The Status of our Moose Populations | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 143

Name: The Status of our Moose Populations | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 143
Uploaded: 2024-12-02T18:34:53+00:00
Duration: 1 h 38 min 3 s

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[Music] all I'm hearing the last few years uh I would say probably about 75 to 80% of uh
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my buddies that do hunt Moose I would say 75 to 80% of them are leaning
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towards the fact that you know they just don't see as many moose out there therefore they don't they're not as
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successful in their Harvest and then and then I talk to others say man this is crazy I I had an opportunity you know
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last week to probably shoot 12 moose and I didn't do it you know what I mean Jerry is one of those guys really yeah
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so like can you give us an idea if you're at liberty to to discuss this can
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you give us an idea of what the numbers look like out in in this province in terms of moose but I can tell you that
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um and I Al I always wondered why there was a calf season to begin with like
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like does it does that Not freak you a little bit me then and it behooves me now that we're still even talking about
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it so you know it's it's it's interesting and I'll give you my opinion and I it may be wrong but um obiously
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the ticks are a problem they're a problem for everything people walking their dogs Dean walked his dog five 10
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ticks every morning on his dog you know what I mean like that so it's it's getting out of hand so I'm just I'm
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wondering the next stage if they find that's a problem yeah it's a it's a pretty challenging one
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Outdoor Adventures well hello everybody thank you for joining us finally
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finally The Rock has come back to Toronto OH no the journal has come back
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to asua the dirty schwa here we are back in the what I'm cooking give me a hell
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yeah hell yeah another wrest boy we're in the wrestling roll we were talking about Vince McMahon earlier oh my God
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look at us go it has been a long month it seems oh my God we uh we spent uh 3
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weeks in the eastern part of Canada shooting the last of the fishing Canada episodes for the year and now here we
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are back home longest road trip in memory I I I'm sure we've
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had as long maybe back in the Outdoor Journal television like a double trip like a fishing Canada SL Outdoor Journal
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or something like that maybe but I think this is the longest fishing Canada Trip for sure in probably in ever you know
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what I mean d 20 20 days on the road woo and I got home my dog didn't even know
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who the hell I was hi buy do you know you know you're getting old when oh
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[ __ ] when I wake up every day you know you get an old when you go on a three- week road trip and not one I definitely
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not one evening did we ever just sort of hang out have a few drinks and smoke a
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cigar and just uh chill yeah in 3 weeks yeah not once we were in bed whenever we
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could finish dinner and get the hell that he had that little smoking area at the Delta but that was no drink we did
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one night behind the Delta we had a beer and a cigar did you the Delta yeah you weren't there but we remember I wasn't
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invited to that you were there you pad sure I don't remember that the big chairs all those all the chairs along
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the river he's claiming innocence right now Steve Steve you and I for sure oh yeah yeah we did and those big chairs
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yes those big chairs see is it ironic that I was absent for that night is it
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just like what happened there it must just it was a timing thing right it just we got kicked out of the pool area
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because that's where we wanted to smoke our cigars so we got kicked out of there so I don't yeah it was just a we just had a a moment where it was a beautiful
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evening it was the the weather was spectacular and uh we said you know what we should have a beer and a cigar and uh
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and we did so we had a poker KN too yeah had a poker KN in noos we had a poker oh that was a crazy one oh my God some St
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I'll take it back I'll take it back I was on the road and did not participate
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in any of this fun and Mart that obviously when I'm not there the crew seems to enjoy
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the truth will come out sooner or later and uh and that's it and went to bed at 8:00 every night we stayed up a little
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bit later just a bit slightly slightly and I was up uh at the crack of 4:30
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every morning we didn't have a Fuente that whole trip did we NOP not a one we never do that in a
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20day we never did that wow our Tor is not even gonna like us he hates his
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right my customers are done oh well no I'm lying I'm lying I
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did have an artudo uh with uh Randy from Trailer Park uh pat pat roach Pat roach
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and I uh had a have a on Aro yeah yeah did he like it he must he was oh Angelo
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he says I can't believe how wonderful this tastes if you know uh who we're talking
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about Randy on Trailer Park Boys he was down um in New Brunswick uh doing the
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same gig we were doing and so we got a chance to spend a bit of time with them and talk a greaty totally opposite Pat
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roach who is the the actor totally opposite than the character Randy from
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Trailer Park Place totally totally totally I bet you they're all opposite I
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bet you bubbles like bubbles is such a a character but there's no way he's like that in real life you know what I mean
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and and would Julian be drinking a shot of rum every second of his life sort of you know what I mean so can you imagine
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can you imagine uh he was telling us Pat was telling us about an annual fishing
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trip that he did with bubbles and uh
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Julian and Ricky and Ricky now can you and they would go away for a week if
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they were in character that'd be the best fishing trip ever imagine
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I would I would pay for that oh hell yeah I would love to be a part of that that would be the most exciting thing uh
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I think I could ever do yeah that'd be a good one especially if they stayed in character oh my God oh my God the Ricky
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isms that would come out of a Fred fishing trip oh my God uh anyway anyways we did a we did a podcast with um Pat
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when is that airing it's done it just aired yeah oh it's aired already by the time this is out it'll be aired like a
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month ago oh my God I losing track of time here we're in the future so we're in the future right now so we're in the
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future so you've seen that episode with they they put that out when you went to bed at 8:00 you were up at 4:30 but that
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news had already passed it's whole news to you right so you know one of the favorite things of Vince McMan his
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character did love Vince I led it what he said you're fire you're fire and I
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want to do that you know what though you might you might want to watch out for stone cool remember he used to stunner the bastard right in the middle of the
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couldn't fire him cuz he's laying on the ground there give me a hell yeah that's right Stevie stunner Vince MC I just
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wanted to do that so bad just he look at them you're fired it was so the first
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time you ever did that was so classic I can't remember who it was but it was such a classic moment in wrestling I
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Vincy was so good man a wonderful program we have for you today when we finally get on track and get moving
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here I like that free-for-all stuff don't you think what you say look negative no I think we up seven minutes
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of valuable entertainment I'm sorry seven minutes that probably the best entertainment they're going to get in
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this whole podcast right there uh joining us later on in the program uh somebody that I I'm going to ask him but
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I believe him and I have done uh similar interviews in the past when I was doing
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radio holy moly and I remember I remember a few times he was on a show
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talking about the same very subject that we're going to talk about today his name is Dr Brent Patterson with the ministry
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of natural resources and Forestry and at the time we were talking
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about uh moose populations declining not declining up down who knows how are we
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going to count them we got the right count and uh also uh winter tick was was
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on the on the script all the time so sounds like a smart dude I think it's the same Dr Patterson that I recall from
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back then we'll find focus on Maman Predator praise systems I like Mamon that's a great word Mamon hello there
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what do you do I'm a Mamon Predator administrator oh my God what a
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great title eh uh he he will also be joined by Joe Northrup who is uh also a
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research scientist with the Ontario Ministry of natural resources and Forestry and we're going to talk about
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moose moose and mooses mooses is it mooses no moose not moose Moes I like
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mooses though it's not I once had a mouses problem in the basement of my house I'll tell you that right mouses in
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his houses I had a lot of mouses I took care of each and every one of them
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little traps or like little traps or pellet gun BB gun stuff that's always
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fun I made it entertaining lead them a little I I I uh kept them you know on their toes because if you give them the
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same all the time then they get used to it and they there what's the best M trap out there is it still that old Victor
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Victory one or Victor whatever they call it Victoria wooden ones snap with the red V Victor
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because there's plastic ones out there now there's ones you can s out go in the little tunnel and they can eat get out
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just that that and you know the best one about the wooden one the Victor or whatever they call you can hear that snap oh I got one he walk and it's also
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so exciting cuzz when you're setting them there's an element of danger to this okay this is not uh without its its
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potential uh personal injury claims okay because I know I scared the hell out of
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myself so many times cuz cuz you got to just set and then you got to push it to where you want it right and when and
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that's the hard part it's always where you exactly boom it scares the hell and if you turn it upside down and snaps it
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jumps about 6 feet in the air oh yeah they're they're nasty little things peanut butter is my favorite bait of
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choice yeah cheese whistle is good too it it works good too but peanut butter peanut butter can't go res problem is
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the freaking dog comes back with the freaking not moous trap on his nose cuz he got in the peanut butter he likes it so much how the hell do we get on to
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mous traps Moes moose and so anyways we're going to talk about moose uh where
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the population is and where it's not they've got a brand new study apparently that they're going to unveil uh with us
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although I think they've been studying it for the last I don't know 30 years or so I think you have to study something
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like that it's our big it's our big boy right so uh we're slowly slowly slowly
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counting down to the new fishing Canada broadcast season January of 25 damn I
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know think about it three months away yeah uh so you're still enjoying the 24
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season on global television network and on the Sportsman's Sportsman Channel Canada and wfn for you folks South of
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the Border CHX citl a plethora of broadcast opportunities on the fishing
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Canada television big words clor and Mamon so far I like it let's keep going
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and we barely started we're like 10 minutes 11 minutes in and a lot of that was fluff and poppycock so this is good
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I think the 3 weeks on the road might have done us some good I think yeah we got a lot smarter a lot not just a
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little we knew to light up the cigars and open the beers when ANS goes to
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bed you're fire he he always do
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big fire then he lay it out there it was so good uh speaking of Wonderful products
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that you could buy his face is R than your logo there uh right here behind me is the uh
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latest the greatest a fishing Canada schwag uh an assortment of schwag not just a one-dimensional these folks at
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fishing Canada know you can get the old traditional uh normal call it uh fishing
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Canada logo or some of the new stuff that's being reinterpreted as we speak
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new product is being worked on uh as we speak to be unveiled nice Secrets secret stuff
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coming out you got some good designs yeah there's some stuffen did you did you do any of the uh illustrating no I
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was too busy smoking cigars by the pool at the Delta we got kicked out of the pool area they wouldn't allow you can't
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smoke there that wouldn't be the first time over the other side of the fence you can smoke right there say we made
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sure the smoke blew in towards there was nobody at the pool it was night time it was closed basically come on just let us sit over
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there by the pool and have our beverage why is it that every time I'm absent from a shoot there seems to be a problem
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with the fishing Canada crew sort of ruffling feathers never a problem we take care of business buddy it always
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ends in a good way always oh yeah go talk to the mayor of Wawa about that guy
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wearing cand overshoes in that pool right now I don't know if they' got them out yet anyway it's all happening at
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fishing canada.com or the store you can go through that address Peter Bowman
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shop. fishing canada.com that's it uh listener feedback Terry hodkinson oh boy
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I love that name hodgkinson wow that's a good one isn't hodkinson uh via
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Spotify great show love when you interview what is that that's a nice shot e that is a great shot that's him
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that's Terry he doesn't look he looks like somebody I know that's scary Terry right there that's not Terry what is the
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purpose of that you just putting it up well here let me read on here great show love when you interview other fishing
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celebs talk about the business and behind the scenes stuff keep working on
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Leo because Leo won't come on here obviously and get Bob Zumi back on
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Cheers Terry buy I love that that that's a great picture all right at the risk of sounding dumb has that no been aired
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next next that's coming up that's coming up soon so we did uh we took the opportunity to uh uh spend a bit of time
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with Bob at the uh the pro PanAm PanAm Black Bass Championship
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in New Brunswick Canada uh he was the uh team captain for Team Canada and uh he
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was nice enough to give us a bit of his time and a bit of he gave us a lot of his time he was great Bobby was awesome
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for this this whole de we got some great shots of him uh during the tournament too some just just when I say great I
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mean like just so it was perfect that morning sort of looked yeah yeah yeah
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and Scott Martin That's by the way Scott Martin reached out to me remind me to talk to our people he
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wants that footage he wants that footage so remind me when we get off uh off this podcast because I will forget I've
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already forgotten I said to myself this morning I got to get in first thing this morning and talk to Joe and boa and here
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I am talking to talking talk to you talking to the lovely audience wherever camera we got to look at here remind me
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please uh so yeah that's great a great TR what do you think of that what do you think of that uh so we have to do more
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interviews with celebs and talk about think I think that's a great idea because I mean it is our industry and I
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mean be it competition to us be it friends with us like a cronzy interview there's nothing like a cronzy interview
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right I'm trying to think who have we not done yeah we can do them again oh you want to repeat why not I mean
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there's there's only how many your left bud that's what I'm saying we've done cronzy we've done Mercer we've done
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isumi we've done um by the way Mercer's never done Us by the way no God forbid
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you know he's got a podcast who has yeah yeah you're right well they don't have
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Leo doesn't do podcast either give or take obviously you know what I mean he's he must nothing to do with that sort of
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thing Bob doesn't do a podcast he did a bit of a radio thing with Gordy fiser but that was a whole different day so
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they really don't uh they don't delve into the whole world of fishing media
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like we do I guess you'd say but yeah who has I mean well we had that one guy from uh
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the us there what that one dude that was had a podcast and all that de I remember who's that Dean that we had on or they
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did they we had him on but he had the wet fly swing guy something like that the what fly fishing podcast wet fly wet
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fly swing guy yeah that's a great title welcome to the wetfly swing guy brought
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to you by Outdoor Journal Radio podcast I don't remember that anyway doesn't matter um not to bring a downer on this
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wonderful conversation but uh while we were away and talking about celebrities and who we've had on the show and have
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not had on the show our good friend Colin McKuen passed away from the new fly Fisher while we were down
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east um and uh our condolences certainly go out to the family and uh Mark and
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friends and business associates I can't even IM in uh going through something like that
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uh with with a I mean family aside obviously that's the biggest issue but
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from a business standpoint uh because they were um I if I'm not mistaken their
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25th season of the new fly Fisher no kidding yeah so yeah wow just a a a terrible thing
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and Pete and I had an opportunity to have a coffee with him earlier this year right it was like February
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March s St Marie we were at a convention tourism convention and we
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were able we we broke away for about an hour we uh we went across the street to
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a Starbucks and and just hung out together for an hour talked I'm glad
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well I'm so glad we did that um you know one of the regrets I have and I know you know about this uh one of the regrets I
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have Colin had been ill for for uh a few years we've we've all kind of known
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about it but uh thought that it was relatively under control obviously not
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uh but we've at the beginning of each season for the last three uh shooting
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Seasons we would talk him and I and we would say we have got to shoot a joint
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episode we've got to do a fishing Canada SL new fly Fisher episode where where we
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will co-host each other's show somehow and and every time you know we'd
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bring it up we we'd all get excited about it and it was a wonderful idea and let's make it happen and and then the
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next thing you know you're three quarters of the way through the season and it yeah we tried a couple
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them this year earlier in the year we tried but the The Lodges didn't work out and ET yeah we came close this is the
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closest we came and then and then it just didn't materialize and then all your year is set and you just move on and do all your shoots that you're on
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and etc etc I regret I regret not not not working maybe a little bit harder at
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making it happen I regret that terrible he'd have been fun on a shoot I'm sure he would have been a hoot on the shoot
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you know a ho on a shoot uh wherever you are my friend um here here some point
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we'll get together and make that happen in another world all righty moving on Mr Bowman are
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we at conservation Corner Dean by any chance now we are we are brought to you
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by the invasive species Center yes and uh what pretel is this this is the uh
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about this dirty thing called a grass C my friend one of the for as everybody probably knows from past podcast but we
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keep preaching it because it needs to be preached one of four species of Asian carp has the ability to change fishing
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as we know it they can ruin stuff they can ruin lots of stuff how how is that
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well they eat lots of stuff and they eat lots of stuff that are nice fishy stuff
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I'm not laughing at the the premise of the whole thing I'm just laughing at how you're doing this which is very very
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good very organic a bit of a comedic you know what I mean I sometimes I have a bit of
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comedic stuff that I can throw out there Mr Bowman is trying to say that these fish have a voracious appetite than fact
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they can eat up to 40% of their own weight on a daily basis and if you think
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these are those you know normal 2 3 lb carp uh some of these fish can grow up to 80 lb how how often do you see normal
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2 and 3 lb carp 4B six PB I don't know keep going eight like a 10 is a small
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one for common carp okay go ahead now um they uh they can consume an awful lot of
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vegetation kind of like myself on this diet that I've been on I actually you know now that I think of it you're a cur
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I might be right there right in line with big old sucker that's what you you're a big old
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sucker uh now there and that's the problem for our species of fish that
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like need and desire and have to have weeds around them right like perch like Walle like small mouth large mouth musky
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Etc trout a lot of trout species need weeds not like trout so much but you know the brookies and rainbows they need
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pretty much the inss are in the weed I was starting to think about this last time we did this ad what species of fish
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now think about this over the course of a 12month period does not rely on
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vegetation yeah to survive a great question is there fish it's a great question the only one I would wonder
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about and they do I'm sure is lak tro but I'm sure the one I would wonder about would be a you know the salmon
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family like Atlantic salmon yeah but they eat bugs and everything and the bugs grow in the weeds right they all
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that so that's like the troat a lot of times Hang In The Weeds too so good point uh Pacific salmon maybe shook salmon
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maybe kelp weeds are kelp there you go so the fact that this Critter consumes
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the vegetation that in fact uh houses food for the other game fish that we so
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uh much covet and Chase and follow uh that in itself is an issue let alone the
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fact that it could actually inadvertently by eating all the vegetation you could probably kill off
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things like crustations and an entire uh I don't know species subspecies of
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invertebrates too that that call vegetation home sure absolutely uh is the reason why we need to be a little
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more Vig I know we make fun of it sometimes because we're a pair of idiots but uh at the end of the day you need to
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take it seriously as Anglers the best thing that we could do is better
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understand what it is that that this grass carp uh number one looks like what it does what what the net result can be
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and we need to do that by going to Asian
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carp.com and take care of business when you see one the Bonker don't be nice to it the bker don't be nice to it just
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just kick his ass that's all you have to do if you ever C I don't even think by the way there are uh cases I believe uh
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there's DNA evidence that these fish in fact are starting to infiltrate our
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freshwater system the Great Lake system so uh it's not that far-fetched that at
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some point you could run into one I wonder if we're ever going to see one in the wild you and I you know what I mean boy we'd have fun though wouldn't it oh
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buddy you'd be holding me back py okay wait py wait is there anybody looking here you better watch
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out uh anyways it's all there and Asian carp.com
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canada.com among other places if you're not aware of the fact this very program
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was the um the basis the offshoot to a network called The Outdoor Journal Radio
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podcast Network upon which we have nice butd a whole series of very talented
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podcasters doing programming one of which is the uh eating wild show with
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Antonio Mala and uh uh CK CJ CJ and CF
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and then you got PW like they all have these initials on that show TD Top Dog
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Top Dog and uh uh HS hook set and God Only Knows wonderful people but they
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should have names like Peter Angel smash s for smash yeah uh anyways uh we're
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highlighting one of their episodes episode 65 to be exact on the network
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right now and it's a a fascinating interview with Corey Johnson of bass
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Fame bass Fame man guy is the guy lit it up last year two events two Elite events
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he won I believe yeah Florida and St Lawrence he started out the year and he ended up the year with two Elites that's
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pretty uh pretty damn good for a Canadian boy I'll tell you that right now you remember the days I remember the when we used to say
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is a Canadian ever going to be represented in the US on the professional bass circuits yeah now
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finally finally but now we're not saying that anymore now we're saying when are
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we going to win first second and third yeah yeah in those events because that
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could happen here in the next year too oh [ __ ] yeah that'd be so cool wouldn't it be and I'd like I'd like to think
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that we can take claim to some of that Glory oh I think it'll happen and another thing I'm wondering is how many
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more Canadians will event make it into let's say the elites um I don't think there's anybody in the uh Bass Pro
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League yet in the MF MLF I'm not sure if there's a Canadian in there yet or not um I think no no there isn't there's Zac
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and guys like that but I think they're I think they're not in the main the main events so the Heavy Hitters and stuff
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like that but anyways you want to know more about uh that subject and much more I'm sure uh just check it out it's
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episode 65 of eating wild a feature in Canada's own Corey John
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Stone yeah um who um as we said is lighting it up and and and Antonio is at
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his best with it and so is all of the the whole crew I I downloaded it but I haven't heard it yet who's doing the interview do you know is it CJ CJ has to
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be on that yeah he's on it with with Antonio it was just those two yeah CJ's a huge fan of bass fishing too what can
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you tell us about this said episode Dino yeah they talked a lot about like the the uh the tournament cuz this was like
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uh two or 3 days after he won was pretty fresh fresh but then they went into a
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little bit about like the family stuff in Peterboro um and then some hunting and cooking and stuff like that well did
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they talk about the altercation that there was in that tournament at all I think they alluded to it but I don't think Cory wanted to get too into it
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feel I'm sure eventually he will yeah I'm sure what was that to happen uh just the the Chris was fishing in an area
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that was a no one Johnston spot they had discovered the spot right
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very very good specific area and uh and Buddy's right beside him just basically
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you know not boat tobat but very close to them and that and they're just kind of they were not happy about people
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moving in on something they discovered so I think I think that's what it was he made he made a public comment too about
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it right that was more of the controversy didn't he oh yeah oh yeah yeah he made a public comment what do you mean he made Corey I believe made a
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comment that they were going to I think they were going to give him the Johnston sandwich or something like that so the
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boats both go right in on him sort of thing like that so I don't know I so
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that's you know what that's an interesting topic I I you know I'd love to do a podcast about that that'd be a
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good one and and maybe we bring on the Johnson's a as guests on that podcast
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because we've all been any of us that have fished uh for a living over the
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last 30 or 40 years have been confronted with that situation both from both sides
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by the way from from both sides yeah you're you're you're driving up to the spot and all a sudden oh no somebody's on it you know what I mean sort of thing
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like that and and what is what constitutes your water your water like
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what when somebody says hey hey hey you're fishing my water what exactly does that mean yeah yeah well that's
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that'd be a good one because I mean if if you get to the spot first a spot first and then somebody comes in he
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you're on my spot no I'm on my spot know but see it it shouldn't be your spot my spot the rules are pretty clear if I'm
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there you cannot encroach within whatever the each organization has its
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own rules it's not a question that it's my spot I just got there before you did you know what used to piss me off the
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most when we were fishing a tournament um is if you're working a row of docks a row of trees or whatever and some arole
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would come right in about three trees or three docks before you and then go the same way and cut you off like you know what I mean you're doing it that so what
30:28
are you supposed to do there's nothing nothing you can do you call him an arsole and say you're no no no what is
30:33
that guy supposed to do he had in his plans that guy you're talking about his plan was my number two spot he's going
30:40
to happened us he's probably going to fish all those docks right right he was going to f so go back and fish back where I fished [ __ ] and do the same
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thing start there yet no he's not going to right so you go you go somewhere else I've turned around from stuff like that
30:52
I said I can't go in on there cut a guy off like that I wouldn't I couldn't do it I just wouldn't do it I didn't like
30:58
the whole thought of it so but anyway that's because you and I don't like people in general when we're fishing we
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don't want to see anybody it's our water damn it I want to go away up a lake by
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myself no but it's an interesting uh subject would be a good and Dean I know I tell you probably once per episode I
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say to you write that down because we need to have I know and I forget immediately after I tell you the write
31:25
it and Dean knows that you forget so he knows he doesn't even write it down he just PR no he just pret but you know what the amazing part is I have a book
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here with a working utensil this works I checked it out look it works do you
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think I would write it down and not rely on Dean because I you're right Dean doesn't even he said yeah boss I got
31:43
this here let me read that and he knows he knows I like your Dean voice that was
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good he knows that I'm going to forget and he's off the hook that's the problem here that's the
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problem with guys like an and I who who most definitely can hide our own Easter eggs and and never and never remember
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where we put them so uhoh he's writing [ __ ] down here ladies and gentlemen boys and girls and Dean you better stay on to
32:07
this buddy this one you might want to follow up on last you don't have to but hey Dean can you write down that uh we
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wanted to do an episode on what constitutes my spot what is my fishing
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spot what does that me I want to do a whole episode and I want to invite the Johnson's on either or on that episode
32:28
and anybody else that you can think of that would make that an entertaining well we were trying to get Chris just
32:34
like I said before so about meing the angler of the Year CU those boys just tore it up this year so maybe we get Chris on he can uh he can at least if it
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was Solo or with Corey that'd be great it's in hunting season right now though boys they are
32:47
hunters get a of people oh they are hard to get this this time of year especially for here's a quick one of the the
32:53
tournament Anglers they do this all summer they're up and down and traveling putting 10 20 $30,000 miles in their
32:58
trucks and all that finally it's over I'm not fishing at all I'm going hunting now I'm going to stay away from weeks
33:05
and I believe Cory and Chris are moose hunting right now if I'm not mistaken they would they would be interested in
33:10
this podcast actually well they might yeah probably listening to it and their stands right now oh it could be that's
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right that's POS that's what they're doing yeah guaranteed moose don't do stands do they yeah yeah you you can
33:23
have Mo out of stands do you yeah I didn't know that yeah sure why not Oh I thought you kind of had they don't look
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up too big I thought you had to kind of go five minutes to get their head back down sniff you know moose poop and
33:38
determine how long it's been out of the body and the temperature some people taste it to see what they're they're
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feeding on do you know that yeah yeah I've done a lot of that yeah oh yeah just like you just wrote down I want to
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see by the way I'm going to check and see where you wrote this these notes anyways uh a great episode it's
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called Uh eating wild they don't have a title on this episode Dean I see 65 yeah
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that's it that's as creative as they could get on that well he's a big name
34:11
oh I see I see what you're saying is worthy of a title Angelo Viola they would put Angelo Viola down if they had
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you on there they would just put down Angelo Viola if they had me I mean yeah you were number one out of the gate
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weren't you it was like 65 episodes 64 episodes ago you've only done one
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yeah see what I mean now you understand the problem who are you yeah
34:36
exactly uh they talk about the vibrant culture of the bass fishing the whole bass fishing scene uh that's going on
34:44
South of the Border and also the technology that's evolved in the bass fishing and boy has it ever evolved
34:50
where can it go next year I mean holy macro you know lesser and lesser is what they're doing right they're not allowing
34:55
it so much so anyways uh great episode edting wild episode 65 featuring cor
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none other than Corey Johnson of the Johnson Brothers uh and speaking of bass fishing
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which I just mentioned the bass technology Etc sale is your home for all
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things bass fishing Mr Bowman I was just in there the other day were you I was in
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to buy some uh pliers with blue handles I have a I'm I'm I'm like carac uh the
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answer is blue uh needle very expensive pliers
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with the question is what was Peter Bowman buying at the Sal store last week
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am I right it close but I was buying detergent and repellent spray so for my
35:45
for my rain gear something that everybody should by the way use if you have good rain gear gortex you have to have the right wash materials what's the
35:52
repellent the spray repellent you put on afterwards you don't do that oh yes I'm sorry it's two-step you're right you
35:57
wash with that stuff you can buy it together but I'd rather spray it on like that me too um but I was in there and
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and uh I always I can't not go through the fishing section cannot go just say I'll stay downstairs I have to go
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upstairs so I went up there and lo and behold I went to the uh yui rack there and they had a a bunch of items for 40%
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off right now get out right now like this is October 7th we're doing recording this I don't know how long
36:23
it'll take for the sale to go on but 40 points off of certain yoser product did they have uh twitch bait on there they
36:29
had twitch baits but there was no there was no discount on those discount was on some one knockers uh the rattle bait
36:35
there was of discounts on some of the 1.5 Square bills that's that's a great bait oh my God for 40 off they're
36:40
already a good price way underrated so anyway so you always when you're going to sale you always check out go up that
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upstairs and check out all the stuff you know and uh they got lots uh if you don't have a sales store in your
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neighborhood which you know unfortunately a lot of us don't we do we're Fortune right right we're right
36:58
beside um head on over to sale.ca that's s
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a.ca and check their entire store on their website I mean you know it's like anything else that you're ordering
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online sometimes you don't have to touch and feel and when it comes to baits uh I
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think that's one of those items that you can yeah and if you if you're looking for those deals there's a little title
37:21
up top there is clearance I believe it's called up to 60% up to 60% up and I'll tell you it really get some really good
37:27
deals clothing you want to buy a new winter jacket coming up or something like that you get 30 or 40 points off a
37:32
winter jacket that turns into hundreds of dollars sometimes so that's all happening at sale or
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sale.ca now uh in the news on fishing canada.com if you happen to be there
37:45
right now you can check it out it's uh called shark sightings on the rise in
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the mayor times I heard that did you hear that I heard it what was that oh I
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like that movie there it is there holy look at that sucker he got a lot of food
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there doesn't he look at that no wonder he's so fat and you guys were fishing his Waters we were fishing said Waters
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in The Mari times in Nova Scotia yes recently recently and unfortunately for
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us Nick and I was the only week nobody saw a Shark we were there for I don't know how many days and nobody even heard
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we got sand sharks those little dog fish those things are just just a pain in the AR is what they are so we've been told
38:26
about uh the shark population in the Bay of huny for a few years now and um the
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fact that they don't mind they're very bold they don't mind uh chasing down stripers that are on your line when
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you're trying to bring them to the boat and chew them off cherish it probably it's like a big live bait for them right
38:45
uh recently locals uh untangled a great white in Port
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Medway how far is that from where I don't know where that is to be honest with you but it's Nova Scotia I'm assuming right no scoti a duck hunter
38:58
lost his dog last year to a shark attack in the same area wow that's not good your well Greg's been telling us that
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every year it seems to be more great whites and so it was only a matter of time before these encounters started you
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know becoming mainstream right um the one another one they're um
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so by the way if you're wondering about sharks in the east coast some of them some of them are tagged and you can get
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a an app called Shark Tracker I believe it's called Shark Tracker and you can actually watch uh certain fish that are
39:28
in the and you see they have little spots on a map where they where they're moving to and from and all that kind of stuff did you guys do that when you were
39:33
fishing stripers that would have been interesting to see like if if it's that accurate you say holy moly there's like
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a Billy right or Martha right they name them all too right so uh some yeah but
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you're seeing a lot they're they're seeing more and more they said an estimated 400 great whites enter Nova
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Scotia Waters every summer I I had no idea because a shark tracker has about eight of them maybe or 10 or something
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like that you know what I mean so uh but if there's that many that's that's insane I remember years ago when
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we did the Great White dive um South Africa South Africa I remember
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the skipper who was uh taking us out to these areas was telling us that and this
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was a very popular part of South Africa for Great White Dives because of the
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seal population I remember him telling us that there were there was an estimated uh uh population of over 600
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great whites that were there all the time so we're getting close to that yeah
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in the Bay of fundi obviously I think about that 400 already is estimated is
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the biggest in the world so we're we're getting close holy smokes anyway it's a fascinating article it's on fishing
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canada.com as we speak it's in the news section called shark sightings on the
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rise in the Mari times and in particular Nova Scotia and in particular the BF
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Fundy uh so go check it out great read uh for sure van question of the week Mr
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period and you will find it thank you for that pleasure this uh question uh is brought
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To Us by Kyle Benning from Iowa wow I love that via email that's infofish
41:38
canada.com um Kyle's question is any plans in the upcoming season to Spotlight some of the Native rough fish
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species like VAR various suckers bofin sheep's head or
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gar well let's start wait wait wait oh they are incredibly power fish species
41:56
and and a blast to catch I'd like to see them get more love and the strategy and
42:01
techniques to catch them especially gar get some discussion and screen time to
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start with then we have to go through that list and say uh we've done both in
42:12
not maybe as much as we could oh no barely scratched service but we've done
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a bow bow fin episode we've done a sheep head episode and we've done gar episodes
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his question is any plans on the upcoming season to Spotlight wait a minute hold it the
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upcoming season is the one I was just talking about right the 25 broadcast season which by the way happens to
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coincide now think about this how I WR happens to coincide with our 40th
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anniversary give me a hell yeah hell yeah congratulations so why not why Dean write this down will
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you buddy I think our 40th anniversary uh broadcast should
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feature all the rough species not a good not a large Mo not a small Mo not a Walle or Nothing what a statement that
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would be would that be a statement what a statement that would be pike pike I spit
43:10
on you get out of here I'm in on that so so that would be yeah our upcoming
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earring season unfortunately uh for Kyle we don't have any of those course species on there however it's a great
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one we we were just talking about this and and I and Dean and I at various points just about you know doing
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something different again so uh great reminder I think we should do I think we should I think we should I mean it's a
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perfect time because we're just starting to schedule for that 25 shooting season
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so I think we should and what prompted us on thinking that way was the uh shovel the shortnose sturgeon in in the
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St John River we just got packed and Nick got a couple of shortnose so it was like wow that's a cool exotic species we
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should think about more stuff like that does anybody know does anybody have the
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definitive answer to what constitutes a coarse fish which I'm assuming uh rough
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rough fish species he calls it but the actual word is coarse fish what makes a
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CO fish not a game fish is there a definitive uh here's the rule
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book b c d I know in U in the UK they have coar fish tournaments stuff like
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that so but that probably means there's probably no bass in that pond there's no musky in that pond or anything anyway so
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just that's how what I mean is a a physical difference is there a
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biological difference between a CO fish and what we know as a game fish in other
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words teeth maybe do teeth play a role in it okay bothin are full of teeth they are okay absolutely gar are full got
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more teeth than bothin so it says that it's defined by being considered undesirable as food or sport that's why
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the word coar course we don't like them maybe it's the edibility maybe Co meat
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or flesh whatever you that's weird because as a sportfish b fin gar and sheep's head are ridiculously fun to
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catch you know what I mean originally actually apparently it was anything that's not a salmonid yeah ah see that
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makes more sense course in the sense of the scales the scale big thick scales versus a Sid has these tiny little we
45:23
scales and the and the trout and all right so but a but a but a catfish or a mudat or Channel cat doesn't have at all
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he got none you know he's not he's a fine fish and and and they're and they're incredibly good eating by the
45:35
way so it's not it's not good fighting I love catfishing so really it's a
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misnomer to call because a bbid is a coarse fish too of course BB and they're
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incredible course of course get it that's funny uh thank you Dean so yeah
45:53
anyways to answer the question by Kyle Benning from Iowa uh we we will endeavor
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to see if we can't schedule a few more in the upcoming season yeah Kyle I'm going to say we're probably not going to
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do a sucker show we don't why not oh there is there is there is what you guys
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did that in the season coming up there's a sucker there's a sucker there's a sucker segment there is a sucker seg is
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that the one Bowman shot no you Oh Me Oh God thank you de can you dig that sucker
46:24
yes we uh we did on the uh on the uh don't say d don't Lumberjack Lodge Sturgeon Lake double header you got a
46:31
SMY and I got a sucker or vice versa one of us got a sucker and one got a small ball I can't remember the whole episode's kind of based around them
46:37
because they these bass all feeding on the sucker eggs we assume we're on the sucker eggs so and there was lots of
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suckers in there oh my God it was crazy suckers anyways uh if you have a question just like our good friend Kyle
46:49
Benning from Iowa has uh send it to us Dean who will write he'll write it down
46:57
I'm sure uh to uh info@ fishing canada.com that's info@ fishing
47:03
canada.com or Facebook Andor Instagram Instagram page and he will great
47:10
question by the way that was good I like that one that was good good idea thanks may maybe it can be I if I could just
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add to that for a moment maybe it could be a in pursuit of record
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sized cor fish bow fin uh sheep head well the bothin think we did at
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Cranberry Lake they have almost Ontario record proportion there right the gar Ottawa River they have record proportion
47:35
there for sure I think Jamie pti's almost got one of those records or he had one at one time what were what were the other ones uh sheep head sheepy be
47:42
quiny you get 30s there you can get like a you can get a literal 30 yeah we got we got them well over 20 uh and it was
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in October uh so there I don't know what the record Canadian Ontario record would be there so we could we could do that it
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would take a bit effort for sure but uh we could we could do it suckers I don't know not about suckers so I don't know
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how we get a record soccer but another thing we haven't done in a while is carp just common carp could add that to the
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list too add that there's some big ones out there too we got our work cut out for us but
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back to the show all right let's find out about some mooses shall we yeah I want to know
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about Moes I don't know much about mooses should be good joining us now obviously we don't even know how to say it do we Moes uh I'm assuming from uh
50:14
Trent University I could be wrong uh but definitely with the Ontario Ministry of natural resources and Forestry uh Dr
50:21
Brent Patterson uh who is the adjunct professor and research scientist with the Ontario Ministry natural resources
50:28
and force and Forestry yeah and Joe Northrup um also Adjunct professor at
50:35
Trent University in research science with the Ontario Ministry of natural resources and Forestry good day
50:40
gentlemen hello guys morning good morning uh first of all BR uh correct me
50:45
if I'm wrong you and I go way back to the Outdoor Journal Radio Days I believe we had an interview on The FAN 590 about
50:53
this very subject years ago yep I think I I've been on once or twice talking
50:58
about Alon wolves and we we talked about moose and I think we even talked about uh deer and winter one time that's right
51:05
look at you look at you guys the memory relation that that is the mind-blowing part of it all right there is your
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memory Bud good work well uh gentlemen uh first of all once again welcome to
51:16
Outdoor Journal Radio podcast um I have to say though this certainly
51:22
is not a new subject it seems like we've been talking about MO studies and and
51:27
trying to figure out why moose is in the shape that it's in in terms of numbers
51:33
for years now and yet I'm reading here and saying you know we're now embarking on a new study can you kind of open the
51:40
door to that one for us sure sure sure so um you know M moot are a really
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important resource for for people in Ontario um you know and it's it's
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probably the the Mary you know species amongst certainly amongst big game hunters in the province and um and we've
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got a long history of of I guess monitoring and and and managing moose um but yeah something
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happened uh in the 2000s um or started to happen in the 2000s and and across most of the province um we we saw pretty
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pronounced declines you know in many areas in Moose numbers you know for for almost a 20-year period you know
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beginning in the early 2000s and um so and and a lot of those
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lines were characterized by really low numbers of calves so um you know in the winter when we would the province would
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fly the Moose inventories uh yeah we just seen very few calvs with the cows um now our our for for many years our
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Harvest system in Ontario was such that in most parts of the province a hunter could buy a calf tag over the counter um
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so there was there was less restriction on that relative to uh Bull and cow tags where you had to enter a lottery you
52:51
know and it was much more restrictive so so there's you know there was some speculation though maybe we were just shooting too many calves but also
52:58
there's speculation about uh predation you know maybe there's just too many uh or wolves and and bears maybe you're
53:04
eating too many Cals there's there's a lot of uncertainty but regardless of of what was actually going on it was it was
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clear that uh numbers were were you know declining uh pretty aggressively in some
53:15
spots and and so we we've been um talking about this and and you know
53:21
looking at existing data and and doing some analyses with existing data for for a number of years but we we we finally
53:27
got to the point where it's like okay we we we really need to get some boots on the ground and and do some actual uh
53:33
field research to to try and uh you know nail down the uh the relative magnitude
53:39
of of different factors that might be uh you know limiting the the population growth of uh of moose so so Joe and I um
53:48
convened a workshop uh a few years ago in gu we brought in some some experts
53:54
from uh you know across Canada and and and the United States that that uh you know we're dealing with similar issues
54:00
with moose and and um we we laid all the data that was available for Ontario it
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on the table and everybody you know had a look at it and and lots of of good discussions and in the end of it we came
54:11
up with uh a recommendation for sort of a multiphased approach where you know initially we would we would milk
54:17
everything we could out of our existing data um sort of use that to guide research needs for field research then
54:23
then we would actually conduct some in phase two conduct some some research on the ground where we um where we try and
54:29
identify like the different things that are are killing moose are limiting their population growth and even try and get out the the relative magnitude of those
54:36
things and then the third phase of the work which is a few years off now would be to actually like do some
54:42
manipulations and so basically like a scientific experiment where we change some things on the ground and then try
54:47
and uh evaluate whether these are actually having the intended positive effect on on moose
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populations I i' i' forgotten how Wonder ful you were as an as an interviewee
54:58
because I could just push the button and sit back I love and you and you too are
55:03
appreciating that aren't you Joe Joe likes this yeah okay keep her going brother you know you could have just as
55:10
easily shot me up and said okay that's enough know I'm just kidding when you mention when you mention something Brent
55:16
and this is sort of it's on subject but it's not sort of written in our stuff here but I always I've always wondered
55:22
um as an angler but I was a small game and a waterfall Hunter and I Al I always wondered why there was a calf season to
55:29
begin with like like does it does that Not freak you proved me then and it behooves me now that we're still even
55:35
talking about it yeah so like there what was the reasoning back I mean there must have been a good population of moose
55:41
back in the day or whatever and they allowed you to shoot Cavs was there a reasoning like like why was that so you
55:49
know it's it's it's interesting and I'll give you my opinion and I it may be wrong but um that's sort of the the
55:56
Swedish or the European model was the liberal Harvest of Cales and the restricted Harvest of adults and part of
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the thinking there was a few things that went into it but part of it was that it would provide more opportuni so we could
56:08
give more calf tags out than we could afford to give you know adult bull or cow tags so it allow more people to get
56:14
in the game and Hunt why is that but but sto right there what's the thinking behind that yeah and the the
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conceptually the thinking was that that Cavs have high mortality rates anyway so
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if you shoot bunch of Cales in the fall some of those calves would die anyway so they they call that compensatory
56:31
mortality right the problem is so we did some calf work uh in in Southern Ontario
56:37
so in Wild managing un at 49 and in alanin park um I don't know almost 15
56:42
years ago now and um what we revealed with that work is that that that thinking about compens
56:49
mortality was actually pretty flawed because most of the mortality of Mo Cavs uh natural mortality moose Cavs was
56:55
happening before the hunting season so calves were dying of you know some exposure and other things like in their
57:01
first few days of life and then most of the calves that were being killed by bears certainly were Were Dying by the
57:07
time they were a month and a half old and you know molf predation was actually pretty heavy in the summer as well so all those major mortality factors that
57:14
we thought you know might be compensatory they were actually happening before the hunt so by the time the hunting season rolled around any of
57:19
those calves that we were we were taking in the hunt that that was an additive mortality Factor on top of everything else so uh yeah it just uh it wasn't
57:27
working the way we we hoped it might right to really for it to really work well the populations have to be you know
57:34
at relatively High densities where food competition can be can be a problem and so those calves will go into the winter
57:39
and if they're not in great shape they they die from malnutrition or predation because they're weaker or what have you
57:45
and so the real idea behind that heavy calf Harvest is if you're in a population where there's not a lot of
57:50
vegetation around not a lot of brows for the for the animals then that many calves will die in the winter and you
57:56
take a lot of cows in the fall and it's not as big of an issue on on the population where you know if you take bulls or particularly reproductive cows
58:03
then you're actually having major potentially major impacts to the population neither one of you have mentioned uh something that I think you
58:09
and I talked about 15 years ago Grant along with uh John witters uh at the
58:15
time who was I think he was just he had just uh resigned or retied as Park
58:21
superintendent in alal park and joined the Outdoor Journal radio uh program as a producer
58:26
um but I we went through this phase for several months if I'm not mistaken back then uh talking about winter tick and
58:35
the uh how it affected the mortality rate especially of the Cals uh that were
58:40
born that year is that still an issue or is it kind of gone now we thought it was going to be bad but maybe it wasn't as
58:47
bad as we thought certainly not gone and um that's something that we're we're
58:52
really interested in so um in some you know I I think we we we'll we'll
58:59
certainly focus on ticks here but more broadly um Ontario is so big that like
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it's probably not the the things that are limiting moose populations you know probably vary a little bit across the
59:11
province depending where we are and I think that would be the case with tix so um for example where we're starting this
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research in in Wild management Unit 13 North of Thunder Bay um just from some
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pilot work we did last winter down closer to the edge of of Unit 13 closer
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to Thunder Bay itself um we saw some moose with with pretty aggressive hair loss in late winter and and and when we
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we were catching the moose and handling them we were actually uh doing transits on the Moose counting the number of ticks you know we we part the fur on
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these 10 centimeter transex across their body and count the ticks and again it's it's early days preliminary work but it
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it seemed like the the tick loads were considerably higher further south you know where where moose overlapped with deer then by the time you got even to
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the North End of 13 which which isn't that far north along a gradient uh tick loads were much lower and uh so we're
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really interested in that and certainly um we have some colleagues and other jurisdictions that are looking at ticks
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and and yeah the the tick mortality can be can be really high in some cases and it seems to uh primarily affect uh calf
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moose just just short of their first birthday so uh we're we're hoping to to call her a bunch of we call them short
1:00:20
yearlings but they're just Cals in the winter time call her a bunch of those this winter and and uh see you know just
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how bad ticks might be for them come come next spring that you know what's
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going to Intrigue me is that if they find that this is such a a drastic thing that's happening to these
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Cavs how will the &rf try and alleviate that what are you going to do to get rid of the ticks or how you know what I mean
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is I mean I don't want to even ask you guys that because I'm sure it's just Prospect right now but but I mean
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obviously the ticks are a problem they're a problem for everything people walking their dogs Dean walked his dog
1:00:54
five 10 ticks every morning on his dog you know what I mean like that so it's it's getting out of hand so I'm just I'm
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wondering the next stage if they find that's a problem yeah it's a it's a pretty challenging one you know again
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Brett was mentioned we have some colleagues that are that are working in Quebec that are actually looking at using a caraide so actually uh putting a
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chemical on captured calf moose that kills off the ticks and they're showing that that has a really high high
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potential to increase their survival it's definitely not something that would ever be applicable at a large scale you
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have to actually handle the animal so the tick problem is a is a pretty challenging one but you know there's a little bit of evidence that there's
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there's maybe some some late winter and spring habitat uh associations with moose so they're they're using certain
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types of habitat that may have higher potential uh numbers of ticks and so there may be some sort of forest
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management prescriptions or guidelines that could be used to to make that habitat less uh less attractive for the
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ticks themselves but it is a challenging one and one that you would have to uh kind of depend on on some of the results
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of the study about whether we actually could do anything management wise to address ticks but it would it would likely have to be something habitat
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related uh in order to to be able to have an effect at a large scale yeah in in the west the habitat's a little more
1:02:08
meable to this but in some places they're actually using controlled Burns to um you know to keep the uh the tech
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down yeah yeah hey guys on a scale of one to 10 and it's just us talking here nobody
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listens to this program anyway so don't you're okay on a scale of to 10 how confident are you that we've got a good
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handle on the inventory of moose in other words are you do you feel good about the methodology that's in place
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now for counting inventory are you do you ever have any do you ever like wake up in the middle of the night say ah man
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I don't know I don't know if I like these numbers yeah so you know so every
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no matter what the method that you use to count animals especially animals that live in you know heavily forested
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environments there's there's challenges associated with it and particularly in a province like Ontario that's that's so
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big and spans a lot of different types of forests you know it's those issues are even bigger um you know the current
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methods we use for the the Moose aial inventory uh theoretically all things equal they produce valid estimates
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there's you know relatively High uncertainty around them um and and but they produce produce valid and and
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robust estimates I think some of the some of the problem comes in with that sort of uncertainty that's that we get
1:03:24
around our our estimates so every one of those moose aial inventories that we do get an average estimate that's the most
1:03:29
likely estimate but there's a wide range often of uncertainty and so you know in reality that that population could be
1:03:35
anywhere within those bounds but that's just sort of life right we don't we don't have a great way at the scale we
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work to to know with more Precision where it is that said as one of the things we're hoping to do with this
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project uh that we're talking about today we're gonna have a whole bunch of moose collared and and we can actually assess some of the assumptions of of the
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Moose aial inventories we do try to ident identify if there's weather or sort of conditions that that we fly
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under that might be better or worse or allow us to to conduct more surveys during different times of year or try to
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correct for things like how citable or how detectable moose are as we're flying along in helicopters so definitely one
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of the things we're always trying to refine and and improve what we're doing but I'd say you know at the scale we're
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talking about uh for the species we're talking about what we're doing is is is pretty good okay you mentioned colloring
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uh moose is it intriguing is it illegal for a hunter to
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shoot a moose with a collar or or is it just incumbent on that Hunter to make sure that they take the collar and
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return it to you guys like how does that work yeah for sure so it's it's not not only is it not illegal but we would
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encourage uh oh all Harvesters to to treat the collared moose the same as they would treat any other moose so um
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we're we're tagging the Moose uh coloring them in the winter time uh we're darting them from from helicopters
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uh the the short year the CF Mose will just be be captured with a net from the helicopter they won't even be drugged
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the drugs we're using are are completely flushed from the system and in 45 days
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um so so long before the hunting season starts in the fall so there's no no reason to avoid shooting a collared
1:05:11
moose and in fact the the collars are relatively cryptic they're they're black bands you know there's a little white case here and in most cases the hunter
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um won't even see the collar until after they've you know they fired their shot and uh so yeah our number is written on
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the collar and we just if some shoots one you we want to know about it we might ask you know a few questions but
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that's because seems odd like you go to all that trouble to to collar it and now you're saying hey have at it I would
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think you guys want that animal in the herd for for years think about us trying
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to you know we're trying to understand how important ticks are as a mortality
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Factor how important wolves are and bears and all these different things we can't really contextualize those things
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properly unless we know how important hunting is so um we we really want the hunting towards the colored moose to be
1:05:57
as unbiased as possible it's very it's close to like uh tagging fish basically you can throw it back if you want it but
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you can keep it just as long as you keep you know put the info down and you call call the m&f and say hey it was a 5B
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large Mo that I was very happy in catching you know yeah because exactly like said we're we really want to know
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we want to know what that influence of hunting is you know there's all these potential factors creation habitat all
1:06:20
those things and and to be able to to understand how those are are impacting moose we need to know that sort of additive effect or whatever it may be of
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hunting all I'm hearing the last few years um I'd say probably about 75 to
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80% of uh my buddies that do hunt Moose i' would say 75 to 80% of them are
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leaning towards the fact that you know they just don't see as many moose out there therefore they don't they're not
1:06:47
as successful in their Harvest and then and then I talk to others say man this is crazy I I had an opportunity you know
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last week to probably shoot 12 moose and I didn't do it you know what I mean Jerry is one of those guys really yeah
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so like can you give us an idea if you're at liberty to to discuss this can
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you give us an idea of what the numbers look like out in in this province in terms of
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moose I guess I'm not sure like do you mean what's the what's the current population status B yeah based on your
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estimations based on your samples based on whatever it is is that you do what do
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you think in terms of numbers and I the reason I'm asking that because the next question I'm going to ask you is do you
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know how many tags and or licenses there are and and do those two numbers is
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there a correlation between those two numbers well C certainly there um and
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Joe and I can't tread too far into the the harvest Management in things that's uh we'll be stepping on other people's
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toes there um but I tell you that um you know so I
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think the provincial population is is what somewhere between 80 and 100,000 uh as of last count we've had a bit of
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trouble with our inventories the last couple Winters because of uh you know poor winter conditions and what like
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last winter for example was a was a real bust and most of our surveys that were planned for last winter didn't happen
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and that's because lack of snow not too much snow just the lack of winter right yeah just lack of you know we need good
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snow and and light conditions and it just didn't happen in most places so there's a lot of catch up to do this
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winter with with the inventories and and for the Harvest you know there's there's a lot of um I know hunters get
1:08:34
frustrated uh sometimes and and think that these decisions are made flippantly but there's a lot of people that put a
1:08:40
lot of thought into sort of carefully planning the Harvest and it's it's done on the uh you know as you guys know on
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the at the scale of wildlife management unit across the province and and so for each of those units um the current
1:08:52
status of the population is considered and then other pressures that might be facing the population are considered and
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then there are there are guidelines you know for different levels of harvest for for um you know bull cow and calf tags
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that are that are applied and so it's it's pretty um it's it's pretty prescriptive you know and quite an
1:09:10
involved process there that uh you know comes up with the you know comes up with the uh the quotas for year and some some
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of the work like I mentioned at the beginning of this conversation we we talked about you know doing an analysis
1:09:21
of um existing data to try and sort of help guide where we should be going next and one of the things that that Joe and
1:09:28
I and the post talk that we had working with us did was to to look at factors that influence tag fill rates so you
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know because you you can um you can allocate a certain number of tags you know for bulls or cows or cavves but
1:09:42
unless you know what the likely uh success rate of hunters holding those tags is it's hard to translate that tag
1:09:48
allocation to an actual Harvest and you know when when you're trying to do something for the population you really need to it doesn't matter how many tags
1:09:54
you ISS you what you really want to know is how many moose are going to be harvested so we recently published a paper to offer a bit more guidance on
1:10:01
that um but yeah there's still a fair bit more we can do there but but for now I would just assure your listeners that
1:10:08
um the these decisions aren't made on on napkins and that the there there are a lot of doing the best they can and just to
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build on that a bit like you know you mentioned about friends going out and some see lots moose some don't and you
1:10:21
know part of that just Ontario is a big Province and and sort of Al moose population have done across the province
1:10:26
has varied pretty substantially over the last 10 20 years and so you know up in the Northwest there's been huge declines
1:10:32
there's some parts particularly closer to Manitoba where where moose numbers are you know more than 50% lower than
1:10:38
what they were 20 years ago Northeast has had some you know some declines some increases some stability and then in the
1:10:45
South there's actually been over the last five to 10 years there's actually been increases kind of across not all
1:10:50
all more or less across the board in the South so it really depends and then you know talking about that that tag fill
1:10:57
rate or hunting success paper one of the things that that posto found with the with that analysis was actually that uh
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the more Hunters per uh moose that are out on the landscape the lower the success rate so you get some interference kind of competition there
1:11:10
where more more Hunters out there makes it less uh you know you you see less moose and so there's a lot of factors
1:11:16
going on there Beyond just population numbers that can influence you know how how high a quality hunt people have or
1:11:22
whether they see moose but you know quite complicated and a going on Brent gave us that that number uh 80 to
1:11:28
100,000 Ontario is a huge province is that a low number a normal number
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alarmingly no number what would you say well I think the more interesting thing
1:11:40
to me more than just the number is the variability right so um you know if if
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picture a heat map of the province and uh you know hot colors are high densities and and cool colors are low
1:11:52
densities it's it's really quite very you know and so each each Wildlife
1:11:57
Management unit uh Wildlife Management units in the province are Amalgamated into larger zones called Wildlife landscape zones but at each of these
1:12:04
scales there's a there's actually an objective there's a population objective for moose and um like Joe said there's
1:12:11
some areas where where moose are doing okay there's some areas where they're just sort of you know so so and there's other areas where things are poor I
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think on the whole you know and I don't have the table in front of me but on the whole there's probably more units where
1:12:23
where current populations are below the the desired range you know below the objective range than areas where they're
1:12:30
actually within the range you know but but in some areas we're we're starting to move things in the right direction so
1:12:35
I I you know and again Joe mentioned the units up against Manitoba there's a couple
1:12:40
units there like and then down towards Lake of the Woods and Fort Francis where where really moose they've really
1:12:46
bottomed out in those places and that you know that's it's it's hard to imagine what it's going to take for
1:12:53
moose to recover in those areas um but but other parts of the province you know things aren't nearly as as dire and I
1:12:59
think there's there's certainly hope it's fun in those areas um you mentioned
1:13:04
Lake of the Woods and you DED and Fort Francis all that area too and I don't want you guys to you
1:13:11
know go offside uh if you know what I mean but but I will on your behalf I think one of the problems in those areas
1:13:18
is that moose is almost a staple in terms of you nutritional value there's a
1:13:24
lot of families that live in those remote rural areas that they that's that's going to the grocery store right
1:13:32
and I'm just wondering how many moose in those
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areas um are taken without you guys even knowing meaning it's not part of the
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tagging system it's not part of the anything that you guys do but the Moose
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are being used because it's sustenance it feeds families it feeds you saying pouching and I'm I'm not going to I'm
1:13:56
not going to call it poaching I'm not going to call it poaching I'll call it poaching you can call it whatever you
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want I'm just saying that they're not documented and not reported and in other
1:14:08
words not part when you're see here I have a difficult
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time understanding how you can do your job managing and Counting inventory of
1:14:20
anything whether it's moose or fish or or any Wildlife at all in order to have an accurate count of your inventory so
1:14:28
that you can assess it and then make decisions on how to properly manage it you have to have the um ability or
1:14:37
potential of being able to count all of the pieces of that inventory but I don't
1:14:43
think you and that's why I asked that question earlier on how confident are you of the methodology that's in place
1:14:49
now I just don't know whether you guys are have the tools and the where not the
1:14:55
wherewithal you have the wherewithal but but the the the tools and freedom to be able to really truly assess what that
1:15:02
inventory is before you put together a management plan and the rural areas that
1:15:07
you just mentioned are probably the worst ones to try and keep a good count
1:15:13
of how do you feel about that comment do you think you have got in other words if
1:15:19
if there was a magic wand that could be waved and and it said okay uh uh Brent and Joe when I wave this wand all of the
1:15:26
restrictions that you currently have in terms of being able to truly count and assess the moose population will be gone
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do you think it would change your lives come on now to
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work yeah yeah I think I mean I guess there's a lot there but you know so uh
1:15:45
in terms of uh in terms of coaching and that we don't have obviously a great way
1:15:51
to know how much that's happening across the province right but I'm just for sure there are moose that are taken without
1:15:58
tags illegally and that sort of thing you know with our our research project that we're implementing now in in
1:16:04
W13 with callers that's the way you get at it right that's you know that's how you answer those sorts of questions so
1:16:09
at least in some part of the provin we'll be able to figure out uh how common that sort of uh that sort of
1:16:15
event is and how much of an impact it has on the population uh but then in terms of you know how those sorts of
1:16:21
factors come into influencing management and and that that sort of thing you know in reality unless it's you know hugely
1:16:29
common and by that I mean you know just one of the main drivers of of population change uh our methods are actually
1:16:36
fairly robust to it and you know unless there's big changes over time so if you know say say we're off by 10% on our
1:16:43
estimates of the number of moose and say you know 5% of the Moose are taken for poaching each year over time you know if
1:16:50
that's pretty constant then actually our methods are are actually okay if we're wrong but we're wrong consistently
1:16:57
across time then our our ability to manage the moose population actually isn't that impacted we we may be wrong
1:17:03
with how many moose we're taking or sorry What proportion of the population we're taking or the absolute number of
1:17:08
moose that are taken but if if those biases that we have in our methods or in the way that we account for Harvest or
1:17:14
or poaching um are are consistently biased then it doesn't present as big a
1:17:19
problem as it might seem for how we manage moose hey guys what about I'm sure you keep up on other provinces and
1:17:26
that we always hear that New Finland has a ridiculously large population of moose any idea what their population is and is
1:17:33
it too many moose over there and certainly in their national parks like gross Moren um they tend to have too
1:17:40
many moose and you know some some some national parks have have uh you know instituted calls to try and uh lower
1:17:48
moose but the big thing and and you're right Newland is um you know has always
1:17:53
been a heralded I guess for its abundant moose one of the big differences there is that
1:17:58
they they hunt Moose in New Finland but they only have one Predator um a side of hunters and that that is black bears
1:18:05
they don't have wolves right and if if you look across North America um
1:18:10
generally areas that have one Predator plus humans you know harvesting moose the populations tend to be pretty robust
1:18:17
of that but when you have two substantial predators and and humans harvesting moose so bears and wolves and
1:18:23
humans then it gets a little harder to um you know to share the Bounty and and
1:18:28
then if you know we talked about ticks earlier and and these other stresses that the population might be under like
1:18:34
you know the more the more hands we have in the pie the the less robust you know the population is to these things so so
1:18:40
newand has the has the yeah they're they're they're certainly different than anywhere in Ontario just because they
1:18:46
have a completely different uh you know ecological community so what do you do in a case like that I know there's been
1:18:52
all kinds of I've got a good friend of ours is in the uh uh meat business and
1:18:57
he's reached out and offered his services to go in and help uh eliminate some of the over stock of moose in
1:19:06
Newland but what do they do in a case like that I mean it obviously we're
1:19:11
we're nowhere near there uh in terms of what you guys are responsible for you're you're responsible for trying to
1:19:17
maintain and grow what you have how would you if you were in the opposite position like what do you do when you
1:19:23
have too many because obviously they're going to cause problems for themselves I'm talking about the moose right there
1:19:28
there if there's too many moose it it will harm U yeah you got to you got to be careful in those cases like a recent
1:19:35
example um is is Cap Breton you know the cap Breton Highlands in Nova Scotia where where for years you know they were
1:19:41
famous for having a a really abundant moose population and uh you know access
1:19:48
was limited up in the highlands but they had a pretty liberal Harvest you know allowed up there um they introduced some
1:19:54
calls you know it involved some some local First Nations to help you know bring numbers down and then uh they had
1:20:00
a a just a crazy hard winner last year and uh really and you need you need to
1:20:06
have a really severe winner that you know for it to be a problem for moose they've got such long legs they can deal with you know most conditions but now
1:20:13
suddenly Nova Scotia found itself in a position where where the moose population dropped way too much and and
1:20:18
they've actually uh suspended all harvesting for three years because they they went too far no
1:20:25
kidding wow so it's not obviously not a perfect science is it I mean what you guys do as much as it's very scientific
1:20:33
and everything is calculated it's just not a perfect science when you're dealing with nature because she's able
1:20:39
to able to throw curve balls at you every day of the week right that's got be one of the one of the problems that
1:20:44
that make it more imperfect than it has to be is the sort of inertia you know
1:20:49
and and so we can go out and and do a count and and make some recommendations but sometimes you know recommendations
1:20:55
to change management sometimes there's a lag there and it might you know the government has to to engage with with
1:21:02
different groups you know about these proposed changes and it might be the change is needed now but it might take
1:21:08
several years for the change to you know to come into effect and we're always sort of you know a step or two behind and that sort of um lag between
1:21:15
management need and management action you know can be really problematic for causing you know big swings in
1:21:21
populations a lag in governmental decisions an can you figure that no I never say it it can't be uh one area I
1:21:29
think that the Moose is fortunate is that it that it doesn't have this Factor
1:21:35
going against it because some of our fisheries and and small game do and that is you know as the population base grows
1:21:43
in Ontario at a an alarmingly fast rate uh that means more people are on the
1:21:50
playing field harvesting fish and wildlife Etc the Moose is kind of protected from that because it's first
1:21:56
of all it's still a relatively difficult and expensive sport uh if we'll call it
1:22:02
that uh to get into and because it's so restricted with the number of tags that
1:22:07
are being issued each year I don't imagine you guys are looking at population growth I'm talking human
1:22:14
population growth at all as a factor in um in putting together your numbers and
1:22:20
all you want to yeah well you know again just you know that's not really I area
1:22:25
in terms of determining numbers of numbers of tags and that sort of thing but you back to to what Brent was talking about earlier and trying to
1:22:32
identify sort of uh number or success rates of hunters and those sorts of things you know human population growth
1:22:38
is is accounted in so much as number of people that are applying for tags and it's it's likely to have more of a
1:22:44
impact on sort of success rates of getting a tag than it would necessarily on um sort of moose Harvest as long as
1:22:50
it's controlled you know those factors like you mentioned poaching or or other things just more traffic on highways and
1:22:56
things like that those all can can be ways in which increasing human populations can can impact moose
1:23:01
populations but yeah but in terms of harvest I you know I think it as long as
1:23:06
it's controlled it can be managed regardless a quick question on that to
1:23:12
people and and harvest and and whatnot we were driving back from um Nova Scotia
1:23:18
New Brunswick recently doing a shoot there and I don't know whether you were you in the truck with me or were you
1:23:23
sleeping at time when we saw that dead moose on the side Nick Nick mentioned it yeah yeah we actually saw and you don't
1:23:29
often see you see evidence of where there's been contact with a moose in a vehicle but you've never saw I never
1:23:35
certainly saw the the actual carcass there yeah not very often sometimes in
1:23:41
remember a couple times in Northwest Ontario we see well all the big truckers have those massive grills on and but
1:23:48
still not that often you what's the rules and regulations on that in other words could we have pulled over and laid
1:23:54
claim to this animal like how does that work so so yes um you know in Ontario if
1:24:02
if that happened you would you would uh call in and report it and you would actually get a permit to possess the meat if if you wanted to claim it and if
1:24:08
you were the first on scene I think that's why you don't often U you don't
1:24:13
often see them because they they get picked up pretty quick in your case though I don't know I don't know if you
1:24:19
need to be a NE brunic resident so like if you were driving through NE Brunswick and you guys are Ontario residents and you found a
1:24:25
that that might be a little tricky to to get the permit but I don't know it was weird cuz it was just there on its own
1:24:30
there was no nobody there it was like you know what though sometimes to
1:24:36
me my thoughts are if you don't see it happening you got to wonder how long it's been laying there too right if oh
1:24:41
[ __ ] it's been laying there for six or seven hours In the Heat of the sun I don't know if that's bad for the meat or not you know you might have this this
1:24:47
thought to in your mind we hit a deer once uh driving nor Lisa and I driving to Sudbury and uh and yeah we just
1:24:54
called we called the op and she actually came out the op officer came over and took a report all that she said now do
1:25:00
you want the the deer and I said we we have nowhere to put it it was a little car and she said Okay and then I don't
1:25:06
know what they did after that surpris you didn't ask Lisa to wait by the roadside while you took the deer well well the thing was I was going to a
1:25:13
funeral if I was coming home from a funeral that some [ __ ] would have been in the back of the car I don't care how I would have cut it up for sure anyway
1:25:20
uh it's interesting we we we all said wow that's never in all the years we've been traveling the roads you just never
1:25:26
see that where the full animal is just sitting there on the side of the road are there more you guys probably know
1:25:31
about this are there more moose killed on the highway at night or in the daytime I'm assuming at night but I'm
1:25:38
just guessing yeah I think at night like we'll get into this a little more over the next few years with our research but
1:25:44
we know from other stuff that we've done and work that's happened in other jurisdictions that the the most active
1:25:49
time of day for moose is is Dawn and dusk you know and then through the night uh and they you know they do move around
1:25:54
a little bit in the daytime but yeah you don't often see moose you know crossing the highway in the middle of the day
1:25:59
it's a much greater Hazard at night what is there something about highways cuz we
1:26:04
hear sometimes they get out of the Bush to go to this cleared land because of no bugs or whatever are they just basically
1:26:11
crossing a highway and it's bad timing the old chick moose the old chicken joke the old chicken why the Moose cross yeah
1:26:17
did he just do it to get to the other side or do he got a reason do you got to take a poop does eat the gravel what what is the deal with moing the roads
1:26:24
they have pretty um you know this this might be of interest to folks like moose actually
1:26:29
have a pretty big home range you know so we talk about a home range as being a you know the area that animals use and their their daily travails and for moose
1:26:37
it's probably you know 35 to 40 square kilometers um so you know in many parts
1:26:43
of the province it's going to be inevitable that a a home range of that size is going to you know have a few roads or highways in it and uh if if the
1:26:50
Moose wants to access all parts of a range it's going to have to uh you know CR cross the road a bit we we've got
1:26:57
some evidence of moose crossing highway 17 some of our we we've just have 10
1:27:02
cows with GPS callers on them that we put out last winter right now but a couple of those have have crossed
1:27:07
Highway 17 a couple times and there's a really active rail line you know through
1:27:12
the range of several of the Moose so you know we we hear stories about moose getting stuck on the train track
1:27:18
sometimes when the snow is really deep and it's hard for them to get off to the sides so um you know it it'll be
1:27:24
as as we get more data and more colors it'll be interesting to to look more closely at how the Moose sort of view
1:27:29
and respond to to to roads and Rail lines interesting interesting it's an interesting creature obviously you know
1:27:37
the fact that it is so damn tasty as as a consumable uh just kind of adds to the
1:27:43
whole you know what freaks me out is how a moose can run through that bush with those a big bull with those antlers that
1:27:49
wide I mean these things are like four five ft across whatever they are he runs through that bush like he's on fire you
1:27:55
know what I mean it doesn't doesn't pH him at all and they're quiet too like the thing about a a bull moose how much
1:28:03
is a big bull moose Fully Alive a big bull moose what what would say what was a weight of them in pounds yeah on the
1:28:09
hoof big 1200 lbs more yeah so that's a giant animal that walks through the you know maybe even trots through the bush
1:28:15
and you can't even hear them they're like stealth mode and 1 12200 lb the you know of a beast it's freaky but that's
1:28:22
nature Antonio our good friend Antonio the uh the host of um one of the
1:28:28
podcasts on this network he's got this thing about moose he's uh first of all he's totally intrigued with him but I
1:28:34
don't think he's ever he's gone hunting for him never been able to shoot one right and so for him it's almost become
1:28:40
like the Holy Grail of hunting you know the Quest for the Moose I love
1:28:45
it um the first time I hun mov in Ontario uh you know over 20 years ago I
1:28:51
remember sitting there on opening morning and uh hearing these little noises and you know I was sort of going by what you're saying about how quiet
1:28:58
they can be you know and I heard this noise oh it might be a moose that might be a moose and then you know it was a squirrel or that might be a moose you
1:29:03
know then a gross walks by then uh maybe an hour later all of a sudden three
1:29:08
moose did come and and this bull was trying to impress the cows it was with and he was tearing entire trees over the ground and laying them down so when the
1:29:16
Moose finally showed up it was like okay yeah there's no muty that wow you know that's a moose wow hey I got a question
1:29:22
guys and we were talking about it earlier the predators of the Moose what's what
1:29:28
takes more moose Bears or Wolves do you have an idea of that I think it's it's probably got to
1:29:35
be wolves just because they have a longer you know a longer like w wolves
1:29:40
primarily take young moose and and sort of old moose they take some Prim AG moose but usually it's at e either end
1:29:46
of the sort of the lifespan for Bears you know they they might take some some
1:29:51
older moose rarely but most of the moose that that a bear kills are going to be like young Cavs less than a month and a
1:29:57
half old okay interesting and coyote has not played a role in any of this yet or
1:30:03
are there signs of them starting to nibble away well we we years ago we uh
1:30:10
in in unit 49 west of Algonquin um we documented a couple cases where where
1:30:16
coyotes did Kill moose but uh you one of those moose was 20 years old and another
1:30:21
got sort of stuck on a slope in some thick bush so there was sort of extenuating circumstances and I think
1:30:26
across most of Northern Ontario there's very little overlapping space between coyotes and wolves you know the the
1:30:33
Wolves rule the woods in the the back country and the coyotes are out near the roads and the settled areas so um I I'd
1:30:39
be really surprised if if we found that uh you know coyotes had any sort of measurable impact on moose yeah they're
1:30:45
on the dawn Valley spending their time trying to prate on ground squirrel
1:30:51
idiots driving up and down to Don Valley oh gentlemen um is there anything that
1:30:56
uh folks can do to help in your studies is there anything you'd like to just reach out and let them know
1:31:03
that yeah for sure so yeah a couple things you know one obviously we talked a bit about earlier if anyone harvests a
1:31:09
Collard moose just call the make sure you call the number on the on the caller to to give us back the the caller and
1:31:14
then to answer a couple questions but also in in Unit 13 in particular we're really hoping to to try to collect some
1:31:21
samples from folks that have harvested moose and and we'd like to do a number different things with those but looking at parasites and disease from from liver
1:31:28
kidney samples and things of that nature so um yeah we'll have we'll have crews out in the in the area and they can also
1:31:34
get in touch with us uh if they harvest a moose to try to um to try to provide a sample so that we can add it to the to
1:31:40
the samples that we're taking as part of this research project and help to answer some of the research questions there's
1:31:45
nothing right now that anybody should worry about in terms of moose meat so so they would be doing this strictly on a
1:31:51
voluntary basis just to have you find out if there's anything in their in their product that they've are they've
1:31:57
harvested and are going to consume it's not like we're looking for anything in particular yeah it would help us to
1:32:02
answer some of the questions you know like like Brett mentioned earlier there's lots of different things that that might influence moose populations
1:32:08
and diseases and parasites are are a big one and so um you know by by uh by
1:32:13
running some tests on some of the different things we can we can get at that but then also some of the other questions we're trying to answer around
1:32:19
sort of which uh some of the things we're hoping to do is trying to understand which bowls are are reproducing in the population how many
1:32:25
bulls are are needed there to to do that and so um getting a small muscle sample we can we can do some DNA analysis and
1:32:32
it helps us answer some of the larger questions we're hoping to do in in the project yeah and and just to answer your question too about the should people be
1:32:39
concerned like from a health perspective we're not aware of any issues in our moose like sometimes people see little
1:32:45
white cysts in the meat um those are cyst from a parasite called Tania but
1:32:51
it's perfectly safe just just cook it to be safe but there's no no risk to people there and then sometimes we get people
1:32:56
send us pictures of moose they shot that have these sort of dark warts on the outside of papalas and and again those
1:33:02
are benign perfectly safe you know they they're not pretty to look at but they're not harmful in any way so so far
1:33:09
as far as we know there's really nothing in our moose and Ontario that that people should be uh worried about from a
1:33:15
a human health point of view uh moose burger or moose steak
1:33:20
oh that's a loaded question I mean parts of the body uh you know Burger is
1:33:26
perfectly fine but uh you're not going to catch me grinding up the back strap boy do you both hunt by the way
1:33:34
hunt Moose there you go that's good good I've never haven't hunted moose yet but uh yeah it's on the on the list perfect
1:33:41
perfect perfect uh gentlemen thank you very much for joining us been a pleasure Brent let's not make it uh 15 years in
1:33:47
between visits no happy to come back anytime all right we'll uh we'll uh keep
1:33:53
checking up with with you if you got anything new to talk to us uh in terms of your studies and and findings
1:33:59
probably as as important uh we'd love to have you back yeah thank you gentlemen thanks guys take care there you go
1:34:06
interesting stuff I'm all about Burger though well I got you have not had a good backstrap then you must yeah course
1:34:14
really oh well you take a burger you take moose yeah burger and you mix it
1:34:20
with wild boar oh okay now it's not straight Mose 40 so let's and it and
1:34:26
then what about what about a backstrap wrapped with wild Bo bacon yeah
1:34:32
oh yeah I am hungry right now brother that'd be okay if you have any that
1:34:38
you'd like me to sample I don't have either I got a Pike in the freezer right now if that'll do it's close enough uh
1:34:45
that's great you know it's true it seems like we're always trying to stay on top of moose not literally but trying to
1:34:52
stay on top of uh of their populations it's always it always seems to be every year it seems to be issues we have
1:34:59
enough or or is this segment but don't you think I don't know if you think the same way when I hear about big game
1:35:06
hunting in Ontario you hear so much about deer the regular talks about deer deer and deer venison you don't hear as
1:35:12
much about moose like just this seems like that that's kind of a secondary subject which it shouldn't be because
1:35:18
you're right it's the it's the ultimate in big game uh in any North America I would think yeah not only you know if
1:35:25
you're just a Trophy Hunter not only because of its magnificent antlers and all that stuff delicious the HT the hunt
1:35:32
the protein the excitement I mean it's just it is it's got to be up there with
1:35:38
with some of the big game of the just I don't know just for me it just seems like nobody really talks too much about the moose and the and the general public
1:35:44
don't really know anything about about moose or the population like they really don't they know a bit about deer cuz
1:35:49
they hear about them down here all over the southern parts and all that but that's why I was hoping to get get a an
1:35:54
idea on the number of tags and the number of moose Hunters each year to give us sort of gauge I think the reason
1:36:01
you hear more about deers because there's more people harvesting deer hunting deer um well I mean there a
1:36:07
finite number of of licenses right they can't no matter how many people there can be more applications they're still
1:36:13
not going to be if you're listening to this and you have the answers I I find it hard to believe that that m&f has not
1:36:20
posted somewhere on their site each year the number of moose tags that in fact
1:36:27
are are up for grabs I I would think you know do you know about that I don't know I apply every year and I've I haven't
1:36:33
got a tag at but um you don't see a number like they don't tell you like what you're up against somebody's got to
1:36:39
have a number I mean let's be honest about it that would make I'd be pissed
1:36:44
off have 3,000 tags you could be one of those tags that's all I have to say you're right anyways good uh if anybody
1:36:52
has that info Buy means reach out to us at uh wherever it is that you reach out to us at Dean knows info@ fishing
1:36:59
candid.com thank you very much uh Mr Bowman that's a moose moose that a it
1:37:06
that's it Bud we made it buy another one another one holy Mack Bites the Dust uh on behalf of the entire crew uh volula
1:37:14
behind the cameras uh Nick in and out and of course uh Mr Dean Taylor
1:37:21
our uh he is Mr Peter I'm Angel B thanks for joining us we'll catch you next
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