Attacked by a Muskie!? Interview with Muskie Attack Victim | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 127

Name: Attacked by a Muskie!? Interview with Muskie Attack Victim | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 127
Uploaded: 2025-04-15T22:54:07+00:00
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[Music] and now another exciting episode in The Adventures of Outdoor Journal
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radio well hello there welcome to the program Outdoor Journal radio I'm Angela V he is Peter Bowman hi viva viva viva
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laiva Viva La I'm thinking of the Border baby Las Vegas
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hit 120 degrees yesterday no kidding 120 hottest day yet they said the city
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wonderful that's wonderful I wish I was there the city hotter in the in desert well no kidding one time I I tell you
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how much different it is I went down in August one time with
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Etso remember love we we rented uh a couple Harley yes I remember that intent
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was that let's go down and we'll you know get the bikes for a couple days and we'll go up into the mountains or we go
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over to the canyon whatever you want we we had no particular agenda right and it
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was August and the temperature the temperatures were in the mid90s
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fahrenheit and we figured you know what that's doable you know a couple of young
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with your Leathers on there young boys no there's no no Leathers of all that we so anyway we got the bikes and yeah it
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was like 96 97 in uh in the city but 114
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where we went I'll tell you what that's so hot when you're riding in 114 de Fahrenheit
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weather it is so hot that you can't go more than 20
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miles 30 km you have to pull over you dehydrate so quickly you got to hydrate
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you got to constantly hydrate and and and of course the heat is is exaggerated because of the heat of the motorcycle
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that you City got so all that heat is rising from the the oh wow but we had a
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good time should have sat by the pool and drank beer that's way Hydra the only thing I can tell you is that day rental turned into about a 6our rental so you
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know how much time we spent on the bike after that anyways welcome to the show a wonderful episode as per usual I was
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saying the usual cast of over there uh behind the camera uh Nick absent from a
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seat as usual and Dean our producer over on the board why is it that when the show starts Nick leaves he's usually
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there be boring the [ __ ] out of him there's got to be he's got to be boring you noce that he's usually there Milling
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around he's working with he's working play games on his exactly and then as
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soon as Dean says okay you know 5 four three I look around and he's gone he's count maybe that's his countdown that's
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Nick's countdown to get the hell out of here Final Countdown I wish I was
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Nick wonderful program though regardless of what Nick's doing uh because later on
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in the show all about Nick always about Nick that's what he wants he wants us to talk about of course of course uh we'll
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be joined by a father and and Sun team uh cue the sound there you go uh who are
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from uh California and they were recently visiting uh Quebec Canada on a
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bit of a a vacation and uh while they were frolicking in the water yeah as that
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music will tell you just when you thought it was safe to go in the freshwater little ponds kitties shark
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bite oaha right uh another exclusive on Outdoor Journal radio we'll have a an interview
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with Father and Son young Max uh George's dad uh and young Max was in the
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water and yes he was attacked by something that uh speculation has it that it's a Musky we're not really sure
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yet we'll be talking to them here live from uh California somewhere we're not sure can't wait to hear that that's
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another one of those stories man well it goes with the story of course we broke a story way back uh I think years ago now
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am I right Dean on that was it two years ago 2022 yeah from manaki area a couple
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from Manitoba were in the manac area and uh she that was a nasty one that one wow
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that was uh she got beat up good uh Kim driver got that was a Musky though they
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they saw that there's a picture of that I mean she got bitten like bad but what
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was interesting about this one is that that she's a full-grown adult and uh uh
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the the fish apparently dragged her under the water uh we're not so sure
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that this happened with young Max how how old is Max do we know is he is there an age on him I thought he was nine but
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nine years old like little kid uh fortunately the fish did not pull Max
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under the water but we'll get the whole story from them in a few minutes uh needless to say these attacks are very
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few and far between very rare the only reason we report them is not to in fear in people it's because of the uniqueness
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of it it's so bizarre so unique like we ant and I have fished our whole lives as as well as anybody listening and
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watching and how many of you have been attacked by a Musky probably zero maybe a couple at most you know what I mean of
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the of the millions and millions of listeners even saltwater fish I mean
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I've swam with barracudas in in the oce and fed them and and and nothing but
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sharks you swim with sharks fed sharks so I know it's it's just seems weird I'm
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not saying it's not happening um certainly the frequency that P said is
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is not there but we're always fascinated to find out we can sort of figure those
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we as humans though we like that kind of like if a tiger attacks a guy on top of an elephant you got oh I got to watch
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that on YouTube Hunter showed me that the other day it's like I got to see that what the you know so I don't know
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there something about it I guess people are there is that and I think in our certainly in my case I'm thinking of
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yours too we handle so many of these Predator fish oh God yeah you know whether it's muskies or Pike we handle
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we just finished a shoot in uh nwt where we were surrounded by giant northern
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pike and we obviously had to handle a lot of them for releasing them and never
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did I even they it never cross my mind as you're cradling this fish bringing it
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back to life and and helping it you know with the release never dawned on you wow
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this thing could B yeah yeah exactly no our hands were bit up but that's our own stupidity grabbing them wrong and they
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something they're not trying to bite you they're just thrashing and trying to get away right so but that just shows you how sharp these teeth are cuz you could
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imagine cuz we've all been you you and I have both been bit in our hands can you imagine when one bites you like
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literally takes a shot oh my god well based on the scars that we see that's a
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nasty setup of Scar from Max I don't know whether we have that image available to us there it is there it is
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there based on the scars I'm seeing on that one right there nasty that is nasty
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and look how big it is I mean it's yeah that's uh that's substantial so anyways
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uh all coming up here very shortly before we go to any of that we just want to remind you a little bit of
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beautiful embroidery they're really nice like honestly they're so sweet but there's all kinds of goodies there when
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been uh uh other than commercials been ripped out yeah it's been just it's better for you you don't have to watch
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commercials so there you go and who doesn't love fishing Canada commercials by the way I mean I watch them all the
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time right I don't watch the show I just watch the commercials I don't like those two idiots on there to be honest you remember the great commercials we used
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to have on that show the ones we produced I like that mercury one we did with the the cutouts the MUSC ones were
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great mus great quite a production for sure right we used that Coleman's were
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great back that's when I I don't know it a different era and I don't want to sound like I remember and but I do
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remember when the creative content um was produced based on the
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program that was airing the commercials and not just us I mean everybody was doing it it didn't matter what the the
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show was they would actually theme the commercials to dovetail with the production what a novel idea hello
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agencies that are listening I see so many stupid commercials out there now and just in regular television there's
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so many I look at them and say this is the dumbest thing i' ever seen and then all of a sudden they'll be a good simple funny one that you just go that's a good
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advertisement you know what I mean it just you remember the jingle you remember everything about it so you know you know what it comes to my mind when I
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see those commercials that you're talking about those dumb commercial I say to myself somebody had the balls in
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a big agency boardroom to pitch this concept to a client and say I have I got
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a great idea for you and then of course they would do and then they say is what do you think isn't it
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great the client doesn't want to Hur client doesn't want to hurt their feelings okay nowadays you can't hurt your
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feelings so go ahead with that we'll spend a couple million on that no problem anyways I'm just saying just
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saying uh they used to be great uh so that's it fishing canada.com Gateway
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cuz I know you like to pick on me afterwards as long as we talk about the comment you see well we're going to go
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to listener feedback right that's coming up here now a listener feedback Mr Bowman what do we got yes we have from
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at Sask angler 24 via YouTube we've had that name before it sounds familiar Sask
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a lot of people use the Sask skat tuners there all like to put
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sers hey sasuna hey what's up ladies you got to remember that that's a best scene
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ever um SAS angler says I guided at brabant brabant uh for brand it's called
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it's really braon well the owners told me it was I asked them because I wanted to be correct when we were shooting
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there I understand and uh the owner is straight English he's strictly English it doesn't matter he's the owner and therefore what he says I agree with bra
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he says b because it's bband Island you know that Madame how okay we're in nwt I can
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understand it if I go east to Cornwall I can understand how we need to pronounce things every we're in the Northwest
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Territories for Christ sakes how much how much farther away from Quebec do you want to be before you can start saying
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stuff the way we wrote it they're not that far there's a plane ride you know away that's the only problem I say is
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that Brahma is because I have uh relatives Brahma so there's surpr ra is
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there any group of people that good old Gordy Bowman didn't that was Rita that yeah oh
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so she's a bit a part of your two then oh Rita knew how a party there's lots of peoples in this family you guys Bowman
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are everywhere on this planet they come out of the woodwork I imagine when the Bowman are related to the bons that
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doesn't make sense does it that looks like Bon I an for a few seasons about 15
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years ago I lived in lived in Northern Saskatchewan ever since and fished many of the most famous Pike lakes in Canada
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and the McKenzie is still the best pike fishing I've ever seen there you go
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there you we said that did we not on our podcast that from when we when we were right
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there on on the docks we said there are many great Pike Fisheries on this planet
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and we've been blessed with the opportunity to fish a lot of them from coast to coast but I got to tell you
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something I got to tell you there's a lot of other things wrong with where we were fishing on the
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McKenzie but it ain't their pike fishing CU it is world class what was wrong with
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it world class other things oh we lost power we had
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it's it's daylight uh uh with the exception of about 3 hours a
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dayl we had uh you know all kinds of cold weather we had wind we had you name
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it all we had all of that stuff and yet I got to tell you even through all of
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that the pike fishery that they have there I would love and we apparently did not get it at its peak no the day we
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left the two days after we left they just pound well they turn on the day our last day there and then the boys just
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started really railing into them I can't imagine when they're when they're hopped up I can't imagine I thought about this
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the other day it's kind of like it's almost like our steel head runs here in in Ontario or even in maybe in BC or
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that where they come up up river to spawn then they go back out to the lake you know what I mean so that's kind of
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like what these [ __ ] doing and that's you get the best of the best the biggest females biggest males are in there doing their thing then they they re except for
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one thing they got teeth no there's that too two things the odd part about this
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whole thing that we experience there is that unlike our steel head or salmon or
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any steel head or salmon even you know the original West coasters they go into the river and they go up River against
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the current going up mhm this was the opposite these fish are going with the
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current into the river yeah and then they have to fight it to get back into the lake so mentally I try I I was
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wrestling with that Pike are a little different you know they're different for sure animal right so it's all about sex
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it's always about sex though when you think but you would think that the majority of the Pike in that area they don't give a [ __ ] Bud if there's some
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women in there ready to go RTG ready to go let's go boys let's go down with the
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current we'll get down there nice and quick who cares but they're not thinking they're not thinking they're full of
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energy and strength and in top Prime condition floating down the river and then they
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sex themselves out they're all beat up and full of pain and suffering and now they got to fight this current going
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back [ __ ] no not again I do this every year I keep forgetting oh God anyways a
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very strange fishery but it's so awesome it really is I mean if you could sit there if an and I could have sat there
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for you know two weeks and really dial it in it would have been absolutely uh
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unreal the fish you would have caught so even the pattern even the pattern that we were fishing is odd yeah for pike
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yeah totally totally you're thinking spawning back Bas uhuh right main river
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main river current rocks edges uh so where we were fishing for the most part
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the current is Flowing either into a ledge or alongside the ledge constantly
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flowing and and I'm assuming the spawning was taking place just above I
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think so in about a foot and a half 2T of rock that's what it looked like and
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they we were catching them right on that edge which The Edge dropped into four five ft that was the pattern Solid Rock
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little bit of weed here and there but Solid Rock but the amazing part is that the current is flowing into it I I don't
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even understand what the hell they were doing there yeah it was weird but it was they were post spawn so maybe they did their spawn thing and then just drop
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right to there feed up like crazy maybe that thing is shooting all kinds of because it's a river channel right it's it's the the route so you don't think
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they respawning up in the show think they responding then they move out to that and then say okay let's recoup first place and eat eat eat and then go
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yeah maybe maybe that makes sense bizarre it was bizarre cuz I think they don't they have to spawn in Weeds like
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Pike and musky do they not have to drop their eggs on weed so they don't go down in the substrate and lose the eggs or
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something like that but I don't think there's much mud and Clay there it look like just rocks just rocks so maybe they can get away with it there drop them on
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the Rocks just like Walle do yeah maybe and I don't imagine there'd be an awful lot I could be wrong on this
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one because I usually don't think of other uh Predators there too but so they
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drop their eggs I mean one of the reasons they do them in Weeds and and shallow back Bays is to keep themselves
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away their their eggs away from other fish that might be moving in and and
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eating them up on those rocks if there were no weeds and they were just dropping on rocks you would think and
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I'm thinking panish and stuff but there are no pan fish in there they can't be so they're probably safe you know all
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scattering their their eggs All Along The Rock top I know Walley when they they try to find Rubble so the the eggs
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go between the Rocks so they're protected maybe that's what these guys do there in fact where we were fishing for walleye that's probably what it was
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right it was all Rubble both remember both shorelines were rubbly and that's exactly what was happening there and by
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the way did we mention the Walley fishery on uh on this River I'm sure
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have it if it wasn't for the fact that the
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pike fishing was such an incredible experience we' probably be babbling on
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about the great Walley fishy around the MacKenzie River yeah right even Peter at the lodge doesn't even talk about
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the if you want in an evening yeah do but our Pike yeah it's uh freakishly
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good so any thanks for Sask angler 24 uh via YouTube that was great that was a
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good one uh for those of you who didn't know this in fact is a podcast Network yes we are the Outdoor Journal Radio
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podcast the show uh but it's all part and parcel of the network one of the
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programs on the network is uh well relatively new although one of the hosts has been with us from day one yep uh
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called Untamed Pursuits and it's being highlighted on the network give me a hell yeah now yes sir Stevie uh in fact
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they just uh dropped episode three um their guest was Tyler Dunn who
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we've worked with Tyler is an awesome dude great guy fantastic angler and a
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guide extraordinaire by the way uh uh these are the two hosts of the show
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uher here and uh and uh I'm sorry Jamie Jamie Jamie Pas that's right Metal Head
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Metal yeah he's another knucklehead Metalhead he's a Knuck right you got that right um Tyler like Tyler done
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there yeah it's good I haven't heard this one yet but I I can't wait to hear it because I now I know Tyler and he is
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so Avid so passionate um from anybody that I've talked to that has hired Tyler
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and we've recommended people to Tyler and they all Rave about this guy um he's multi species living in Sue St Marie he
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he does all the river stuff of course do he go outside in the Sue area to to fish does he yep yep and then but he does all
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the small legs he does and nippan trips every year he does nippan trips by himself with his buddies and he got up
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there if you want to go on a guide trip up there so that's that's a you know a bit of a track from Susan B so and he's
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getting very good he'll he teaches fly fishing he do gear fishing uh he he pretty much does it all bass he's really
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good does bass Turners with him in Adam Valley so he knows his stuff like he's one of those guys that just knows his
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stuff you know what I mean I was just thinking about something I don't know how I don't want to get you off track
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but if I you know me if I don't come up with I'll forget it in a minute there was a great TV series that was out maybe
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some of you recall it I don't remember the name of it unfortunately it I think
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it was produced somewhere in Europe it wasn't a us-based show although they did
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a lot of work in the US where they took guides from around the world and each one of these guides were at the top of
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the food chain in their particular area and they would put three guides they
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would pit three guides against each other every week on an episode in a part of the world where yeah no and and now I
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remember the actual so every week they it would be a three-parter every episode
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and one episode they would have to fish in the home range of one of the guides so the other two guides were at a
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disadvantage and then the other then they' go by so so by the time they were done they'd fished in all three areas
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that the guides were familiar with and they would rank each other to see who was best at at adapting to conditions in
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those areas where I remember something about that was it was it on FN maybe World Fishing Network it sounds like
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something they it was spectacular it only I think it only uh lasted for one
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season too expensive that' be hell of an expense right CU they had a good job of it and all the travel and they were all
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exotic things that they were doing was great anyway sorry I just thinking because I was thinking of Tyler I was I
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was scar we should take Tyler uh we should take Jamie and all the other guides that we've worked with put them
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competition that' be good that would be good we know enough guides we could it be Melting Pot of great talent I'll tell
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you that right now so anyways that's the uname Pursuits the latest uh episode number three from
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their podcast and it's uh they're doing good they sound really good to doing great uh we'd appreciate all of you uh
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giving them a hand obviously the way the podcast industry works we need people to listen we need
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people to download and we need people to subscribe so if you go to U Untamed
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Pursuits and give them a listen and uh help them out give him a thumbs up give him something uh come on now uh
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subscribing would probably be the best would not hurt R never hurts y kitties never hurts in the news oh boy harmful
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substances in soft plastic lures risks for Anglers and the environment so first
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of all I I want to uh come out and say this is not new it's not something that you know oh my God what's going on in
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the fishing industry this has been going it seems like every DEC it gets new life I remember in the early
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80s obviously it hasn't been taken care of yet right by the sounds of oh because
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ultimately what happens is that um when push comes to shove two things number
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one the industry players that are involved I'm talking to plastic made companies are pretty significant
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significant group okay and they do have a significant amount of resource to
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resources to push back generally these concerns are brought up by folks who don't fish folks who don't use the
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outdoors folks and I dare say and I don't Don't make me say it tree hugger
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is that you're going to say oh I wish you hadn't said that cuz it just yes oh my I'll say it for you every
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time buddy I'll volunteer every time so what happens is that it gets a little bit of momentum and then all of a sudden
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the other group comes in says whoa whoa whoa where's the science and that's us where it breaks down right good
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qualified honest good in the science although this story you might want to check it out does seem to have a bit of
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science involved um in fact it was published in science of the total environment and uh
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it's an interesting story because it does talk about some of the harmful side effects of dumping I don't know whether
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they talk about the tonnage involved but every year as Anglers worldwide we are
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probably responsible for dropping tonnage of chemically chemically built and
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engineered uh baits yep yeah not even not even on purpose that means you lose a plastic worm you lose a you lose a you
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know a soft stick bait it just comes off your hook and it's going to the bottom of the lake right how many of us
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actually think at that point I know I don't I still don't I can read this story 100 times you get pissed off you
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got to put a new one on [ __ ] give me another one but I don't say oh oh darn
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hey Pete can can you see if we get over there with the ball maybe I can jump in and and pass off let's go you know I
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like you don't think we don't think that no we don't for sure we don't but these Critters and we all use them each one W
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look at them look at that array good picture there Dean and Nick or whoever that's an oo over there those are oos uh
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wow look at that actually St king that's all Strike King stuff is it yeah well it
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doesn't really matter the brand I you know everybody everybody I I did some
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experimenting one time in our aquarium back in the day when we had this big 10,000 gallon freshwater aquarium in our
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building where we were producing shows and so we had a chance to go and see how
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Predators react to certain things and one of the things that I used to like doing now in retrospect I probably
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shouldn't have is I would feed them various plastic baits oh really yeah just to see how they would react
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and if they like them obviously if they were you know poing I wasn't to use that bait the water so mostly for color and
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texture and taste and there were a couple that they actually thought was food and they would eat them out and uh
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wow eat them up and eat and shoot them out a couple days later so poop them out
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yeah yeah yeah yeah one of them is is the Amel Motor Products I mean those things are to them as food you could you
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could probably that way right that's what they built it with all proteins in it and amino acids in it to imitate real
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food but unfortunately most of them are not good for them but they will attempt to eat them swallow them can't expel
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them out the front side can't get rid of them from the other side and it does become I've heard like I've heard U
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people opening up Lake throat uh and having you know like a Sanko in the in the belly of it and it's just it some
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say that it'll never come out some they say that they won't poop it out if it's sitting in there for more than a few days it's stuck in there somewhere in
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the intestine doesn't break down yeah it doesn't break down so that's the problem right that's what they're looking for biodegradable is what every the perfect
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Ru would be biodegradable there was a product that came out in the I said this happens every decade in the mid 80s it
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was at at a high I mean the environmentalists were right on top of their game and and they were bringing
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the whole world uh they're getting their attention on this issue and a really
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smart company took advantage of that for a brief little moment little window in
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time and they came up with a totally biodegradable bait I don't know whether you remember it or not they I remember
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something took shapes of you know they had at the time one of the culprits was
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uh Uncle Bucks um uncle uh I remember
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that pork frog right right remember the POR Uncle Josh pork frog right and they
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had different shapes of these pork frogs they were apparently not good for the fish but the pork frog would that' be
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bad it's that's pork that's actually I know but but it's the skin and it doesn't break down and those big chunks
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fish like those those big you see them in the fall the great big giant chunks they were the best those so this company
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decided to make a product that was totally biodegradable was like 80%
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water and and they cut them in the shape of all of these very popular profiles
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like like the Frog and all that stuff and they would put them in a jar with W some kind of liquid water apparently and
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and if you took it out of the water it would shrivel up to nothing which means that most of the
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time once you use it and then you put it on the deck you put the rod away and get another Rod by the time you go back to
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it it's gone he done yeah so they tried and it didn't work they put tons of
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marketing dollars behind it too because conceptually it was fantastic when you put them in the water they would puff up
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were fish eating them like at the time when they were I tried them I tried the hell out of them and I'll be honest with you I kept going back to Pork yeah it
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just seemed to work better maybe it was here maybe maybe we didn't give them enough time I don't know that could be
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your pork well we had to keep them wet too remember we had the Little Pork sleeves we had dry up you have to keep them all wet up or they all dry up all
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day but this I wish I could remember if you if if you're listening out there and you remember the name um let me know I'd
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be curious but anyways it was tried and uh and didn't seem to work anyways uh
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this news story that's in the news right now is pretty fascinating if you want to get yourself in the know about the
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effects of plastic baits I'd like to know the companies the brands that they did they examine 16 common models I'd
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like to know the brands maybe the study Dean you know anything that they they didn't name anything they didn't yeah
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usually they don't and stuff like that right but I wonder if we could dig into it deeper or something I'm going to go on a limb if we're talking you know the
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top 10 companies that are putting that would represent the Lion Share of the product
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that we're putting in the environment obviously uh Berkeley's got to be the as
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close to the top as you can yamamoto's got to be right up there with them I would say those twoand Strike King is
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another one they all I mean they're all and in the in the mind of the fisherman as an and myself they're excellent they
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work so well they're great I don't know what the you know the biology is to them and the plasticizers etc etc but I'll
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tell you what they catch fish valet oh thank you thank you nice prompt
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part of the uh the the study scientific study uh had results that were quite
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alarming uh 10 out of the 16 baits that were examined released various
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plasticizers including no unharmful phate phate all
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right that kind of sounds a little bit kinky that girl there the way she saying that she had she had a little something
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in the end of that it might turned into something nasty that thank you uh
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anyways it was a a 61-day observation period that they played around with this stuff uh in addition 45 other persistant
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mobile and toxic plastic additives were detected so it wasn't one or two but
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45 um opinions I guess at this point might be U of Interest
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um I'm a hard one to really sort of get excited over this because like I told
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you I've gone through four iterations of this already in my lifetime in this the
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fishing community and um I have yet to
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see even with science I've yet to see
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and I'm you know I like to experience stuff on my own I've yet to see the tangible results negative or positive of
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introducing plastic baits into our environment and I've also
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yet to see where where it's so obvious that there is like tonnage going in
32:44
every day because I don't see it that's that's my thought my thought just when you were talking there was the same thing as on a on a good day of bass
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fishing you got you and I go out bass fishing we have tons of plastic parts
32:56
laying in the bottom of the boat the boat in the boat we don't throw them in the lake so we throw all kinds of how much of that actually goes in the lake
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not much honestly how often do you lose you know your Seno breaks in half you break you throw it in the bottom of the
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boat you put a new one on maybe a claw off of a a plastic you know jig trailer
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maybe one of the claws comes off but you rarely the rest the whole thing doesn't come off ever no um and you got good keepers on hooks now that add even more
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stability to keeping that bait on so like zman I I I can't see how a fish
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should ever get a zman off cuz can't get them off the hook you know what I mean and you can't break them he grabb a claw or he stretches a mile before it cares
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an inch so you know what stretches more you can say that joke if you want
33:40
do you want to say that joke oh I don't know but yeah it's religious kind of my
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my uh my thoughts there too even for Walley Anglers who use a lot of plastic grubs like how often do you lose tail
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even the tail stay maybe a little tiny piece off the tail and then you take it off put it in
33:59
so it's not very that's what I mean I have yet to see I've yet to witness
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personally the evidence that would uh lead me to believe that it it's an issue
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it's an issue only in the sense that they're right they're absolutely right the the the results are you know
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scientific proof that that we are leaving some chemical something uh from
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these Spates in the water there's no D but I I guess from a personal standpoint I'm not convinced yet that it's even
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it's it's almost negligible to me in my thinking wonder I mean it's the same deal with lead lead version don't get me
34:40
started on that they're doing all the deal with that too everybody's against us they're all against us and they're not with us anymore and where's that
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lead thing coming from oh the tree huggers California going to California California
34:55
California is where you ought to be so he loaded up the truck everybody's got to use tungsten now right Hills that
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is movie stars Tas team that's where it starts and from there it spreads like a
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cancer yeah and I'm a I mean I my favorite way of bass fishing is Plastics I love throwing plastics it's my deal
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right jigs or Plastics that's it's the way I love it so it's a tough one for me to move off of that's for sure so and
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we're going to move off of it now as a matter of let's go right to hopefully we've uh helped or not helped I don't
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know sometimes we help people sometimes we don't I feel like some like we're psychiatrists sometimes what we say
35:34
Works other times it doesn't it doesn't always work for everybody just remember that take everything we say with a grain
35:39
of salt I just had a thought here I want to go over before before we go to the fan question it's a little tip it'll end
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up being a tip and you're going to you're going to [ __ ] your pants when I tell you this no way yeah so up at the friend we did the shouty air Liv last
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week up at the French River go ahead what I I was going to go on something else but you're going say you're going to say no way you're going to say how
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does this happen sh long story short vaa and Dean are shooting the lodge we get
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there vaa and Dean are shooting the lodge I said boys I'm going to take the boat out make sure everything's working I'm going to take a little Scout around I'm going to map some water around the
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lodge etc etc boom boom around like that long story short I find a beautiful little spot that I say hey wow look at
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this I put the put the power poles down around around the lodge yeah not too far from the lodge you know through the cut
36:22
you know that Little oneway Rock there through there and then out that the channel down you know I just pottering I
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never sto we just no no no and I and I seeing bait Galore on the garments and
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I'm just wow this I'm loving all this drop the power poles down I'm looking looking around I see some shallows some
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wood now I say maybe I'll see a large mother I wasn't going to cast I'll see a large mother right pull the poles up drop the trolling motor in put the on oh
36:46
you dummy you got to turn the dial I spent the dial on there nothing I am not moving a millimeter not moving a m and
36:53
I'm freaking out now I think what the hell's wrong with my trolling motor look down the prop was off of our trolling
37:01
motor gone gone so these props are held on you have a little pin in there that goes
37:07
through the shaft that holds up from spinning and then you put the prop on you put a bushing on you put a washer on
37:13
a lock washer on and a nut not a nylon nut a nut you put on when you put them
37:18
on you crack them good and hard but you don't want to overtighten it because you can put the prop against the housing and then it rubs right so you just make sure
37:24
it's there the only thing left was that pin that pin somehow stayed in there it was spinning around that pin was there
37:30
now thank God we had a spare prop in the boat or I was ured okay how does the pin
37:36
stay there I don't know how that pin stayed there but it stayed in order to lose the prop it means at some point the shaft was spinning yeah or and and once
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that prop the nut flew the washer went how does the pin stay it was stuck in
37:49
there enough to not get rid of it and did you have an extra pin just in case no I had I had everything I had
37:57
everything spare and but I went back to the U to the dock and I asked the boys
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do we have a nylon nut that matches this thing and to put a nylon nut on and it seems to be good so far but I've never
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had that before so I'm but my point is if you run an electric motor a lot and you fish with electric motor bring a
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spare prop and all the nut and everything cuz that trip could have been ruined when did we when did you decide
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to pack a spear prop because because we we had them ordered when our big G order so I said well it's not too in the
38:27
office let's put her in the boat right thank God so did you go back to the spot that you
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wanted to fish no you never went back and no it could have been an omen like
38:38
you could have found the honey hole of the upper an omen that I didn't get all the way out there and then the prop was
38:45
who knows where but anyways it was just a it's just a it blew my mind how I've never had a prop off is it possible I'm
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just throwing this out there that somebody maybe maybe when you parked it at a gas station he Dean I said that
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didn't I Dean we stopped up the uh right before one of those two one of those
39:06
really crowded places where we buy our cigars and all that stuff like that there was guys all over the place they were Milling in the parking lot there
39:11
was dude fishing dudes but I can't see fishing dude stealing a prop like that maybe he's an [ __ ] but not these guys
39:17
that are the reason I say that is because last time we used that boat it was perfectly fine yeah
39:23
and I don't it just seems weird that I just my head was just like thought what
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the hell how did that happen like those those bolts backing out of our Mercury motor that one time exactly they didn't
39:36
happen on their own exactly there's stories to the stuff something going on they're sabotaging us I'll show those
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fishing Canada guys it was Leo Leo got me hi sorry Leo I love you
39:51
buddy anyways carry a spare prop and all the gear with it including the P nice tip nice tip I like that we should be
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charging for this see you're right why are we giving this away this is gold because we have our people that are with
40:04
us here these are they'll pay for it they'll pay for wisdom like that they'll pay for the t-shirts and stuff like that
40:10
let them pay for the t-shirts and we'll give them the Nuggets like that so okay speaking of nuggets uh fan question of
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the week that that see some people get confused right including me by the way
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no yeah yeah because the earlier we t talked about the listener feedback
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listener feedback so and that's because it did not end in a question mark is
40:34
that correct yeah it's all about the punctuation so it's got to have a question mark okay all about the punctuation it's all it's all about the
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question mark all right so this week we have one with a question mark MH yes and
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it is a question I ask a simple question it comes from uh Jordan Del pal from
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Ontario come on pal pal that's the way you say it it's not PL it's ploto
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PLO Pluto p uh dell Pato from Ontario
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Northern Ontario I bet why is that I just got a feeling with a name is that
41:11
French do you think that name is French no no it could be Italian has ever seen that could be uh anyways uh he uh
41:19
submitted a question uh via Facebook or Instagram I'm not sure via email yeah he
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emailed that so there's three three ways of getting to us Dean oh there's more than that yeah oh there's more than three you can do it on YouTube on the
41:33
website get us anywhere wow um Jordan wants to know what's the best way to
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remove a hook a fish has swallowed without hurting the fish obviously he wants to know what's the
41:46
best way to remove a hook that the fish has swallowed Mr B by the way my chair is squeaking I thought you were farting
41:53
I thought you were passing better I know I wish I could lay claim to that but I can't it's my chair we need to get uh
41:58
going to say your come on now answer the question
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well if it's swallowed so I'm assuming he's talking about if it's deeply hooked in the
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throat swallow is swallowed right in swallow if it's swallowed you got to cut your line I think yeah the only way you
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can do it is get your scissors in as far as you can so you don't leave a big tag hanging out either and then try and cut
42:21
that and clip that line and then Hope from mother nature takes care of business you know but what if it's that
42:27
Hook is on the end of a $25 bait well you split ring it off or
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something that's pretty tough though is that yeah isn't it or not I'm just asking these questions I mean it's fine if it's a single hook you cut like the
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musky Anglers are the best at this they they carry nipex tools that just you cut
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the all the steel away from it there's a little bit left over and then that usually gets rid of it like that so you
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can cut away if you have a pair of side Cutters in your boat not many people carry that but there you know you might be able to slide a cutter in of some
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type like that but if it if it's swallowed the the more you hack at it
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you're going to kill a fish oh without even if you're if you're at the point where
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you've handled that fish enough to know that that Hook is so deeply buried that you got a problem chances are you got a
43:15
problem already in your hands right yeah yeah one of the things that uh keeps rearing its not so ugly head in our
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industry it's a notion that we have been talking about for at least 40 years it
43:29
keeps coming up going away coming up and going away we recently experienced it in
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Northwest Territories and that is maybe and I'm not suggesting this be the case
43:39
but maybe barbless hooks might be a bit of a solution to some of these tricky
43:45
but make it a lot easier for sure because then you can just back the hook out by pushing it back in yeah they come
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out very easily when you do that it's it's pretty amazing how easily they come out but sometimes too easily lose your
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fish of a lifetime too right I know well but that's delicate you know balance that we face as Anglers right right I
44:03
mean mean you're I mean the other thing about it it's it's accidental most of the time but I fished with somebody not
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that long ago and they were waiting too long with a bait and that fish literally
44:14
try to swallow it like that you got to kind of know get a good feel for things and the more you fish the better you're going to get at this but when you feel
44:20
that bite you know a couple seconds at most for some you know for for the most part and set that hook you don't want
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them to SW SW it and eat it like that right so we've had big crankbaits swallowed before sometimes just sucks it
44:34
in and and they when they suck it in that's what they do they literally Hoover it in there and it goes way back and then you're you know you can't help
44:39
that for sure that's on the initial hook set but there is a way like if if you I don't know if you see this on online and
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YouTube or anything like that but if the fish has got hang for a second Nikki's got to leave apparently he's got to he
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came I didn't even notice he actually came in and sat in for a couple of minutes now he's got to leave uh see see you nick uh Nick you just interrupted my
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uh my whole monologue here there a bunch of
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[ __ ] so if it's hooked in the and you can see a lot of times you'll see it in that like the meat of the of the the
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throat but you can see all the hook the hook barb has gone through and you just know it's way back there deep that's not
45:20
good but there is a way you have to know what you're doing you can take your pliers and you can go in beside the Gill
45:25
plate not in the gills you go in beside the Gill plate and beside the first set of gills very carefully and you turn the
45:31
hook around cuz you need room that's the problem when you put pliers in the mouth you can't turn the hook you can't invert
45:37
the hook around so it comes out it can't turn reverse that way you can do it you get it right and you can pop it like that and then you just take it take your
45:43
thing then you can either grab the hook cut the line or you can try and take it through but you're better off just cutting the line pulling out and the
45:49
fish so many times that's a Twan job yeah but it is doable it is doable it is
45:55
and you're right because at that point if you do nothing yeah if you rip out it
46:00
he's going to you're going to bleed point it might be worth taking a shot at you have to learn that
46:06
one it's going to be somewhere along the line we as Anglers are going to have to make a decision on um on you know what
46:15
is the threshold between pure enjoyment of what we do and the safety of the fish
46:22
that we're do you think we'll see it in our lifetime barous completely barous really yeah I think so wow yeah wow I
46:30
plan on hanging around for a while I don't know about you I mean I'm not going anywhere for couple days yeah at
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least so I think it will happen for sure because at the end of the day
46:42
uh we I know with uh with Pete and I I mean if we inadvertently hurt a fish and
46:48
harm it God forbid kill it when we're not fishing for meat when
46:53
we're not fishing for me for CCH release it uh it's devastating it's not
46:58
devastating we had a we had a fish just recently um that we had spent some time
47:04
on Reviving in wte and and we thought once we had
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revived it we thought it was had swam away and it didn't it came back up so we
47:17
went and got the fish again and worked with it again she did SW away yeah eventually yeah eventually finally a lot
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a lot of work but it's important to us uh it's funny because
47:29
um it's it's once the fight is over like you have more I care more about those
47:34
fish at that moment in time than I do a lot of humans that I know you
47:41
know so uh I think it's going to be uh incumbent on us to figure it out if we
47:47
want to keep getting the The Rush that we do from fishing and that was a barbless by the way that a bar that
47:53
shows you that sometimes even that is not the best so Jordan hopefully we've uh We've answered your question if you
48:00
have uh something in particular a little more detailed maybe you could write back into us and let us know we'll see if we
48:06
can address that but now we also have to concern ourselves about fish that want to hurt
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remarkable well maybe not as remarkable as as a couple of years ago this is I think the fifth one that we have uh been
50:16
fortunate enough to report or unfortunate all kind of remarkable in a way right absolutely you and I have been
50:22
at this game and and in the waters of this uh country and especially this province for many many years and we've
50:28
never had it happen to us never heard of it never had it until you know uh these things start popping up yeah uh joining
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us now from California we haven't found out where yet in California we'll find out here in a minute uh is George and
50:40
Max mandal hi guys welcome to the program Hi how are you good good uh
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thanks for joining us first of all where are we uh in California we are in Los Angeles in Los
50:53
Angeles okay time yeah uh um you were up here in Canada recently and maybe you
51:01
could just explain quickly to the folks what you were doing in Montreal in Quebec sure um well we just took a day
51:08
at the um the local Beach uh um in park joho pardon hey that was very good for a
51:16
California I'll tell you buddy not bad at all better at it every time I say it um uh and we were swimming on this um
51:25
what was it called man what was that thing called aquazilla aquazilla it's like this INF inflatable playground they
51:32
have there um it's sort of like if you think of like a bounce Castle material like on the water with trampolines and
51:39
little was this right on the St Lawrence guys was it on the St Lawrence River or was it separate from the river itself in
51:46
the park itself a little body of water or yeah yeah it was a man-made lake inside okay the par which I believe is
51:53
on a man-made Island yes I'm not entirely sure how all that stuff is laid out but I know there was an F1 track
51:59
right next to where we were swimming oh cool right on yeah um and uh so we were
52:05
just hanging out there in in the water and um next thing you know Max is getting attacked by something um and was
52:13
pulled out of the water with a bloody leg and a bunch of uh bite marks and lacerations on his leg um he was treated
52:20
by an incredible team of lifeguards rushed off to um Children's Hospital
52:27
and treated in the ER there with stitches and antibiotics and way was like real
52:34
surprised no no kidding so max you're you're you're playing around you were
52:40
standing in the water at the time you weren on the the floatzilla or whatever right you were just swimming or on the
52:45
beach or walking or what were you doing well they give you these life fests and I was just floating in the water right
52:52
next to okay so you were floating in the water top water bait I think thought he was a top water bait fingers big bu bait
53:00
coming up so you were floating around and uh having fun and playing and and and laughing and and then tell us if you
53:07
could what happened next if you can remember that that moment when you knew there was something going on it was just a flash of pain hitting
53:15
my leg oh God just something jabbing into it really and then I felt and then
53:22
I felt something slash it two times
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yeah and what did you do did you hit it did you try and beat it off did you know
53:33
I couldn't see it it was so fast with so much pain so the life card just pulled me out they wrapped it and then they
53:39
took me to like this room where they just keep people and then they rewrapped
53:46
it and then they called the ambulance yeah and then the ambulance wrapped
53:54
it wow how did did did you have to call out to the lifeguards or were you just screaming in pain and people knew what
53:59
was going on or how did that happen I would I was just screaming in
54:05
pain and they just they just swam over and plug me out yeah they knew the lifeguards are trained obviously for
54:11
hearing stuff like that and panic and etc etc George the farthest thing from your mind at that moment obviously is
54:18
that is that there is a living organism below the water that's biting your son's
54:25
leg I mean it's it how do you make the connection how do you I'm just trying to put myself in that position because it's
54:31
like I say the farthest thing from your mind it's not like you were there saying okay we got to watch out for these big
54:36
Canadian fish up here they're going to bite me yeah like take us through that process with the minute that you had to
54:41
turn on the The Fear Factor as it were yeah yeah um no it was you know zero to
54:49
60 instantly I mean I was um weirdly when he was kind of like yelling in the
54:55
water at first I wasn't super concerned because he had actually had trouble getting off like onto the dock a couple
55:02
times earlier in the day and the lifeguards had already kind of been grabbing his life vest and it was very
55:09
cute they were like grabbing his life vest and pulling him out and placing him on the dock just to like help him get
55:15
out so I kind of at first thought it was another one of those but what what
55:20
clicked was when they pulled him out and he was like on the float still like
55:26
wiggling around and screaming and you know thrashing and stuff and that's when I sort of was like oh you know this
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ain't right up and you know you know that's when the nightmare sort of began
55:39
I I ran over looked down at him he was he was screaming like I have not heard him scream before and yeah his leg was
55:47
just like gushing oh my God and ended up how many stitches Etc when there was all
55:53
a sudden done fortunately it was just two because I you know I've been I've been tracking Other Stories on online
56:00
and um a lot of them seem a lot worse like I think I just read one that was 13 yeah I
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read another one I believe on the fishing Canada site that was 28 I think Kim Kim driver uh was her name in out of
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Manitoba yeah that was a terrible bite a nasty one what do you guys figure happen there
56:21
I mean you've come up with a million different uh ideas I'm sure sure on
56:27
first of all what it was um how big it might have been why why would it have
56:34
just come in took a quick bite it sounds like it was like a flash it was like a second or two and then it just let
56:42
go have you come up with some theories to give us some the audience some ideas of what what's going on in your
56:48
head yeah I mean I I I've obviously been somewhat obsessed with this since it
56:54
happened you know been trying to figure out because I'm not like a I don't go fishing I'm not like a you know I'm not
57:01
like in the community right right so I don't this is all like sort of like we were just like two civilians
57:08
swimming and um this um I think from what I've uh from what
57:17
I've asked people about what I've been told what I found on the internet um and also we've been on the news a few times
57:22
so like there have been like experts who've kind of chimed in and I think my
57:28
understanding of what probably happened is that there was a Musky in that water
57:33
that uh attacked him thinking his leg was food um as soon as it bit into his
57:41
leg realized oh no this isn't food this may actually be a threat you know he Max
57:46
starts thrashing around under the water the fish starts thrashing around under the water so the the fish releases the
57:52
knee and then I believe has and you guys could inform me on this but I believe
57:58
has like sharp blade likee Parts on its body oh yeah that protect it its gills
58:04
or other you know important um functions of the fish that that like if it's
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backing out of an attack it's going to thrash around and those things are going to slice whatever is in in the way and
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so when I look at his leg and I look at the injuries I can see like bite marks and then I can see what look like razor
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blade slashes right wow the Gill plates probably think I don't think a Musky has
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a shirt like a walleye does but I don't think a Musky does it could have been all done by teeth you just didn't realize it was so fast but their teeth
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are incredibly sharp and they're not round and pointy they're like a shark tooth they're like a like a angle like
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an arrowe head you know what I mean and just like razors like that so it just touches something and it'll cut we've
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been cut so many time by Pike and and the OD musky and their teeth are the exact same and they are nasty so it
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probably was the teeth that did everything it was all the cutting but just in different manner what he was thrashing and moving and you know
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getting out of there maybe I'm curious who came up with the conclusion that it
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was a Musky do you remember um I I have a a friend who
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fishes in Minnesota who uh who's been fishing for his whole life and he's
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caught all sorts of things he he thought it was a Musky he thought maybe somebody said Pike I think one of
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the lifeguards said maybe a pike and I presented that to him and he said n they don't do that he didn't think this was a
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pike he thought it was a Musky um and now in the news we've had a few people
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I'll tell you their names if you want there's um I've got maybe you know you probably maybe
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you know these guys I don't know um Michael Lazarus oh yeah Mike Lazar is
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the best musky guy in Canada in the world right there so that sounds credible yeah he's
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very credible and there was another
1:00:03
one he he suggested and this is from CBC he suggested
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that uh he said the fish has probably been in the Basin for years and will never bite
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another human again um I don't know about that but
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yeah he said he said he said muskies are plentiful around Montreal even though the lake where Max was swimming is
1:00:27
man-made separated from the St Lawrence River by a series of filters right Lazarus knows there are
1:00:33
muskys in it he used to catch them there before it was close to angling 20 years ago okay so there's fish there's
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definitely musky there okay here's a weird thing though this is this is what's kind of uh Tri me up is I spoke
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to someone at the park um uh and she said that that man-made lake is drained
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at the end of every summer and refilled at the beginning of the summer um and
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they have a series of like Vault doors that open and close with filters on them
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yeah so and she was like the only water that's left in there after we drain it
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is extremely shallow and it doesn't seem like there would be no and it would freeze for sure it
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would be frozen most of from from November till probably April so see if
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that's the case my thought would be somebody put that musky in the water that year year if in fact it's a Musky
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well what else is it I don't know it's not a pike it could be a pike that's the only other thing it's probably not a pike like M said there's not but if it
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was a Musky somebody put it in because it was not going to survive the winter as you said as both you guys have said the lack of water the iced up and that
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the only way that musky could get in there is somebody did an illegal transfer yeah possibly you know Max do
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you you do you remember if it tried to pull you under at all no no I just came in quick little boom
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boom and gone there was there was no tug-of-war kind of going on between you no it it was very fast yeah right wow
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luckily Thank God now how do you feel about that Max are you are you uh can
1:02:16
you wait hardly wait till the next time you jump in the water or you a little bit are you a little bit nervous about
1:02:22
getting back in the water talk to us about your feelings on that into like any of those like rivers or lakes
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anymore none of those kinds right okay till it's he till it's like just regular
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like everything is heal like the stitches have dissolved
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yeah but you also you know Max what happened to you is like almost like once
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in a lifetime kind of a thing it's like winning a lottery it's like winning a lottery it's like honestly it's that odd
1:02:54
it's once and done so I I don't think you need to worry about it you know ever
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happening again there's a positive to it Max though when you show the girls when you're later when you're like 18 to 20 years old you're going to go hello
1:03:05
ladies check out the story here and you're going to show them the scars and you're going to be able to tell them a good story that's going to get you
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somewhere some in like buddy have you had a chance to talk to your buddies yet about
1:03:17
it um a few of them what do they say they think it's pretty cool yeah yeah
1:03:24
for sure that's quite a story sure crazy story uh George tell people what you do
1:03:29
for a living oh I'm a a film and TV editor where here in Los Angeles nice
1:03:38
anything that you worked on that we would be familiar with um do you guys
1:03:43
like Mel Brooks oh I love Mel Brooks yeah so um he recently last year we
1:03:49
released history of the World Part Two no way I didn't see that that was that was that was my work no I'll have to
1:03:56
check it out I love part one I think it it it's it it it um has a different name
1:04:05
at least the the CBC called it something else but I I learned that that was the French name for it I think it was like the Mad history of the world or
1:04:11
something like that oh wow cool is it available on like a Netflix or anything like that now do you know or can we see
1:04:17
it's on Hulu H okay Hulu y we'll check it out yeah cool how long you been doing
1:04:23
this oh um probably somewhere between 15 and 20
1:04:28
years oh nice great great career wonderful career good for you and uh can
1:04:34
you just quickly tell folks what you guys were doing like Los
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Angeles Montreal quite a gap there what's the purpose of your visit to
1:04:45
Quebec well uh Max's grandfather is from Quebec and uh likes likes to show off
1:04:51
his his homeland to his his family and you know have us hang out with you know
1:04:56
the relatives and that sort of thing so it was family visit um but we also just love Montreal it's such a nice break
1:05:02
from Los Angeles you know it's a walking City it's easy to get around people are
1:05:08
um not much nicer have you it's a nice city it really is have you been to this park
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before you guys not to this park no we've been to Montreal before but not not to this place so is a first are you
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going to be going again I really like the park I think we'll probably skip the
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beach IM whatever that thing is I don't know I can't imagine why uh
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listen it's um first of all thank you very much for giving us your time I know when things like this happen you're
1:05:41
inundated with calls and people who want to want time from you and we appreciate you joining us for us it's interesting
1:05:48
because we've kind of made a point of following these stories um through the
1:05:54
last few years just to see if we can make some sense of it because listen we've spent our entire lives in the
1:06:00
water on top of the water fishing for these fish releasing these fish handling
1:06:05
these fish we've never ever felt for one moment that any of these Predator fish
1:06:13
that we have engaged have ever had the thought of attacking a human being so
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we're fascinated by by these things because they're just totally totally out of char
1:06:26
so many times we've we'll take a fish and if it needs good Revival just hold it at the side of the boat you're not even thinking a Musky could grab that
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right I mean it could grab that easier than a leg when you think it would be a better Target but we're just nonchalantly doing that for 30 seconds a
1:06:39
minute whatever it just takes to get that fish better yeah it's kind of a it's it's weird it's odd that's for sure
1:06:47
so when it does happen we want to we want to see we can get some information and hopefully be able to put together
1:06:52
some kind of reasonable uh answer to the many questions that it
1:06:58
poses because I think it's still musky I think it's all musky attacks I think I just it just seems that way they're just
1:07:04
that nasty Fearless Predator so if you guys since you're not fisherman very quickly musky is one of the only fish
1:07:12
that Anglers catch at least 50% of them beside the boat and these fish come attack attack The Lure beside the boat
1:07:19
and they don't even care about a you know a 20ft boat beside them they they are fearless of that kind of stuff so a
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pike will not do that as a rule the the odd one has been caught like that but not very many and now most other fish
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are you know almost afraid of uh of boats and that so these muskies they are a Fearless Predator they are the apex
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predator in our water for sure so I mean I don't think there's any doubt in anybody's mind that regardless of what
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it was that the the creature was acting out of instinct it was trying to feed
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right and at that moment from where it was it thought that Max's leg was food y
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right I I don't think we can we can look at this as anything other than nature at
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its uh at its best right so and unfortunately or fortunately Max was uh
1:08:08
right in the center of it Max is the center of attention now you see he's the big deal yeah anyways guys we really
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appreciate you joining us uh Max uh get buddy get well and get back out there
1:08:20
yeah yeah don't stop swimming because of that buddy no for sure you'll be good uh and thank you very much once again for
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making yourselves available wish you all the best and keep on coming up to Lael provance and uh have a good day having a
1:08:33
good time for sure thanks so much for having us on it's a pleasure to talk to you guys and and try to you know bat
1:08:40
some of this around we're we're so curious yeah no kidding if you find anything else get back to Dean or
1:08:46
whatever get a hold of us email us or call us or something like that the more you find out please you know yeah same
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same if anyone sees the podcast and is like oh yeah yeah
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perect yeah all right guys thank you very much you take care of yourself thank you see you
1:09:02
Max wow crazy story yeah it it it um
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it's a lot of leg attacks too right the lady that Manitoba lady I think was a leg attack well that's because that's
1:09:13
what's sitting there either hanging in the water or whatever I do hear of the attacks when people are doing with their
1:09:19
hands like you know off a dock they say oh they got attacked by the the odd time but but not I mean it's so rare good God
1:09:25
it's so rare this one in particular because of the circumstances of where it was where it was man-made apparently
1:09:33
according to them um drained every year that's drained every year so it's not a
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fish that's been there for 20 30 years approximately a meter so 36 in musky it's old it's an older fish it's not a
1:09:45
one-year-old fish you know it can't be come in there through the filter somehow get up high and be 36 Ines in a year
1:09:51
ain't going to happen there's a lot of things here that don't quite yeah makes sense right yeah so well regardless I
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mean it's uh it's something worth keeping an eye on and we certainly will do that we'll add it to our collection
1:10:04
once again that was uh uh George and Max mandal from California another another
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fish bite another biting story we can't say everything positive but we don't know nothing about it let's be honest the other ones we've known you know it
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was either musky somebody saw we we knew the size here it's totally unknown yeah
1:10:24
little kids in they estimated 36 I don't even know where they got that maybe from the bite marks if there was a if there
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was a a rounded bite mark on it maybe see to me that seems small you know if I
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was a if I was going to guess based on the bites that I saw that one particular
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gash on Max's leg I would say that's a much bigger fish than 36 I mean 36 is a
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relatively small musk that's not a big musky no not a big at all so you look at all the questions we have already and
1:10:52
it's just uh I mean it's just ongoing yeah same anyways that are it folks I want to thank you all for joining us
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after the story how's that maybe maybe I'm figure out the entire team of OA
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thank you behind the camera Nick was by the way Nick did the research on the story which is kind of thank you Nick
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and of course our producer uh Dean Taylor Mr Dean Mr Peter Bowman I'm Manel
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Biola thanks folks we'll catch you next time [Music]
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