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and now another exciting episode in The Adventures of Outdoor Journal
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radio well hello there and welcome to the program thanks for joining us I'm Angelo Biola he is Peter Bowman hi there
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and this is Outdoor Journal Radio podcast yeah come on now not to be
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confused with Outdoor Journal radio which is in the past this is Now podcast or Outdoor Journal television which is
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in the past past like way past like you're going way back now I was listening to that intro do you if I gave
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you a goose call right now do you think it how long would it take you to learn to call a goose in do you think the hell kind of a question is
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that well because you hear this geese so you what geese sound like we have Goose geeses and gooses on the on our intro
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I'm just saying we have turkeys around here a goose call in hand good Angelo Viola could he learn how to call geese
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do you think with a goose call yeah yeah yeah oh I'm good at that [ __ ] yeah oh
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okay watch me go okay why did you want to put a little Waiter on something I'm just wondering when you hear that the
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two tones of a goose and then all the different types of calling and all that it's very intricate it's like duck it's
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like calling mards there there's the feeding Chuckles there's the highball call there's all kinds of different
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stuff you have to learn you know what I mean the barn swallow now there is a
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difficult you know how to call it a swallow don't you yes sir thank you Dean
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uh welcome to program another wonderful episode coming your way later on we'll be joined by a fascinating gentleman his
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name is Ryder nlon and uh did you find this guy like how
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does this work why would I I I found him through a fellow podcaster Jamie pelli
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ah he was a client of his and he recommended the book so it's a great book uh it's sitting right here as you
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can see in front of Mr Bowman or beside Mr Bowman's because there's a Mr Bowman
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here and then there's a Mr Bowman there easy on the head there e all right going to break me uh the book is called a
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collection of Untold uh sto stories they I will tell you they are all outdoor
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stories and the guides you forgot the main part oh it's Untamed it's Untamed
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Untamed Untold the same thing like if you were Untamed you would probably be Untold because you're not tame it's true
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true and if you were Untold it means you have no people you know encumbering your space you're probably Untamed as well
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and naked too naked there a bunch of [ __ ] thank you Jimmy long
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enough um anyways fascinating book and equally fascinating gentleman he'll be joining us a little later on with some
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uh wonderful stories about the outdoors that we can all relate to yes sir for sure in the meantime Mr bman yes sir
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fishing Canada season is hot and running right now bud just hot and running hot
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and running yeah I like that hey you like that don't you kid yeah our news our new episodes are airing weekly as we
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speak um on the global television network and then on Sportsman Channel Canada World
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Fishing Network wfn they call that and on a bunch of smaller stations uh as well um yeah and the story you're going
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to you're going to go into that whole story are you that's that's a whole different thing a whole different thing that's the fishing Canada television now
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you're going to go to fishing canada.com and then the web store on top of that there's three things that we have to intro here you know that right well do
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we because the listener feedback uh that we're going to read here in a moment might suggest that maybe not see but
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listener feedback we love that we and this one I love what he's he or she has written in but they have to remember
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that they're not the only listen if we get new new listeners in we need to get them towards our our TV show on our
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website and our we get new people every week there you go every every week There's new people we have to sorry for
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the redundancy and the repetitiveness etc etc if we keep going on but sometimes we have to that's for business you know we have to do that for a
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business winter sale then let's that's not uh then for sure now that you explain it that way I'm good with it the
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winter sale at fishing Canada the store is uh is on it's happening although
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around here get doesn't look like winter around actually you could just wear this stuff out there now thin jacket or
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whatever you don't even need your winter jacket just came in in my hoodie I came in in my hoodie just all you need right
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now so mild yeah apparently we're not having winter sales see we're again new
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new items are in stock now we should read all the pages in the book apparently where'd you get winter sale
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from anyway oh you saw that white picture all the win I saw that I try and be professional I don't want to
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say oh we now have free shipping on all orders uh no so I look at at this fall
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beautiful fall color sale oh sorry exactly it looks like looks like to me a Witter scene we're just tring to see if
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Nick is listening to us here oh yeah he's busy he's busy oh Nick is busy busy he can't listen to you are you kidding
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me hey did you see him have you seen him go through that phone while he's while we're on here he can listen these kids
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are multitaskers now but that phone and and you know he can't listen to you they
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can talk on the phone and watch YouTube at the same time I don't know how my lovely grandson Nick Nick e v give me a
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hell yeah was asking you if you want a beer right now yes L one thank you all can we get on with the show done
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on with the show so um we have a listener feedback from actually the name
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is maple _ 32 via Apple podcast that's a
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festar rating of isn't it Dean yep it was is that's a five star thank you very
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much maple appreciate it all we appreciate all of this including what
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you wrote and uh Maple says I'm 30 years old and on the road for work I love to
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listen to the podcast every week entertaining and informative I watch the
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fishing Canada show as as he just mentioned MH uh I growing up mhm
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watching the fishing can show and I also have to say that the quality of the past couple of seasons is far
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better and I can still appreciate the made for TV Style versus the raw YouTube
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content that I also watch frequently so vula he's talking about you obviously uh
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he says the last couple of Seasons he thinks are are the best that we've ever produced in 40 years is that is vul's
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nickname Maple did vula write this well you know what he's getting smarter and smarter he just might have I don't know
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that's his new nickname now Maple hey Maple that's a pretty good one
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actually anyways thank you very much for that uh appreciate it but there's more
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oh yeah one critique is that some of the talk now I'm assuming and Dean is assuming as well and Ang I'm sure you're
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going to assume this is going back to our podcast here I think so one critique is that yes so because we're just talking about fishing Canada uh some of
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the topics though important are starting to get a bit redundant uh I.E live scope I.E Catch and Release I.E invasive
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species Etc but I do agree with your viewpoints I really like when you guys talk about specific trips techniques and
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have on unique guests to bring you New Perspectives and discuss topics outside of my current knowledge biology poaching
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guiding Etc uh I also enjoy the format fan questions news Etc and length of the show keep up to great work and off the
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cuff humor so okay he can so what is what what's going on here so we we
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obviously talk a lot about ie livescope yeah for sure we do Catch and Release we do for sure invasive species well
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definitely we do about all that but all three of those things are uh items that
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we experience every day of our lives in this business and passionate about we speak lives scope because we use it
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pretty much every day for sure you know most of the year when we're out in the road uh producing shows or just fishing
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we are using it yeah so for us to talk about it on a regular basis seems like a
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natural thing yeah it's a product it's a product we love to use right we will say that yeah Catch and Release um you know
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you mentioned earlier on we have new people coming into the show on a regular basis Dean but we also have new Anglers
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coming into fishing on a regular basis and most of those Anglers that are coming in for the first time are from
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other jurisdictions that don't practice uh the
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same uh fish management or Wildlife Management that we do in this country so
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I feel that it's incumbent upon us and People Like Us in the industry to
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continually talk about Catch and Release and other good sound um
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management tools that are in place for fishery and Wildlife so and I think Maple would agree that we do talk about
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keeping some fish too we're not we're not we certainly don't I mean you go to our uh our Instagram right now you'll
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see how to f a pike you know what I mean we have stuff like that we didn't release that baby that baby tasted good
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got released straight into the frying pan and then the invasive species thing you know what yeah maybe we're going to
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harp on that this is a modern day important point that we really need to drive home you it's not even well it is
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here in other species but we're talking about the grass carp and the Asian carp ET if it hits us people we are in
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trouble so we can just stay ahead of that curve that's I mean we're harping on it but it's important you know what I mean that one for sure fact I recently
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reviewed an episode that we're going to unleash on the viewing public very soon
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of the fishing Canon show that has to do with that invasive species subject matter absolutely so it's an ongoing
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thing and much like the catch and release uh situation uh we're living it
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every day and we just feel important I know I know sometimes it gets a little
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redundant to folks who tune in here every episode but um there's a reason
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for it and I think we as in a group um have to continue making assumptions that
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not not everybody is in tune with with what we do and think and believe in so
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um yep having said all that uh he gave us five stars he gave us five stars so we appreciate that and and uh don't ever
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think that we're trying to uh rebut it you make good valid points but AB we
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just try and tell you the reason why uh it sounds a little and by the way if you're not using Liv scope if you're
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fishing and you're not using Liv scope well we're going to keep harping see that's just it we're going to keep
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harping until you do there you go because if you're not using that type of
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Technology you're not fishing today by today's standards there you go thank you come on
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now and if you are like Maple and would like to uh [Music]
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critique Us by all means I we enjoy it we love it it's wonderful it's good to
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hear actually make sure productive much like Maple you give us a nice festar rating though at the end of it because
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it just it helps us come on now that's right thank you we'd appreciate that all
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right uh Under The Canopy boy have I is it my imagination or have I seen Mr
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wette what the heck is going on one too many times I thought you hired him maybe I thought he's working here now here
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full time he's he's opening and closing the the doors before we get here we go home man this man is on fire he is
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putting out episodes like crazy well we've just changed the whole new we got a whole new studio on his own now you
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know what I mean this guy's he's making the money for us he got an office here now that's what I mean that's right he does have now Roots right he can come in
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and go I used to go to that office I used to have that office was your private little domain Jerry's got it now
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wet well use one of your other two offices down the hall there can't take those those Nick's offices oh those are
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Nicks oh yeah all right yeah anyways uh new episode is up and running it's been
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dropped it has dropped dropped the needle uh for Under The Canopy a
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wonderful product if you have not uh hooked up with Jerry wallette and Under
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The Canopy as of yet well shame on you the nice thing about podcast is that you
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can always start and then go back and and catch the whole deal see see when I
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was on radio problem is people could I remember back in the day people couldn't do that
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that's right they could if they didn't tune in Saturday morning on The FAN 590
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for the for the 2hour show yeah they would have damn it's almost it was
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almost a waste of your time wasn't it it was a waste and I had so many people say hey a buddy of mine said that on the
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show you were talking about uh the purple goose feathered Humper nickel and I want to
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know more about it because uh I've got one in my backyard do you know how to call them in do get a goose little call
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I guess you did you notice that oh I noticed your movement there too yes indeed and uh I'd have to say well
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there's nothing I could do I it's gone it's behind us into the obss that
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too and so now the beauty of podcast is that you can go catch it all you haven't
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missed a thing if if you haven't joined until now you haven't missed a thing so we haven't got we have no recordings of your old radio shows wow we have them in
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house here we have not all we have the whole show no no no no no we have little Clips like I think special little clips
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and stuff I can't believe that some the the fan would not have kep a record of all of everything were they not it's it
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was analog baby there's no real they had tapes by the way you going to have have uh I don't want to let the cat out of
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the bag but we're going to have a show coming up here in the next few weeks with a very special individual that you
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and I have been uh fortunate enough to know for a number of years and he was behind some of the production on that
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radio show oh yes I do know and uh and uh when we have him on we're going to
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play some of the stuff that he produced the little the little pieces that oh my God I listened to him the other
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day I heard some of those too oh my God maybe some new uh some repeating sound
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bites we could put them back in the upate the board oh yeah for sure for sure especially Hans and FRS oh God I
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can't wait you look a little tense they were good oh there's something to look
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forward you'll know why we're laughing when uh it's going to hit in a couple of weeks on this show so quickly J Jerry's
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interview with Jack Summers on uh on metal detectors which is uh seems to be
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getting to be more popular all the time than subject is kind of you're you're seeing more people walking around
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beaches Etc like that we uh Jack even come over one time my wife lost her
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wedding ring engagement ring and Jack came over with a machine and they did a search Danny done no they didn't find it
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but they find anything else hey I don't I'm not sure if they they might have made some money on that deal eh well
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making money is what it's all about today CU a lot of people have started businesses absolutely and all they do is
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travel around the world to hot zon hot zones in in the metal detecting business
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means places that are either uh currently producing um uh exotic metals
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and orines or that are historically um you know producing this
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stuff so now you've got people making living that's what they do they travel around the world with these all these
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machines that easy job beautiful walking around nice and slow scanning headphones
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on you know what that be be perfect for you oh hell yeah think about it because because you want to be slow on that job
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right uh I'd have Mega Death coming through here so I'd never be able to hear the signals I wouldn't be able to panta and Slayer wonder if wonder if my
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wife threw that wedding ring away I wonder if she just get I said get Jack in here to find it you save my marriage
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yeah maybe how'd that work out for you she got she's got the ring and she's stuck with me still dude you didn't hear
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a gunshot did you anyways uh wonderful uh product it's called Under The Canopy
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it's on the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast Network as we speak how do people find the network I've had some
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folks ask me how does it work if you scroll down on any of our podcasts okay
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let's say I'm not on any of your podcasts okay I'm sitting at home and I
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don't want to watch the Leafs anymore cuz there is three nothing and they're too good thank you just so how do I get
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on the network so you open up your podcast app whether that's Spotify or apple or whatever you use and you look
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up the name and they'll all come up in order in order of most played that's how
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they'll come up on your phone what will all our Jal radio so I have to get to
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outdoor so I got to type in Outdoor Journal radio and that's it that should be enough yeah and they'll all come up
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right there and they all have a little tag on the corner so you know they belong to us on the left side there you
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go man if you didn't know that's how you get it done pretty soon you're not even going to have to do right you're just
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going to think the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast and it's going to somehow come on all your devices your computer's in
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front of you out of this microphone you're going to start hearing their headphones and those two guys in the front they're going to start talking to you right there bobbling their heads
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well you know what I mean it wouldn't be a bad idea we're not getting any younger and be a good podcast just have it all
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right two guys I think it'd be great good little bit anyways that could be great oh God in the news at uh fishing
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Canada yes sir cuz we were talking about that earlier on at the Gateway the portal to
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your next fishing Adventure give me a hell yeah hell yeah in the news on said
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portal is uh first deer with chronic wasting disease found in
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BC yeah so more provinces and more provinces are starting why is that
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significant well I would think the mere geography of it all would make it significant because head on that thing
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woo that is not good look at the neck yeah whoa anyway sorry for those just
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listening and not watching it's a nasty looking disease it it it it it's BC has
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always been treated from a wildlife standpoint as its own uh uh Wildlife
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Zone because of the mountains well the mountains kind of keep everything to the side and and uh now with this showing up
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on uh on the other side of the divide it's it's something to be uh concerned
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about and there's a whole story about it on uh on the news uh you know what the the weird one is and and Dean and I were
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talking about this yesterday is that Ontario still has not had a case a
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reported case we've never had airmed case ever Ontario really yep we've got
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as many as almost anybody we surrounded by it I got looking at the map yesterday
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now I mean in the summertime there's a lot of water that separates the US like Northern us has a lot right a ton a ton
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there's a lot of water that separates but up in northern Minnesota I think it's Minnesota there is a chance they could come across the border there quite
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easily right but up until up until then it might be difficult for them if it doesn't freeze if the W the rivers don't
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freeze etc etc but there there has to be deer up here there's people are just ignoring it or I I don't think people
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test as much as they should probably right most hunters don't even know about it it's not a concern but it's probably
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what it is and it's funny cuz when it's not in your own backyard you don't really right and do you want to know
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well that's the other thing you don't know don't I wouldn't want to find out that I ate a deer with CWD I've eaten a lot of deer right I don't really I'd
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prefer not to know so that's one way of looking at it at the risk of sounding stupid because I
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haven't read the article that is on fishing canada.com in the news section that's uh
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headline by first deer with chronic Wast wasting disease found in BC I haven't read that does it talk about um what you
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just said you know if if a human comes in contact with a deer with CWD or
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chronic waste disease is it uh something that we can catch so it's not advised that you
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consume it cuz they so there's never been a confirmed case in humans but they did a study on MAA which are pretty much
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as close to humans as you can get and they got CWD just by eating the meat wow
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so they caught it humans have never but you don't want to be the first one very
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quickly how did it affect the maaz how what did Happ that I don't know but it it's like it's deadly like 100% you
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won't survive CWD all these year die so and then episode 90 of the of our
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podcast here joural Radio podcast zombie deer disease with Lissa we did a whole thing on that whole thing on that too so
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if anybody wants to listen up and learn a little bit more about that it's just it's an interesting subject and and obviously very little known about it
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really especially ontarians you would think we'd be right up to date on it everybody would especially with the amount of deer
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that we have in this province we have a lot of white tail in this province right oh yeah tons very quickly is is there
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like a mule deer more uh affected by it or easier affected by it than white Taylor were the first ones to get it
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okay and I think it started in Colorado there's what happens there's what happens if you come in contact with that
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yeah yeah the deer look good up there anyway I know I know anyways uh it's a story that we should all be staying in
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touch with it's uh sitting there right now waiting for you to read it on outdoor uh on the fishing Canada uh.com
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portal yes sir under news under news how about the uh this week's fan question
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Angela well how about it how about from Brandon Forbes from Alberta another Alberton I love this we got lots of
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westerners that are are listening in and and and joining us I mean they they love their fishing they love their fishing
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and hunting mhm oh my God hunting and drinking you figure well they should love
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drinking this is one of the first provinces to have the drive-through beer that's right damn it pull up hey give me
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a 12 pack after hours give me a 12 Canadian or whatever you want again yeah hell yeah anyways Brandon we're not
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saying that Brandon you Drinker or you're not we're not saying anything like that nor do we we're uh we just we
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don't drink well no we we don't want to sound like a bunch of you know drunks do we probably did with that intro to this
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right there proba be sound like a couple of crackheads or something oh that's nice that's going to translate really
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well well you know just saying all right Brandon asked by the way by the way did you hear uh uh what's his name crackhead
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Bob no I love crackhead I do too yeah I miss him but no um bé bé on uh Michael
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bé yeah on he was on the NHL's uh Allstar event no I didn't see you didn't
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watch that no it was hilarious did you watch it Dean I didn't watch it oh so he comes on so I love that guy he's got a
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great sense of humor oh does he ever I had no idea so he comes on he's a little bit on the Wild Side during the um the
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event itself because he was one of the team co- captains right and anyways then they did an interview with him sort of
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away from that venue just as a an interview post and man he was hilarious yeah Frank
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he what' you give me you told me that mushroom was just like and he goes into this whole thing about his buddy Frank
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who gave him this mushroom that he said oh it just it'll chill you a little bit just get the nerves up before the NHL
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thing and you'll be fine and anyways he's giving this guy [ __ ] that that it wasn't just you know anyways look it up
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I'm sure we could be able to find that hilarious and that reminded me of you with the uh comment with the comment yeah that's right crackhead Bob that's
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right carry on crackhead bé is that what you're saying I don't know I mean some people might look at that interview and
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say wow anyways Brandon Forbes from Alberta says do you think the popularity of fishing
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on social media has had a positive or negative effect on the sport and and
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certain areas that's a good one I mean it's just it's going to be just our opinions right
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but uh so so that I don't get this right so so Brandon wants to know has social
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media has the internet had a positive or negative
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effect on fishing is that what he's basically saying on the sport on fishing General and in
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certain areas and some fishing areas I'm assuming that's what he's asking that's what it looks like to me y yeah well
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that's a great question that's a because I think it's had both probably I'm going to say it's it's had to have had both
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right so more people are fishing because of the internet the popularity it's it it can't
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it can't not make it more popular because you're making it more popular by posting and posting and posting right
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you with total certainty that the license sales here in this country MH if
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you were to do a two decade study yes maybe even a three decade study would
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probably be a little more uh in informative you'll see that there's been a
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decline in license sales really like per capita yeah yeah so now having said that
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we know that more people are fishing so there's a bit of a a
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disconnect there more people are publicly fishing like they they tell you they're they're they tell you yeah yeah
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yeah well no we see it too yeah we see it out in the field I I I I I think we
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see more people fishing today yeah it seems like that to us anyway our population has expanded mhm but yet if
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we go back 25 years you'll see that with a much smaller
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population we had greater license fishing license sales yeah throughout
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the country interesting yeah at one point that number was 6.8 million
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licenses uh were sold uh or was it eight 8 million I
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can't remember anyways I know I've looked at the numbers and there's been a bit of a decline in license sales now in
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the last since Co we haven't seen any numbers so I don't know how Co impacted
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I'm sure Co had an impact on it they said the immediate impact was huge was way up but now it's probably leveling
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out I would think right so it's not as big a boost as we may
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think uh over the last decade or so but it's it's given the let's go to the
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negative site here in my opinion social media has given the whatever you want to call them
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keyboard cow Bo the is what I'll call them easy
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it's it's giv them that that hey what are you doing when this fish why are you doing that why are you fishing why are
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you hurting the you know so give so it's brought more negativity or them to be able to give their negative comments
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more to the public right and get shared by a thousand a million people whatever it is so it's brought maybe more light
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to negativity on it but those numbers of people are are minuscule compared to the
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positives I think that are in the social media world I think I mean when you if they see a picture of your big musky
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from the St Lawrence River there's not many that are going to say oh my God you you hurt that fish Angelo you're going
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to see a lot of people are going to say oh my God I need to catch one of those myself as a mutant of a fish 50 pounds
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of musky fantastic well done it's got to be higher got to be a higher rtio you know I don't know I don't know I don't
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know with total certainty with that higher or lower more positive or more negative with hands holding up a 50 lb
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musky in a picture a social media picture more positive because of the people who follow us but I think if you
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put that on an account that wasn't ours it would be mostly negative really you
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put it on like the CBC oh okay something like that yeah like I'm hugging this
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big slimy fish you know I don't know I don't question the other one's probably
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more interesting to me and that is as it pertains to certain areas so what is I
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think he's saying there have some of the um hidden fishing gems now been exposed
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through social media what he saying I'll put give you a shot my shot on that one too as well I think the the norm of
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social media posts and fishing are hiding where they're fishing that's just
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my thought they you see them blur horribly blurred out backgrounds all the time you know if you find out the L he's
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on he's on right besides Ryan besides Ryan Flo who are you talking about no
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you look honestly you you look on that and you'll see that there's hardly anything about where they got them you
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know what I mean or something like that like pretty opposite of what the fishing Canada show is um and maybe justifiably
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so you maybe you don't want to put a post out there that goes to Millions upon millions and isn't a popular area I
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don't know but I think there it's more not talked about than talked about in that sense hidden so I don't think uh
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too detrimental on the on the areas no so so the areas are okay they they they've escaped
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one of the best spots I I have at West where I went to school was from a YouTube video background of a YouTube
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video you could see a bridge looked at a map found the bridge Dean's one of those guys right there one of those guys I was
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one of those guys now now you find you said oh [ __ ] I've seen what I can do that somebody else can do that yeah so
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yeah it happens like that that's going to happen well I remember that on a fishing Cannon episode one time on be Quinny your me and your brother Reno we
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were fishing on a spot that I had found uh a tiny spot from to the camera away
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that's it a little B tiny spot and the cameraman decided to go on Shore and in doing so he shot the other side which
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had a tower on the other side and next next season I saw about 16 boats hitting
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that thing through it every time youd go there just guys were just pounding it and and never I never cut a fish off it again something like that so it happens
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but oh well H good question I think uh thank you Brandon Forbes from Alberta
30:51
via email that's way by the way the best way to get a hold of us I don't know if I said his name wrong you just did that
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it's fobes unless you spell it wrong I I copied that right from the email he may
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have spelled it wrong I said Forbes didn't I you did I think I might have too you might have too and I the only reason I said for because you did we got
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to play that back we have to play that back DE after the show just please just for my own sake the only reason because
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I can clearly see it's Foles yeah I know but because I'm I'm you subliminally
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subjected to my constant my power Conant the power of Pete the power on me I I
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screwed it up and then people think it's me and it's not me it's not him folks it's me trust me it's not me it's
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him terrible influence he's he's the problem that question should be what kind of negative influence has Peter
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gentleman uh a fascinating gentleman let me let let me take that back it's got to be fascinating if you call him the main
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feature cuz you you and I should be the main features you lost that you lost that a long time ago he never had it Bud
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never uh uh author of an incredible book that I highly recommend folks get out
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and uh find it's uh um a collection of Untamed stories and the author is Ryder
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Nolton who joins us now Ryder how are you hey guys how you doing doing great man doing great buddy thanks for uh
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taking the time to join us um so before we get into the book itself because there's some
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fascinating things I want to go over on that part of it uh tell us a little bit about how the book came about what what
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was just the Genesis of you saying because I'm always intrigued by this like authors wake up one day and say I
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am going to author a book is that the way it works yeah you know this one was an evolution it was more of a journey
35:52
than than a project you know from Soup To Nuts the whole thing probably took 10 years and it and it's because it it it
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probably started from as you you know as you said an inspiration to do it and and then evolved into really at the time was
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just going to be a collection of stories that I wanted to record so that I could share them with our kids someday or
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share them with friends really it didn't evolve into a book until well down the
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path and and you know the inspiration for it probably you know started if if I
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really go back to kind of my early days you know the the stuff that my family meaning you know my dad my grandfather
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you know the things that they always valued they never really cared what you had materialistically but if you could
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carve a decoy you know or if you could make a turkey call or even better if you
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could work a turkey call you know that's the stuff that my dad if you could catch a fish if you could get a fish in the
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boat oh then you really impress the family you know and and so I just grew
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up in a family where you know knowledge of the Outdoors was not just valued but it was really respected and so I just I
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feel like I kind of grew up in that environment and and um you know I grew up on a a little farm an old family farm
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I was the fourth generation on the farm in central New York and um when I went off to college uh my dad got a job in
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the Port of Savannah and so we moved to Savannah Georgia great big culture shock as you can imagine going from upstate to
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New York to the the Deep South but um you know as part of that um process we
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got to know some the folks in that area and one of the people who lives in the
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Low Country if you will that part of Georgia is a guy named Raz Reed and this goes back now 30 years but you know back
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in the early 90s Raz was with sage rods and because of our family relationship I
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got to meet a bunch of the guys at Sage rods at you know at a an early stage of
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my you know outdoor life if you will my sporting career and this would have been kind of early to mid 20s and I was was
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allowed to tag along with those guys with Raz and his his crew on some
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incredible trips and and by tag along you know my job was to keep my mouth shut and you know and learn and and not
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ask too many questions but I was allowed to go and you know in those days this would have been early to been 90s those
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were some of the best fly fishermen in the world at that time and I we knew we
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knew somebody before before I forget from Sage from Sage back back in the
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'90s mid godd and and who in the hell was that damn I hate I hate getting old rer
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cuz oh yeah I'm right with you the guy from the north you know s Raz of course
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was The Sage rep for the Southeastern us but the guy up north that um that would
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always be part of the group was a guy named George cook and George um you know he had that
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Vancouver um Seattle you know range for sage and then there were guys like Ed
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Ward Ed Ward at that that time was one of the top spay cters in the world and um and these were guys a lot of the guys
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from Alaska and anyways it just even though I was just a normal guy with a job and a wife and kids and student
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loans I was I was exposed to people who were you know in essence professional fisherman you know and they were and
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that was an inspiring time for me I got to be around these people and not only learn But realize wow these guys you
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know make a living doing this and these guys you know get to travel the world
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you know fishing and how cool is that and uh you know and so you know the
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whole guide thing for me probably didn't start really till then I got then into my 30s is since we grew up on a farm you
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know going out if we wanted to go hunting for rabbits or something we just went out back right and then when we
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when we moved to Georgia for the first time in my life and that would have been my late teens early 20s I got exposed to
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like leasing land you know if you want to have property to go do stuff outside and you don't have the farm anymore you
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lease property but when I got in my 30s I started kind of getting the first taste of travel sporting travel
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traveling to go fishing traveling to go hunting and you know if you're from the Eastern us like like I am those first
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little foray into the West you know for us are usually maybe it's analou hunting in Wyoming maybe it's the first step of
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white tail hunting into Texas and those were the first baby steps I took but that was where for the first time I
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realized wow these you know this is what a guide is and I got introduced to guides and quickly learned that if
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you're not in your own backyard man there's these these folks are invaluable and and I just formed some great
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friendships and over time heard some great stories and those stories eventually turned obviously into the book I'm curious how did you pay the
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bills during this adventure this journey that you went on yeah cuz that cannot be cheap especially by the places that
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you've been there yeah there you got to be able to fund it and afford it or whatever right what do you do for a living what did you do for a living yeah
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no it's a great question and I get asked at all the time and there's probably two answers people say how do you do it and
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and and there's probably two answers the first is thank goodness I've got a supportive wife that knows it's an important part of my life right and and
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and and and that's obviously important you know really there there have been two phases to my Sporting Life and to
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answer your question Pete I'm in commercial real estate so I'm a real estate guy you know I spent most of my
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career in Atlanta and and for the last 10 years I've been working in the Charlotte Market um but you know you
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know there's really been two phases there was kind of my early days where I didn't have any money at all you know
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and and and both my wife and I come from very modest Families my folks live today
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to this day my folks live in a a one-bedroom Farmhouse outside of San Georgia and and uh you know our kids to
41:45
this day and they're both now in their 20s but our kids to this day have never slept in a bed visiting the grandparents
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you know you slept on the floor if you were lucky got a couch and if you were really lucky somebody would go find a c
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pull a c from the barn and set it up for you but you know in those days um you
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know I I I had no funds and and obviously you always have time
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limitations and so I say there was probably two things one you know I I
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prioritized fishing and hunting so much you know I was I was kind of forming my
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real estate career you know I was maybe getting to be known as one of the new young guys who you know could together
42:26
real estate deals in Atlanta but at that time I you know I had no money and I was covered up in student loan debt and so
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you're going to laugh at this but I literally spent my 20s driving the same old beat up truck with 300,000 miles on
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it and no air conditioning until you George airing know yourself at another
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whole level for sure wow so the the reason we brought you on the show by the way can I
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ask you one more question before we get too far when you're writing a book going back to the writing thing do you just
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have a pad and paper there and you just start scrubbing stuff down you talking to your phone you got 10 years of
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recording this stuff before you even put it out what do you do to get that finally to a book what's the process
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yeah Pete no it's um you know so these the the real the early inspiration was probably the Condit family of Wyoming
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and this is a legendary outfitting family out west and I spent a lot of I've spent 20 years now with Mark cond
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and we've hunted all sorts of stuff together but in those days in the early ear days of me hearing these stories and
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maybe I was sitting in a ranch house or maybe I was sitting around a campfire but um I started literally the only
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piece of paper I would have was my boarding pass from wherever I had flown in from and you know I did a lot you
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know I was getting into Mountain hunting I was packing light and that would be the only piece of paper I would had and
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so I would literally you know I would hear stories around the camp and that night whether I was sleeping in the
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bottom of a bunk house or out literally sometimes in a onean tent stuck on the side of a mountain you know with a
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headlamp at night um I would jot down you know notes from the stories IID
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heard that day around the around the camp and I did that for years and years
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until literally I had this stack of boarding passes for years notes and I said man I gotta type this stuff up I'm
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gonna lose these things and So eventually I typed them up and that effectively we kind of became the first
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draft if you will you know of the guides that's cool that's a great story that's I mean imagine if you and I had done
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that from from day one of fishing Canada through Outdoor Journal traveling and all that oh my God so uh we bought
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brought you on the show because we often hear stories we interview guides we do a lot of work with guides we we use guides
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uh ourselves all the time but the part that was interesting from uh for this
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story was that we're getting stories from the other side you know this a you're you're a guy who uses guides who
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has used guides all his life and um what's really fascinating um is that
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you've been able to take all of these wonderful Journeys that guides have been
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on and put them into a book and that's what makes the story lines here the the
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whole thing fascinating and uh uh now I know why having talked to you uh this
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morning I I know why you were the type to get all of this
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wonderful we'll call them folklore because I'm sure a lot of them are not you you just picked this stuff up from a
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guy and assume that he was telling you the truth right I yeah you do the best you can and and I'll be honest with you
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you can't make some of this stuff up I mean these are these are folks that live and breathe you know at the end of the trip I fly back to civilization these
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folks live out there and they you know these these folks live in the you know in the in the in the jungles and they
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live up in nunit or they they live out in the middle of Alaska and this is their life year round so you can't make
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the day-to-day life that these folks have you just can't make it up and on that note I I certainly a lot of the
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stories uh in the book originate from Canada um the fascination with Canada
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but and I'm talking as an American that you are there's a fascination with Canada that it's it's it's the Last
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Frontier and we have to get up there before our you know before it's over and
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we have to get up there and hunt and fish and and and discover things uh
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that's still going on today not just when you were doing the the early research for this book but it's still
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going on today Americans are fascinated with with our outdoors in Canada give us
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a little bit of perspective on that would you yeah and is it everything that you thought it was going to be yeah you
46:47
know everything you're saying is is so accurate you know when you think about and this is just my perspective when I
46:53
think about the the the Great Wilderness to the world and listen people today are starting to explore Antarctica and and
46:59
Greenland's now become a destination so I get all that but when you really think about you know kind of the the Practical
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places if you will you know you know I when you think about real Wilderness you
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know you you think about parts of the Amazon you think about you know surely
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you think about western or northern Alaska um you got to think about some of
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the big concessions in Wild Africa you know and and yeah big parts of Australia
47:27
are remote but the areas that are really sporting destinations you know are pretty defined and so when you really
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start thinking about it I mean I'm not sure that Canada isn't the greatest Wilderness on Earth really if you really
47:40
think about it and and then you get you start thinking about the diversity the incredible diversity of Canada and you
47:46
just work your work you know work your way across the provinces and you you know you start in the East and think
47:52
about the you know what today to this day is maybe my number one one bucket list you know wish list of all time is
47:58
to get up into Labrador New Finland and go try to catch a six pound Brookie which you guys do all the time but for
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me it would be a dream you know and then you know you think about the the the legendary salmon fishing of of the St
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Lawrence in kubec and you think about the legendary you know the fish oh my gosh the the maybe the greatest fishing
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in the world in Ontario and then work you know getting into you know some of the most beautiful Rocky Mountains in
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North America the Rockies and and then eventually you get to what you know
48:29
people talk about is the serengetti of North America which is BC you know and
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maybe the greatest list of big game surely the the the the the the area that
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would closest rival Africa you know for just um you know incredible big game
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would be British Columbia so yeah no I think Canada has that view and I think it rightfully deserves it here's here's
48:53
a loaded question loaded question for you are Canadians As Nice people as
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everybody says you know what I the answer is absolutely yes but I want to give it
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more depth than that I I think this outdoor folks you know sporting people right men and women that you know that
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that that appreciate the outdoors and and I'm not talking about just catching a fish or shooting some game I mean
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people that appreciate the outdoors and appreciate that experience you know those are special people and I think
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those people are special wherever you find them around the world I have found that as I have been around the world doing this I have found that that is a
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consistent theme whether you're in parts of rural Africa or parts of remote Nunan it's just the same similar thing but
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yeah no Canadians it'd be hard pressed to find a group of people that are more enjoyable to be around than Canadians
49:46
and why wouldn't we we live here yeah we he's right right you guys get to do it
49:52
every day we live it we live lifestyle you don't have to fly through Minneapolis and and then head up and you
49:58
know take a flight up into Calgary you guys are there true Ryder you mentioned in the book that um your first
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connection to the outdoors was fishing and it wasn't until later in life that you started appreciating the hunt a
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little bit more take us through that if you will please well you know I grew up Central New York is a wonderful Outdoors
50:22
place and and to be honest with you it's taken me to grow up to appreciate what I
50:27
had as a kid as a kid you never really appreciate you know that you know that
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necessarily what you have right in front of you and um you know but but hunting in the in in the Northeast is is is
50:41
tough you know obviously the the weather's tough you just don't have this the number of animals and specifically
50:48
you you do a lot of still hunting in other words moving slowly through the woods when I went hunting with my dad
50:54
and was learning including in the early days when I got to carry an unloaded gun but you know I still went along you know
51:00
you still hunt you're moving through the woods and trying to get up to an animal when we moved to Georgia you know one of
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the incredible things about southern hunting versus Northern hunting for me as a kid at that time was the whole
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concept of food plots and and box stands and by food plots you're attracting you
51:19
know you've got these areas where you're seeing you know in instead of thick brush you're seeing animals in Open
51:24
Fields and and you have a visual relationship and an optical relationship with those animals that you just don't
51:30
get as a still Hunter you know in the snowy Woods of Central New York um and then Al to be honest with you you know a
51:36
box stand is great for a young person that's fidgety and moving around and and and would maybe be scaring everything
51:42
under the sun if they're out in a wild but when you're when you have the luxury of sitting in a big box you're blocked
51:48
and so I I just think that southern hunting for a kid at that time for me that would have been late teens Southern
51:55
hunting for me just gave me a you know just it was just I found it more exciting because you're seeing more
52:00
stuff and and you could kind of have more freedom to move around fishing for us from the start was always a very
52:07
serious thing in our family you know we we ate fish that we caught you know we we were a self-sustaining family and
52:15
hunting and fishing meant food for us and so you know fishing with my dad was never a fatherson bonding thing it was
52:20
just something we did and we did it you know in those days you know to fill up the freezer with fish
52:25
and um this was back in the 70s and and so I think just fishing for me probably was my first step you know you had asked
52:33
early on how the heck did you afford to do some of those early trips and and and the answer to it was even at the time
52:38
when I had no money I in in real estate is I would get deal deals done this is
52:43
in my 20s and early 30s you know in Atlanta when you got a deal done if the deal warranted celebration if it was
52:50
people you know if your client was happy and maybe it's folks you might have a chance to do another deal with down the day day you know or down the road and
52:57
everybody said yeah let's go celebrate it well in Atlanta for the most part that means taking somebody golfing you
53:03
know Atlanta's got great steak houses so maybe you take them out for a steak well the first deal I did that warranted a
53:10
celebration I was about 26 years old and to this day I can't believe I thought of it but I called my client and I said we
53:18
should celebrate this one and I want to take him fishing wow and and and and the
53:23
client surprisingly said okay give it a shot and I booked my first outfitting
53:30
trip as a fishing trip and and and what I I you guys will laugh you'll remember this legendary place in the 80s and 90s
53:37
I took them to the old peace and plenty Lodge on on Exuma in the Bahamas which 40 30 40 years ago was if you were a
53:44
bone fisherman that's where went yeah and it was a two-day trip and that was
53:49
it two-day trip about a day and a half of fishing and we flew in and the plane landed and it started raining and it
53:55
didn't stop raining for two days and we spent two days sitting at the bar drinking rum drinks and smoking cigars
54:01
and I was scared to death that I had blown it and we get back and I'm thinking I'm gonna get fired yeah and we
54:07
get back and the two clients called me the day next day and they said man we had a blast time of their life right
54:14
doing that and they had you know these guys might have done a bunch of golf stuff but they had never done an adventure fishing trip and even though
54:21
we spent two days sitting at the bar smoking cigars that for them it was a time of their life and and so that
54:28
became kind of the way that I I then took it from there and and I would take folks fishing you can do a deal with me
54:34
heck we'll go fishing and and that's how I was able to afford those early trips I was able to tie it into my business uh
54:40
where I could do things I normally you know wouldn't have been able to you know to afford that's brilliant that's
54:45
brilliant about that we say that all the time I mean fishing uh fishing is the
54:51
backdrop for us it's the theater it's what allows us to have those moments
54:58
like you just talked about you know I'm not suggesting that sitting around the bar the Bahamas smoking cigars is
55:04
necessarily the best thing to do Ain the worst either but it ain't the worst but without without fishing without that
55:11
being the theater you would have never been able to bond with those customers
55:16
the way you did and yeah I can't say enough about that U as it pertains
55:24
hunting not so much because you have to be a little more um connected to hunting
55:30
in order to sure it's a different audience different but in terms of fishing it's just to me it's a and if
55:36
the person has never fished before in their life even better even better to
55:41
take him on that that adventure and and and and once again using fishing as the
55:48
excuse but taking that opportunity to to make a connection a relationship a bond
55:54
uh with with that person it's just and it's good business you know those are that are good business too so it's a
56:00
win-win all around did you I'm going to go back to your hunting situations that because it intrigued me when you're in
56:06
the what you call it in the Box in a field box or whatever it is hunting in a field box stand sure to me although it
56:12
sounds so simple and it's cruel or whatever like that I don't want to look at it that way would it not allow you to
56:19
become a much better Marksman though in doing that cuz now you've got you know where you have to shoot that animal you
56:25
know a clean kill and all that kind of stuff you know what I mean versus out in the wild when you're walking through the Rocky Mountains you might you're all
56:31
tired and you get you know what I mean does it not help your shooting abilities would it yeah I think it's different
56:36
skills know I think you're you're spot on Pete and it it's a different experience you know I so this listen if
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you were to say who are the best hunters that I have experienced that I have you know spent time with you know obviously
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there's you know that there are turkey hunters and white tail Hunters you know for me in the US you know that that are
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among the best hunters I know but but nobody compares to the the the the
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Aboriginal local you know if you go to Africa and spend time with a local native trackers that's hunting where
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you're literally tracking an animal and you know and what we're doing is we're you know we're we're kind of we're field
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to Table in other words we're hunting you know old mature bucks that are kind of past their time and we're going to
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try to fill up freezer and feed the Family Y um but depending on you know when you talk about box stands you know
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box stands absolutely require you know great practice of shooting ability but
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also understanding distance and also understanding ballistics right and you know where maybe as a still Hunter you
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know it works your patience more and it's maybe being more aware of your surroundings in a local in a in your
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environment so that you can move quietly and and and Be an Effective Hunter so yeah all the different styles absolutely
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pull on different strengths um I am not a good shot I I I I am not what you
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consider a good long shot I I I like close shots obviously ethical shots and so but at the same time I appreciate I
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have friends who are experts in ballistics and are very capable and enjoy taking long shots and can do it
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ethically and so I obviously I always appreciate that cool uh before we get into some uh notable stories in the book
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that I just wanted to touch on uh give me your your best
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fishing location that you've ever gone to oh man well I'm gonna say that I have
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I have had lots of experience hunting throughout Canada I have very limited experience hunting throughout Canada and
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so as far as places that I would like to spend more time fishing Canada I mean if
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I listed you know the top five bucket list places or things for me to do in the world of fishing number one without
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question is to go try to truly get one of the legendary big Brook trout you know of labador New Finland and I've
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tried it and I've tried it and failed in Maine but you know someday I'd love to get up to Labrador Newland um another
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top five for me would be without question going after big Pike you know I've done a lot of pike fishing on fly
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you know that I've caught a lot of 28 to 32 inch you know small Pike on fly but I've never gone on a really trophy Lake
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you know where you're sight casting a big Pike you know and that would be a top one for me but as far as places to
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go you know if I had to really think about where are the top fishing places my favorite if I had to pick one fishing
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you know one one type of fishing to do what is my true favorite it would have to be baby Tarpon and I say baby Tarpon
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obviously there's nothing like hooking into 140 pound 7 foot Tarpon you know out in two feet of water and and having
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that whole experience but the part of fishing that I personally like the best is the hook is the hookup in other words
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the the experience of this of this of seeing the fish making a cast having the
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fish interact with your whether it's a plug or bait or your fly whatever it is that the interaction of the fish where
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they then take that and and then if I can fight a 20 pound fish instead of 120 pound fish I don't mind that one bit
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rather 20b fish how true is that you make a really good point because because sometimes we get hung up
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on size and in terms of of of fish catch
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you're absolutely right because uh 20 to 30 lb Tarpon in in relatively shallow
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water is probably one of the most exciting experiences man can have that 150 and Beyond is really not a fun
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experience we equ to we equated it to uh to sturgeon for example on the Fraser
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River like we all go out there because we want to hook up with a 10-footer that's kind of the lure right
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but once you do if you're fortunate enough to do that you never want to do it again yeah yeah I'm done I tap I'm
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done everybody else you know tuna you know we all want to hook up with a th000 PB tuna yeah but you only want to do it
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once and and while while you're doing it you don't want to do it anymore either so in the middle of the fight you want
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as Pete said you want to tap out so I'm glad you brought that up that's a really good point I also agree with Ryder too
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uh I think everybody has maybe a different perception when they go to when they are a different like or the best part of fishing but I am I'm like
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Ryder after I hook that fish it's kind of like then it St just mellow out but it's that whole excitement even if
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you're not sight fishing sight fishing is the best but even if you're not you're fishing a weed line you drop then your your jig drops down and all of a
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sudden you know that's a big old large mother could be a big old set the hook and you know that's to me that's the
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most fun part is as well I agree with that one just you know that bite that getting just luring it in and getting
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that bite and then wow I I'm listening to you guys and and uh you know we've had guests on the show and we ourselves
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have [ __ ] footed around the issue too you know are we looking at down the road some point down the road fishing
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hookless is that a possibility no no I still won't do that you still won't do that well my jig out I threw my jig out
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there and you felt boom that's right it's a dirty old musky and I don't want anything to do with him I want my large
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mouth have you ever thought of that you know it's funny you guys had a recent show that I thought was so interesting about some of the new regulations in
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parts of Canada about releasing in time before you have to release the fish and does that theoretically right affect you
1:02:33
know taking pictures and and Ang I think you made the comment or or Pete maybe it was you that made the comment that you
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know your buddy can always take a picture of you as you release the fish and that's such a cool shot see in the release but you know the another part of
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fishing that I love I have to admit I am a I am an absolute nerd for beautiful fish photography and I love seeing the
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colors of a you know whether it's a Brookie or you guys had a show recently on a on a a part of the Albany river
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system where you guys were catching Walley and the yellows in the Walley were just remarkable and then of course smalles I
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think are the prettiest fish of all in a good photo good bronze back and you know and and so that part of it too I I I
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want to land that fish because I do want to get a quick picture yeah all right so cther Katherine uh on her own cine is
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going to be a one person deal in that whole uh um an anger that uh has been
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practicing that for about 10 years now she's a fly fly angler um and uh she has
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no hooks she just goes out does her gets that rise and boom she's done what do
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you think Dean would you do it hookless I like to eat too much of a
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stories uh there's a fascinating story in here a hilarious story uh about uh a
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guide's grandfather that hit an alligator as they drove to their Duck
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Blind talk to us about that you know that story came from from a guy named
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Seth Vernon and there was a great article it was in one of the fishing magazines this probably 10 or 15 years
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ago you guys might have seen the book you know it's a classic fly fishing book 50 places to fly fish before you die
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well that's you know and and there was an article in this magazine say that had 10 fishing guides to fish with before
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you die well number seven or eight was this guy named Seth Vernon out of Wilmington North Carolina and and so I
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reached out and and Seth and I have since become great buddies and and and we've been fishing together for years
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and and um but one day you know um and the reason I like Seth is he's more than
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just a a fishing guide he knows that area he knows the environment you're going to learn about the wildlife you're
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going to learn about the marshes the tidal Flats the Delta of the cape be river system you know he's just this
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Encyclopedia of knowledge and and one day he and I were out um searching for redf fish in the in the tidle flats
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along the inter Coastal Waterway of eastern North Carolina and and he's pulling and I'm looking and it's a slow
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day and Seth goes hey Ryder did I ever tell you that my grandfather was an alligator poacher and I kind of put down
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the rod I was like no but we got to talk about that right this second and we ended up spending the afternoon just
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sitting on his flats boat in the marsh not even fishing just talking and he told me these stories and of course he
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talked about his neighbor I think it was you know he and his grandfather and his neighbor his uncle and his neighbor
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going out and the big Gator coming up and hitting the boat and tipping the canoe uh but the craziest part of that
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story uh was you know when young Seth was a kid he would out to that camp and
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he would talk about the three-legged dogs and there were always three-legged dogs around camp and he finally
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asked he said hey you know why do why are all the dogs around Camp three-legged and they said because of
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the Gators yeah said you know that's just part of being on the you know on the this family what the area we're
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talking about is the Bayou around New Orleans that's where Seth family was from and and that's where their Camp was
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way back in that territory so yeah Gators were a real part of their life for sure dogs must have been good Escape
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artists though damn it they get away with you know they could have been eating fully they got away with leg only
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but you save your life I'm sure there was a few that never came back I got a feeling we spent some time uh in the
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bayou shooting we used to shoot a uh well in fact the the name of this podcast The Outdoor Journal started out
1:07:13
Life as a television program that Pete and I used to produce and we uh we uh shot an episode way back in the bayou
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with a bunch of uh boys that live back there Gator
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hunterso Man and every day we'd get up and go out hunt Gators with them and oh my God guys you know the guys they have
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the overalls on with no shirt on it just the overall mus only only a few only certain
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people can pull off that look no kidding especially when they're holding a gun in one hand and a beer in the other that's
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when they can really pull it off these guys were a different breed off my God they're cockroaches in their building
1:07:48
where two two to three inches long and they come out we would hunt we could have been hunting cockroaches down there
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it it would have been a great hunt this would be a good story for your book writer I'll tell you that that's just that one I'm already thinking of the
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next volume we got to get those story for sure man it was nuts um and the snoring
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holy [ __ ] that was horrible it was that was not snoring we've since yeah that
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was that was not lions in Africa oh God anyway sorry but yeah there's some great
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uh Great Adventures out there in the world for sure what about this one uh the a guide in the donkey story you got
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that one oh man that's such a classic that's that's Mark condid and and um you know the Condit those the old conduit
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stories those really were the first stories that I said holy cow I gotta write this stuff down I got to remember
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this stuff and you know Mark's father wi conduit is is one of the true Legends of
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Western outfitting in the United States and and this was back in the 40s and 50s and 60s a different time and and he was
1:08:52
one of the early guys to explore parts of far northern Alaska for new areas to
1:08:58
hunt Moose and bear and he would fly up there in a single engine Piper Cub and his buddy Eddie king would fly his own
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plane and they did that so that if one of them crashed the other guy would have a chance to rescue the one who crashed
1:09:09
and they went so far north into Canada oh my that eventually they started crossing the peninsula and to get back
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you know they would follow the coast and when conduit befriended the Inuit and would stay in The Villages and they
1:09:23
would hunt seal and walrus with the with the Inuit on the way back down and these are these are all outdoor Life Magazine
1:09:29
stories from the 40s and 50s and anyways that you know his son Mark cond and I
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have become great friends and and Mark Mark you know they don't make they
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don't make him like Mark cond anymore he is an absolute Cowboy he's the re he's a real cowboy and and he One Night in a
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bar in tense sleep Wyoming uh he told me about the night that he uh you know he uh used to ride a
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mule when he would pack his elk hunting trips you know in the big horns in Wyoming he always used a mule and he
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would ride a mule all the other guys were on a horse and he said Rider one night you know I was sitting and it might have been in that same Saloon he
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said one night I was sitting at the bar and and bragging I had too much to drink and I was bragging that hell I'll I'll
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ride this mule right into the bar and you know and you guys can see how you know good I can control this meal and of
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course the locals at the bar telling him to you know forget you pal get out of here well darn it if he didn't walk out
1:10:28
of the bar and hop on his mule and he rode the mule right back into the bar
1:10:35
right past the folks sitting at the bar out onto the dance floor and he spun it around and this is him you know and this
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this is I've heard the story you talk about you know can you double check the accuracy and no question about it these
1:10:47
stories expand over the years but I've heard this one actually told by a couple folks he he spun that his mule around
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the Dance Floor a couple times and what nobody knew was that below the Dance Floor was a sunken sh Cellar where they
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stored supplies for the bar mule busted through the Dance Floor into the with
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Mark still on the back of the mule oh my God they still tell that story intense
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sleep and that I mean that's just one of endless you can't make this stuff up it's life as a cowboy and in in Wild
1:11:20
Wyoming and and it's great is classic stories God those little towns are just
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magic aren't they ftic when you're fortunate enough to uh to see them they're just uh incred just a story
1:11:32
waiting to be written in each one of them story waiting to be written for sure yeah well I the book is fascinating
1:11:38
um I um I urge folks if you want to if you want to just you know lose yourself in in some some great storytelling and
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some of the stuff like writer keep saying you can't make this stuff up exactly so I highly encourage folks to
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search it out I'm assuming it's available on if they go to Amazon they'll find the book oh no doubt you
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know if you go to Amazon and and writer Nolton uh ridr and the guides you can find it
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right on Amazon super easy Before I Let You Go uh you had an encounter with one of our
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podcasters uh although he wasn't a podcaster at the time on the Ottawa River you employed the services of uh a
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Jamie uh pestilli did you not at some point Jamie oh man talk about just
1:12:25
hitting it off as buddies Jamie and I hit it off immediately and I'll tell you what brought Jamie and I together was my
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failure as a Musky fly fisherman oh boy because you know you know i' I've I've
1:12:38
caught him on plugs but I've never landed one on a fly and being from North Carolina you know that area you know you
1:12:44
get into that southern range of some really interesting Northern species including the musky and the rough Grouse
1:12:50
and even the native Brook trouts that's kind of the lowest end of the their native range and so I've spent many
1:12:56
years in those on some of these great destination rivers of Virginia Kentucky you know you get up in a Cav Run Lake
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you know legitimate musky destinations at least for us in the US yeah and um
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and I have yet to put one of those suckers in the boat on a fly and to me it's kind of like the permit you know in
1:13:12
the world of saltwater fishing you know as a permit fisherman which I am I understand that it's a journey and Musky
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fishing on fly is a journey it's not a fishing trip it's a journey and I'm about you know 8,500 casts into my
1:13:26
10,000 casts for my musky and uh I was reading about places to go and we've got
1:13:32
friends you know up around Ottawa and I started reading about the Ottawa river system and learned that it is not only a
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place where you can go Musky fishing but it's a worldclass Musky fishery and I kind of said holy cow this is fantastic
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and did some re I do a lot of research on guides tons and tons of research and
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uh you know when somebody answers the phone and starts making promises about how big a fish you're going to catch that's not the guide for me what I'm
1:13:58
looking for is a guide that says yeah we've been having a decent year but what you're going to do is experience the
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area you know and it's a good fishery and we'll see what happens and of course that's Jamie and and so yeah he we uh we
1:14:10
met uh through my failure as a Musky fisherman did some fantastic smally fishing off the Ottawa to this day my
1:14:17
best Smallmouth ever on flies with Jamie and we've been buddies ever since um it's got to be a it's got to be for a
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guide it's got to be one of the worst things you could ever hear oh yeah by the way I want to catch a Musky on a fly
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you the poor guys your chance of success has got to be less it's horrible with
1:14:34
with big stuff with all this de bait casting I want to do it on a fly by the way um I was going to say you uh you do
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a wonderful presentation on uh on this format just to let you know uh and also
1:14:49
let you know Jamie is looking for a partner you might want to you might want to call him up he's got a podcast that
1:14:55
he does on this network that he's looking for a partner for I think you'd be perfect be perfect that's all he's a guide you're
1:15:02
you're a guide user what a great combination that would be that would be well there you go and in the meantime we can keep trying to get that musty on fly
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together good luck on that one that one I'm I'm a betting man but I would not bet I'm a betting man that Jamie's just
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going CH Ching CH Ching he keeps coming back thank you very much show me the money no question Ryder thank you very
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much for uh you're an absolute pleasure thank you very much hopefully one day we'll be able to share a a boat and yeah
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be fun tell some stories together I'm sure we'll we'll uh we'll have no shortage of those well I'd love to do it
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someday and and guys it was an honor to be on your show so thank you so much thank you uh Ryder Nolton a wonderful
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author there's the book right there in front of you I didn't notice until late that it was sitting right there in front
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of you right beside covering you up it's covering up your beautiful fishing Canada beside me as well look oh oh
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beside you there I didn't even notice that yeah um yeah that uh some of those
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stories in this book are just and it brings for us it brings back memories because you know and Pete wasn't kidding
1:16:07
earlier on when he said we've talked about it forever writing a book about our Outdoor Journal Adventures for those
1:16:13
nine years as we traveled around the world we're not as smart as writer though me even we had our paperwork there we had our boarding passes right
1:16:20
there I know that's see that's for young people listen to right now if you were to start you were take a a note of a
1:16:26
writer's book of just writing it down on your boarding pass now you got a phone you can just talk to your phone right
1:16:31
just do it on a daily basis almost and trips you might have a book in the making one you know another 20 years and
1:16:37
not necessarily as a book for sale but as Ryder mentioned a great way to pass
1:16:42
down those stories to the Next Generation because unfortunately as things change in the outdoors as more
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and more restrictions are imposed Maybe even to the point where some of these activities are going to be poo pooed at
1:16:58
some point um wouldn't it be nice to be able to say hey here's a here's a a
1:17:04
collection of Journeys that I've had enjoy them said so many times my dad and
1:17:11
I had the discussion before he passed away you know he says I should write a book I said you're damn right you should write a book and I'll be the one guy
1:17:17
that buys it doesn't matter if anybody else says the story cuz he tells me all the stories but I know he's got so many he had so many more in his mind and they
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were just I could hear those stories over and over again like I to this day he could still tell me those stories and I just love it you know what I mean so
1:17:29
sit there forever listen to yeah like a guy like that you could imagine sitting around a campire with him it'd be so
1:17:35
much fun craziness and not just the guide stories his stories St all all these trips he did sitting at a fishing
1:17:41
destination smoking cigars and drinking rum oh that's where I want to be right now so bad uh once again the book is
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called a collection of untold stories that it's available everywhere uh go to
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Amazon I'm sure there'll be more than happy to I never asked them how much does that cost anyways do we know does it have it in there I don't know I'm not
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looking everybody um why do we got oh don't
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1:18:32
behind the camera today as he usually is Nick was even here today for a little bit looking good uh yeah he was in an
1:18:39
out he was on his phone all day but you know what at least he's here at least he's sitting here and that's a big plus
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uh of course Dean Tor a producer as usual uh on the board on behalf of them
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and my co-host Peter Bowman I'm Angelo Bola thanks for joining us talk to you next
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