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They're Spraying WHAT on our Crown Land? | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 123
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Dec 2, 2024
This week on Outdoor Journal Radio, Ang and Pete are joined by YouTuber James Alofs to talk about Canada's policy on Glyphosates and what it is doing to our Crown Land and all the creatures that use it. First, however, a bit of housekeeping was in order. Topics discussed included: our line of church wear; the St. Lawrence River; turning guests into guides; hatchery programs; Ang's pet goldfish; and backpacking. With those matters out of the way, James joins the show! Topics discussed included: Round Up; using chemicals to clear land; who is doing the spraying; Agent Orange 2.0; why Quebec is ahead of the game; the effects on our moose populations; New Brunswick's chemical problem; skewed science; Stop The Spray; whether the damage can be reversed; glyphosate in our water; and much more! To never miss an episode of Outdoor Journal Radio, be sure to like, subscribe, and leave a review on your favourite podcast app! Thank you to today's sponsor! Invasive Species Centre - Protecting Canada's land and water from invasive species
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[Music] and now another exciting episode in The Adventures of Outdoor Journal radio well
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hello there thank you for joining us once again Outdoor Journal radio the
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podcast not to be confused with the old radio show on The Outdoor Journal Radio
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podcast Network thank you you're welcome uh he is Peter Bowman I'm Angel Viola thanks for joining us once again a
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wonderful program as per usual we have an interesting subject we're going going to share with you that
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we were kind of I'm a little more familiar with it than he is cuz I use some of the product as I mention right
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before we went out a yeah yeah yeah yeah um our guest is going to be a young man by the name of James Al alos alofs and
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he's a YouTuber uh with a uh he's he's he's building a homestead
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and he's youtubing the whole process and it's called wild Homestead uh YouTube and he's also uh
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quite the um social media guy right now he's got a a tremendous push on a
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product called glyph glyphosate Dean yeah that's right glyphosate glyphosate
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um You can follow him and find him at uh wild Ontario news on both Instagram and
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Tik Tok but you'll find out a lot more here in in the next few minutes on this show as as will we I'm sure as will we I
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I I can tell you that I I when I said I was a little more connected to the product I I've used this uh a product
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called Roundup for years I'm sure lot of people yeah it's very popular uh but the
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glyphosate which is uh one of the products in it is uh is what we're going to be specifically talking about and
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it's got all kinds of nastiness attached to it so yeah it's going to be interesting I can't wait we'll talk
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about see the cow is just walking through I I love that it's like an open look at the wave see that's not that's not a count as wave that's like shut the
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hell up Angelo leave me alone Angelo that's exactly what that is uh it's like uh yeah I like that people just walking
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in and out yeah all right uh what do we got cooking well let's put them up on the screen real quick Dean we've got the
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store to talk about real quick I know I was supposed to wear my Walley yeah I made a request before the show I know he
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did he did Dean did ask uh for me to put that on and I I I felt comfortable in my
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nice fish Canada t-shirt yeah they're very comy they're so soft just uh I you
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know it's like t-shirt to that should be just across the board no matter what you go to church weddings whatever t-shirts
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that's it standard issue standard issue military hell t-shirts for everything hell yeah I love it yeah so I live I
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live in t-shirts uh I need to remind you that all of the new goodie swag is on
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fishing Canada Store Cool hoodie that is a that is a damn cool hoodie I have to say and
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this is a new take on the uh on the fishing can a brand and a bit of a
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departure from the norm and folks are just loving it there's uh three species Walle bass and musky as of right now
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there probably will be more as we move on so well yeah and you know because if you're into one of those special species
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you can now identify yourself which uh which basses have we got on there is it a specific it is a large M okay but
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we're going to do a small mouth very good coming down the pipe so very cool the idea is to eventually build a whole
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ction of all the species oh my right can
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I get a deal on that Largemouth one I get a little discount maybe the Pete Bowman you're I'm going to sell it to
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you uh oh hang on let me Mark this down I forget okay I might mark it down too
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sell to Pete for 10% below your
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cost okay spoking like a true retailer that's a man that's lived in retail his
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whole life I can't do any better than that okay that's pretty good deal I like that 10% below your cost can uh there's
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no limits you can do as many as you want nice thank you and you the family friends anybody you know I'm going to
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the friend the family and friends discount Mark that down friends that are listening friend that's listening cuz I
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got one friend that's probably listening in this whole world anyways it's all happening at
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fishing canada.com or shop. fishing canada.com that's the back entrance if
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you'd like to go that way yeah if you're so inclined as for myself I like to approach things
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from the front front door do yeah okay well good for you uh
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what do we got on listener feedback buddy listener feedback comes from c. a.
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H.L whatever that means that's uh cal cal
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C be apple podcast uh he says he or she that might be a she too I'm not sure uh
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very formative let's hope for a little rain a little more rain been watching you guys since I was a kid oh boy how
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many times that we are getting that a lot right like that is the the norm now right always always great content and a
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great show on the St Lawrence last week what a honey hole so we just aired uh our our invasive species show large M b/
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invasive species show and uh obviously BYL enjoyed it that was just a snippet
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of what you you're going to get if you go down to that area fish oh my God as they say what a honey hole oh my God
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like we went down there and we've been down I mean obviously numerous times that trip alone we were we encountered
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not only the large mouth bass we encountered small mouth bass we encountered Walley we had a great encounter with the musky on a different
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occasion with same same area you know same area is yeah yeah I mean it's a and
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we have dropped cameras down there we've seen sturgeon down there remember the big stury we've seen down there uh big
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muskies that we've seen on camera everything you see everything down there sheep head cornicopia of sport
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absolutely corn Black Sabbath has a song called Cornucopia just to let you know Sing Sing Me A coule you can't sing
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Black Sabbath but only aie sings Black Black Sabbath
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I uh thank you thank you for the wonderful comments that's uh now that's
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feedback so is that that's on Apple podcast is that pod Fe do we get a like
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left a five star review a five star review d y the hell hello give me a hell
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yeah thank you Stevie he's yeah it's like he's got to pay for those button
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pushes eh well maybe he's got a side deal going on or something like that maybe that he gets T he gets reduced
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every time he hits one of those things he gets a reduction I know I know right uh podcast highlights this uh week we're
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highlighting Diaries of a lodge owner doo doo he doesn't like he doesn't like
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it episode number 44 for the love of fish
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with his good buddy Pat Tryon who give me hell yeah there's a hell yeah right there that boy was not just a good buddy
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but Pat was his head lead guide gu showed your Lodge for a number of years
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for better part of a decade that's a great story he was a guest he came up as a a Californian guest a bass fisherman
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and turned into one of the best musky anglers in the in not only Canada probably North America maybe the world
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right he's just uh he is an interesting dude he is an interesting dude very interesting dude yeah yeah yeah very he
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when when Pat gets so any podcast that Pat's on you really should listen to it even if you're not a Musky angler
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because Pat's a good all round as I said it was a bass angler reverse he gets so into it it's almost insane like he gets
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into every minute detail that you possibly can it's like he is a wealth of
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knowledge in in all fishing and but especially in the musy world now it's just like the guy goes deep right and
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and he articulates it very well that does not hurt and he's so enthusiastic hey when he starts talking about it you
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can just see the passion and hear the passion in them it's it's uh it's good so great episode uh check it out it's uh
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called for the love of fish with Pat Tron on come on now Diaries of a we love
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you Pat and Steve in the news in the news Mr Bowman Alberta students are
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raising troat in class so uh Willow Park School in Kary um every January they're saying that the
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the program sends out eggs to 95 schools across the province and uh what's what's
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happening is they're they're actually literally raising and hatching these fish in the classroom much like a salmon
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is done here right we have salmon programs here in Ontario much like we did that time with Jerry wette that one
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time when we were releasing I got a picture of that behind you there it is right there look at Jerry look at how
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young he is holy moly wow that's cool that's cool so what basically they're
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doing is they're teaching these kids how to raise trout in this case or salmon
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whatever like that rainbow trout and and then and they're um and they're raising these fish till about a three you know
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3in size whatever and then they take them out and they they have select release sites that they worked with the
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government with and they raise and release these fish I think this fantastic yeah for kids you know what
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you think about that that kids that really are don't even care about fishing or hasn't haven't had the chance to have
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fishing in their life and to raise these little I that would bring a lot of awareness to them and say I want to go fishing now I like this I like this
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whole idea I I think it also would heighten their awareness of of conservation and stewardship absolutely
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all all of this stuff that that we when we were growing up we really didn't have
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right yeah for sure certainly not in the curriculum the school curriculum but this is very cool the fish are 5 months
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old when they release them go ahead I should say though we did I remember one
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year um would have been grade six we had
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goldfish in the classroom you didn't release them though no but I'll tell you what I I tell you
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why I remember that story because it was during the winter
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period and somehow I don't remember all the details but the person who would
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normally take care of these fish was sick was away so the teacher appointed
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me to do this WOW to feed them to feed them and all that but it came during a
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period where you forgot where we were going to be away from
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school not just the weekend but part of the following week and this is probably why the kid
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who was in charge you know called sick for the next two weeks because you had to take them
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home well you got to take care of them right you can't leave in school you can't go to school in the weekend you're
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closed well unlike today and maybe even unlike most parents back then you know
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parents would have gone and picked the kid up cuz I it was a like a three gallon 5 gallon aquarium yeah yeah
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anyways I walked it home in the month of January and I'll never forget the there
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was crust buil up on the snow so it wasn't soft snow it was crust and every
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step I was crunching through the snow with with this 5 gallon aquarium no kidding you fed them up the whole every
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day I took care of them brought back tool brought back yeah walked them back to school oh walked them back never once
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in my life did I get a ride to school I can tell you that with total never once
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his papa V he just said first of all he was no he's gone way before I had to go to school he at working right he's gone
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you know 536 mom didn't have a license probably no never had a license did you get rides to school I'm going to assume
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so you don't remember I wasn't in quite the prison that you were in but as a child but you
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know I think my my mom my mom did drive and if I'm sure if it was raining or
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something like that when we were young I'm sure we'd have got R I'm sure are you serious I think so I can't remember
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but I can't kind of a [ __ ] were you oh I'm big [ __ ] back back still like now I
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wear I wear a $1,000 rain suit I wear gortex were you I I walked to school my
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whole way up too but I'm sure I'm sure I probably got rides if it was say I walked for sure every day but I there's
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got to be days I know one day I I broke my toe and my mom said you can stay home today I didn't have to walk to school at
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all cuz I broke my toe the next day I had to walk to school damn it you want talking about hardcore that hurts that
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that's funny baa how about you baa he walked There He Go so we got three
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Walkers and one uh little uh look at you I'm on my Daddy's yacht I wish my daddy
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had a yacht to take me to school that would have been the best hello lovey but I'll never forget that that carrying
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that aquarium and breaking through the Crusty I carried cases of beer through that but not to school that was on the
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week that was on the weekends when I could bust through the crust and and you didn't want to drop a I remember once I
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here's here's a story for you this is totally off subject but it's the case of your thing I I was in a snow snow storm
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one time had a full case of beer closed in the back of my truck right it was a open pickup truck hit a patch of
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ice rolled the truck into the ditch laid her up against the fence we had to pop
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up out the doors the side doors and the cop came and all that and the cop said you know you're lucky and he said oh my God you're real lucky I said why he says
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you only broke one beer I had one beer bottle broken the case he says you're lucky go home and drink these beers cuz
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you knew the case wasn't open oh my God only only to you you know what true
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story true story um so where were we oh yeah so that's wonderful program today
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that they've got hey Jerry speaking of Jerry he ran a similar program here in Ontario and it says learn more on episode 41 Under The Canopy so people
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want to listen in on that on the Ontario version perfect good on Jerry there you go uh fan question of the week by the
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way by the way if you want to uh to get involved in more news stories like this go to
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canada.com come on now because there is like a thousand stories you can go
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through if you go into the archives W all interesting stories you read the headlines and say oh at least yeah and
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uh thousands and thousands must be 100 it's all happening at fish canon.com the Gateway the portal to your next fishing
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Adventure you go well said thank you well
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Lee kiny from BC K KY Lee Kinsey that's Lee with an H on l e a h Lee or
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le le Leah we have three different versions
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Lee Le and Leah I like Leah better Le Leah that sounds more like it I know
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there was an leig Lee Weir from uh Nova Scotia a bass fisherman he's Lee that's
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his name that's the way he spell so anyways leea apparently according to
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Dean he's our de in house expert in these things
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um question question wants to know what are your thoughts on backpacking wow
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well you're the professional in that you sold how many backpacks have you sold in your life a kazillion buddy a kazillion
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and I used to be the expert uh on fitting backpacks so when when uh when
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my staff would uh have a customer that was looking for a backpack and then they would walk them through all because
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backpacks there's so many variations of backpacks depending on what you need them for
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anyways I was when they were done selecting all that then I would fit them they were your fluffers right those are
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all your fluffers and then you finish a job okay and I have personally used a a
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I've probably used every type of backpack available to man and so I can tell you that um I love it I love the
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notion of backpacking we don't do it for our work because it is a little
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difficult to get all of the crew and the equipment and everything else we we did do it in Outdoor Journal days we used to
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do with our but our gear like we carry our cameras and everything and that's the way to do it right to freeze your
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hands up to carry something else if you wanted but most the the bulk the weight was in their back it's it's a great way
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to experience the outdoors by carrying when fishing in the world of fishing let's say um they would just this I'm
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assuming these are people that are going to go into a little Lake well Al Gan Park Maybe right be a perfect example
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and and overnight you bring your tent and everything your sleeping bags and the whole nine yards and backpacking the whole deal right okay why and that's why
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there's so many different types of you know there's day packs there's weekenders there's uh internal frame
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external frame uh there's there's Alpine packs I mean list goes on there's
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probably I'm going to say there's probably 20 25 categories of backpacks
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God you know who impressed me the most in in backpacking you'll remember this when bring it up is uh Northern Rocky's
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Lodge the hunters that went in that Ur used to take in remember they had all the big like these backs were I don't
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know how like 3 four feet high and just loaded to the gills cuz these guys going in for a week or more you know and each
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each person each Hunter had a a huge backpack me you have to take everything that you're going to need to sustain
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life right for yourself along with their guns too and you pack the animals out on those and they pack the animals out
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those are usually external frame pack packs the internal frame packs wouldn't work quite as well for that type of
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we'll call it an expedition so the the basic difference between the two is is
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you'll see the big metal frame sometimes wood frame depending on on but
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predominantly uh an alloy frame Hollow tube frame and you'll see that the the
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frame actually um will extend above the pack and that's for and also below the
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pack and that's where you can attach all the various other things like like your your bedding for your your uh in in an
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internal frame pack you'll generally pack your sleeping bag inside the pack
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yeah but they're limited to you know you can get up to 120 L backpack which is
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pretty large I mean you could probably you could probably find one at 140 maybe 150 lit but that would be the max
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because with an Turtle frame it would be such a massive looking Contraption right
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whereas with external frames you can have this big strong sturdy frame with flip down back and and all kinds of
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areas where you can attach stuff to and then you can put a I don't know 80 80 lb
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pack uh as far as the actual physical pack itself on that frame and now you got a frame that will carry everything
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how much would these guys be carrying when they shot like Dean said when they shot an animal let's say they were going for sheep like a a Ram or something like
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that up there the way up cuz they at the head of that thing with the big antlers you get the perfect not antlers horns I
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guess you call them how much would these be cuz you got your pack that they go in these areas with it looks heavy as hell
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then they're going to pack part of an animal and all the meat on it a lot of the stuff is pretty light nowadays right
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ultra light as far as the what you're putting in the P but the animal itself obviously I I don't even
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know a rack would probably weigh I'm thinking I don't know 30 lb 40 lb 50 lb
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I don't know da I think you're probably taking like depending on what you shoot but you're probably taking like 100 plus
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pounds every time you go I would think wouldn't you without without Ira no no
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well just just in the pack itself yeah wouldn't you I thought I thought remember guys saying 80 lbs or something
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I've never done it but I've got 80 would be at the the top end like these guys that we you're talking about they would
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have 80 cuz they're going in it's a flying they literally get dropped off
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somewhere in the bush and the plane comes back two weeks later to pick him up so in a case like that yeah you're
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probably going to go 80 but I I'll guarantee you they weren't trekking I'll guarantee you what happens there the
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plane is taking them to their primary it's like a hub it's like a hub right
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base camp so the minute that they get off the plane there's not a whole lot of
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walking evolved before they unload some of this yeah cuz you can't walk through that mountainous terrain with 80 lbs
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Plus oh my God the guys that people that I used to outfit years ago you know if you
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were if you were carrying 50 lb like you were hardcore 50 lbs is a lot of weight
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I'm glad you said that because some people always say oh 50 lbs that's nothing oh my God I'll tell you right
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now you put 50 lbs on your back and walk I don't know 2 kilomet you're done oh my
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God if you can do it if you could do it yeah so the norm we used to always
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tell people like 30 lb would be 30 35 lb is kind of and even that is heavier than
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people think exactly you go to a gym and you lift up a 35 lb dumbbell well you know oh my God that thing has got some
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meat to it put that on your back and carry it yeah start walking with it yeah it doesn't take long before you're
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grunting and groaning tell you but uh anyways yeah to to get back to what we were talking about um my thoughts on
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backpacking I love it we just don't do enough of it uh during the backpacking season we're off on shoots and so
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there's no real time but backpacking paging tearing your canoe yeah all that
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stuff it's just if you have an opportunity to do it man get out there gy up cuz it's uh it's the way to
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experience the outdoors
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cool The Humble gold goldfish everyone's favorite aquatic pet it's small easy to
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care for what's there not to love even the cat may be mesmerized by the color and movements of your aquarium friends
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species for food and resources in degraded habitats they contribute to algae blooms they kill aquatic wildlife
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and past viruses and diseases contracted in aquariums to Wildfish they could even live up to 40 years and grow as big as a
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football Anglers this is where you come in if you find a goldfish at your local
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fishing spot report it to the invading species hotline or go online to Ed
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maps.com remember to never dump your live bait into the water and risk spreading other Aquatic Invaders keep
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our legs free from Invaders and don't let them loose [Music]
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how did a Small Town sheet metal mechanic come to build one of Canada's most iconic Fishing lodges I'm your host
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Steve NS Wiki and you'll find out about that and a whole lot more on the Outdoor
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Journal radio Network's newest podcast Diaries of a lodge owner but this
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podcast will be more than that every week on Diaries of a lodge owner I'm going to introduce you to a ton of great
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people share their stories of our trials tribulations and
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Inspirations learn and have plenty of laughs along the way Meanwhile we're sitting there bobbing along trying to
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figure out how to catch a bass and we both decided one day we were going to be
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on television doing a fishing show my hands get sore a little bit when I'm reeling in all those bass in the
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summertime but that's might be for more fishing than it was punching from you so
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confidently you said hey Pat have you ever eaten a drum find Diaries of a lodge owner now on Spotify Apple
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podcasts or wherever you get your podcast all right let's get to our
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special guests as I mentioned at the top of the show uh this is a fascinating story wow yeah and I didn't even really
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realize it was going on and it's big for a number of reasons his name is uh James
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alofs and um wild Ontario news is probably where you can find him on
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Instagram and Tik Tok uh he's a former actor and broadcaster in China and um he
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left downtown Toronto is currently uh building a 40 acre Homestead in Northern Ontario you got to love the guy kind of
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guy act right there I'll James welcome to Outdoor Journal man thank you Angelo
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P great to be with you guys it's an honor I grew up watching you my my parents were both Fisher people and uh
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we all watch as a family so it's an honor to talk to you you guys are legends man thank you thank you well we'll take it
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we'll take it keep sending it in um this is a fascinating story on so many levels
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but one level in particular I got to be honest with you uh I've had my little
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experience with Roundup um I got to admit to you I was a
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big user because it was the only thing that worked you want to get rid of weeds it's pretty much deadly isn't it like
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that's what it is dead and then and then after a while um something happened and
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it was taken off the market and then it came back on the market again as far as
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I know it's still available at uh at Garden Centers all over the all over the country so I guess we should start at
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the very beginning tell us about your first of all about your involvement with
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this why did you jump on this when you did yeah and start start right from scratch James because the audience has
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no idea what's going on here so right right right so you know as you guys mentioned Roundup it's a very commonly
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used uh herbicide and uh it was invented I think probably in the 40s or the 50s
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uh but it didn't really go into widespread use until 1996 with the introduction of uh Roundup Ready uh
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crops right and Roundup is a term for you know the product that was sold by a company called Monsanto big you know
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American Chemical Company and the active ingredient in there is a chemical called glyphosate and glyph St it was
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originally patented as an antibiotic in that it kind of kills all life that it comes into contact with so it's it's a
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nasty little piece of work but it did have some very profound I think benefits
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for agriculture in terms of eliminating weeds right so um basically starting in
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'96 I think you know the the the usage was on almost 0% of our arable land in
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North America but by the late 2010s right now it's up to I think 95% of all
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of our aable land acreage is uh is sprayed with this stuff um and there are
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some similar kind of like parallel molecules out there patented by other companies um but they all kind of you
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know work via the same mechanisms I believe with glyphosate the primary mechanism is p is uh basically blocking
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a metabolic pathway uh called the I I think it's called the shikumi pathway and it's a metabolic pathway that
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mammals do not have have but almost all plants uh bacteria fungi do have and one
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of the implications for human health here we'll maybe get into later is you think about your gut microbiome it's
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full of bacteria and fungi right there's literally tens of thousands of different species in there so you know if you're
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eating conventionally grown crops these days you are ingesting stuff that is going to be impacting your gut
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microbiome and something like 80% of your immune system's functionality goes on within your gut right um but I guess
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what led me into this is um you know just General Health concern around
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glyphosate because if you've seen in the news recently like Angelo you just mentioned it was taken off the shelf I
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know for a fact in the United States they actually removed glyphosate as the active chemical from Roundup I believe
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and then reintroduced it you know Into Your Home Hardwares and Home Depot and that kind of stuff okay so the the
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product that's on the Shelf now is not the product that was there when I first started using it for example in my
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backyard that's what I believe happened in the United States I'm not sure on Canada to be honest I imagine it's the
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same but for whatever reason Canada seems to be a step behind the United States and the European Union when it
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comes to this kind of stuff uh I mean glyphosate's banned in a bunch of different European countries um and you
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know how it kind of intersects with the outdoors which uh you know being a fisherman since a small kid and
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fisherman even today uh and getting into hunting and and all that kind of stuff on my off-grid Homestead that I'm
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building um it's basically being sprayed on hundreds of thousands of Acres of
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Crown Land here in Ontario um and it's very concerning you know maybe we'll get a bit more into it
29:40
but uh you know it's this molecule has been proven in a court of law in the
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United States to be a serious carcinogen and Monsanto basically had to sell itself to its larger German rival uh
29:53
Bayer because they've been held accountable for I think they're they're basically a tens of billions of dollars
29:59
in various class action lawsuits to Consumers out there Farmers home home users um so it's a
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very messy situation is that cancer lawsuits uh James do it all like to do with cancer it's mainly cancer I think
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it's like non Hodgkins lymphoma is the main one um that they're finding and uh
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Monsanto is in really you know a very difficult financial situation uh with this so it's really concerning here in
30:28
Ontario I mean the Agriculture and the human health thing aside you know I kind of became aware of it uh you know for
30:34
wild Ontario news this is Instagram and Tik Tok Channel I I run because of the fact that it's being sprayed all over
30:40
our boreal forest um which is pretty nuts is this the stuff that they're
30:45
using because I heard this a few years ago is this what they're using when
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they're clearing uh Pathways for the big Hydro lines and the big towers that we see when we're driving through the rural
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parts of the country is this the stuff that they're using to clear that big swath of
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vegetation absolutely Angelo yeah a lot of stuff that used to be traditionally cleared via manual brush cutting even
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like the the ongoing maintenance right a company like Hydro One what they'd be doing along the power lines they now a
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lot of times opt for the chemical solution which oftentimes is um
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glyphosate there's some other things out there I believe like atrazine there's some other similar compounds that can be
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used as well but I know like CN r and CP Rail will use this stuff along the Rail lines um but uh it is used I believe
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Hydro One is pretty good though they actually ask private land owners um whether they can use it or not if they
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happen to be intersecting with private land you know with what they're doing does that okay so the you see these
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strips going straight through the forest are you saying that that wipes out the trees as well as all the plants and
31:51
everything or they have to still go in and DeForest this place with you know cut down the trees it pretty much wipes out
31:59
everything that's what I heard too yeah yeah yeah I mean it's and this
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is what you know why they're using it in the forestry industry it's not the government that's spraying this it's actually the the big forestry companies
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um on our crownland on our boreal forest uh it's particularly broadleaf plants so
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the deciduous plants you know you you think about up in the Boreal it's you know all the the berry bushes popper
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trees birch trees for some reason coniferous plants seem to have a bit of a
32:28
sturdier um uh fight against glyphosate but if they spray them in the fall
32:34
there's something about like just as the conifers are starting to go into their winter dorcy if they spray at that time
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the conifers are actually able to survive it so I think if you're spraying these conifers in the middle of the summer or the spring they will die but
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at least for the forestry guys they've discovered that if they spray their cut blocks in the uh basically September and
32:55
early October uh right basically you know when the the uh the Deer family rut season is kind of you know going on uh
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which is which is very concerning and uh because of the timing on that uh the the conifers can't can survive what's the
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reasoning for for using this stuff if there if you're got you're cutting down trees Etc why are they kill a plant life
33:17
what there's got to be a reason for this right I'm assuming yeah it it has to do with profitability so there's about they
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can increase their margin uh by about 1% um overall if they go with the chemical
33:31
control of the deciduous plants versus the uh manual or or mechanical control
33:36
of the chemical plants you know back in the the old times uh you know like pre
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glyphosate they would go in with Cruis of guys and after or right before they do their tree planting right because all
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these forestry companies um they by law have to replant the Crown Land when they do have leases out there they will plant
33:55
they prefer SPF right if you've ever bought Lumber dimensional lumber at home hard Home Depot or Home Hardware
34:00
anything you'll see SPF stamp somewhere on there and that stands for Spruce Pine fur and those are the three species that
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can grow in arboreal and that the lumber companies really prefer um so they're trying to basically kill anything that's
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not Spruce pineer fur um so if you use the cutting Cruise that's going to
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because I mean a whole bunch of chemical from Monsanto it costs money too right but the differential is about a 1% I
34:26
think in the end product like as it's sitting on the shelf it's going to make the profitability of those big forry
34:31
companies about 1% uh higher that 1% is a lot of money those
34:37
where um does Agent Orange come into play here because I heard uh you were on a podcast uh with one of our um uh
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partner podcasts on the Outdoor Journal radio network uh podcast Network and I
34:52
heard you talking about agent orange now yeah where does that come into or how does it fit into this whole
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story I mean that's also a defoliant and uh I think it was really you know famous
35:05
for its use in Vietnam right the the US Army just spraying it everywhere and it causing all kinds of horrible birth
35:11
defects uh with the Vietnamese people right and I think even for US soldiers probably who came in contact with it but
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I believe at some point we're talking the 60s or the' 70s it was sprayed on
35:23
our boreal forest by the forestry companies before it was made illegal um so you know it's an interesting
35:30
example Angelo because this is a a case situation of a novel synthetic compound
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that was made legal and declared safe we spray it for a few decades and it's like
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oh my God this is horrible we need to stop this so it could glyphosate just be
35:47
you know agent orange part two it's certainly looking like it's on that trajectory so they stopped agent orange
35:53
and they introduced this and now we're back to square one in terms of devastation
35:58
yeah yeah I don't know in the in terms of the story of the the manual cutting
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right because like I think again I think it's right after they plant the it might be a year after they plant the new
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seedlings um they would traditionally go in with manual Cutters and cut out all the blueberry bushes the juvenile you
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know Birch and popler trees anything that might compete with those Spruce Pine fur um so I as far as I know in
36:24
whenever they are using agent orange I don't believe that it would is as uniformly used as glyphosate is today
36:30
like I think they many forestry companies still use the manual um cutting teams and what's so bizarre in
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this whole situation is that Quebec made springing of glyphosate AKA Roundup
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illegal in 1999 so in the Quebec forestry industry which is 50% larger than Ontario's
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Forest industry by the way um this has been illegal since 1999 and Quebec has
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been using those manual cutting teams this entire time wow so you know the force industry
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will come out and say listen we're gonna you're going to drive us you're going to drive us out of business if we can't use
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these chemicals it's going to be disastrous you know we you won't have any Lumber in your home hardware stores
37:13
and to be honest I think it's a load of BS because many of these for Street companies are operating simultaneously
37:19
in Quebec and their operations are often times bigger in Quebec even though they have to use the manual cutting teams so
37:27
it's absolutely crazy and uh you know what's Wild is the Ontario out of Dooors
37:33
magazine I think in the hunting special for last fall the leading article for
37:38
the you know the annual hunting Edition was hunting cut BLS sorry cut blocks in
37:43
the Ontario's boreo Forest right about like how it's such a good because it attracts game right like all that new
37:49
you know foliage coming up and and uh the open sight lines and and all that kind of stuff the critters are attracted
37:56
to those cut blocks because there's edible calories at head height unlike a dominant you know mature Force canopy
38:02
but reading this article there was no men and God bless you know the guys at Ontario outdors I
38:09
love those guys but they didn't mention anywhere in this article those these cup blocks are also absolutely getting
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doused right at hunting season oh my god with uh you know with Roundup and and
38:21
you know there's some very interesting kind of discussion out there about is this impacting the moose population
38:28
because moose are literally conceiving their calves right at the time that the
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forestry companies are spraying and there's uh scientific literature out there about the dangers to cattle for
38:40
example of being exposed to glyphosate during the time or like where they're conceiving their CS not get you know
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birthing but the conception and um how there's there's miscarriages there's
38:53
birth defects there's a lot of nasty stuff so it's actually in the agricultural industry there is law you
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cannot expose cattle I think to a field that's been sprayed with glyphosate I think there has to be at least a 48 hour
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window something like that so there is scientific proof then that it
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has the tentacles are stretching Way Beyond just killing the intended green
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patches that it wants to kill so we have scientific proof that it's causing all of these birth deformities it's causing
39:22
potentially cancer it's causing all of this in animals and I'm assuming humans
39:28
as well do we have the proof oh yeah well I mean in the US you know in the US legal system now I think
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the first case was one maybe 10 years ago so for 10 years they have consistently in the US legal system been
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proving that this stuff is a carcinogen for humans and that's why Monsanto had to sell itself to Bear its bigger
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competitor because Monsanto didn't have the financial Firepower to weather this
39:53
storm not ironic this is this is all about the dollar the mighty obviously is it usually is right because
39:59
I find it weird that in this country of all countries we are so anal about that stuff right we're we're so you can't
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have this because of that and all you know deep comes to mind we can't use too
40:13
much DEET because it's harmful for this and and yeah and yet here we are even
40:19
the our friends s of the Border who usually say yeah it'll be all right well
40:24
we're good with it they're banning it and yet we're continuing to use it I find this this is insane incred is it
40:32
provincial like let's say in the case of Ontario is is the federal government get involved with this at all or is it just the provincial government &rf or whoever
40:39
it is I'm sure the federal government has some uh Pathway to intervene if they
40:45
so chose to do but I believe it's very heavily regulated at the provincial level uh New Brunswick is Infamous for
40:53
absolutely dousing it's the IR Irving company I believe the Irving family just dousing that entire Province there's all
40:59
these cases weird cancer cases in New Brunswick that are starting to Bubble up cuz they'll spray and like new
41:05
brunswickers will be out in the bush and just get doused from a helicopter or a plane in the stuff the DDT thing we did
41:12
a story on that straight you mentioned that because they're known uh in that Province for having the largest and not
41:19
just in Canada on the planet uh program they sprayed DDT on their force from I'm
41:27
going to say the mid-50s right through to the late 60s and it was the highest
41:33
concentration of DEET ever used anywhere on uh on planet Earth it was in new bronswick so they're they are kind of
41:40
known for that and at that time I think it was to kill the uh there was a bug Pine be pine beetle and then it affected
41:47
everything around it you know it's funny we take this stuff for for granted they we just assume that there's somebody
41:53
there keeping an eye on everything and everything is fine and and the whole world and yet you hear stuff like this
41:59
I'm totally this is BL what about James what about all the while all the
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critters from Rabbits to you said moose we'll leave even moose out of this wolves R not wolves anything that's the
42:10
herbivore that would eat the plants woles will eat the rabbits who exctly exactly yeah even then they're affected
42:16
is it is it affecting all these animals and is it just nobody hears about this or nobody's reporting this you know what
42:22
Pete it it's really Insidious because you know I think in recent years we've seen uh you know the scientific method
42:28
is so powerful and wonderful and magical perhaps the greatest invention by humankind yet it can be corrupted by
42:35
those who have nefarious intentions right so the reason I found out about the Boreal spraying here in Ontario
42:42
which shocked me just as much as it's probably shocking you guys right now is that a fellow on wild Ontario news my
42:47
page there he he was a a moose Hunter up in tsking or t mising Shores right there on the Ontario Quebec border you know
42:55
not not far just above t me there on highway I think is it 11 or new lard all
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that yeah new lard exactly uh and he sent me a video uh on a trail cam of
43:08
some of some Crown Land and uh there was a moose browsing uh kind of like on young deciduous plants it might have
43:14
been popper or birch trees and literally the next morning there was a giant truck
43:20
with its spray arms going through spraying the exact same trees that that moose had been feeding on the night
43:26
before and he asked me he's like hey man he's like not only do I eat the Moose here but my family collects many many
43:33
liters of blueberries from this exact same field every year like is it safe and so there were signs up in the area
43:39
from a forestry company and both him and I called the for forestry company and they said oh don't worry it's completely
43:45
safe we'll send you our deck so they sent me like a 110 page PDF deck which I can send over to you guys if you're curious or for any of your listeners who
43:52
want to read it but there's about you know a 15-page study in there from a from a biologist at the University of G
43:59
and they basically they were doing some science I think on frogs like northern leopard frogs something like that and
44:05
they basically come to the conclusion after these like 15 or 20 pages that oh
44:10
my God glyphosate is like vitamin C for these FL these frogs oh my God it's
44:16
amazing for them and wow I'm just reading this I'm like this is I can't
44:21
believe this at all cuz and the study was funded by Monsanto or the for Street company forget which one right but I
44:29
mean when when a big company like that pays a biologist to do a report they want an answer beforehand right and you
44:36
know with scientific reports you can you know study the Curiosity the frequency
44:41
the seasonality the dosage level there's so many things you can Tinker with to
44:46
give you the outcome that you want right in terms of the answer so when the government is asked questions about this
44:53
the the Ontario government light I I believe it should be the minister of natural resources I think of the guy's name is something grden I believe he's
45:00
the MP foren Smith I believe isn't it yeah right yeah we had him on the
45:06
program actually I wish I wish I had known this before we had the interview with him but anyways go ahead go ahead
45:12
right right right and I mean I'm sure the MPP in charge of this before him had the exact same answer because his
45:17
technocrats right will come to him and say hey this is our science and this is what we believe right so a lot a lot of
45:23
time it's very deep in an organization like theer Ministry of Natural Resources and um they're like hey this is a
45:30
scientific report it says it's safe for the frogs therefore it's safe for everything it's just like the lack of uh
45:37
deep thinking about this issue is really mindboggling the fish the insects the
45:42
mammals the amphibians I don't know if there's any reptiles actually that far north of the prop maybe garter snakes
45:48
are up there I'm not sure but you know this is only going on in the Boreal so for those kind of geography minded
45:54
viewers out there it's like climate zone three and above you know once you get up to kind of if you use maybe Wawa or the
46:01
new lisker area you know in Ontario you kind of transition from that climate zone four to three and once you get into
46:06
the Boreal basically all the hardwoods disappear right The Oaks the maples the beaches Etc and you get into that
46:13
hardcore Boreal that's mainly Spruce Pine fur but also Birch and popler which
46:18
are the you know the deciduous trees up there in about a week's time we're going to be uh we're going to be going right
46:24
through all deeply first half of the drive and then after that we got to keep going another day after that God um oh
46:32
my Lord where are you guys going we're going Northwest Ontario we're going way up you know laxo area like that north of
46:38
Dryden basically you know canor area area so we're going up there yeah she's
46:43
a big drive that one buddy so is there anybody other than yourself that has taken this this this incredible story to
46:53
the mainstream media has anybody approach mainstream because I I mean
46:59
this needs in my opinion this needs to be brought out of the outdoors which is
47:06
us right and it needs to go to mainstream media in order to not only
47:12
inform General populace never mind the outdoors people but I think that's where
47:19
the Ministries and the politicians and the scientific Community they they once
47:25
they see it in mainstream then they say oh boy uh oh we got we got to do something about this has anybody have
47:30
you tried that at all yeah so there's a gentleman who runs a fishing lodge I may you you may know
47:37
have heard of this gentleman his uh his company or Lodge is called ivanho ivanho Airlines we know him well yeah ter Tero
47:46
is his name Tero yeah yeah Joel terel that's exactly it so you got to get him
47:51
on cuz he's been hi fighting this I think since since maybe the early TW 20 like
47:57
2000s um and he he's a great guy I believe his in his previous life before being a lodge owner he was a a lawyer
48:05
Environmental Lawyer exactly so he is uniquely qualified to be concerned and talking about this this kind of thing
48:11
right um but he's also a very busy uh you know float plane and uh Lodge
48:17
operator so he's kind of doing this in his spare time but he's the guy I talked to him on my wild Ontario podcast and uh
48:25
he's got this whole amazing man that that was a podcast where I literally I said hey Joel like introduce yourself
48:30
and he just talked for an hour I just sat back I tried to interject but he just he's like a freight train he just
48:36
starts going good I I I know him well I know what you're talking about exactly if you had him on the
48:44
fishing Canada show it would turn into the Joel Tero show so uh it's it's
48:49
awesome though I love the guy I'm not saying cuz it's a bad thing I'm saying because it's an awesome thing right but uh you know he's got an organization
48:55
called stop spray and there's a Facebook group he's got an Instagram group if your viewers want to help I the first
49:02
thing I think you should do is you know sign his petition on change.org um when I first met him I think he had around 16
49:08
or 17,000 signatures now it's up to about 25,000 it was read by an MPP in
49:14
legislature I think two weeks ago um and I don't remember the MPP I imagine it
49:20
would be an MPP excuse me up from that area unless that MPP is totally in bed with the forestry industry and then
49:26
would not you know read such a thing out loud um but somebody did bring it up in the the legislature but to be honest
49:33
guys 25,000 signatures on a petition online is not going to move the needle
49:38
you know for politicians you got to you got to get like 250,000 I would say uh
49:45
that's why I I say you know mainstream media has to jump on this yeah for sure we got
49:51
to we need to get it to mainstream media once the mainstream media starts working
49:56
with it well it's like we're in the industry basically around the industry we don't even know about it you know
50:01
what I mean so imagine the the general public has no idea that's who has to get involved the general public our community by the way the outdoors
50:08
community and as much as we think it's huge and Peter and I have been you know in it for almost well over four decades
50:17
um so we think it's the whole world and it's not and that's the problem and so
50:22
that's why I say this is more of a mainstream thing because I'm going to go on Lim here and say that once if it
50:29
hasn't already once it starts getting into our Agriculture and our our farms
50:35
and both plants and animals now all of a sudden it's affecting the urbanites who really don't
50:43
give a damn about whether it's happening up in LAX or notal Forest we'll never
50:49
see that and that's when it takes traction right that's when it digs in and things have to happen both in terms
50:57
of politically speaking probably the most important uh but also um from from
51:02
uh um you know the lumber industry then they have to start listening because now you got the mass population saying hey
51:08
we we we hear this stuff's bad we don't want it anymore things happen so that's what what needs to happen here we need
51:15
to take this um to to mainstream media and articulate the story to them so that
51:23
they feel compelled to write about it and and talk about it on their radio shows and their television uh news and
51:30
and all that stuff James can be our spokesperson for it absolutely I mean can push for it for sure hey James I got
51:36
a question for you if they get rid of the glyphosat-prozess
51:56
you know the most economic for them as well right well Pete what they do is do
52:02
what they historically did and what Quebec does right now which is the mechanical removal of these competitive
52:08
deciduous plants so you know the year after the tree planters going and replant you got the crews that come out
52:15
you know with those big steel kind of you know weed rackers that that have got the metal blades on them and they just
52:21
go to town they go through these cut blocks and they cut anything that's not SPF Spruce Pine fur
52:27
um the blueberry bushes The Birches you know all that jazz and again it's going to make a 1% profit margin at the end of
52:34
the day uh you know to the guys at uh you know where it's being sold in in the
52:39
retail stores through the entire value chain but if this was going to be crippling economically for the forestry
52:46
companies then forestry companies would not be able to operate they'd all be bankrupt in Quebec yet Quebec's forestry
52:52
industry is 50% bigger than Ontario's so it's a load of crap man that these guys
52:59
can't operate without this chemical a case though of the uh you know closing
53:05
the barn doors after the horse horses are out I mean can we reverse this is is there any proof science is is science
53:12
telling us that it's too late or can we can we make a difference well science I mean to to me
53:19
Angelo it's all about the politics right like if the politics the politicians know the consumers out there are
53:25
concerned about this you know I think they will take action because again the for companies aren't going to go to business and to be honest most of the
53:31
blue collar you know entry-level guys out there who are working on the ground I bet you they don't want to be spraying
53:38
this stuff they don't want to be exposed to these chemicals and and if anything if you're so right now however much it
53:45
cost per year however many millions of dollars a year they're dumping into monsanto's coffers to buy this chemical
53:50
they could instead be hiring young guys out there young guys and gals to go out do there and do the mechanical cutting
53:57
right like what a great summer job for a university student or you know just a great you know great job period I'm sure
54:03
they pay the guys you know 20 or 25 bucks an hour to do that and uh instead that money is not going into the pockets
54:09
of hardworking ontarians it's going into the cers of Monsanto um so it's really
54:15
you know the the the waters do get muddy in the fact that for example when I post
54:20
about this on my w onario news page a bunch of farmers come out of the Woodworks and like hey man we spray that
54:27
stuff on our land all the time what do you mean it's toxic and once you kind of
54:32
lead into that like well if you're going to ban it on the Boreal forest you should also ban it on our Farmland why
54:39
haven't you banned it on our Farmland right and that kind of can can get it stuck you know muddled down into uh into
54:46
a quagmire there and it's a legitimate question right yeah um so it can get a
54:51
concerning but I think I think like you said if Mo the fact that quec
54:57
has not has banned this stuff for 20 years and is operating without it is an amazing case example that we can do this
55:04
too there's no right it's not it doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to
55:09
realize that Ontario could be doing this like Quebec
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episode has uh go ahead has it started leeching out or affecting the waterways yet do we have do we have any proof um
55:58
that it may be working its way South through waterways The Watershed definitely spraying in water areas I
56:05
can't you can't miss a river or something like that's around there right or something like that so yeah I mean this is what Joel's
56:11
really concerned about because he's all about operating uh for flying fishing right and when he sees these giant you
56:17
know 10,000 acre cut blocks that often times are just a ridge line behind some
56:22
of the waterways that he's going into that's what he's concerned about so um I will tell you about a podcast I can
56:29
send the link to you guys you can share with your audience if you wish for some reason this conversation was on one of the big like whail deer habitat
56:37
management podcast you know like guys managing their land to maximize you know whail deer production Etc he had a
56:43
retired engineer from the US Army Corps of Engineers onto the podcast talking about glyphosate and how it potentially
56:50
impacts ulet white tailed deer and moose and the like but he was also going into a story about his last project was
56:57
working on Lake Erie and uh you know I take my father fishing on Lake Erie every summer for the walleye down there
57:03
out of port Burwell the walleye fishery as you guys probably know is just incredible you know we limit out
57:09
sometimes in like in like 30 minutes and then you know go back in which is a good problem to have but uh he said on Lake
57:16
ERI what they're seeing is you know the problem with Lake ERI historically is always being a the man of phosphate you
57:21
know fertilizer stuff going into the Lakes from the uh Agland on the us and the Canadian side causing the alile
57:28
blooms which can at times wipe out an entire third like you know the Western Basin in the lake and basically kill all
57:34
life within it um and we've been getting better on that reducing the amount of phosphates going in he said the weird
57:41
thing that they're noticing is that the the size of alel blooms and the input of
57:46
fertilizers that correlation used to be very tight now it's kind of decoupling
57:52
and what his hypothesis is is that the amount of glyphosate that's running off into Lake yri has actually like it's
57:59
like doubled so when I say hypothesis is they're seeing the data that the amount of glyphosate go into Lake ER is going
58:06
up and his hypothesis is that correlation between glyphosate and the alil blooms is connected because what
58:12
the glyphosate does is it kills all the natural like good bacteria and it allows
58:17
that bad bacteria to just explode in size right and he he thinks the reason
58:22
that this is happening he's like they've all they were also doing studies on the soil in um I believe this was Ohio or
58:29
Pennsylvania uh you know adjacent to Lake Southern Lake Erie there and they've now been spraying glyphosate for
58:35
almost uh what is it since 96 so that's uh 24 years 25 whatever it happens to be
58:42
and what they're noticing is that the soil is no longer binding the glyphosate
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because after spraying the glyphosate a certain amount of it glyphosate for some reason it binds to I think it's like
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mainly copper and manganese these nutrients in the soil and it kind of makes it inert there's some chemical
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reaction that happens there but what they're finding is in Ohio and Pennsylvania the soil has been completely denuded of the copper and
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manganese which is also a bad story for the aide because the plants need it and also humans get our copper and manganese
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from the plants too right but all that copper and manganese has been exhausted
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from the glyphosate application and now the glyphosate that was getting bound up in the soil is just uh staying
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biologically active and just washing off into the creeks and the rivers and then getting into Lake Erie so if we've also
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been spraying this in our Boreal here in Ontario for the past whatever number of years um is the same thing happening up
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there it could be we're probably applying less glyphosate up in the boil than they are in the agance um because
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they'll only do it on a cup block once right they D it right after year one of replanting and then I believe they don't
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spray it again so it's probably a bigger concern in terms of waterways in the South where all the Agland is and
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they're spraying every year um but it's probably not good man I
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mean you think about the Aquatic food web and you know all the little tiny Critters and insects that those fish are
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feeding on um even like the you know the zoo Plankton and the uh what what are the zo Plankton the phyto Plankton I
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mean that's the that's the base of the food chain but you think about Lake hairing that the lake trout are eating
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they they they grow up eating that stuff and getting nuked by the glyphosate so it cannot be good for for fish either
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and we're eating those fish there got to be something to that right I'll tell you what though listening to you now I'm I'm
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drawing this really ugly picture because it's this is not a a this is a
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two-headed monster that we're dealing with two-headed in the sense that we've got the lumber industry which is massive
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and the agriculture industry which is probably as big if not even bigger and
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boy it would be and if they're both using this and they're both they they have both used this product to enhance
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their profitability right should be a hard one to beat oh my God tough fight to get
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into holy mackerel I can't even imagine the where where do you start I mean
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where do you start I think you you you got to bang the drama and even like getting on a big Outdoors platform you
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know like like fishing Canada I mean you guys talk to so many influential people you just had the you know the honorable
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Gren Smith uh on your program and you know talking to these guys you know they're just the politicians are
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listening to the the the voters and the technocrats within their ministry right so a lot of times they don't really know
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themselves so you know I think as long as you talk like Gren Smith you know you guys you guys know this much better than
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me you know you you talk to them politely and you you you raise your concerns and um you be uh you know make
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sure they know how big of a deal it is I mean the fishing Community like you said fishing and hunting it's not enormous
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compared to the mainstream but we do if you think about the Ontario Federation of Anglers and hunters or you
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know all the other different provincial organizations across Canada uh they're a they're a pretty unified voting block
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you know so if you can come out and say all the ofah members in Ontario we don't want you spraying this on our moose and
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our walleye lakes and our brook trout streams um this is affecting our way of
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life uh you know I think a guy like Gren Smith could could get behind that cuz again if it's making a 1% profit margin
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and a lot of these for Street companies right they operate in Ontario and Quebec under different company names but it's
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the same parent company so they're not going to go out of business man they're not g to go out of business if we force
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them to do it the way that Quebec is doing it that's the major I think Silver Bullet in this if Quebec can do it
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there's no reason that New Brunswick and Ontario and BC and all these other provinces uh can't accomplish this as
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well well a main thing it all starts with awareness and that's where where we are right now uh I'm thrilled to death
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that you came on and shared that with us because I think it's going to hopefully start going down the um before I let you
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go though I have a question to ask you that I I think maybe some listeners are asking themselves did you uh this this
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whole notion of the homestead was this brought on because of this fear of of
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like are you trying to get away from all of this well if I'm trying to avoid uh
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glyphosate in the Boreal I moved in the wrong direction um they spraying your
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house that's right if I see you guys again I'll have three eyes so yeah yeah I mean to be hon it was
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mainly done out of love for the outdoors as opposed to like a fear of anything in particular uh I would say I became
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convinced it was impossible to be a truly healthy human being in downtown Toronto where I came from you know
1:03:54
living on a home set on 40 acres I'm actually like technically I think I'm in central Ontario it's climate zone 4 you
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know so I've got the mix decision I've got Oaks and Maples and you know all the the the whole mix going on but uh so I'm
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actually not in an area that they're really spraying uh thank God but um it
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was uh it was about just trying to be healthy you know so I guess it's an adjacent reason but uh yeah I just think
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it's it's healthier to be living out in the woods man in a in a log cabin no kidding and and what do you do to uh
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what do you do for a living now aside from what what you're doing right now uh obviously when you move to a remote part
1:04:33
of the world your connections not all of them your connections are pretty much severed how
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do you how do you make a living what what he said he move from Toronto so he sold his house for a billion bucks now
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true that's he doesn't have to have an he good he's good now sorry go ahead
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James no man I'm I'm a millennial so unlike the Boomers who bought their house for a pack of blueberries and
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they're now worth $2 million I I was never able to you know I got to a point where I'd say I I came from an apartment
1:05:03
i' saved up enough money you know to do the down payment on a on a really crappy house or a tiny condo or buy 40 aces in
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the wilderness and I'm like let's do 40 acres in the wilderness man that sounds like a lot more fun to me um but I'm now
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completely forgetting the question that you answer you asked me what do you do for what do you do for income what do
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you do for income on the the previous outdoor uh Journal podcast I was the
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gentleman his name is escaping me he's the Diary of a law of a law Jer St yeah
1:05:34
Steve great dude great dude so he asked me that same question and I responded that I was a welder by day and a
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Stripper by night and uh he gave me the weirdest look ever I don't think he realized I was joking
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uh do you know why cuz he's he was he's a former welder himself that's right
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that's that's what it was that's right and he figured wow I could have a stripper too jeez you
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know so so that's why he he thought I was serious okay yeah yeah yeah cuz he
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was a welder he he quit welding he sold he had a business welding business and he and he scraped together everything he
1:06:12
from from the sales the proceeds of his business and bought a showe lodge on the upper French River and spent 10 years
1:06:19
totally immersed in that project and then ended up uh selling it so yeah that's amazing
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okay now I know why he didn't get the joke okay yeah's a he's a he's a great
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dude he's a great I'm not I'm not far from the French River actually but uh you know uh I was working all doing
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China stuff I moved back from China in 2019 and I continued to work over the internet to China essentially I was
1:06:44
acting as like an online host for brands in China in their e-commerce their live
1:06:49
e-commerce operations live e-commerce in China is like 20% of e-commerce turnover for some
1:06:55
reason it hasn't taken off in the west yet but I think it probably eventually will uh so I was going to continue doing
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that up up here uh on my Homestead uh I just basically took four months off to build the first cabin but thankfully the
1:07:07
YouTube It's called wild Homestead is kind of taken off so I'm I'm making enough money uh from the the YouTube
1:07:13
channel to not go back to my uh my old job so thank I get kind of getting paid
1:07:19
to be a crazy Lumberjack man so it's pretty it's pretty sweet so far Man by
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the way wild wild Homestead on YouTube is that you called it okay sorry goad wild Homestead yeah as as we you were
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just talking there uh this is a podcast Studio that we're sitting in and uh
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somebody just walked in that just my my my brain went Bing there's who we need to talk to about this whole process the
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former minister of Natural Resources Jerry wette has a podcast on our Network
1:07:47
as well and um it's called Under The Canopy and he forges for for all kinds
1:07:53
of stuff uh but yeah you got some chag tea right there
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uh he's the guy we need to talk to about this cuz he would have been involved he was probably the minister uh on record
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at the time um when this stuff was was being used he would have opposed it I
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bet you Jerry well we're going to find out we're going to ask him and he's also the perfect guy to run this byy uh to
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see how we can uh maybe get it out from under the uh the trees and get it on top
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I got a question for both you guys cuz you this goes way back to when we started talking and said Roundup was out
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they took it back they rejigged it and then they brought it out again is it still effective without no the gly no no
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really although although I have to tell a story about this okay see that's and they're working on their brand that name
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they just they brought it back and hoping people will buy it Round Up Roundup is like that's the name that's
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the brand right but I will tell you a story about this now that this is all coming to fruition here so it doesn't
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work as well however recently last last spring I
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had an experience with it where it literally burned everything weeds grass everything
1:09:10
it it looked like you know when when a dog pisses on your line you get those yellow I know quite well you know well
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oh my I got about three pieces of grass left in my backyard right now anyways I I had gone through and
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meticulously hand removed all the weeds and dandy lines on my lawn right and
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then we went away on a trip my wife thought that she would do me a favor and
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she got round up and sprayed it in all the little divots that I had left behind
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by physically removing the weeds right cuz I didn't want to use any spray y when I got back it was all it was all
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yellow yellow the gr kills everything yeah so so it's meant for like weeds growing up to the brick and
1:09:57
your driveway and that so it's not me for anything in the lawn wow so whatever they changed it with it's still still
1:10:02
nasty yeah maybe they didn't change who knows maybe it's back I know for a while it was being uh you you had to ask for
1:10:12
it because it was under lock and key it was in they kept it in yeah they kept it
1:10:17
in cages wi laser levels and stuff like that no kidding ask for and they'd come
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and they'd walk you to the till with it in a whole bit yeah so have a chain and a handcuff onto a
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briefcase came okay Mr Viola here's your Roundup I'm telling you it and then and
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then after a while it just started appearing out on the Shelf again so wow I don't know yeah I don't know if
1:10:40
because I know they had to they had to yank it in the US I don't know about Canada for whatever reason we're kind of dragging our butts especially compared
1:10:47
to the European Union but also compared to the US and a lot of the stuff for example the EU and the US just banned
1:10:52
this class of chemicals called pfas they're called Forever chemicals invented by the wonderful Minnesota
1:10:58
company uh 3M Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing and that's another classic example of a novel synthetic compound
1:11:05
seems to be wonderful especially for like waterproofing and fireproofing stuff right used on non-stick PL pans
1:11:12
for outdoors the biggest concerns would be your uh what is it called rain gear
1:11:17
and Tents anything that's got a waterproof coating like gortex unfortunately um they've just banned it
1:11:24
in the EU and the US I think by 2026 no companies can use the stuff they
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find 3M I think three years worth of profit something like9 billion for all
1:11:37
the damage that it does because it's basically you know like 99% of the North Americans have pfas in our bloodstream
1:11:42
somewhere just because it's so you know pervasive um but that is another example like glyphosate a novel synthetic
1:11:49
compound they test it right for like 12 months they're like what could possibly go wrong unfortunately with many health
1:11:56
and ecological things sometimes it takes 10 or 20 years right so unfortunately
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our way in the Western World of testing novel synthetic compounds is Let's test
1:12:07
it for six months on rats if the rats don't die we'll use all humans as a
1:12:12
guinea pig and if we see people dying in 20 or 30 years or having babies with
1:12:18
three eyeballs then we'll take it off the market in my opinion it needs to be the other way around you got to test it
1:12:24
for 10 years before you release it because your children my children our families are the guinea pigs for these
1:12:30
chemical companies and it's it's not right man it's not right I wish we had had this podcast
1:12:37
before we had uh Doug Ford on the show yeah no kidding
1:12:42
would have been great to drop been great to drop that bomb on them wouldn't I all right we'll figure it out um how can
1:12:48
folks get a hold of you where can they find out more about you where they where can they see you tell us all all the
1:12:54
addresses that we to know absolutely I'm at the uh the downtown strip club in Sudbury every Saturday night the
1:13:03
plaza the plaza Steve is there too with me you know after yeah and then also
1:13:09
yeah wild Ontario news on on Instagram and Tik Tok for the the you know the the wild Ontario outdoor stuff and then uh
1:13:17
YouTube is a wild Homestead uh for for my I do a weekly Vlog of all the stuff I'm doing as a uh a city city slicker
1:13:24
trying to learn how to build Homestead in the uh in the central Ontario uh Wilderness so that's that's and just
1:13:30
thank you to you gentlemen I grew up watching you you're such a big inspiration and uh keep doing it you
1:13:35
guys are absolute Legends I I I don't know if you realize that fully but uh you guys are just great you're you're
1:13:41
you're an inspiration thanks so much appreciate it man always love heing the the the love is wonderful Keep It Coming
1:13:47
buddy we appreciate it you take care of yourself we'll uh we'll talk very soon young
1:13:53
man take care James James alofs wow I'm going to go check
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out that knowledge that man I'll tell you I want to go check out that Homestead thing oh I'm going to watch I'm going to definitely subscribe to his
1:14:04
channel for sure that would be so cool to do though really I think it'd be great so that is so steveen as Wiki like
1:14:11
that is Stevie to a right Stevie should be doing that like I'm surprised he hasn't the only reason he has meliss
1:14:16
Melissa might exactly we should have asked James if he's on on doing this on his own or
1:14:23
whether he has significant other cuz that's got influence for sure if you're not both on the same page I don't think
1:14:29
that that ever happens but if you are on the same page just boom you're gone you know what I mean that's the that's the nice part about it is to total agree
1:14:35
let's get the hell out of this crazy City and let's move somewhere where nobody is you actually we got to get
1:14:40
back on to talk about the homestead I think that' be a great podcast I think it' be a great that whole move from City
1:14:47
Life to uh isolation and to see you know I mean there's homesteads and there's
1:14:52
homesteads I I curious to see if he's like truly Off the Grid right and you
1:14:58
know existing without anything like power verus solar energy maybe he's got something like
1:15:04
that going there big would be a huge thing out there right anyways your water your water like how do you get your
1:15:10
water you have to have water right so do you how do you have your purification and all that kind of stuff I would think
1:15:16
you do you have to oh well you take the bucket walk down the that's got gly
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glyphosate but that's not good for us anymore apparently I know that's why we should
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have mine for sure absolutely that it folks thank you very much for joining us
1:15:31
uh we uh we thought you might enjoy listening to this guy he's he's he's so
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good at what he's doing and that is making people aware oh he's fantastic
1:15:41
making people aware of what's going on out there because a lot of us especially down you know in the in the urban areas
1:15:47
we are so far removed from knowing what's going on up there right yeah
1:15:55
anyways on behalf of the entire crew of OA sitting there waving at us behind the
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camera uh Dean Taylor our producer he is Peter Bowman well he'll put he'll put it
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in after he's Peter Bowman I'm mag Biol thanks for joining us we'll talk to you soon
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