of this going through is like everybody out there is it gonna happen is it not GNA happen is
53:07
there any I don't know if you remembered this last January I warned this was coming yeah um I brought it up I to I
53:14
try to get people tked up we do have yeah uh a petition signed Now by almost
53:19
7,000 people uh that are against this uh taking over half the school uh in one
53:26
year we have a number of professors and people that you've met that are are very concerned about this move we have
53:33
started a new you know straight bass Association our plan is to try and raise legal funds to sue DFO because that
53:40
they're doing this without the scientific backing which means they should be liable for the damage to the
53:45
boat dealers the guides the hotels the gas people and that sort of thing on the
53:51
Lost income over time so and as well we will be able to go to the stakeholders meeting meeting which I've been on the
53:57
Eastern Advisory board for me many years and claim our case but at the end of the
54:02
day um if it was a scientific case we wouldn't be having this conversation
54:08
this was a political decision and which is reason why it has to be really the
54:14
best way is to file a lawsuit against them because they're going against their own science but to to what ends I I I
54:22
from a political standpoint I'm not really getting clear why increasing increasing you know from
54:30
50,000 to 175,000 um fish limits to a group that
54:37
is really not even interested in getting the 50,000 fish
54:42
caught what's the political benefit for for for this I don't understand the motivation this is the Atlantic salmon
54:50
Federation uh Lobby in the salon Bingo saying that that if we get to the stripe
54:57
bass more of our par the last few that we haven't killed off will get to the
55:02
ocean and so that's a Marmi River situation but there's many rivers in
55:07
Atlantic Canada that have no salmon and have no stripers so it's cause and effect and there's no scientific proof
55:14
that if we killed every s striper that the salmon would come back no and so the
55:19
political decision is is that we had a precautionary approach to the management of strip bass we had a meeting couple of
55:26
meetings got it all going and basically the salmon Lobby got it squashed and
55:32
we're able to bring in the commercial fishery folks as well as allies because they want this the they want to have the
55:39
blobster bait cheap and and and go after this so that the the salmon you know
55:45
it's all about the salmon they don't want to talk about the you know Gil Nets and and offshore towers and logging and
55:52
you know all the other things it's just a scapegoat and whatever it is and and
55:58
the science is saying you know we've seen this we've seen this before this happened in 1995 and we we wiped them
56:05
out in one year and and there were 175,000 fish and the next year there was
56:10
13,000 wow so I mean we're you know the writing's on the wall here if this goes
56:17
through and yeah and the only thing we can hope for is a political change uh it
56:22
was a political decision the coswick report that the that everybody was working on wasn't even delivered to the
56:28
minister before the decision was made so the science wasn't even in her hands to make it clear just so that we have it
56:35
right in 1995 a very similar if not exactly the
56:40
same quota was put in place yeah they the the school size with the same kind
56:47
of science that's used today the school size was 175,000 and in 1996 it was 13,5 500
56:57
which resulted in shut what caused it what was the direct cause commercial fishing over harvesting we know that for
57:05
a fact that's science that's there yeah and now and so and so I'm
57:11
assuming at some point somebody put their hand up said oh boy sorry it was me I I screwed up all right let's let's
57:16
go back to to I don't you know what to the Atlantic Salon Federation they're saiding yeah we diding good okay somehow
57:24
somehow wanted B came back though the stripers came back something must happen exactly it was a moratorium put in place
57:30
and they were added to the species at risk right so so somebody eradication of
57:36
species at risk in one year so somebody said okay okay I was just kidding let's
57:41
go back and let's save this poor little strip bass from Total Annihilation we were wrong we screwed up I I I'm a big
57:47
man I canm that so so they did that and then a moratorium was put on all fishing
57:53
whether it was commercial Harvest or Recreation it was shut down for how long
57:59
Jeff uh so we started work 10 years at the stord cup so we I believe it opened
58:06
maybe three years before the Striper Cup the moratorium came off okay so for a
58:13
recreational Harvest of one fish in the slot right and then it went to two and
58:20
it went to three and at the same time we saw the decline of the strip hyper
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population has been steady it went to four still steady and then now they're
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saying let's pull another 175 out of it can take it when DFO has no idea about
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the the young of the Year recruitment what the what it looks like we don't know if the models that we even used
58:45
were were were proper because we don't have the data in the young of the Year recruitment so if you're going to take
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half the school out in one year you need to have
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of recruitment right to replace it right and we have no data the only data we do
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have is from the United States which shows the strip bass are in super
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trouble down there yes and we've heard that we've heard that all along the Eastern Seaboard for that matter River
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Oak is a classic example how the populations have gone on a steep decline but you know rumor had it and I don't
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know whether it was science or not but you know the word was that it was a climate change issue and because Waters
59:29
were warming um a degree or two these fish started moving further north up the
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Eastern Seaboard and abandoning their traditional uh R and Oak River spawning
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areas Etc and made their way up to the gulf where they found cooler water and
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embraced the mirror mchi but what you're telling me that's all [ __ ] because the population of fish that we have now
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that Jean Pool was originally in the mirror Machi it just got annihilated in the 90s and we gave it a breather and
1:00:04
let it regain its s and and now it came back and now we're going to spank it
1:00:10
again that's what you're saying it's got nothing to do with the southern fish we got an email this morning Dean read it to me and it's exactly that there's a
1:00:16
biologist out the East that said that is horeshit that those fish are not coming from the rone Oak and and they're moving up at that say that's all [ __ ] yeah
1:00:23
we have DNA to prove it we take it at we take the DNA you see us at the Striper Cup every year 10 scientists there we
1:00:30
have I'm a Believer in science and when those guys tell me we can't do this we can't do this but here's my other
1:00:36
question why aren't we shutting the salmon fishery down like we we have a proven true that's true you want to
1:00:43
bring them back you want to bring him back I can show you what the success looks like for bass that's we know we
1:00:49
know it works so let's put a moratorium on all the salmon fishing for five years
1:00:54
why why not and and but they won't because um some issues relative to First
1:01:01
access issues relative the first access you can only like you have to shut the
1:01:07
whole fishery down completely before you can stop the food and ceremonial Fisheries so okay so why can't they shut
1:01:13
it down completely like they did the stripers back in the mid 90s you know that's a great
1:01:20
question um you know seems so argument from the Atlantic s Federation the
1:01:27
salmon Council the March salmon folks the salmon go fitter guyses is that they'll just get poached and we need all
1:01:33
those people on the river to make fishing them so we know they're not they're okay
1:01:39
oh oh that's a good one I like that so they carry around their 30 odd six with
1:01:45
them and their handguns and knives and Bo knives I'm going to take you out if you poach my fish okay yeah so but and I
1:01:51
and listen there would be an economic a huge economic blow to number of lodges
1:01:57
and and um certainly incredibly uh painful and so you know that's the
1:02:04
reason isn't it but are there that many seriously I mean we've been on the miror machine long enough now to know um the
1:02:13
impact would maybe be felt by I don't know a dozen businesses that they had some old
1:02:21
economic uh studies from back 20 years ago when they say it's 60 million 60
1:02:26
million yeah where the hell are they getting those numbers from you got to remember they quote Labrador and
1:02:34
Newland okay all right that makes sense because the miror Machi itself no so
1:02:41
yeah so DFO has a hard time doing anything that's River specific it's always managed of a of like a species so
1:02:49
you know it just gets down to bureaucratic and it's tough like I mean we started this Southern Gulf group on
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Facebook and we we got a strip bass Association we' got Charter started in mayor Machi Pei Nova Scotia New
1:03:03
Brunswick um we have some funds in the bank we're going to write thefo and get seats on the table the stakeholders
1:03:09
meeting I'm there now so I'll I'll present it we want you know one from New Brunswick we even have Quebec involved
1:03:15
there's 16,000 folks in Quebec the mar machete population affects Pei Quebec
1:03:20
New Brunswick cap Breton so people don't realize that that the impact of this if you're on you see people in pi catch and
1:03:27
strip bass at night they're having a ball the kids are out families are out it's it's better for thousands of people
1:03:33
and we're gonna say let's give these two guys 175 of these for a 100 Grand and get rid of them like it's it's you know
1:03:40
what that would make sense yeah hey Jeff we had somebody on the program last week and I've been waiting to to get you back
1:03:46
on just to to get this straight um the definition because there's sections of
1:03:52
the mirror machine that are fly fishing only and I'm making an assumption that
1:03:57
those areas have been kind of designated as the Atlantic
1:04:03
salmon hot spots so they don't want anybody in there with gear and hardware and and all that stuff right I'm
1:04:09
thinking yeah because first of all the only way you can angle for Atlantic salmon is with the fly correct y okay
1:04:16
all right now somebody told us last week that the definition it pertains just to
1:04:25
what's at the end of the line meaning the fly and that if I go there in those
1:04:32
areas that are designated fly fishing only I can take a big old spinning or bait casting outfit or whatever and tie
1:04:39
a fly on the end of it and I can have at it is that true yeah oh wow so you can't
1:04:46
have a weighted fly so if you can throw a fly but a great big I can certainly
1:04:52
get one of those big streamers that we use for Pike you're uh you're talking to
1:04:57
the choir there like I I when you go to when you go above the sunny Corner bridge for example in the spring right
1:05:04
um you know if you want to take a streamer fly and put it on your casting outfit and kind of troll a little bit
1:05:10
behind the boat and try and flip it a little bit like you're within your rights you're you're Fly Fishing what
1:05:15
about a fly below a float can you use a float not I don't there's some specific rules but that might be okay but I told
1:05:23
them I told them to Advocate like single br hooks is away um the problem is is
1:05:29
that that's called the head of TI like above the head of tide and so that's where those the debar zones like you can
1:05:37
go up there it's fly fish you only be here up there doy's Brook where ahe you fellas that Brook comes out that's the
1:05:42
demarcation Zone you know is did you did you say that is it single barbless on
1:05:49
the fly or no yeah single baras on the flly okay okay I thought they would I'm
1:05:54
not sure about bar list but I'm pretty I'm pretty sure yeah okay so single so
1:06:00
really I mean I'm not saying this should be the way to do it but the the way to clean all this misconception out with
1:06:08
fly fishing no fly fishing fly fishing zones you you can drag one behind a boat but you can't it's just to to go to a
1:06:15
barous single hook policy everywhere and call it a day yeah
1:06:21
that's what I've advocated particularly for both the St John River like when you go above the heartland bridge in July
1:06:26
1st it changed fly fishing only we'll just make it single barbless hook so so that the kids from Heartland to
1:06:32
florenville can go down over the bank with M and throw and throw a spinning cast gear in there with not travel hooks
1:06:38
like a single baress like a fluke SEO and catch fish and put them back right instead of trying to go down over the
1:06:44
bank with a 10 weight fly rod and a freaking two liter dip it then freaking get mummed down there untangling it in
1:06:50
the tree think about that think about that think about what you just said so this is really
1:06:56
uh this is an elitist group who are influencing the policy
1:07:03
makers saying no uh you can only fish the way we
1:07:08
fish and if you want to fish for these fish in these areas yeah that's really what it is because you brought the point
1:07:14
about Mom and the kid why are we penalizing them from experiencing the
1:07:19
wonderful opportunities on that River cuz that's what you're doing you're Comm IES um I've had that's I've
1:07:28
taken this to them I mean they've had this protection matter in place for 25 years so trying to get a committee of
1:07:34
Maritime fishery you know Ru makers to change the rule but um the biggest push
1:07:40
back is the uh was the first Nations they said no way we got to protect these last 42 salmon that are going over the
1:07:47
McQuack Dam like and so you know like I said look I've been fishing up there for
1:07:53
40 years and I haven't caught a salmon yet I don't think it's going to make that much difference there's only 42 left I the only other thing for us to do
1:07:59
is go get those 42 and call it a day then you what do you protecting then you see you see it's talk it's talk
1:08:07
like that that makes you and me look like neanderthals dragging our knuckles
1:08:13
good eating there though a Jeff there ni salmon burgers right there they're way better than V I can tell you that but I
1:08:20
mean you know the at the end of the day like we can have a regulation that works and and then and then you can have
1:08:27
people on the river actually trying to protect those salmon so we have a lot more in common really than aart It's
1:08:33
just sometimes it's a lack of communication understanding right uh First Nations where where do they sit in
1:08:40
all of this in in terms of the Atlantic salmon fishery well I mean the Marshall
1:08:47
decision back in the the you know set the precedent that they have first access in the moderate food and and
1:08:54
moderate but is it being monitored is do they have is there a a some kind of tool in
1:09:02
place that that that I'm I'm sure they would say ne it's never public it's
1:09:09
always a privacy issue with DFO um you know they continue to harvest salmon on
1:09:16
the mar Machi for you know their use their first access right right um that
1:09:23
is totally up to them I'm not involved in that at all I know it it happens it's happening in all the rivers we see it we
1:09:29
see the Nets and and all that you know it's it's it's a real shame I think
1:09:34
really that here we are going to destroy the stripers but yet we're trying to protect the salmon but we're going to
1:09:40
you know let's Harvest Harvest some too like I don't know it's it's it's a complex issue um First Nations you know
1:09:49
they get this right and and we should be working with them uh we're at the Pan-American we're we got a First
1:09:55
Nations team and right and we got the First Nations coming to do the wilcom on the will stu um you know I tried to meet
1:10:02
them to try and up the the value add to the stripers that they were allowed my
1:10:08
thought is if you have 40,000 stripers and you're the only place that means you have a monopoly on the commercial
1:10:14
availability of striped bass I'm like that's like a god right
1:10:22
right and so that's that was my approach to let's work through these things and see if we can I mean at the end of the
1:10:28
day they need to prosper and have revenue for their right their their
1:10:33
people and everything and how do we make that H you know how do we help make that happen if it's possible at all so we have way more things that we need to be
1:10:40
doing you know so I try and steer away from that as much I'm not a federal politician nor do I want to be one but I
1:10:47
can tell you that the minister of Fisheries right now like I'm not too happy with that bird that's for sure wow
1:10:55
have go back to that native thing um are they is there any restrictions on how they obtain them or can they spear them
1:11:00
net them do whatever they want you know you know we see pictures they can grade up below the bottom of the mqu dam and
1:11:07
throw out a big hunk of worm and spin her and come through there catch a stripers and muskies or whatever you want it's their right whatever they
1:11:14
whatever they want to do yeah okay it's their it's their right it's been decided by folks smarter than
1:11:20
me so you know it's not exclusive to Brunswick it's happening uh right across
1:11:28
and and you know we have we have we have I I will say plenty of friends that are
1:11:35
from that Community who don't believe don't they don't believe in in in all of
1:11:40
these freedoms and and uh um
1:11:45
contradictions with the conservation tools that we have in place right A lot
1:11:51
of them don't don't want it it's it's it's it's not you can't even say it's the first Nations as a whole no no it's
1:11:58
not no but I mean that's like saying Canada as a whole we're all liberal or conservative it's politics within their
1:12:05
framework that they have the right to do and and that's that's their that's their
1:12:11
bwag who am I to tell them they're right or wrong I'm just here to if if in some
1:12:16
way could help by value adding a great species and and and keeping you know I
1:12:22
just want everybody to get along and my kids to go fishing and everybody enjoy it which is all the same the same things
1:12:27
that they want so right right right hey Jeff is going back to Largemouth now is there any is there a lot of negative
1:12:34
talk towards large other the people that know I know it's very under the you know not a whole lot about it but what's the
1:12:40
negativity there or are they embracing bring them up it's uh this is strictly a uh really a a government driven agenda
1:12:49
um and uh a great fundraising method to get a lot of a lot of grants and money
1:12:56
for universities and studies and figuring stuff out on the maxback head Pond which is under um a revital
1:13:03
revitalization project on the dam that's worth2 billion dollar and again there's
1:13:09
a ton of politics and what are we going to do with the Fisheries we're going to put a fish ladder up we don't have a fish ladder there now which is the
1:13:15
reason we're in this situation and so it's so political
1:13:23
and as you're saying these things I can't help but think I'm I'm I'm seeing this
1:13:28
child this child that all of a sudden is getting all kinds of toys and doesn't
1:13:35
really know what to do with them yet because a child's not mature enough to really understand each one of the toys
1:13:41
and how they work and how because really when you think about it New Brunswick has been
1:13:49
so singular in sport fishing mentality that all of these new
1:13:55
species that are now coming popping into your lap and and they're all so new that I think the politicians honestly don't
1:14:03
know what the hell they're doing they don't know what to do with them and so they're they're having meetings upon meetings about these new toys and and
1:14:11
saying who knows how to you go room room you you throw this thing and that's what's happening with you guys you know
1:14:18
remember Mike Holland you guys met Mike who's a previous Minister and he got it he got it oh he understood excellent
1:14:25
right and saw the opportunities and said look let's manage for what we have here in the St John River let's make it work
1:14:33
and and he did a good job but when you really get down to it government is run by bureaucracy exactly oh if you can't
1:14:41
convince the deputy and the director of that department um you're not going
1:14:47
anywhere so that's the good thing with us at the panamerican we we had a meeting with the directors and the
1:14:52
deputies and Mike got like we finally get into the right people to have a conversation and one of the comments
1:14:58
that I did here after they uh after the deputy met with Joe Ford was he never
1:15:03
heard anybody really explain it to him like that so they really kind of saw the
1:15:08
economic potential and that's why they're being very collaborative on us being to weigh in these large mouth
1:15:14
because I want Scott Martin to his 2.4 million followers to hold a four pound
1:15:21
SMY and a four pound largy like that and put it on social media yeah and say I caught 200 of these today I only brought
1:15:28
six of them in you know and and so you know you folks are are are coming down
1:15:33
to do some filing and you know we got the Department of Tourism we got the right people thinking that this is a
1:15:39
great opportunity and we and we are seeing a ton of guides getting involved a ton of loges looking at you know
1:15:46
developing like nobody's guiding for Caribou white tailor here they were an invasive species as well right um is lar
1:15:55
mouth invasive yes because it didn't exist here before Smallmouth are
1:16:00
naturalized because we stocked them in the late 1800s stripers are natural
1:16:05
they've been here as long as salmon so when the Public's around they hear bass and Bas of they just they're not like oh
1:16:13
striper Smallmouth black bass Florida strain they're just bass and so right
1:16:20
the politics is uh great talking points yeah you know and and our politics is
1:16:26
all about talking points and making sure you look good on TV which is why I'm not in
1:16:33
politics some might say you should be my friend yeah I think you should be on that note uh as usual we've eaten up all
1:16:40
your time and uh we appreciate it each and every opportunity we have to get you on the show because you bring a a
1:16:47
refreshing different look at some same old same old problems so we appreciate
1:16:52
it man anyway thanks boys we looking forward to seeing you guys couple weeks
1:16:57
we got a big lobster boil at the Pan Am on on the Thursday night from you know
1:17:03
my buddy's from Patterson Marine actually yes and they're donating all the lobster should be great you guys
1:17:08
make sure we'll see you there for sure be there don't you worry about that one all the best my friend good luck we'll
1:17:14
see you in a few days take care Jeff Wilson from uh striper bass Fame the
1:17:21
mirror Machi Striper Cup which I think I think it's kind of the leader for
1:17:28
bringing the putting the spotlight on the that whole area including obviously
1:17:33
maely it's done huge for that a lot of eyeballs there now in that you know in the positive side of of the bass and in
1:17:40
general especially stripers but I think he's bringing in bass you know small mouth and now hopefully large mouth too so that's interesting to know thatth Ron
1:17:47
James was right the other day when he said that you can fly fish without using a fly Rod or
1:17:55
fly line or fly reel yeah yeah you could use really really light spinning gear like a Ultra Ultra ultra light or that
1:18:03
new BFS bait cast finesse system that might even throw a bigger fly out there I think but I think just bigger for
1:18:09
those stripers I mean you saw the baits that they they hit I mean why wouldn't they like one of those big pip sure for
1:18:15
sure that would work right you could whip that baby out on spinning for mile nice braid like braid on that
1:18:22
absolutely not get the fish in but you have fun in the process that's for sure
1:18:27
heway that's a whole new show I've got in my mind right now go up hey yeah yeah
1:18:32
test the theory test the theory that'd be good that would be really good anyways that are it folks we've got a run I want to thank everybody for
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joining us once again don't forget fishing canada.com the Gateway the portal to your next fishing Adventure
1:18:47
just uh sitting there waiting for you we're going to have two Lobster meals out there I just I I just realized
1:18:56
oh dude we're talking about not getting any Seafood out there well we're set up this time oo sorry okay go ahead uh no
1:19:02
now you got me off kilter um on behalf of the entire crew of vaa who's been
1:19:08
patiently waiting we ran into over time and so he's starting to knot off a little bit we got about a actually you
1:19:15
know when you really think about it boas's come a long way because originally when he first started with us and we do these podcasts he would fall
1:19:22
asleep on the couch right remember now he's been sitting oh he's got no couch
1:19:27
he say if he had a couch he'd be down yeah uh Volvo over there behind the
1:19:34
camera Nick just ran out of the room as we were closing the show he never stayed for a full one ever no he can't it's
1:19:41
impossible is it uh is it OCD oh he's got every alphabet you could put together problem he's got the entire
1:19:47
alphabet got the whole alphabet and of course uh our good friend Dean Taylor prod over there Dean's over there is he
1:19:54
well yes yes you're right move
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them thanks everybody uh Peter Bowman and B we'll catch you next time
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