Is Your Shorelunch Full of Mercury?? | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 154

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destination for your Outdoor Adventures well hello everybody how are
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you today uh thank you for joining us Peter Bowman Angelo Bola Outdoor Journal
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radio the podcast thank you come on now come on now that's right and Dean Taylor
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over here come on now come on now vaa over there there's a bunch of oh V's the Dean's come on now
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full of he can't hear the buttons still well he can't hear that that's right too he's got his headphones
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in your pieces listening to I don't know mega death or something I don't
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know wonderful program today a little later on will be joined we we first uh
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heard about the subject actually a few weeks ago on an episode um about a study
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out of the um state of Minnesota that showed that uh higher levels of mercury
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were found in Walley and perch in water that had Zeb muscles the higher
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concentration of zebra muscles the higher levels of mercury in these two
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fish and uh uh coming up here in a few minutes we'll be joined by assistant
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professor at the University of Minnesota uh Dr um Gretchen Hansen she is a
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Fisheries ecologist we right to the top we asked Dean to get us somebody that knew a
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little bit about yeah we were expecting low level we didn't ever expect to get the ecologist of Fisheries
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ecologist and thank you Dino thank you Dino for getting that for us so we'll be
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joined by her uh here in a couple of minutes to talk about this thing because you know it affects all of us one way or the other whether whether you're fishing
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uh and decide to harvest some walleye and perch just happens to be the most
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delicious fish on the planet that's the biggest concern uh whether you do that or just buying it at a local grocery
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store one day um you need to know what is in our
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foode unpackaged food you got that right but first little business Mr Bowman yeah
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how about uh the fish and Canada store we always start out with the fish and Canada store is that going to be anything the back worn have I worn this
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one before yeah probably the I think I do remember steel head yon rikus micus
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there I think I love this one it's beautiful TR rainb there's all kinds of
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that one too you're in all of them aren't you well I don't have the hoodie you got all the hoodies I just got the
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Rogers not right another another chance to get some good fishing and hunting content so I I watch this on the
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Sportsman Channel on the weekend did you yeah so is there is that on Rogers you have Rogers Dean is that what you're
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saying my parents have coo so it's on coo yeah they've been there for a while but Rogers is the latest to put them um
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up I believe I'm having a hard time finding Sportsman Channel Canada so I've got wfn I've got uh all the other
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outdoor channels we have an ad we have an ad for our show that plays on there all the time that I had never seen
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before no yeah I I don't know I don't remember making it like I don't remember us making what is it yeah it's Pete
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talking about how we have the best job on the planet and then an catches a big fish and i' I don't remember ever doing
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that V so I don't know where maybe it was preu maybe it's a really oldie maybe
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was pre new footage like it's from last year did vaa do you remember putting
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that commercial together no Joe Joe would be the Joe and Monique would be the no but we would know about it how we
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do like 80,000 reads a year no but we would know wouldn't we know guys I would hope we would know is it good do we look
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good it was really good I I really enjoyed it it got me all pumped up for the show there you go ladies and gentlemen boys and girls children don't
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don't especially think that we know what we're doing but we know it's good that's going out there
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uh what episode was it on Dean you I was watching season uh when this came by the
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time this comes out it would have been four episodes ago so it was the Nordic Point episode oh wow wow there you go
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yep right okay all right okay well I hope you enjoyed the commercial I would like to enjoy we got now we got to see
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it now we have to go dig in with Joe now to see what we can find out here obviously see ourselves at work at our
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best work there we're not kidding folks right now also uh fishing canidate
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YouTube every Monday is a is our new episodes that are on on Saturday goes on
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channel and leave comments and subscribe and do all that kind of stuff speaking of which uh listener feedback this
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week's listener feedback comes to us via YouTube is just mentioned now does that make them
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no this comment is not eligible for the hundred bucks right no cuz this isn't a question okay got you so could could
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Mark uh Grenier I believe that's where he pronounced Mark Grenier
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7692 who submitted this via YouTube is that is that French yeah he's from quebe he's from
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Quebec hey didn't know bilingual I know you're by all
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right uh my question then Dean to you more than it is to mark would Mark not
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been further ahead had he submitted this as a question as opposed to a comment
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because then he would have been eligible to win a $100 coupon on fishing canada.com is that correct or am I if he
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put a question mark anywhere in there he would have been eligible but there does that seem fair Mark I apologize for
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these two guys making feel bad like that Mark just a good guy just giving us said
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just you know working with us not again us you know what I mean he's like he's commenting and all that we ask for the
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people to comment so okay but but I don't know we need to talk to the rules committee on this and see if yeah
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everybody's going to put a question mark that's that's the best why not right but we still have to we still have to accept
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it once we read it we have to accept it so why not I would go for it the very very end of it is we'll read it and then
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the very end we have to put a little question mark in there mark uh grer
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7692 92 7692 that's what I said v v that
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92 that's a weird one in in French that you have to go 20 40 60 80 and then plus
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12 I believe that's the way they do it FR W uh via YouTube in response to episode
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150 1 um suing this is in response to this
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particular uh headline suing to save strike bass there are two main problems
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with Atlantic salmon the first one is bad government management for years and years the second one is climate change
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yep agreed agreed uh the water is too low and too hot in the rivers and oceans everywhere so what he's responding to is
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is uh an issue that we um produced an episode I don't know how long ago 151
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whenever that was where we uh had Jeff Wilson on the program because there was
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a a major outbreak of uh we need to kill
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strip bass in the Mir Mai uh get down and so there was a whole thing uh that
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we did and this is in response to that episode so uh he saying that there are two main issues because the issues were
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Atlantic salmon right there the people want to uh eradicate Bass from the waterways down there because somehow
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they feel that bass is responsible for the decline of the Atlantic s just to bring everybody up to spe bass and musky
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and smallo smallo bass too this right B everything so I said bass I just said bass I
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bass really but I covered it all you missed musky well I don't think musky is
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probably as big anyways regardless don't give me I want to read the CU you see Mark unbeknownst to mark could have made
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$100 on this cuz it's a very good point he's making and we could have rounded it out to a question why don't you just
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give him the $100 certificate if you love them that much don't be so cheap can we take it out of can we take can
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you cover it sure okay there you go Mark congratulations Peter Bowman is sending you a $100 Peter Bowman gift certificate
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available uh and redeemable on fishing canada.com well not me uh yeah you could
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send it to him in French if you like oh right right
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um where was I so anyways he goes on to say there are two main problems with Atlantic salmon the first one is bad
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government management of fishery for years and years the second is climate change and the water is too low and too
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hot and rivers and oceans everywhere so uh what is happening is that there is no
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real future for salmon fisherman but there was for straight bass until today
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by giving more commercial licenses for strip bass leier will kill leer is that
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I'm assuming that is who is that I believe that's the minister the minister uh will kill that fishery too lodes for
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sure well without question uh lodges will go bankrupt and tourism will be more scarce good job liuer uh continue
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with that and kill everything he says destroy everything uh for example I live in Quebec which that's how you knew he
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was from Dean you were cheating you knew that Dean's Clairvoyant uh for example I
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live in Quebec which is close to the uh Trinity River in 1980 there were more
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than 3,000 salmon to spawn this year 63
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it is done it is done it is done see if You' have changed those two words around
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is it done and a question mark I I'd have been in I'd have been all in on that one
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3,000 down to 63 yeah it's it's the way it is it's unfortunate so I'm assuming
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Le boutier is the federal minister of Fisheries right it would be DFO because DFO DFO was hugely involved in this yeah
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was and that's just this 3,000 salmon down to 63 is done before that I'm
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assuming before this commercial upage happened right so he's going to get worse everywhere especially in the Marmi
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and and places like that she's going to get he talking about salmon she is the
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minister and talking about salmon saying that there were more than 3,000 salmon no no I know I'm saying that but we're
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backtracking to killing all the stripers or the bass because they're killing all these is even going to get you know
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they're well you know what I mean go ahead go ahead I'm confused go ahead but that's okay I'm I'm okay with
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that because I didn't know that Mark was from Quebec Dean did I know Dean did
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that's why you started speaking to him in in Fr well Dean told me was FR so I thought you know I might as well my but
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no it's a good good uh comment and thank you very much for submitting that I I would ask you mark to rethink maybe
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sending us a question with a question mark on the yend uh coming up um does it matter Dean
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where like that that seg the questions are Fishfinder mouse.com correct so do how do they get involved pulling from
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YouTube okay so okay there you go so he would have been wide open game right if he was subscribed if you're subscribed
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the majority of the people who listen to this podcast are not subscrib okay well how do you know if he's subscribed or
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not it shows me a little button beside his name that says he's a loyal sub little better he knew he was French come
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on he knows you're subscribed yeah I'm confused you guys are confusing
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me today oh God Al so they have to be subscribed as well then yeah yeah or
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else they're not loyal we can't trust them yeah oh be invading oh
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and somebody asked me the other day a good friend Tony De Batista Tony hi Tony
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how are you buddy he probably doesn't listen to us either does he no he listens apparently are you subscrib Tony our YouTube channel well thank you he
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wants to know he asked me he says so I just realized that you guys have no
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subscription cost I said no why would we do that YouTube okay yeah why would we
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do that no because that seems like a waste of opportunity shouldn't people
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pay to subscribe no because we broadcast free of charge yeah these are our people
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he was conf then he said I said where are you getting all this and he was telling me in the gambling industry how
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it works and they have those guys that you're talking about those guys have uh there's one guy who has
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685,000 paid subscribers paid
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subscribers I can't even count with that high not even an English paid subscriber and and the minimum cuz you can buy in
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at three different levels right the minimum level is $4.99 a month five bucks a month wow that's the Min you
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what you give you extra what we what can we givea because I don't know cuz I'm not giving them the five bucks exactly
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normally people do like if you want more episodes or you want like an uncensored episode that's what people charge on
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patreon oh Bo we can make a lot of money on us swearing I'll tell you that right now uncensored if people had an appetite
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for that we could charge and the the the thing with that is because it's behind a pay wall you're not like
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liable for anything you know you can say whatever you want because someone paid for it wow like only fans exactly they
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can show you anything yeah we could do the same thing well I don't want to sound Tony Tony he he wouldn't have made
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a comment about fishing or anything would he have he didn't any did he say anything about no he yeah no he did he
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say when we going fishing God love but uh where was I
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going with this but I do love the idea of uh monetizing the the the brand I mean if that if that
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is a I mean it sounds if it's that easy then maybe we should be charging what do you think I think no not at least not
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yet when we get to 600 and something thousand then we can start saying okay you know what we going to give you a little extra are we there yet Dean are
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we close can I aspire to 20 something thousand okay well we're close it's close enough some work close enough we
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could we could start maybe as in a small way or something I don't know well people can there's a little button at
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the bottom to I think it says like Buy me a coffee you can give us like a dollar if you want oh yeah come on if
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people really wanted to M getting their coffees at Starbuck Starbucks are they has any there's no $1 copy there I'll
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tell you that has anybody given us a dollar at all no no or cuz you would let us know right you wouldn't hold out one
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time someone gave us five bucks in a comment I remember that somehow yeah I do remember that well then we have
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monetized ourselves then what the hell am I wor are we are we taxed on that we pay tax on that five bucks you know only
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if I claim it so it didn't really happen we're just saying it just saying if it if it might have happened wonder if the
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CEST got her hold of that five bucks or count is not well she's I've heard
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speaking of our French Canadian friends I got to get her on the show how are we going to get her on the show guys
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we got to come up with a way can we fool her can we do this de is this even possible can
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I just I'll come up with the reason to have come and sit down here and put the
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headset on and everything else fo and fool her into not knowing that we're
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actually up and running we could do an audio test when Pete's not here well we'll have no one here it'll be
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lunchtime and then we'll make her come down to test that mic and you guys can just have a chat ni we're having issues with this uh the microphone system and
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Dean has to be there and nobody else here can sit in here um I would love to
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do that or or you maybe can you throw a CH she is she a competitive person can you throw a challenge to her no she is
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she competitive well maybe you can Chen on somehow like make it legit no the best way to do it say Monique would you
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mind coming uh to the podcast set please we've got some issues with some of the
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equipment and I know that if I just ask you for the budget to upgrade you're
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going to yell at me so I want you to sit down and I want you to listen let's talk
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for a bit because the problem the problem only comes up periodically it's not all the time and so I need you to
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sit here micone yeah and so we need to talk could be a $1,000 upgrade or
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something we might need that and she's going to and then she's going to say we don't need this goddamn upgrade she's going to I love it oh yeah I like that
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okay I like that you got to make it a money you got to make yeah a company spend in there we'll find and but you
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I'll tell you what you're going to need a private page for her but when you're going to hear from her it ain't going to be public I tell you that right
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now there's your subscription base right there the Monique episodes just called fishing Canada the Monique episodes boy
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oh man all paper that trust you that's good stuff speaking of which uh
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conservation Corner brought to you by of which I love it brought to you by the
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invasive species Center Asian carp information session is upon us is it not
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Dean or how's how's this working how's that it's upon us it be next week January 28th might be this
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week all right cuz I don't have any more information other than that here but you your old paper there above you there
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above and beyond right there thank you very much our grass carp piece uh it's all about grass carp and the potential
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to in fact in fact you're you're going to hear from a uh a professor coming up shortly in the program that's going to
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talk to us about another invasive species which happened years ago and we just assumed it was okay and that is the
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zebra muscle well it's rearing its ugly head now some two or three decades later
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and uh but at the time we were all concerned about it I remember it was like the world oh my God remember when
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that first came in when they first came in and then we kind of our leges changed Dynamics have everything changed
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and then like you say yeah we complacent with it you know what well let's deal with it in a fishing aspect we never thought anything else of it and now 30
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years later it's rearing ugly in show later on all the more reason why we need to be on top of things uh the grass carp
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is now the Potential Threat and it's going to have a negative impact on all
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of us it could be a larger threat than zebras right zebras and quag is going to be a larger I think so absolutely right
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absolutely so if you're in the area uh the Windsor Sportsman Club in Windsor
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Ontario area I would suggest that you take the time January 28th 6: to 9:00
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p.m. drop down to the Windsor sportsman's club it's free of charge um
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some great people will be there I Dean did I understand are you going are you going to be there I'll be there all
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right um and uh they will be talking to you about this grass carp Invasion uh and
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like I said a lot of workshops will be going on a lot of uh government people will be there some uh regular folks who
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just have a vested interest in our fishery will be there talking to you there's Q&A sessions going on
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complimentary uh food and refreshments come on now I like that not sure what that will consist of but there last one
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we went to was pretty damn damn good and it was complimentary in fact the uh the homemade local ladies prepared a
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wonderful Feast for us was really good and uh if you do you also have a chance to win a Yeti backpack oh my a cooler
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backpack valued at 400 buckaroos nice price I'd like to see
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them do a few more of these it'd be nice to get them in different areas right Windsor we did the one in Belleville maybe we could do one in the GTA that'd
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be a nice thing that would be one touch like that maybe they go far farther why do they go so far from the mecca The Hub
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east to west like that is the furthest west in Windsor and then uh and then
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Beville is a bit east we need to get one Central de you've got an in there you've got people there I'll make a suggestion
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make a sgg do aswa next year yeah I think as got to be some kind of a little venue here we could uh get into sneak
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into but for now it's uh Windsor Sportsman Club January 28th 6:00 to 9:00
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p.m. be there be square what about our back room do in there couldn't we yeah I'd love to do that that'd be awesome
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open the doors up smoke some cigars and there you go hey you got to always bring
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us back to that well you know a guy's got to do what a guy's got to do man uh in the news Mr Bowman in the
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news okay let me switch my page here Angelo okay bass gets rid of co-angler
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program so what's up so here as fishing tournaments evolved years ago in b bs
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bass angler Sportsman Society actually did this in the they got to a point where they had two people in a bass boat
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fishing in the tournament and at first it was a uh they called it an angler a
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co-angler and what had happened there was a boat or non- Booter but it really started as and the guy that so Angelo
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owns a boat and he's fishing this tournament and they want to put somebody in the back of Angelo's boat well person
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you don't trust me or well that could that's part of it that was part of keeping things honest and then they choose from a of people that didn't have
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boats so let's just say it was a nice perfect number 50 and 50 just as a number like that so Pete has no boat
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they pull Pete Bowman's a out of the Hat Pete you fish with Angelo for this day tomorrow change that would be fun I know
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it be nice to fish together for once this be a riot and then uh so that's the way it started like that and then it and
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then it evolved to Pro AMS there's a professional in the boat and an amateur gets chosen but but those guys by the
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way ANS and I were fishing against each other on the same boat on the same boat right the advantage goes to the guy
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running the boat cuz he is a little bit of angles in a pro am event professional
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anular and Pete Bowman the amateur gets on the boat and we can fish either for the team our team or we can they have an
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amateur on that go ahead I remember years ago my first experience at that was out of uh Clayton New York yeah
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that's right yeah you did and I was a you guys did the BSS you and Reno didn't you yeah I think I was a non-bo for one
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I did two of them A non-bo and A Boer really I would have never thought You' have been an nonb right like yeah would have thought you'd I remember that one
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that guy boy he put on the clinic I can't remember his name but he put on the clinic because in that case we were
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competitors on his boat bet I bet you you were both boter but you had to choose a boat maybe that was it you have
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to do that so you say you know what we'll go with your boat I got half a day up front you get a half a day I was very naive though I got to tell you I I I
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because up until that point the only tournaments I had fished were team tournaments right and so you're two guys
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on the boat you're you're very much together and it's kind of a a team thing and and and uh boy that I have a wake up
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call that day holy heack moly well first of all first of all he backbed me first
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of all backb just everybody knows just quickly Angelo's running the boat he's in the front of that boat right there
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he's fishing all the good water and keeping me away from it cuz I have to stay in the back of the boat so I can't really get I got to cast around I'm in a
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boomerang cast and I can't do it so and back then it was prior to it could have been the year before a couple years
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before it was prior to having the 50/50 rule where where I believe a couple
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years later they went because this became such a problem they said okay whoa whoa whoa whoa okay you got to
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split the time on the front of the boat that's right 50/50 at this point it was not 50/50 okay and I was exiled to the
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back of the boat if you were both boter you fli the coin and got his and Angelo you lose in other words yeah and and uh
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I learned a lot about competitive bass fishing on that event let me tell you and it was a
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fortune it was expensive I remember back and I'm talking uh uh early to mid 80s
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and it was like 600 bucks us for me to be there wow my entry fee to get backbed
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to get backbed I can see you being this guy just put on a clinic for me large
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mouth or small mouth quick large mouth wow large mouth and the worst the most humiliating part of it all
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I'll never forget it's funny how some things you could I can't remember what happened this morning right but I can remember this incident which happened 40
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years ago mhm I finally got the courage up not because he had said I couldn't
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but he was very intimidating big scruffy Texan and uh I finally got the courage
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up cuz he was whacking these fish like crazy right I finally got the courage to
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cast one over his head oh boy how would that go over his head
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and so I put this along we were throwing big 3/4 oun spinner baits in off-colored water big big wacky blades like loud
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splashing so I finally threw it over cuz I got pissed off and so you should have but yeah I threw it over his
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head and I'm bringing it back to the boat and I'm dragging it up beside he's at the at the nose of the boat and so
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I'm I'm pulling this spitter bait back to me like that exactly and right at
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about him boom I get smacked with this great big large mouth and I blow back oh I
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didn't even realize but in that Split Second he had dropped a jig in like
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immediately and he caught an 8B 7 PB and change out of uh B uh bfield bay
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Bayfield Bay come on so he went in behind that fish you had 72 yeah he CAU
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that fish and he got it to the boat and he was shaking his but I I I gotta
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apologize I wouldn't normally do that
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God so that was my experience at Co angling and uh needless to say I stayed
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away from it but then a couple years later they they changed it up so that you had a 50/50 thing you know so if you
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lose your coin flip um you're at the back of the boat even on your own boat right uh for the first half of the day
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and then you get the boat the second half of the day which kind of even it a little bit although obviously early day
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versus late time you know anyway the the uh this is in the bass match or opens and this was last year so they ran a
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co-angler but it wasn't like it was a I think the co-anglers are all against each other so the elites the highest end
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where our Canadian boys are in like that they are just you on the boat fishing and that is it cameraman judge or what
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referee depending on scrutin whatever but um usually the cam SC but these
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opens is the next level down from the elite so this is where where the guys qualify for the elites guys and girls if
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it happens and uh they've always had this co-angler Pro program up until covid came in and then all of a sudden
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they had to stop oh we got to have individual people on the boat and all that and they've never gotten back to it and now they're they were talking to the
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Anglers and essentially a lot of the Anglers are saying well cuz a lot of times they don't fill up the field with
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co-anglers right so a co-angler could honestly help you a lot of times in your
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boat so some guys are running a pro in the front and a co-angler in the back and other boats there's not enough so
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it's just a pro in the front right so there's an uneven amount there's it's not it's not equal no matter what level
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that person is in the back so in the back of the boat as you know sometimes that guy starts firing out a senko and all of a sudden crack crack crack and he
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starts whacking them that's help to you right so it gives an uneven Advantage so they' they've decided that they're going
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to drop the the co-angler thing and uh and just go just just like the elites going to be straight up let's go and
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then the co these co-anglers now can go through the um to the National what is it called there's a it's written in here
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uh the open the national Nation qualifiers so these co-anglers could now go into another tournament a series down
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from that so I mean back in the day one of the reasons that this whole thing was
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made available was that co-anglers generally did not there were entry-level people who didn't have the means or the
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will to spend the money to buy a boat but they wanted to experience that still is to that the prize a lot of the time
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is a boat it is so yeah which was kind of cool cuz I think there have been Anglers who have went from the co-angler
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program to the elites with like the boat they went I I'm pretty sure there's been a couple who have oh really I don't know
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about that that'd be quite a quite a so what happens now now so by eliminating this it's just almost the same as the
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elites I believe I think it's just the angler the pro angler in the front I'm thinking more cooper cooper glant got in
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through the I think they all did all the guys did but Co a perfect example is that he did the opens and then uh and
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then he won a tournament in the opens which got him into the elites immediately um and I don't know and they
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went through the Nationals to the Nations uh at first but uh yeah it's just a changed way it was all because of
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Co because they used to do it all the time in the in the opens the angler Co more for the co-angler say a young
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youngster who wants that experience ripping them off you're thinking like go W so what are they
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doing to replace that giving them these Nation these uh yeah but he still has to come up with a boat uh I don't I think
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they can do that with a boat or without a boat I'm not sure how that one works I'm not sure about that but uh they do
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give them a chance there is an opportunity for them to go from the qualifiers to the opens to the elites eventually I believe I'm not sure how
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they do it in the Nations but uh there is a way and that story is up on fishing canada.com Dean yep good I want to read
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yeah I like that that's that's a nice wow but we don't know if he's qualified yet though no not yet well we don't know
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he's he's eligible cuz he subscribed but we went to the expense of putting his name up on on the screen yeah but Dean
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said that Jim is a longtime viewer subscriber he is he's the man for us
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like he's one of the man for us right so on excuse me so why you're down there what are you doing crying out
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loud so Jim is worthy of putting his name up there Jim I'm going to say your name again Jim Lemon Jim Lemon Jim Lemon
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lemon that's a hard one to do five times in a row just to give him lots of there are a pair of beauties huh what about
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the fish the fish are okay I mean they're a little dark but that was a great shoot that was one hell
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of a shoot so much fun out there and that was a great double header for sure and that was with twitch baits may I add
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yri let everybody know yes by the way do you know we're not on their your
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website sorry to interrupt folks but this is I just get back to you there we'll be right back for so I got a call
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from first I got a text message from a good friend of ours and it was like one of those oh my
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God are you guys not with your Zuri anymore question mark question mark oh
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boy oh boy and I said well last time I looked we were why and then he phones me
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well I was just on their site to see what's up for you and and and you're not on their site anymore I said well I
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don't know that we were on their site to start with well they got they got all of their uh Pro Staff and Media Partners
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and all that and you guys aren't there interesting and I said well I thought we were at
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some point kind of should be I would think or he says you should be I guess you should be is were his
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comments anyways I thought we should look into you know what I wonder now if we went to Princecraft would we be on
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Princecraft site this brings out a great question I know the one we are on is Garmin you you have to dig deep into
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there but in their in their staff Garmin has a on do we do a shitty job of marketing ourselves you think well I
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person I think I would think that a Princecraft in their world I mean yeah we do a great job of talking their name
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they should say holy crap there's an opportunity of a lifetime let's put an and Pete up there in our nice speaking
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of which we're going to be with them in a couple of weeks at the boat show in their when this uh well he said this is
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going out next week so I'm assuming the week after yeah uh we'll be at the Toronto ask them for on on their website
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no we'll look into it and then we'll find out and we'll ask them why we're not on their website if we're not and if we are we'll just say thanks Mr prin can
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we look into yui Dean and see why we're Yi we not there for sure I just checked yeah we're not we're not a Pro Staff you
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but they also they also have media people there you look at Garmin you'll see us on that one but um interesting we
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should be all of our partners we should be Ontario tourism we're in there it's deep in there but we are in there they
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they deep they dig us deep in there how deep look at our faces we got faces for
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radio you know I don't know I don't mind the look at that yeah true enough you know you even got your Ontario hat on
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there and I got my Princecraft hat on thereo we're not on the Princecraft site either no I didn't think so Mercury I
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know we're not in the Mercury site anyways the question from from Jim Lemon Jim Lemon okay as our environment keeps
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changing be it global warming or invasive species brackets Zebra muscles woo nice nice nice that's why he's on I
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got you put that in there though I I see what you're doing Dean okay I got it have you had to adapt your angling
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methods to be successful for bass or walleye uh respectfully Jim Lemon that's
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a question so as the environment changes so global warming or Zebra muscles we'll
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use those two as examples because they're perfect ex methods to be successful while sure yah for sure uh
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like a big time for sure so so Zebra muscles I'll use I'll use Lake Ontario
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cuz he said uh bass and wall I use Lake Ontario small mouth for this in the in
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the sense that back back in the day we used to be able to pretty much throw
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whatever we wanted wherever we wanted um with anything we wanted and we'll look at line size maybe and it was pretty
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effective now that the Zebra muscles have come in the water is cleaned up that much more and it is now gin clear
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let's say we're fishing early open opening week Momo the water gin clear they're shallow
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still when they get spooked up a bit or whatever May reason now they can really see the line so you're thinking okay
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well I got a downsize from 8 lb now I got to go down to six lb now your
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problem with that six lb line is if you're running a bait like a a jig a tube jig a Ned rig or anything like that
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you get that anywhere close to the bottom you're going to break off so many times because of the Zebra muscles because they're they're so sharp the
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edges of the the muscle are so sharp so it's a double-edged sword it's bizarre Zebra muscles caus you to downsize your
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line because of filtering the water making the fish can see your line better but the other side they're also going to
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cut your line because they make you downside exactly dou so so what's that
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do they're protecting the fish protecting the fish they're protecting the so my my solution when I'm out fishing like
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that is piss on that I'm not using six PB lime because I know it is useless out there in that in that environment maybe
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in other places you know when you're running a spy bait or something like that absolutely you could do that kind of stuff but um I I suck it up and I'll
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go to a 10 lb line and I'll say you know what I'm not going to catch the 100 fish
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that everybody are going to catch using six PB line but I might catch two or three or four or five Big Five Pounders
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with that 10B line because there's always a bite or two in the group right you you can you run 10lb fluorocarbon
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lader URI liter we we use super floral you're going to get some fish on that so I actually upsized to 10 or 12 and at
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least then you have a chance it's going to get nicked but you might not break it off so that's one one instance for me in
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the lake Ontario thing that I've had to change the other one you say global warming well one of the effects of global warming obviously is water
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temperature and that's changed our fishing tremendously because uh water
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temperature is almost everything in our day-to-day fishing lives so we've had to
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change location based on temperature absolutely and every year it seems like
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we're you know dropping a degree or two within our fishing environment which
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also is affecting us moving us I a funny story about that where you people might
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not change because it's really important I mean this is a great question Jim but
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you also open up a whole lot of other uh things here that we need to comment on because Anglers who aren't changing are
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probably not catching right right AB that's the key here abs and it reminds
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me of a time um I was on an Advisory Board B aqu quiny walleye and and the
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fishery was in apparent uh trouble and they wanted to know whether they needed
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to have a a total moratorium on on walleye fishing at the time so they
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brought in a bunch of us to sit with the scientists and go over their work and
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notes and and see if there's something that was obvious or Andor missing and or
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something that we could suggest that might help them and lo and behold after I think six weeks almost two months
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uh we we came up with the fact that they hadn't made any changes and the changes were required because this was at the
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beginning of the zebra muscle Invasion and their um methodology had not changed
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with the clearing of the water so they were dropping their Nets the Nets are are catch Nets where they would get
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samples of fish in order to give them an idea of the density of the population so
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you know I don't even remember what the formula was but if there was five fish in the net every day that means that
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there's actually 500 fish in this acre of water type thing anyways throughout
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that previous year when the water had cleared up they still were dropping
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their Nets in the same location and catching fewer fish hence the population
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is in trouble there's less fish here than there were last year and
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through talking with them about this we discovered that the problem was with the
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water clearing the fish had moved a little bit farther offshore from where their Nets were being dropped and in
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fact that were're not the same number Walley but the population had actually
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exploded without them knowing because they hadn't adapted to where the sampling was being done they didn't
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realize just like just like the Anglers simple as that right now think of that as applying to an angler the angler goes
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back to the same place over and over again oblivious to any changes that may be happening especially temperature yeah
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they might not that two or three degrees they don't even Ah that's nothing I no big deal I've caught them my dad caught
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them here I caught them here my neighbors been catching them here for years why they're not here anymore M well that's because probably I mean I'm
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not downplaying the fact that there may be a problem with that fishery in that particular spot cuz who knows but nine
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times out of 10 is just a matter of not adapting and not making those changes right and another thing with when you
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saying being successful uh with bass in particular with larg M bass in particular now with this global warming
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I'm fishing into the end of November for larg MTH bass in an hour and a half
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north of here so I'm going to I got these Lakes are that would normally 20 years ago Be Stiff Frozen I mean they
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would be so Frozen I like
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that and uh and that you know you'd be you'd be ice fishing at that time or close to it maybe not ice fishing but
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you be close to it well with bass season still being open back then bass season was open and the ice was over the lake
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so it was kind of useless cuz most guys wouldn't ice fish for bass they' ice fish for Walley whatever else they just didn't do that now man we are fishing
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bass right up to right up to the ice of way later in the year so it's changed
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you know it's changed our methodology it's it's helped us the guys that are doing it and learning more about cold
49:51
water fishing you know Waters in the 50s the 40s and then even in 39° water you
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know I me which never did before at that late so uh something else there it's uh
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it's changed the world for sure the fishing World Jim needless to say uh you totally engaged us with this question so
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I would like to submit of course my partner will have to agree I would like
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to submit that you get the $100 give a hell yeah high five Jimmy everybody
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that's that's a that's a good one that's that's a whole podcast right there boys we could go on and on or on about that
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to give him the thumbs up on and he's giving us a bunch of gimmies right now way we're going to go broke if we keep skipping these good questions like this
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program a very interesting subject that uh first uh made its way onto our uh
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table here a few months ago and we did a an episode where it was brought up and
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we were not aware of it 149 is that the one episode 149 I think correct that's
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the one making coarse fish cool with Tyler winter so if anybody wants to listen to that U and the subject was
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about uh Zebra muscles and one of the byproducts of zebra muscles that we're now discovering is an increased level of
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mercury uh within certain species of fish walleye and perch in particular uh
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so uh we brought on the person who can answer all of those questions that we had the head to answers uh her name is
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Dr Gretchen Hansen and she is assistant professor at the University of Minnesota
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uh welcome to the program Gretchen thanks for having me um first let me go
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you're a Fisher Fisheries ecologist is that what you would be called or what would your title be yeah that sounds
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right okay love I'm a I'm a professor at the University of Minnesota okay in
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Fisheries yeah first of all I have to ask you um are you do you fish at all
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like do you have a bested interest in this at all uh yeah I fish some I'm not as Avid
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of an angler as my husband or some other people uh but I grew up uh visiting
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Lakes my family has a cabin on a lake and kind of grew up loving lakes in the
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Northwoods so have a pretty vested interest in that nice and her husband's a lucky man imagine that if your wife
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wow that's a good deal right there and I'm assuming you um there was consumption involved of some of those
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fish for sure okay yes definitely all right just wanted to make sure that we understood that completely yeah Gretchen
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doesn't eat fish no no I'm a fish right by I wouldn't eat that stuff you kidding me no no I do I eat fish for sure good
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so the study that we're alluding to is um of course the fact that you and your
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team have discovered that uh areas that have high levels of zebra muscles and
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have walleye and perch for some strange reason that we're about to find out uh there's a high
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level of mercury content within that particular fish tell us about that start
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from from the top and and let us know can I ask a question right off the Hop can you explain Mercury first to us the
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Mercury that gets in these fish and then we'll go from there yes that's a tall order the uh the
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factors that influence how much mercury end up in fish are complicated and I'm not a chemist uh so I will try to
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explain it as fast I can so uh the Mercury that ends up in fish uh is influenced by lots of different things
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one of them is how much mercury is just on the landscape a lot of that comes from um it's deposited from the
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atmosphere from Human caused industry uh coal plants things like that um there's
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also natural sources of mercury on the landscape from the weathering of rocks and stuff like that uh and then so when
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it's on the land then it washes into the water various things about the Watershed influence how much of it kind of gets
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there into the lake and then once it's in the lake it has to be made into a form that is available for organisms to
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kind of assimilate into their bodies um that's called methyl Mercury that's the
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kind that is a neurotoxin to humans um and so there's a number of processes that influence how much of that mercury
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is kind of available for organisms to take up and then once it's in those
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organism like in insects or crayfish or little tiny things um then the fish eat
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them and it accumulates in their bodies over time okay at the end of the day
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we've always heard about you know the fear of mercury contamination in fish and consumption high levels of
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consumption um would be harmful to humans but what does it actually do to
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us how how does it manifest itself into this big ugly whatever it is if we
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consume too much mercury yeah so Mercury is a neurotoxin so it affects our brains um it is
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particularly problematic for developing brains like children um and unborn
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fetuses so uh there are again a large number of very smart people who uh do
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the work to say how much mercury can we consume and kind of avoid any negative problems um and those consumption
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advisories are stricter for kids and for women who might be of
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childbearing age than for right you know men and older people um so the real and
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it can affect uh adults too at high loads it can affect your brain function um but that's a pretty high level the uh
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bigger concern is for developing Brains it's always been around too I remember and like 40 years ago on Lake onario you
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used to hear of mercury and I it was a pcbs or something like that or something Mercury was the big thing was the big
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it's always been around so yeah so you're making it sound to us anyways
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that um adult males would be the least likely to be affected by high levels of
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Merc I just want to get this straight because I know we're going to get in dat with questions after this after this
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episode you probably have a lot of adult males in your exactly exactly so they're saying yes I'm okay yeah eat them up
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boys let's go uh I would say it's not that they are less likely to be affected it's just
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that the effects would happen at higher concentrations of mercury and again I I am not a human health expert uh but kind
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of the levels that are considered safe okay are higher for adult males than for
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kids or of child bage safe to assume then um in lakes that do not have Zebra
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muscles the likelihood of somebody being contaminated with Mercury by eating one
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of the fish in that body of water is much less than it would be in the lakes
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that you have studied with high levels of zebra muscles is that
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correct I don't know that I would go so far as to make that kind of blanket statement that if a lake doesn't have
59:45
Zebra muscles like don't worry about it um like I said there's lots of things that influence how much mercury gets
59:51
into fish right uh and we just and zebra muscles are one of them okay uh
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but uh like any study where you look at kind of patterns across the landscape it's not to say that every Lake that has
1:00:02
Zebra muscles has problematic Mercury and every Lake that doesn't have Ze muscles is fine um that's not the case
1:00:09
it's more of we see this pattern this trend they it tends to be higher in these leges that have Ze muscles and we
1:00:16
think we understand the pathway through which that's happening um so it's just another Factor that's influencing how
1:00:22
much the fish any other species other than Walley and perch that you studied or were they the basically yeah uh so
1:00:30
for this particular study that just got published we only looked at while in yellow perch we are doing quite a bit of
1:00:37
follow-up research because of the significance of these results to look at other species um and those results
1:00:44
suggest that things like northern pike are also wow influenced um so it's kind
1:00:50
of a systemwide change um that seems like it's playing out in other fish
1:00:55
species as well those were just the two that were the focus of oural all the good eating white
1:01:00
FL that sounds that way just when we thought it was okay and you know and we
1:01:05
have these discussions on a regular basis uh out in the field just when we thought that we had successfully
1:01:13
assimilated Zebra muscles into our world and we found a place for them and everything was just nice nice and now
1:01:19
all of a sudden we find out uhoh maybe not don't step on that thin ice yet
1:01:25
greten explain the effects of the Zebra muscles with the Mercury when what there's a process
1:01:31
that happens there something happens right what goes on yeah uh so like I
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said before there's all these different processes happening in the lake um one of the things so we think Zebra muscles
1:01:42
have kind of a onew punch of how they're affecting mercury and fish so number one
1:01:48
Zebra muscles when they're at high densities they form like mats on the bottom of the lake right dense mats
1:01:54
there's a bunch of algae growing on that um underneath that there's no oxygen in
1:01:59
the sediment and those are the conditions that lead to Mercury being made into its bioavailable form so the
1:02:07
methyl Mercury the kind that can be taken up by organisms so anoxic cimin
1:02:12
means more Mercury is let's say released from its inaccessible form into this accessible form um and then taken up by
1:02:20
things like insects bugs whatever little Little Critters living on the bottom um
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and then at the same time Zebra muscles are kind of sucking a lot of the energy out of the water and concentrating it on
1:02:34
the bottom and kind of near shore zone of lakes and so fish tend to eat in that area more uh than they would in lakes
1:02:41
that don't have zra muscles so they're they're kind of simultaneously making more Mercury available and kind of
1:02:48
drawing in fish to eat in that place where there's lots of mercury available wow wow so without that's crazy without
1:02:55
that carpet that we now are finding out Zebra muscles are responsible for the Mercury
1:03:03
is kind of lays dormant in the Bedrock or in that sediment or wherever it lives
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uh and it's perfectly fine we we we coexist with it the fish coexist with it
1:03:14
Etc but the minute we put a carpet on them cut out oxygen bacteria grows and
1:03:21
that's when we have a problem that's right yeah bacteria that make it available live in those anoxic sediments
1:03:28
but then so but the process would be if if none of the little fish insects
1:03:34
whatever if they never touched into that layer the bigger fish wouldn't be
1:03:39
affected would they because they're lifting It Up From The Bottom correct if they're eating it and then the bigger fish are eating those fish is that the way it
1:03:45
works yeah that's kind of the simple yeah okay yeah now we have found
1:03:52
ourselves numerous times in shallow water environments where we see kind of a
1:03:59
sludgy you know bottom cover scum scum we call it scum would that have the same
1:04:07
effect as what the Zebra muscles are doing in deeper water uh yeah and the Zebra muscles can
1:04:12
be in that near shore Zone too for sure um yeah I think um I mean anything that
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makes the sediments not have oxygen in them so some kind of scum where there'd be non o
1:04:25
sediments underneath it could result in like the Mercury being released uh but
1:04:31
that maybe wouldn't have the effect of like drawing things in to eat there in the same way that Z muscles do right
1:04:38
because our tendency is to not we get away from those Waters no matter what when we're fishing hands we go well if we're throwing a jig or something I'm
1:04:45
not throwing a jig in that stuff fish can't even see it sort like that we get R away from those zones but now this was
1:04:52
not isolated to you know just one or two bodies of water in fact the study um you
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studied 21 lakes in Minnesota area yep
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and about approximately half of them had Ze muscles and half did not so we did
1:05:08
try to do sort of a paired study we didn't have we weren't like tracking Lakes over time of oh here's what
1:05:13
happened after Zebra muscles got in um we did it more of a comparison of here's lakes that have Zebra muscles here like
1:05:20
that don't um and saw higher mercury in the leges that did have all the leges had Mery to an extent oh yeah yeah
1:05:29
okay and so the study proved without a shadow of a doubt that where you have
1:05:35
Zebra muscles where you have water and Mercury the Zebra muscles contributed to
1:05:42
a higher level of mercury content within no species in those bodies of water versus bodies of water that do not have
1:05:50
Zebra muscles but have mercury yeah so like a good scientist I
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I don't know that I would ever say anything without a shadow of a doubt but um so we we what I can say is we did
1:06:05
measure higher mercury in the lakes that had Zebra muscles in them compared to those that didn't uh but that said there
1:06:12
were there was variability among the Lakes we had some Lakes without Zebra muscles that had quite High mercury in
1:06:18
their in their fish um and that's true in Ontario and kind of everywhere there
1:06:23
are places that do have quite really High Mercury um and we had some lakes with zebra muscles where it wasn't that
1:06:29
high it's more of just like on average lakes with zebra muscles had higher Mercury okay those lakes that so a lake
1:06:36
that doesn't have Zebra muscles high in in Mercury and the fish have high mercury levels means that the bait fish
1:06:43
and the whole ecosystem zup plankin is all taking in that mercury I'm assuming and then it's just going up through the
1:06:48
food chain is that correct that's right yeah and so uh fish that are higher on the food chain like a big Walley or
1:06:55
Northern bike and just in general have higher Mercury and other contaminants because it accumulates in their bodies
1:07:02
right uh over time um and then we can also talk about if you want there was there's a very strong effect of the size
1:07:09
and age of the fish so older bigger fish have more again because they just have more time to accumulate it in their
1:07:15
muscle um smaller younger fish or fish that feed lower on tropic levels are um
1:07:21
less contaminated H and does this the Mercury that gets into an older fish if
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would it ever recede a bit or is it just keep going stays and gets higher and higher and never drops down the levels
1:07:34
yeah it we say bio accumulates over time um just kind of builds up in the in the
1:07:39
muscle tissue as they get older wow so you found the problem you found
1:07:45
the uh the net results of the problem is there a solution is there something you guys maybe are looking at as a possible
1:07:52
solution cuz you know I don't know about your area but Zebra muscles are are
1:07:57
pretty much throughout the southern part of this province and in all of our Watershed so this could become a serious
1:08:05
issue are there plans or are there studies going on now as to what can be
1:08:11
done can we clean that that coating off the bottom I don't know is is that even
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possible yeah that's a that's a good question um I think from an invasive
1:08:23
species perspective you kind of uded to this earlier we this is kind of an unexpected or a new impact of a species
1:08:32
that's been around in this area for you know several decades uh and
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so I think it points to just the need for prevention and just don't assume we
1:08:43
understand how these like new ecosystems are going to operate um when you have
1:08:48
multiple stressers interacting like invasive species and you know contaminants on the landscape they come
1:08:53
together in a way that maybe we didn't expect uh in advance so just kind of
1:08:59
speaks to the importance of trying to prevent in invasive species from spreading around uh in terms of like
1:09:05
mitigating like get it out getting it out I don't I don't have any solution for that like you said Mercury's been
1:09:10
around for a long time and it's been a human health concern for a long time um and we have done as a society quite a
1:09:16
bit of work to reduce how much of it is being deposited out on the landscape by
1:09:22
you know regulating industry and things like that um so I would say keep doing
1:09:28
that uh but that there can also be these kind of unexpected interactions happening within Lakes do you have
1:09:34
Gretchen does U do you have any idea I know the Great Lakes obviously everybody knows Zebra muscles in there but in
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Minnesota for instance is there a percentage of Inland Lakes that have Zebra muscles versus don't is do you
1:09:45
have a grasp on that yes great question uh so uh what we have found in Minnesota at
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least it's about 2% of lakes total but Minnesota has a lot of lakes not as many as Ontario um right uh Minnesota has a
1:10:00
lot of lakes it's about 2% but if you look at lakes that have Walley in them and are managed for Walley um it's about
1:10:07
16% so they're disproportionately invading lakes that have Walley and are managed for Walley and where people fish
1:10:14
for Walley wow and it's going up we're still on the kind of exponential growth
1:10:19
right and that be I wonder if that's the the the non-clean boats going from bad
1:10:25
water to bad water introducing them you know I mean walleye guys there's walleye in that like let's go over there next and they don't clean the boats off it
1:10:31
could be something like that right yeah I mean it's not too surprising to me that the Walley Lakes are the most
1:10:36
invaded they're just the most popular lakes that people want to go to the most exactly exactly do zebra muscles uh is
1:10:44
there something that we can pattern with them do they like certain things will they be prone to hang out in this part
1:10:52
of a lake as opposed to that part of a lake or even a lake to Lake like like
1:10:57
that Lake and I do like that Lake well lake to Lake it's once they're in they're in but I'm thinking even within a body of water is there an area that
1:11:05
where do they Thrive best they hang out more than others yeah they tend to be in
1:11:11
sort of the near shorish Zone I mean not in the super deep bottom Waters but
1:11:18
around like the perimeter of the lake right um and there are differences Lake
1:11:23
to Lake too there are some you know there needs to enough Calum and it's got to be the right temperature and all that stuff for them to survive and I think
1:11:30
we're still trying to work out like why in some places they get in and they actually don't get to really high
1:11:35
numbers they just kind of interesting hang out in the background for a while um and so we're still interested in
1:11:41
figuring that out why what is it about those leges right that they don't explode into high numbers right that'd be great if you could figure something
1:11:48
out that you could introduce him to the other leg somehow it was you know wasn't going to be damaging but the is it the kaga muscle that lives in the deeper
1:11:54
stuff that's the one yeah so those are in the Great Lakes and and colonize much
1:11:59
deeper into the are they in any smaller Lakes yet any Inland Lakes do you know
1:12:05
not in Minnesota I think there's maybe one or two Inland Lakes in Michigan like right off like Michigan where they are
1:12:12
but they haven't really spread um okay but interestingly I don't know if you are interested in this but uh this study
1:12:18
on Mercury was really inspired by studies in the Great Lakes uh that showed this effect of particularly quag
1:12:26
muscles um doing the same thing of increasing Mercury concentrations in lake trout over time uh despite you know
1:12:34
lower lower uh inputs and lower deposition uh we see Lake child Mercury
1:12:39
going up and they've linked it to qua and fever muscles in the Great Lakes concern now should be
1:12:48
um the consumption levels BEC the reason I say that is I I think as far as I know
1:12:55
there the commercial harvesting of walleye and perch for that matter um
1:13:01
predominantly is in the Great Lakes and its tributaries you know we don't have a commercial fishery from the great white
1:13:08
North uh all of our commercial fishery is done from Great Lakes and near Great
1:13:15
Lakes so I would be very concerned now hearing this about the levels of and and we
1:13:23
don't test for Mercury right as as as a to my knowledge anyways the um
1:13:31
consumption segment of our society that harvests fish and puts them on the Shelf
1:13:36
they they they they have to adhere to certain rules and regulations in terms of where it's caught and and how it's
1:13:42
treated and how it's packaged and accuracy in size and weight and description and all that I don't think
1:13:48
they do any testing for mercury levels and for example the walleye that I'm currently purchasing
1:13:55
right at uh yeah wherever that's coming from if it's coming from nobody's measuring most lakes have mercury she
1:14:02
was saying gret was saying so this should be interesting to find out like the U good I think a good example would
1:14:07
be Lake Erie for Walley and perch the two biggest uh food fish they have there
1:14:13
I don't know what between US and Canada how how many fish per year are sold to
1:14:19
the public and yeah billions of tons I bet you wow yeah so I'm not as familiar
1:14:26
with Ontario but I'm actually just looking it up right now so in Minnesota we do test I commercial Fisheries are a
1:14:32
different beast but a lot of people harvest their own fish through right you know recreational angling right uh so in
1:14:39
Minnesota we do test quite a large number of fish every year and issue Lake
1:14:45
specific consumption advisories um I am nearly certain that Ontario would do the
1:14:50
same thing um for recreational Anglers right people who are harvesting but the
1:14:55
bulk of the population that consumes Walley for example or Piel as some
1:15:01
people call it up here they probably have no connection to angling and they're just it's a
1:15:07
consumable right buy in store buy it in a store and it's become so popular as of late in the mainstream uh we'll call
1:15:16
them big box grocery stores to have walleye uh every day I'm just wondering
1:15:22
how many people they have no idea they're just consuming the stuff because it's not measured at that point there's
1:15:29
no information going to the average consumer about the mercury levels um
1:15:35
this might open this might open some eyes i' also like to know sorry Gretchen I just want to say I'd also like to know
1:15:40
on Gretchen's point where she says that the Minnesota has some kind of a
1:15:45
directory or something that tells people how much but do do we yes what what do we have oh the consump the Ontario
1:15:53
sport there's a website now okay what I'm saying boys is that really the
1:15:59
average angler doesn't know anything about that there needs to be more average angler is more apt to get
1:16:05
informed right as they hear programs the average the Aver they have no idea about
1:16:11
Mercury they can't they're like me they can't spell mercury wow you know what I mean you don't really you know what I
1:16:16
mean you're not thinking that you're thinking oh my God I got my limit of Walley here and I'm taking them home and I'm eating them no matter what I'm not
1:16:22
as worried about that guy I'm more worried now about just the average
1:16:28
household that consumes fish on a regular basis there's no mercury levels that really pushed in front of everybody
1:16:34
anybody really not pushed it get it's hidden in the background you know what I mean some you have to look it up that's
1:16:40
kind of scary too there's no disclaimer on on at the grocery store level on
1:16:46
filets of fish buy over your limit you know what well there is that too right
1:16:52
but there's no disclaimer saying that if you are uh a mother or expecting or child or
1:16:58
whatever do not consume or there's nothing on packaging nothing at all yeah
1:17:05
yeah I mean it is kind of put on the consumer like so many foods right um to
1:17:10
know what's safe and what's not for different levels there are quite a few guides for I mean this is not unique to
1:17:16
Walley by any means there are a number of contaminant issues in a lot of fish that you can buy in the store at a
1:17:22
restaurant um there are some like pretty slick Guides of just sort of rules of
1:17:28
thumb of you know if you're a woman who might become pregnant you know don't eat swordfish kind of thing because they're
1:17:34
super high in contaminantes um and then kind of which fish are more safe like how many meals a month to eat for
1:17:40
different types of fish but that is put on the consumer to educate themselves and learn about that for sure yeah the
1:17:46
consumer is the same as the angler in our case right you would be if you didn't go catchfish you'd say you really
1:17:52
need to go to that guide and say okay and then you have to to find out where these fish were caught in order to know it's such a process and they're less apt
1:18:00
to be into that than an angler an angler hard figure out you know where it came from number one right that's the big one
1:18:06
but get a wal in L you don't know where that came from so wow that's crazy
1:18:11
greton give us give the audience the numbers uh the mercury levels in in Walley and in perch those percentages
1:18:18
that you had uh written down here because that's pretty uh astonishing too kind alarming
1:18:24
uh the percent increase or the yeah the higher Mercury concentrations it's
1:18:30
written on our scripts I don't know if that was Dean stuff or your stuff or was that was that ours D yeah yeah yeah so
1:18:35
we we found that in adult walleye um Mercury was 72% higher in lakes with
1:18:41
zebra muscles compared to Lakes without and in perch it was 157% higher that's huge 157% higher like
1:18:49
wow yeah is there zebra muscle uh lak Simco there Zebra muscles yeah I think
1:18:55
so oh I think so can you imagine the amount of perch that's consumed every
1:19:01
year big ones everybody gets the big ones they're getting them right now wow yeah wow yeah that's scary but even you
1:19:10
know what now we've seen and andine we've seen that invasion of zebras
1:19:16
moving into the korthas at a ridiculous level what about you know all the Walley and and maybe Sunfish I mean people the
1:19:23
the Americans that come up the bluegill all the time and all that stuff I wonder how much in those legs it's going it's all connected I'm assuming that that's
1:19:30
exactly what we're talking about here the quartes that whole train system everything north of Lake
1:19:36
Ontario drains yeah you go to a lock system I'm sure gr seen this you go to a
1:19:41
lock system and those those big concrete walls are literally covered with you can't see concrete you see um algae and
1:19:49
you see zebras that's that's it for you know for as far as you can see it's in it's insane how much there is so or how
1:19:56
many there are whatever you want to say it so interesting so you've caused the problem now you see this
1:20:04
huh blame the messenger I did I did look you do have
1:20:11
you being your Province does have like quite a nice map and place where people can look for specific consumption
1:20:17
advisories yeah uh maybe you'll want to link to that looks like they've got 2,000 plus likes on there that they've
1:20:23
tested so so link that in our link that in our uh little YouTube there you know
1:20:28
will perfect that's interesting perfect uh where's the study going are you um
1:20:34
are you at the end of it you branching off into something else yeah I mean the thing with science
1:20:42
and especially science in the real world it's the good and the bad is every time we answer one question we get a thousand
1:20:49
more to to pursue so yeah we're continuing to research this um looking
1:20:54
to see like I said if we observe these effects on other species of fish um in
1:21:00
more than just these 21 legs that we studied we're looking kind of Statewide and region wide in uh Minnesota
1:21:07
Wisconsin Michigan um to see how widespread this is and if there are you
1:21:12
know certain factors that make it more likely that liever muscles are going to cause this increase in certain places or
1:21:18
not so just summing up then so that we have it completely straight the problem is is with the
1:21:25
zebra muscle is the sheer numbers um they kind of overwhelm the
1:21:32
environment that they live in uh with either byproduct the waste material
1:21:37
whatever they're they're putting out it's coating the bottom of the waterways that they are prevalent
1:21:45
in and that is what's causing the problem right if the if the zebra muscle was not as um numerous for example
1:21:54
example we wouldn't have an issue right it's just that there's so much of it the the yeah okay so this could happen this
1:22:02
could happen with something else too then right I mean it doesn't have to be just Zebra muscles any place where
1:22:08
you've got too much of of something um we mentioned quag there's
1:22:14
probably other other possibilities here where you're actually putting a layer of
1:22:19
scum or whatever you want to call it on the bottom that's what is causing the
1:22:25
issue yeah any um anything that alters the ecosystem in that way at those High
1:22:30
densities could have this kind of unexpected effect and there are other invasive species that um don't do this
1:22:37
thing on the bottom but um create a new like insert themselves in the food chain
1:22:43
if you will so like create a new level in a food chain yes like spiny water flea is one um and anything that does
1:22:50
that can also increase contaminants in higher levels of fish so you add a step in the food chain it that further
1:22:58
increases contaminants in fish so that's just another example of ways that invasive species can affect this what
1:23:05
what about this might be silly silly to say but what about different weed types like mil foil cabbage ctail is is
1:23:13
mercury more prevalent in any certain weed type like that it just sort of absorbs into it more than
1:23:19
others I don't know that absorbs into it I I will just say anecdotally so one of
1:23:24
the Lakes in our study that did not have Zebra muscles it does have a plant called star ston wart which is an
1:23:30
invasive plant and again forms these kind of mats on the bottom right um and
1:23:35
that Lake had very high Mercury despite not having Liber muscles in it so that's another area we interested in is are
1:23:41
these other things that are kind of forming these mats on the bottom having a similar effect that maybe we weren't
1:23:46
aware of before crazy crazy um Can folks get more
1:23:52
information through you and or your group on uh arming themselves with with
1:23:59
this obviously new found knowledge yeah we can link to the paper
1:24:05
if anybody really wants to dive in uh We've also got some like fact sheets and like a project page that explains some
1:24:12
of the results um and yeah folks can get in touch if they want W I think it's
1:24:17
interesting stuff we all we should know I mean most people should really I don't know we can do anything about it but uh
1:24:23
I guess with your consumption is what we can do consumption more catching release than eating I guess nowadays but I'd be
1:24:28
more interested in finding out about the commercial yeah uh product that's being put on the shelves people consuming it
1:24:35
that don't even fish they have no idea what that some of them are probably buying it don't even know what it is they're eating let's be honest about it
1:24:42
you know yeah that could be with anything like that's with you do right by right any kind of meat you you don't know what the contaminants are in it I
1:24:48
feel confident that the meat industry is controlling somewhat they they they do sample product on a regular basis
1:24:54
um for various you know certainly from bacteria standpoint and all that I just
1:25:00
I don't think right when greton said like swordfish and and fish like that that you're buying too who knows there
1:25:06
might be no warnings whatsoever I'm going to uh turn vegan just like our good friend
1:25:12
there he's not vegan he's vegetarian vegetarian all right all right gret have you ever been to
1:25:19
Nebraska yes there's there's a significance to that what Gretchen goes to Nebraska
1:25:25
what's this you never heard that eh no it's from a band called it's an album called from King Z Rock Band just your
1:25:31
your name really reminded me of Gretchen goes to Nebraska now you have to listen to it now gret listen to it it's it's a
1:25:36
pretty good album I have to say uh Dr Hanson thank you very much for joining us we appreciate it uh if you if
1:25:44
you get some new information for us uh please let us know we'll reach out to you as well from time to time find out
1:25:49
how the study is going and uh in a perfect world uh maybe maybe this will
1:25:54
lead to some solutions because um aside from the
1:26:00
initial few years when zebra muscles first invaded this part of the world and
1:26:05
the sky was falling it seems like we've kind of laid back now and accepted that they're here and assimilated them into
1:26:12
this even the food chain right and and just accepted them but now we're finding out that maybe that wasn't the right
1:26:18
thing to do and we maybe should have been a little more Vigilant at the time uh although I think it was a losing
1:26:24
battle once they got into the Great Lakes like it was done right so but uh
1:26:29
thank you for shedding some light on the situation we appreciate it yeah thanks for thanks for having me
1:26:35
our pleasure awesome thanks Gretchen Dr Gretchen Hensen uh from Minnesota I was going to
1:26:41
say Minneapolis uh Minnesota last time I was there uh Dale Menon in the live bait
1:26:47
band I was visiting them remember them I remember that they
1:26:53
did an album U what's it called they didn't do our our tune right our fishing
1:27:00
Canada T we were working on it and then and then I can't remember what happened but like everything else we just got
1:27:05
going a million miles an hour but but we went down and we actually shot a uh
1:27:10
music video for them in their Studio aren't you the Jack of all trades it was great it was great
1:27:18
Dale met and live bait man but the album I remember the cover I remember some kind of artwork with that great
1:27:24
and that was in Minneapolis Minneapolis the only time I've ever been was there for three four days I believe wonderful
1:27:31
City Minnesota is a very very good state for like a very strong state for fishing
1:27:36
and hunting for their natural resources people that don't realize it that it's it's it's huge you know like Gretchen
1:27:43
said Ontario has more Lakes but I'll tell you what the resource is there and the Anglers and Hunters they're hardcore
1:27:49
they're just like everybody like us they're just they love it they have it and they and they go for it so any it's
1:27:55
it's an interesting study if nothing else uh you should inform yourselves on what's going on with the product that
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you're consuming uh not to say it's the end of the world or by any means but certainly
1:28:06
another reason for it I I go catch walleye on dequin all the time and I don't I eat a lot of them like I mean
1:28:12
not a lot but I I eat let's just say a lot of what I catch I eat if it's in that eating range that I want I bring
1:28:18
them home and eat them you know I'm not worried about that I'm not worried about that because it's still relatively
1:28:25
limited right Limited in that you got to go and you got to catch it and then you got to bring it home and you got to
1:28:30
clean it and you're not going to be doing it every day but they might have a higher level than the ones you're buying too who knows well no but the ones that
1:28:36
I'm buying are coming from contaminated bodies of water well they aquin's not it's Lake Ontario right but I can go
1:28:42
there any day and buy it right you've got to get in your vehicle you got to call your buddies you got to drive up
1:28:48
there you how much are you e how much are you buying it how of I told after today before today
1:28:54
how many were you buying I told you for a while I thought you know what because of the diet I'm on thought wow this is
1:29:00
fantastic you know I can just go and into the grocery store and buy it it tastes F really good I mean so why don't
1:29:07
I eat it like two or three times a week this think why don't you find out some place where that sells wall that is min
1:29:15
uh Manitoba or something like that Manitoba Walle maybe these legs aren't contaminated and then you could go out
1:29:21
100% if you wanted maybe be the solution to me if you want to keep on it you got to find out where it's getting I guess
1:29:27
but that's going to be hard on its own how maybe you can order it maybe you can get it shipped to your house Frozen I'll
1:29:32
get it shipped I'll call it's probably on Amazon box of Manitoba walleye to your
1:29:37
house I like it drug free drug free I don't know why we're laughing
1:29:43
making a drug this is serious this is serious I'm concerned about this but anyways uh it's a good thing to uh to be
1:29:51
at least aware of some of these issues and that's why we thought we would bring uh Dr H matter you and I anyways men
1:29:58
know they don't they don't give a about men in this study right you guys go go for it boys we're going to yeah
1:30:04
women children first I question that too well I don't I mean you think about it with women of BU it's all about the
1:30:11
children really the child bearing age so it's all about the Chillin so all right that's it for the Utes I
1:30:19
don't know why we think it's a serious issue and now because you got to have fun but we got end in some fun on a fun
1:30:25
note you know uh speaking of fun if you don't go to fishing canada.com and enter
1:30:31
in the contest the current giveaway that's there now you're not having fun at all come on now that's what I got to
1:30:37
tell you yeah giving away all kinds of goodies uh you can go it's free of charge all you have to do is take the
1:30:43
time to go in and actually put in a ballot I I want to remind folks about uh
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our good friends speaking about the uh giveaways our good friends at J&B cycle
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and Marine who are Partners in the giveaways some of the giveaways now that you see on on the site uh they help us
1:31:02
throughout the course of the year they are Ontario's largest Princecraft Mercury dealer give me a hell yeah hell
1:31:08
yeah I guess so J&B cycle you they've got a great online presence as well you
1:31:14
can buy all kinds of goodies but uh really uh the thing that makes some extraordinary are the wonderful boat
1:31:20
motor trailer packages all ready to go just add gas and off you go I just got a I just sent him Robo an email the other
1:31:26
day actually get him involved in in a possible shoot up in the Timmons area this year hell out of here anything you
1:31:32
could share with with well yeah Rob hasn't got back to me yet come on Rob it's m up so but I think he's working on
1:31:39
it all right thank you very much for joining us on behalf of the entire Outdoor Journal uh hey they shouldn't forget you should we should throw out to
1:31:45
the websites and the socials and the YouTube you know what I mean there's fishing can there's only so much carrying I can do I get tired at my
1:31:53
fishing Canada official is Instagram uh fishing Canada Facebook and of course
1:31:59
the YouTube which is where we really like to push a lot of people to and make some comments please give us some
1:32:05
questions some comments comment on this show comment about mercury levels comment about J&B cycle we don't care just give us something and as we saw
1:32:11
earlier on in this program you could get $100 worth of uh gift coupon just by
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submitting one of these questions damn yeah and there's a lot to do with subscribing on our YouTube channel for
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that to come on now it helps a lot is that it are we done can I close it off or you still got something else you I
1:32:30
need a beer you need a beer in a walleye FL give me hell walleye sandwich and a beer yeah uh thanks everybody on behalf
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