Jay Siemens Interview - Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast

Name: Jay Siemens Interview - Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast | Open Video
Uploaded: 2025-03-24T18:07:41+00:00
Duration: 1 h 5 min

0:00
all righty now our special guest for the day uh actually but i i shouldn't say
0:05
actually because that would sound rude but i've been really looking forward to speaking to him uh his name is jay
0:10
siemens and he is an intriguing young man because he's basically done his
0:17
um fishing fame he's got his fishing fame from a
0:23
totally different area than pete and i have kind of the same but kind of different same but different it's the
0:28
modernized version of us old uh turds is what it is easy though well you know uh how you doing jay
0:35
i'm good thanks for having me guys oh our pleasure pleasure buddy pleasure this this is an honor for me because i
0:41
was like just doing a little research on your show because i've been i've been watching your show that's what i grew up watching was you and azumi and stuff and
0:48
i was like i mean just just for some reference i was born in in 92 and you guys started
0:53
making shows in 96 so it's like as long as i've been alive i've been i've been watching your stuff but this
0:58
this is a this is cool for me well if you if it's 92 that you were born we started making shows in 86. not nice
1:06
i just i just saw the 25 i saw 96 when i when i did some googling okay jay you're
1:11
probably typical of uh uh when we go to a sportsman's show or they say yeah i've been watching you since i was a kid and
1:18
it's a 40 year old guy or a 50 year old guy and he said that to us so that's what we get all the time oh god or actually the i love
1:26
when i see three generations of viewers in front of us you know you got grandpa dad and son and it is so gratifying it's
1:34
just absolutely we're absolutely so fortunate but you know we did it in a totally different way than you did it
1:40
and i'm looking at yeah and i'm looking at you guys now and saying wow like that's the deal man i mean that's
1:46
the way i wish we had had the opportunity back then to start that way because you know what
1:52
i love about what you are doing um is you number one you have no boundaries you have no no
1:58
no walls that you have to kind of stay in it allows you to be as creative as you possibly want to be on those
2:04
particular episodes and it it's just i don't know it's it seems like such a
2:11
wonderfully free way to do this to the audience just to let everybody know i'm not going to interrupt jay here but it's what ange is
2:17
saying there and there no boundaries in television obviously we have a a half hour show which is 20 minutes and that's
2:23
it you know 20 something minutes at most and sometimes not even that um language barriers it's not not like we
2:30
wish we could swear every minute of every day on it or something like that but if you blurbed one out or whatever it
2:35
wouldn't matter what the hell right it's gonna happen so there's a lot of um yeah but and then the uh and then maybe
2:41
the i don't know if the qualities would be that much different with jay because i mean the he shoots on good equipment
2:47
like same equipment we shoot on i don't know if they're if the destination know where it goes up on the air is the same as not but yes it's different for sure
2:54
so yeah jay tell us tell us now your version of what we just said
2:59
yeah well i mean i think that the most interesting thing from you know when i got into it you know i've been doing the
3:06
youtube thing i guess for 10 years because i filmed for uh for aaron weaver uncut angling and when we started doing
3:11
the youtube thing there wasn't there's not that barrier to entry that you have for tv like i was
3:17
i was uh chatting with don lamont who's done who did shows back in the day out of winnipeg and he said to to film a
3:23
show you would need uh first off you're filming on film which most people my don't even know what film
3:29
is and your camera your camera is 100 grand you need to get an editing suite
3:34
that can edit this film you need to sell commercial time like there's there's so many things now that
3:40
that people my age and younger don't understand because now anyone can buy a camera or even use
3:46
their phone and you can just upload it to youtube it's free there's no you don't need to buy the airtime you don't
3:51
need this like youtube also puts ads in there for you so if you click a button and says monetize youtube puts the ads
3:58
in for you and that's like yeah it's a very different thing because we wish
4:03
it's crazy let the audience know uh and jay you probably know this by talking to don but
4:08
air time can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars like it is that expensive
4:14
people don't realize that one either versus youtube which would be i'm assuming what you said there it could be zero dollars as long as you get them to
4:19
put the ads in too right so yeah and and i think i think the one positive to to when you guys started
4:26
making shows is there wasn't the same competition because you needed to have that level of
4:32
investment at the start so that's why you know there's those core five to ten canadian fishing shows
4:37
and now there's new youtube channels popping up every day like every day i find ones that are
4:43
not just new but they're good there's like really good talent that people are catching big fish they're entertaining and
4:48
anyone can do it now which makes it a lot more competitive for for someone like me trying to you know trying to
4:54
make my living doing it right absolutely i i i'll ask you the question i get asked you oh i would say 99.9 of the
5:01
time we do live events um and that is how did you start in the business i know how i started how did you start
5:08
oh man well so i i guided at a couple different lodges in northern manitoba northern saskatchewan
5:14
and kind of in that same time i uh i just got into photography and i was guiding throughout high school and
5:21
i didn't know what i wanted to do after high school and i was i was ready to just become a fish bum and like guide in
5:26
the summer and ice fish the rest of the winter and i i got into photography and i was like well i should go to photography
5:32
school even if i don't pursue it as a career it's something that is a cool skill to have and i like taking pictures
5:39
and uh i was ready to go i was 18 i was ready to go to photography school and uh my good friend aaron webb this
5:46
was this was three days before school supposed to start we're on a muskie trip it's like my last hurrah before school starts tonight i become an adult going
5:52
to university and aaron and i are musky fishing on lake of the woods the day ends and he pulls out
5:58
his laptop and he's like i want to show you something and he had two pilot episodes filmed for the show it didn't
6:03
have a name but he's like this is what i've been working on he said you know i got some support do you want to do you just want to pull the pin on
6:09
school and and come film this fishing show with me i love it and oh god yeah so
6:16
i mean that that moment right there is like okay three days for school is supposed to start my parents had you know helped me with my first year of
6:22
college and helped me get an apartment in the city and everything and i remember calling them up and i'm like mom dad like
6:28
i really look up to aaron i think he's really talented and i'm like it had always been my dream to be a part of a fishing show in one form or another
6:34
i didn't have any video experience had a little bit of photo experience and and my parents were just like you know
6:40
what school's always going to be there i think you should uh you should take this opportunity oh that's awesome and go
6:45
film with aaron my parents they were so supportive and that was that was 2011
6:51
and aaron and i hit the road that fall and we're living in the truck living at random hotels and resorts
6:58
and i just remember us making the first video uh in some random hotel in eastern
7:03
manitoba and aaron uploaded it to youtube and i mean 2011 youtube was
7:09
it was it was different there wasn't really as much going on there there wasn't like nearly as much phishing content i remember uploading that first
7:14
video and the next day it had 500 views and aaron and i were just like how is this how did
7:21
500 people watch this video i can't believe this right it was it was a different time right because
7:27
yeah people were starting to draw more to youtube and yeah so that's kind of uh how we got to start and then aaron and i
7:34
you know we dabbled with tv a bit i was just i was just just for context i was just camera man i was i was rarely in
7:39
front of the front of the camera typically behind and um so we did that for a number of
7:44
years i kind of you know built up my own built up my own production company on the side um
7:50
and then i mean you guys know filming filming fishing that it's it's really tough to schedule out
7:56
um depending on whether depending on the bite depending on you know water conditions on where you're at if
8:01
you're fishing a river or something so it it was so tough for me and aaron to to coordinate schedules and it came to
8:07
the point where aaron's skills had gotten to where he was going to just kind of self-film and that's
8:13
kind of where a lot of you know youtubers have gone is they'll go sell film because
8:20
it's it's one less thing it's one less uh you know overhead expense if you don't have to pay for cameraman you know
8:25
well let me ask you now because you've done both yep in terms of overall product
8:32
what do you think is better self filming or having a really good cameraman
8:37
i think having a really good cameraman will will trump self-filming the thing about self-filming let's say you know a
8:43
guy like aaron going out is he will fish harder than anybody i know and eventually you're going to burn out
8:48
that cameraman or you know you have to make a decision split second right there's there's times
8:53
where aaron called me and he's like hey i just saw the biggest musky i've ever seen on lake of the woods can you be at
8:59
lake of the woods in four hours so i remember driving through the night and getting there at five in the morning to the boat launch and we filmed it's like
9:05
that worked because i was 19 years old and had nothing going on but like aaron could have just gone and filmed it
9:10
himself right so i think there's moments you can capture when you have the flexibility of filming yourself and
9:15
you're not dealing with someone else's schedule so i think there's you capture some cool stuff but i mean from a production standpoint you know
9:23
having someone monitoring your audio all the time having someone just you know checking camera swapping batteries it allows the angler to focus on fishing
9:30
and you know everybody wants wants the big fish at the end of the day right so and you know i think that's the big
9:36
difference right there listening to to what you're saying now it all sort of comes back and makes sense
9:42
because to me um doing it the way we did it there were there were so many more responsibilities
9:48
that pete and i had aside from aside from finding fish and catching fish
9:54
right because oh yeah you we had the with the the business part we had the the the uh
10:00
being able to acquire those images and and getting on tape and and the editing part and all that so but now but now
10:08
listening to you even the guys like yourself that are self-filming
10:13
you're doing that constantly anyways when you think about it right oh god you got to worry about batteries you got to
10:19
worry about it's like twice as hard exactly because now it's just not just the fishing which is a hard part if
10:25
everybody hasn't noticed that it's hard so maybe you guys don't have it so good because i've been saying to pete boy
10:30
those guys have got it made but i don't know stick a couple of tripods on the gunnels and let's go
10:36
exactly and that's that's the that's the constant battle it's like how complicated
10:41
does a person make it and and yeah there's times where i do have i do have uh
10:46
brandon who does shooting and editing for me and when he comes on trips it's a reminder
10:52
you know how i can focus on fishing when i'm not when i'm not filming but it's the same thing it's like i don't know if
10:58
i would have been able to start a career uh in youtube if i had to hire a cameraman full time right away like
11:04
um in the last i would say two and a half years i guess i've been doing my own channel for four years only in
11:09
probably the last two two and a half years i've been able to offload the editing work before i was doing you know
11:15
the editing myself too so i come back from a trip and it's like so i mean i i think that's what scares
11:21
people away from from the youtube thing a little bit because have you guys done your own editing angelo has i uh for the
11:27
first uh i'm gonna not the first because the first two years uh we had an editor and then we lost him yeah and it was at the
11:35
last moment so i jumped right in and took over the editing process as well so
11:40
you know you know like yeah for every for every day of fishing it's like a day of editing right i'm not sure what you
11:45
would say it took but at least more than that back you gotta remember this uh jay back
11:50
in that day he was using scotch tape to hold the cut cut had real tape together so they could put it i was
11:56
like i was insane i was spending uh back in those days
12:02
easily without even questioning it at least at least five days a week to do a
12:07
show i have so much appreciation for that yeah like that yeah and that was you know long days
12:15
all night uh you know during the deadline periods all night long it was a tough oh yeah it was insane and
12:21
something else that the jay brought up in the audience probably doesn't even realize this and it's we're
12:26
working on a parallel here it's that these cameramen they don't expect the days that we put out like when we go out
12:31
on the wall just a fun fishing day on the water is a full day my kids won't come up with me because i go dad you fish too long you know you fish too hard
12:37
so you know so but you get a cameraman out there and he has to do it for three or four or five days in a row and you're going from sun up to sun down et cetera
12:45
you're burning these guys out and they just they don't nobody expects that they might think it's a dream job to sit in a boat and
12:51
shoot a tv show but it's it's hard work and it's long hours for these guys well it's funny you say that too we got two
12:56
guys on the other end of the board right now who both have some experience in what we
13:02
do because jordan jordan that's right uh jordan has been out uh for at least
13:09
one season maybe two seasons yeah he was over there uh so and and and he's not a big fan of it right we have another guy
13:17
on the other end right now that probably is a big fan of it uh and has not been out so so we got two
13:24
totally different opinions uh listening to this right now yeah yeah yeah yeah it's just it's protected it takes a
13:30
certain it takes a certain personality too like even the editing it's like it it's tough because you want someone
13:37
that cares about fishing but if someone cares about fishing they might not be the type of person that wants to spend 18 hours in front of a computer screen
13:45
it's like you want someone outdoorsy but not and that's that's the constant battle of
13:51
creating videos and being in front of the computer because uh you always want to be out filming the next one but
13:56
question for you jay um i've always been and pete and i have this has been our our mandate almost from day one
14:04
um we are not the types that are easily satisfied with our performance in front
14:09
of the camera meaning meaning that it doesn't really matter to us whether it takes us a day two days or a week
14:17
um to get a show because if it's not up to our standards we just we won't quit
14:23
yeah is is this now we and we've always said it we needed to do that
14:29
in order to make grow and maintain uh an audience in national television
14:34
you have to give them quality each and every week is it the same absolutely is it the same in your world
14:41
uh well that that's that's a great great question because the thing is youtube has algorithms
14:47
right so there's times where youtube will favor certain videos to pop up in front of you
14:52
and i will tell you straight up like some of what i think are my highly most highly produced videos
14:58
don't get don't get views you know they would for whatever reason they don't get favorited and there's definitely like a
15:03
certain flavor sometimes we're all trying to crack the code on youtube all of us to make youtube videos and it's it's the inner battle for me as
15:10
an artist because i know what i want to make as an artist and i also kind of have a have an idea
15:16
what people want to watch as viewers and i can tell you i can kind of
15:22
i can kind of predict somewhat i wish i could predict all the time but i can kind of predict
15:27
that if i post a walleye video it'll likely get two to three times the views as if it's a bass video because if people fish
15:34
in canada and they only fish one weekend a year they walleye fish they don't they typically don't buy fish right so that
15:40
gets brought into the equation and then it's also like you know you guys are doing
15:46
13 13 shows a season or do you do 26. we used to do 36 yeah yeah so it's the other thing like for me
15:53
it it does i don't think it hurts me to put out a video if i struggle to catch fish if i go out and you know i struggle but
16:00
there's still something i can teach people it's like i'm not risking as much i'm not buying that air time right i can just put online for
16:06
free and if i think there's the littlest bit of value in that i don't want to throw that footage away
16:11
because i put the time into it for you guys you're kind of like you said you're limited to those those 13 or 26 and you
16:17
want everyone to be a shining star there's videos that i i'm like well i don't know if i should
16:22
put this out and then you put it out and you know maybe people relate to it maybe it it gets views and
16:28
yeah you know you're definitely different let me show you one quick there's one quick answer the beauty of what these guys are doing on youtube
16:34
though is is that if they have what they feel is a real good piece but they say
16:40
you know what i might not get the views they can go through something else in there before they before they even put
16:45
it on youtube you say oh you know what if i just put a little crankbait piece in there maybe it'll go or some stupid
16:50
silly thing in there you know you can you can actually actually add to it yeah i mean
16:56
i mean my yeah like my my goal when i set out to film a video now is
17:01
um you know if i don't catch a fish because we all get caught in oh yeah we need a big fish that steps but every episode is
17:07
a big fish but if you can tell a story or you can teach in a certain way like i think if i make
17:13
the objective of this video um how to make a quick shake rig for pike and i show the a to z steps of making
17:20
quick straight rig how to put it on a tip up how to rig up your cisco i think that's enough value that someone's going to want to watch that if
17:27
i catch a big pike that's a bonus so it's just like i'm always trying to think you know how can i how can i guarantee that there's some value rather
17:33
than you know me just going fishing and striking out so because i think there's always something to teach and um
17:39
it's kind of yeah a goal you know what you do extremely well i mean extremely
17:44
well is you sell your personality absolutely you are one
17:50
of the best that i've seen that is in you're able to reach right through and grab that audience member and sit them
17:56
down beside you and thank you and you do it just so easily and it looks just flawless
18:03
i bring that up only because in our industry we don't necessarily have that we're
18:09
we're so focused on on um on product because we're forced to
18:15
because it's because it's broadcast that maybe sometimes we don't work on our
18:20
personalities and you know what i mean and i say that not just i'm not talking necessarily about
18:26
us i'm just talking about our our group in general there is one guy who in my opinion
18:32
and he'll give me hell after he listens to this i'm sure uh but he's a good
18:38
friend of ours he's been on our podcast he's been out with us involved with radio with us i know where you're going who you're going with this i don't know
18:44
where but yeah okay if there was ever a guy seriously if
18:49
there was ever a guy built for youtube it was crunchy oh you think about that oh yeah yeah you can see whatever he
18:55
wants oh yeah no like his tv's work was crappy terrible he didn't you know and
19:00
i've told him a million times he didn't even deserve the only reason he got on tv is because he had had enough money to buy his way in but
19:08
but on the other side of that coin can you imagine daryl oh yeah had he started on youtube oh yeah he'd be the biggest
19:15
thing in the business i'll guarantee you no i think i think there's something to be said for that and and i think
19:20
yeah there's definitely a generation of people that the thing is if you can
19:26
you know it at the end of the day we're trying to make a living off of it make it a business so we can sustain and and
19:31
keep doing it but like there's kids out there that have gotten garnered enough views that they don't need sponsors and i've
19:38
told people i'm like hey guys like i try to i try to keep my episodes very clean because i know there's kids watching and
19:44
that's just my personality that's how that's that's what went into me i want i don't have a clean product that's who i am
19:49
and then i have friends that you know will will push it and be a little more edgy and i'm like okay that's fine
19:54
that's fine but like a brand might not want to associate with you if if you're running that line
20:00
but with youtube if you get enough views you don't necessarily need the brands you know paying you right what is that
20:06
guy a number jay is there a number of views that the these young youtubers can aspire to to be able to say wow i can
20:12
make some money at this i mean this is the thing about youtube and it's it's all a little it's all a piece
20:18
of the pie right like ideally you get some views and you can get a little bit of sponsorship money and maybe you sell
20:23
a little bit of merch and all this stuff right like i mean it's so tough to quantify because
20:30
it depends how long people are watching your videos how long your video is um
20:35
and yeah it's it's really tough to say um i mean i think i think if you're looking
20:41
at it in the youtube space and you see someone with 50 to 100 000 subscribers there's a
20:47
decent chance that they can make a living off of what they're doing it depends on you know the business side because there's there's always the
20:53
business side behind it um but yeah i think if you you know 100 i would say a lot of the people that have 100 000
20:59
subscribers or more getting 50 to 100 000 views on a video they're likely making a making a living of it so um
21:05
which which is pretty cool let me ask you a question do you feel at all that you
21:11
are playing um with the handicap
21:16
by being canadian in your system um that is a great question i because i
21:23
have a couple buddies that have made you know their livings off of bass fishing videos in
21:28
the states and you go to the states and it's like the population density is insane so if you're if you're a guy that makes videos fish and ponds for bass
21:35
well there's a lot of people that pawn fish bass all across the united states right right i think
21:41
i think there's a positive for where i'm at like i would say ice fishing has kind of become a niche so for example
21:48
a lot of people in the midwest like ice fishing they only get ice for let's say december to
21:53
february and we get ice in kedara from november to april so i know that if i'm making
22:00
youtube videos in november everyone else is like jonesing for ice and they're so excited that they can't go yet so i know that people are probably more likely to
22:06
watch a session videos of those times so i mean especially during the lockdown i would say people were
22:12
living vicariously through lake of the woods videos because that's that's a pretty iconic you know destination for americans come up to so you know you
22:20
can't come across the next best thing would be watching someone fishing on your home lake right or your your cabin cottage
22:26
lake yeah i i i reason i asked that question because we we go through this all the
22:32
time with the amount of work that we put into our product with the costs that we have in getting
22:37
our product to market and knowing a lot of the um american
22:42
producers fishing show producers very well we've become equated with with some of the bigger names down there and
22:49
knowing their inner workings in fact we're we're producing roland martin uh outdoors i don't know where the folks
22:55
are really cool we've been doing that for a couple of years now so we we have a pretty good handle on what's happening
23:00
south of the border and and then i look at guys like you and i say man you know if if only we could apply all of this
23:07
wonderful talent and and hard work ethics and and all of the things and and
23:12
difficulty in terms of weather and and seasonality and
23:18
and small audience and apply it to a the opposite you know
23:24
apply itself to the border man man like the the sky's the limit i knew you're
23:30
going to say that this guy's the cha-ching you know yeah yeah yeah it's it's a tough thing too because
23:37
i i say this all the time but i think on the average i'd be curious what you guys think i think americans are better
23:42
fishermen than canadians would you agree oh no wow not even good most not even
23:47
close they're better bass here's my reasoning here's my reasoning i think if you fish in the states
23:54
you have to be better because because the fish are more pressure there's way more people on the lake so
23:59
you go to mille lacs and those walleyes have seen lures before i think you come up here and you can get
24:05
away with maybe not being as uh fine-tuned as an angler um
24:10
you know you know you're talking you might be talking though jay uh millex versus the way up to kenora area
24:17
and all that you start getting to southern ontario and the southern i don't know what the rest of the province is but those southern portions where the
24:22
population is and the fishing gets pretty tough you know what i mean like where we are oh yeah and yeah no i spent
24:27
some time on simcoe and that's opened my eyes to canadian fishing pressure right exactly but let me give you another
24:33
example okay when was the last time jay that you went out fishing and you spent three or four days on the water and you
24:39
didn't have a complete weather change yeah that never ever never now never
24:46
i can go down to florida and get on into my shorts and t-shirt and fish bass till
24:51
the cows come home and the temperature may may dip one or two degrees
24:58
that's yeah no that's a good point right and that makes for tough fishing up here and that's why i say we
25:03
absolutely we've had to contend with and and because of the seasonality we've had
25:08
to learn how to fish in the spring how to fish in the summer how to fish in the fall and
25:14
certainly out of there no those are all very good points right um
25:19
i think another thing that is maybe in our in our positive is like as far as american people watching as
25:25
yeah it is it is uh canada's the destination for a lot of american fishermen but it's it's more so the midwest i would say favors coming to
25:32
canada than maybe maybe the southern states but i know what you're saying it's uh it's no coin big market down there no coincidence that if you ask
25:40
anybody who the top 10 bass anglers are on the pro circuit in the u.s right now
25:45
we'll have at least one or two canadians oh the johnston's and gussie yeah exactly yeah they're starting to make a
25:51
mark they're starting to move it right so you take those one or two out of maybe i don't know 10 that are fishing
25:57
professionally in the us as far as canadians go and you add that to the american numbers and all of a sudden you
26:04
say whoa those boys are probably yeah and you got a guy like you got a guy like gussy for instance and that boy
26:11
is not just a bastard in all departments that boy you know what i mean he is good so you could
26:16
shoot the odd bear bear and everything else yeah exactly i i don't know it's just i i think uh
26:24
canadians at the end of the day are just better tacticians they're better uh i think
26:31
everything the theory of fishing is is better with them because they have they've had to learn it under really
26:37
adverse conditions so yeah and and then i look at you guys now
26:42
canadian youtubers you guys if we if we
26:48
if we put you on the level playing field that the u.s guys
26:53
are i think you guys have blow the doors right off them personally i'm telling you wow i'm telling you in my opinion
27:00
your audiences would be massive here's a question then jay who was because i don't know this honestly i
27:05
don't think anna says who is the biggest that you that you think is the biggest youtube angler personality uh anywhere
27:11
in the world right now who would be the biggest oh man that is
27:17
that is a tough one there's a saltwater guy called blacktip h joshua jorgensen he's he's pretty
27:22
massive right now um yeah i'm trying to think i mean
27:28
there's the googan squad guys which you've likely heard of and they're they're basically just bass which kind
27:33
of is is a little more you know pigeonholed so it's it's tough to say who who the biggest name would be like i
27:39
think um i think aaron webb has done a really good job for himself in canada being you know just a very entertaining guy off
27:45
the wall and he's the complete package right so i mean yeah i'm biased but i think he's you know he's just kind of
27:51
paved the way for a lot of us to do what we do because you know i'll tell you like five ten years ago when you're talking
27:58
to a a sponsor about youtube it was a very it was a very foreign uh conversation to have you know right
28:05
right yeah i think aaron has done as good a job as anybody in this country for sure oh yeah for sure and once again
28:11
comparing him to the us i don't know if anybody in the us that i would say just from what i've seen would be any better
28:18
than him yeah without question right especially personality wise right he does a good job of putting those shows
28:23
together and he has built a great personality except i have a bone to pick with him one day and i'll i might as well pick it with you now who me or
28:31
jay jay just because you were his partner we uh yeah i've only met him once but i don't think we officially met
28:38
we were at a garmin function uh a few years ago oh yeah he was at one in the state
28:44
somewhere yeah i remember hearing about that yeah and i was very disappointed with uh with him in that he didn't
28:50
he didn't seem to be a very open and friendly and and gregarious as he does
28:56
on the screen you know what i mean i i i um i don't know maybe it was just me you
29:02
wanted to come over and offer free beers is that what you're saying well that wouldn't have hurt it would have it would have certainly broke the ice
29:07
anyway no he uh he didn't uh and i know he knew who we were obviously i would hope he
29:13
knew who we were but yeah i know i'm yeah you know you guys are for sure i i yeah i would i wouldn't take anything
29:19
personally i i can't speak to that certain situation but uh yeah
29:24
one day one day we'll get a chance i'm sure we'll meet i'm yeah absolutely so so we've gone way off base here because
29:31
uh dean went to the trouble of giving us a whole bunch of notes that we're supposed to go through exactly that's
29:37
okay so tell us about i think you might have already said that um
29:42
whose decision was it for you to leave on cut angling was it errands or yours first of all um you know i i probably
29:48
would have kept on filming uncut if if it made sense i think it kind of came to a point where my my side production
29:56
business was getting you know so busy that aaron felt like
30:02
it wasn't necessarily worth my time to film with him and then just the correlation of doing last minute
30:07
scheduling so there's like there is zero zero bad blood on that some people think we have some sort of falling out we're
30:12
still we're still best friends and and that's all good it's just uh you know when he takes off and wants to film for
30:17
a week it's just like and he can film himself and he's got you know no no coordination right as soon as you add
30:23
you know how big shoots work the bigger the shoot gets it just slows you down at every every step you know because
30:28
aaron's the type of guy that'll sleep in his truck for three or four days in a row or sleep on the ice for three or four days in the road to get a video
30:34
and not that i wasn't game for that it was just like yeah no it's we we both got busy and it just kind of it yeah
30:41
just kind of drifted in that sense and then uh yeah and then just a couple years later i was like well i'm gonna you know i had
30:47
to hide the camera backgrounds i was like well i'll i'll start making my own videos not with the thought that it was become a full-time thing but i was like
30:53
well i got the camera gear and i'm going to some cool places and you know i want to document it i think i think you guys
30:59
would agree that looking back on old episodes it's you know beyond the fact that you guys are able to make a living
31:05
doing it it's that you can show your kids show your grandkids it's like hey this is this is what i did this is me 20
31:10
years ago right well absolutely in my case my grandkid comes on the show now so yeah that's great it's really
31:18
fulfilling yeah for sure personally um did you say you you you dabbled in
31:24
television did you see everyone so uncut uncut did uh just one season of tv
31:30
whereabouts and we did wild tv and sportsman in the states and right it was
31:37
like you were talking about the constraints so aaron aaron did all the editing for uh foreign and it was just like aaron wanted to
31:43
focus on making videos and not selling ad space and he didn't really have experience selling ad space that wasn't
31:48
something that was my role to do either i didn't have experience in it i was like 19 years old so he did a year and i think i think if
31:54
you'd ask aaron in hindsight he's like i wish i would have just taken that airtime money and all the effort put
32:00
into cutting a showdown to 22 minutes and just focus on creating more content because
32:05
he didn't have that same background cutting stuff 22 minutes and that's what i love about youtube is i can post a video that i shot yesterday
32:12
i can edit it today and post it tomorrow it can be 22 minutes it could be seven minutes it can be you know i like playing with longer film
32:18
style videos too that are you know 45 minutes that's such a that'd be so cool to be able to like
32:24
as i said earlier in the show we're so constrained to time and everything else that'd be there's that just that length
32:29
of episode would be so huge for us you know what i mean it'd be so nice yeah right
32:34
now having said that i also and i'm going off notes again sorry dean if you're listening i know you are uh
32:41
i'll get to the pitch i'll give you a listen um all right i've not seen very many tv guys
32:48
succeed in youtube on youtube is do you think there's a reason for that
32:55
um so i i think it's tough to i think it's tough when you repurpose
33:01
content sometimes like if if if that same show is getting posted on tv and youtube it could be tough
33:08
and i would say that the common denominator with people i know that have made it go there's there's a few exceptions i would say
33:15
like scott martin's an exception but i would say for a lot of people it's like if you're fishing tournaments you're
33:20
tournament fisherman if you're making tv shows you're a tv guy if you're making youtube videos you're a youtube guy like i've put
33:26
all of my effort into uh just making videos for youtube and to try to get the attention there right
33:32
right scott martin's unique because he's been able to have people film his tournament scene and he's gained a pretty big following
33:38
so he's a crossover that's done good at tournaments and the videos brandon palinic as well um but it's the same
33:45
thing it's like if you want to focus on winning tournaments you got to put everything into winning tournaments and
33:50
it's the same thing with youtube it's so competitive that it's it's tough to spread yourself
33:55
thin on different things so i'm i don't think it's impossible to do good
34:00
on both but i think you kind of need to be super strategic and i think i mean you're you guys are stuffed as does good
34:06
on good on youtube i see your youtube stuff popping up all the time and you're doing tv so there's definitely like
34:11
yeah i would say you guys are a story of doing good on both we're trying but we're doing a lot of repurposing stuff
34:17
too like that right so we should if we really wanted to make it we would have to do exactly what you're doing we'd have to say okay guys let's not
34:23
think tv let's think youtube let's get out there and do it different now yeah having said that jay we've gone
34:29
out purposely to do youtube stuff and i personally find it so difficult to
34:37
throw that switch i find it so difficult to get out of tv mode mentally i'm talking about right
34:44
and uh and and sometimes it's a hindrance you know all those years of doing tv it's it's definitely holding me
34:50
back from being able to do it good youtube it also it also depends on
34:56
how you think if you need if you think you need to act differently like i think that the consensus would be you know uh youtube videos are a little
35:03
rough around the edges and a little less produced but like youtube videos can be more produced i don't think there's a book on that right
35:09
it's like you can kind of do whatever you want so i think it might be potentially you getting in your head if you're like well maybe we should do this
35:14
different but you could do the same format and just have you know the unique
35:19
the unique content it is a different thought knowing that like when i when i go into a day of fishing maybe i'll have my key talking
35:26
points but i'm never i'm never thinking about a commercial break i'm never thinking about how is this going to fit into 22 minutes i'm
35:32
just like if the fishing's really good this is going to be a 40 minute video if the fishing's really bad it's going to be a 15 minute video right
35:38
um that's awesome that's the way it should be i like i want that oh my god
35:45
oh my god hey let's talk fishing for a while or we're really going to piss off a lot of people are you from manitoba
35:51
originally and now in ontario or how's that yeah so i grew up south of winnipeg and then i found my wife in kenora um
35:58
and i've been in kenora for the last four years three years that's a song i found my wife in kenora well look at
36:03
that ladies and gentlemen i always i always joked about uh about finding your own canoe and it just so happened so i
36:09
think that's cool yeah it's a good place to be i'll start with a quick question and it came to my mind this morning
36:15
and you you'll know this and definitely knows this is there the same thing in manitoba as in ontario where they call
36:22
walleye pickerel they do it's just oh it's so bad and it's i would say it's
36:28
more so old-timers right non-stop non-stop conversation like it's uh
36:34
oh man and but i think a lot of their argument if you if you get a walleye that we're commercially fished out of
36:40
lake winnipeg on the packaging they package it as frozen pickerel and everyone uses that as their as their
36:46
arguments like no the commercial fishermen call them picker i'm like no it's just because the commercial fishermen are old-timers too and they're
36:52
not exactly that's not correct and it's like a picture of a chain pickerel yeah yeah and i show them a picture of a
36:57
chain picker i'm like that's what a picker looks like i'm like you go to the southeastern united states you can catch a pickerel these these are walleyes so i
37:03
razzed people about that all the time i didn't know i just wondered about it i said i never talked in manitobans about it i got to the point now where i don't
37:09
even correct them anymore no i go with it yeah my dad and i have conversation it was
37:14
pickerel mentioned as many times as walleye in there we never argued with each other at first he argued with me yeah what are you american now or what
37:25
um you're my hero on two counts first of all because of the youtube thing but you also have another profession that you
37:32
spent some time in that i really look up to and that is guiding because i think a
37:37
good fish guide a good fish guide of which by the way you know i want to clarify that term i i
37:44
hold some very high standards when it comes to a good fish guide but
37:49
i have to ask you first of all first of all one is written for me so i have to ask you that one i
37:54
want to know your craziest guiding story okay okay and then i need to ask you
38:00
something about the way you guide so go ahead with the guiding story give me your best guiding story what's the oh
38:07
okay well go ahead oh man i i've got i've got a couple but i would say probably the top of my list happened
38:14
my first my first week of guiding um
38:19
oh i've told i i i feel bad every time i tell the story but i was guiding even less largely with a big river and uh
38:26
this is like i was i was like 15 or 16 when i started guiding so my parents had to like drop me off at the lodge i
38:31
didn't even have my drivers and i mean i i feel sorry for anyone that paid money to have me as their guide but
38:38
uh it was it was like yeah first couple days and we were we were driving to a
38:43
portage lake so we drove 45 minutes parked our boat went in and fished it's called krodak lake fished there for walleyes for the
38:49
day and then came back down her boat so we came back to our boat the other day had a great fishing day and there was water in the bottom of the boat and uh
38:56
the bilge wasn't working so i uh you know with those with those little tiller boats you can pull the plug from the
39:01
inside and it'll just drain as long as you're driving it'll drain right so i pulled the plug drove back 40 minutes to
39:08
the lodge tied up my boat went up for dinner i'm happy all proud about my good day
39:14
and there's there's there's me sitting in the dining room and a guide runs up one of the senior guys and he's like okay boys we got a boat sinking we need
39:20
all hands on deck so i'm just like my heart sinks because i'm like oh i feel so bad for whichever guy is losing their
39:26
boat and i'm just i'm just like oblivious to the fact that it could be my boat so we start walking down the
39:32
dock and there's like five six guys all walking together and i'm like
39:37
i just see the cowling of the boat the boat's pretty much all the way down and just the top of the cowling and i just i
39:42
look closer like that that's my that's my dog slip right there and then my heart then my heart really
39:48
sank and you know because i'm so eager so excited on my first week of guiding and all the
39:54
guides are like okay jay well hop in the water and put the plug back in so fully closed fully closed there's
40:00
there's baby j i hop in the water i put the plug back in they had like a commercial sub pump they
40:06
pump out the water and the boat they ended up having to bring the boat to the shop but it all worked but i remember after that they're
40:12
like hey jay um time to go tell the boss so the boss is having a nice sit-down dinner with his wife in the dining room
40:19
and i'm just like a wet rat just ripping and i remember walking up to him and i'm like uh yeah i i sunk one of your boats
40:26
i pulled the plug and i didn't put it back in and he was just so gracious and
40:32
you know he he took it in stride and he's like yeah nope i mean now we know for next time you only make that mistake
40:37
once and uh knock on wood i haven't haven't sunk any other boats since i'm going on i'm going
40:42
on 15 years without a sunk boat no good for you that's that's a great record actually
40:47
that's a good story though i can imagine being all proud and learning this show and they've all i guess hey check this
40:52
out we can net you this boat oh we're running for everybody oh my god were you uh self-taught as a guide
40:59
yeah i mean yeah i was pretty much just thrown into it like i remember i i came to the lodge thinking i was gonna be you know cutting grass and maybe guiding a
41:05
bit it was like my second day there and uh i mean another story of
41:11
junior jay not knowing what he's doing is i remember like we went into this creek for for spring bass and the guests
41:17
weren't able to catch the fish so i grabbed a rod and i ended up just like catching trophy bath in front of the
41:23
guests and i'm so pumped and then at the end of the day the the owner and the guide manager sat me down they're like jay you can't be
41:28
out fishing the guests like that like they're paying money to come here and you're out fishing them in front of them like you can't be doing that
41:35
so i learned very quick and i would say like the biggest thing guiding taught me aside from being on the water every day
41:41
and learning the obvious you know maybe not obvious fishing fishing stuff is just
41:47
human relations and dealing with different people and needing to not act different in a bad way but just
41:53
to to put on a different outfit you're dealing with you have to adapt right that's the thing i think one
41:59
of the best uh courses a guide could take um if he's serious about his craft is
42:05
some kind of uh psychology yeah psychoanalyst kind of course you
42:11
know what i mean yeah because because if you could do that well you you think about it you could draw out
42:17
all that that negativity out of that guest right you could listen to him you could like
42:23
it would be a wonderful and get the best tip of a lifetime maybe the best tippers yeah sure see what i was going to say my
42:29
second thing i wanted to talk to you about guiding that that i have a bit of a as pete knows i have a real pet peeve
42:34
but you may have already given me a bit of a sigh of relief when you mentioned it um i i personally don't
42:41
think a guide should fish at all unless no and that and that's something that i that's something that i i learned very
42:48
quickly is just like the odds are you pick up that rod once and you're gonna catch that fish that
42:54
somebody traveled and paid a lot of money for and you know whether you're a better
42:59
fisherman than your guest or not that's beside the point it's just like that's what's going to happen you're going to pick up the rod and it's just by fate
43:05
you're going to end up hooking the fish it should never be about that it should never be whether you're a better angler or not because dammit you better be a
43:12
better angler you're guiding he's not right so why i don't understand and you
43:17
know pete and i have spent probably as much time with guides over the last 40 years as anybody else
43:23
that i know and i got to tell you a lot of them don't have that that mentality a
43:29
lot of them just want to show how good they are they want to outfish us they want to oh fish us literally you
43:36
know they'll just say i got to beat this guy i got to beat this guy yeah and that's not that's not the right mindset
43:41
no and and that that's that's my pet peeve for guiding i don't i don't think a guide should have a rod in the boat if
43:48
the the customer if the client wants you to fish
43:53
first of all you'd have to really do some fancy talking to get me to fish but if you absolutely wanted me to show him
43:59
something in the in the way of of a cast or or a technique then i'll take his
44:05
ride and i'll do it with his ride absolutely i have no business having a rod in the boat none zero no there's
44:12
there's one lodge i worked at and it was pretty much um it was it was told to all the guys if you get caught fishing you're you're
44:18
going home like they and there were guys that actually at least one got let go because he was just he was just fishing
44:24
with gas like there would be a unique situation where it's 12 30 and we haven't caught a walleye for sure lunch and it's like okay all hands on deck we
44:30
need to catch dinner but when you're casting a pike bay or you know for lake trout foreign there's just no
44:36
reason for for you to be fishing yeah that's what i was going to say is filling out for shore lunch or something
44:41
like that when the guys say yeah we need six in this boat okay uh you know you help catch two and they catch four or whatever mike might be only if they want
44:48
you to though your answer's absolutely right on that one so so all right uh i need to ask you when did you start the
44:55
uh the show that you're doing now it's it's a thrive visuals no that's that's your
45:00
production company right tribe's the production company yeah okay tell us about the show itself on youtube
45:07
like just just on for my channel in general yep um yeah it's uh
45:13
it at the start i kind of played with just uploading a bit of everything like uploading you know i used to do wedding
45:19
photography so i do like behind the scenes on wedding photography behind the scenes on travel and northern lights photography and and general
45:26
just trips and whatever and then i kind of realized that people
45:31
people wanted to see it more of a narrow scope and fishing was obviously you know my focus at that time so
45:37
um kind of i guess the turning point where it turned into more of a consistent thing was when manitoba tourism was like
45:43
hey jay like we like we like the videos and we want uh you know we want to help you grow
45:49
your channel so they were kind of a supporter that came on four years ago and have been with me and
45:54
kind of you know just you know helped help make it possible to do to do what i do to make videos and
46:01
so i mean yeah it's so cliche they couldn't do without the sponsors but like i really couldn't have you know they
46:07
they made it possible and i'm you know very grateful for that absolutely and how long how many how
46:13
many episodes do you put up what's what's your season look like oh man that's the thing it's like i i don't really have a
46:19
i do not have a schedule there's some people that'll say hey every every monday i'm gonna put out a video um but like
46:26
i would say anywhere between i would say on average one a week but probably so i don't know in a year in a year i'd
46:32
probably do 50 to 60 videos would go on my youtube channel maybe more maybe less
46:38
this year i produced a series that i you know i hosted and produced and it went on uh the meat eater youtube channel so
46:44
that was i did two seasons of that that was eight episodes that went there but yeah it really just depends on where i'm
46:51
at in my life so like for example i am uh expecting my first child in june oh
46:57
congratulations thank you thank you so that'll be that'll be less travel but the thing is i live i live in kenora
47:04
so i can go fish on lake of the woods for two hours in the morning and make make a little video make a video about how i
47:10
like to you know use jigs and swimbaits or walleyes or do a muskie session at sunrise so i think
47:16
that that's like i said the beauty of it that i can it can transform to where my life is at there's times where
47:22
like since since november i've been on the road for probably every other week i've been on the road um in manitoba doing some stuff in the
47:29
states and yeah so it there's really not an answer for that but i would say yeah like i try to aim for a video a week sometimes it's
47:36
more sometimes it's less that's probably a lot of work i would think that's i mean we're we're we're inundated with
47:42
work once we shoot and then have to edit our stuff and it's not even near that number you know what i mean so i can't
47:47
imagine the work you guys we have a hard time getting 13. yeah exactly
47:52
but here's the thing you guys you guys one thing that makes it different is you guys are traveling further like i've
47:58
watched honey yourself you guys are coast to coast which i love and every every show is
48:04
multiple days with the best of the best in 22 minutes right there's there's no filler in your shows it's like there's there's always something happening you
48:11
have the segments within it you have like even the graphics for your for your your waypoint segment um even
48:17
that i know how much work all that graphic stuff takes and that's me from from the production standpoint it's like people like oh that's there's there's
48:22
cool graphics there like no that stuff takes like days to do like it looks easy but it takes a long time so i mean yeah
48:29
yeah yeah yeah you're absolutely right you're gonna you're gonna build on lake of the woods but you're gonna be able to go out
48:34
there and shoot a youtuber then come back in and say oh no everybody's gonna show you how to change shitty diapers here in a very short time it's gonna be
48:40
the best segment ever yeah get ready get ready for that one [Laughter]
48:49
that's going to be a real change for you obviously you're going to have to do some balancing um between work and and
48:55
home a little more than you do now uh and it might change things for sure um well that's the other thing the other
49:01
youtube thing too is like i and and it's just like there's there's
49:08
no there's no limit right it's not like okay this is how i'm scheduling the 13 shows it's like i i i never know and i'm
49:14
and that's probably to a detriment that i i'm like a little bit of a workaholic so it's like once like as soon as the video
49:19
is done it's like what's the next one what's the next one i think it could benefit me from being like hey these are the 40 videos 30 videos i'm doing this
49:26
year and then just cap it at that and it doesn't get out of hand because right you know right it's fine it's always finding the
49:32
balance of work and life uh favorite species oh man
49:38
i mean i would say tarpon if we're going anything um but fresh water would be muskies and and
49:45
it's something people are like you say musk is your favorite all the time but you never fish like you don't fish that much
49:50
there's there's so much to do here right it's just like this you know i i i live i can see lake of
49:56
the woods through my office and i've fished lake of the woods for three days this winter because i've just been you guys know how it is it's like
50:02
sometimes the lake in your backyard is the one you don't fish right right and muskies i don't know we maybe
50:07
maybe it'd be different with youtube musky's a tough sell for us to our audience you know i mean when you're working so many days to
50:14
maybe get two follows and a week's fishing or something you know what i mean there's such a hard fish to deal with so it's i don't
50:21
think people like they love seeing them and when we get them we love seeing them do it fifteen i think collectively as a
50:27
group of anglers we've uh we've gone out of our way to highlight the fact that it's such a
50:33
tough fish to catch that i think that's probably keeping a lot of people from saying hey i'm going to go musky fishing
50:42
it's the closest thing to hunting for sure so many days yeah jay
50:47
carp yeah there was a question surrounded by a goatee cody goodchild on facebook
50:54
we've got some questions yeah do that one answer or oh yeah jay what do you think of carp do you think they're
50:59
in manis to society are they going to be a good thing so this is probably something that people don't know
51:06
where i grew up in our south of winnipeg i it's not exactly like uh sunset country with lakes splattered everywhere
51:11
you're kind of in the middle of prairies and farmland and my hometown of altona built like a little man-made pond for
51:17
their whatever for the millennial year and uh so that pond was built in my
51:22
backyard and they dug it out and there's this big mud pit and they stalked a rainbow trout the rainbow turtle died in like the first two years and then carp
51:29
got in the pond and that's what i grew up fishing i fished carp i've got
51:34
countless carp out of that pond they weren't big i was catching like 15 to 20 inch carp but that was that's all i had
51:40
access to so i i have a special place in my heart for carp wow and we're done um
51:45
yeah i love car fishing and i know that now recently ontario because of your video i saw that they changed to using
51:50
you can use multiple rods for carp now open water so that's definitely intrigued me um to do more of that you know we don't
51:56
really have any carp in northwest ontario but manitoba lake of the prairies red river lake manitoba they all have you know massive
52:03
carp selkin yeah buddy selkirk damn yep up above the selkirk damn some great
52:09
carp fishing up there between cats and cats and carp that was a great uh alternative fishery up there wasn't that
52:15
in that area yeah and so yeah it's just it's crazy to think that like this is the farthest
52:20
northern reach of catfish yet they're thriving and they're like yeah it's as
52:26
good as ever so it's it's pretty cool i think i think sometimes people locally they can take it for granted sometime
52:31
because we have you know the great greenback walleye fishing and stuff but the catfish if you want to get someone hooked on fishing you take them to
52:36
lockport you bring them catfishing and it's like yeah they're gonna catch a 20 pound fish and be hooked for life i have amazing memories of my dad when i was
52:43
young and we don't we're fishing off shore with piccolo rigs and nightcrawlers and we're catching we didn't know what they were they were
52:48
freshwater drum but it's like we're catching them one after another it's like those are some of my best fishing memories oh it's great absolutely i can
52:55
imagine a father and son there as
53:04
somebody wants to know on instagram uh let's see here's one for ranch pete and jay do you guys think that technology
53:12
i.e live scope for example um is making fishing too easy everybody's saying that
53:18
all the time that now it's so easy no brainer or not you guys go you need a rod anymore just go with your live scope
53:25
everybody what do you think jay well i i posed the picture i posed that question on social
53:30
media recently and just just yeah exactly what uh the listener was asking and and
53:36
it's it's definitely cut down uh you know the learning curve because same thing with with depth charts i remember
53:42
going out when i was you know 12 13 and we were holding up pictures to triangulate you know humps and stuff yeah so
53:49
it i think it's brought everyone up to that same level like a lot faster um i think the best anglers are still
53:57
always going to find a way to stay a step or two ahead um and and people are like oh well you
54:02
know livescope is is uh it's a rich man's thing and it's like well but that's that's always been fishing if you
54:07
fish a tournament there's someone that has a faster boat than you because they have more money right right so
54:13
that argument doesn't exactly work but i think that the overarching thing that needs to that we need to you know
54:20
vocalize with everyone is like it is amazing technology hasn't gone too far i
54:25
don't think so but i think it's our responsibility to then teach people selective harvest proper
54:31
fish handling and because they're not going to outlaw this technology it's here they're not you know it's not going
54:36
to get cut out so i think it's just like how do we how do we adapt to that and teach people that you don't need to
54:42
always keep your limit and that's i think that's going to be you know the big thing over the next couple years because in the wrong hands you can you
54:48
can do damage you go to a crappy basin with live scope and you could wipe it out pretty fast yep
54:53
yep for sure it's not that's unfair i like to me uh if you're asking me to answer it's no
54:58
it's not unfair it's using the tools it's using the tools that you're given with when i worked as an electrician i
55:03
had a pouch right fully i could have did uh a lot of the jobs with half or a quarter of the tools but no i can't have
55:08
a freaking pouch right full them because i want to strip that wire properly so i don't break the wire i want to make the terminations proper i want to have allen
55:15
keys in case any you know what it means golf clubs you could i could get round of a round of golf in with a driver a
55:20
three wood a seven iron and a putter butt uh why wouldn't you bring the rest of the club there's two two more clubs
55:26
that i currently use in other words you want a full bag is what you're saying
55:31
oh god so yeah no and yeah exactly the money thing people always say that about
55:36
the money thing but you know i told a guy not that long ago a guy asked me about that and uh and he was smoking
55:41
cigarettes oh yeah i says how much do you figure you're smoking those cigarettes in a year me he said you could buy 20 live
55:48
scopes with that pal quit smoking and you got the money for it is what i said to him yep it's all priorities too yeah
55:54
yep yeah i know we have to let you go here soon you got another gig coming up i have to ask you a question if you were
56:01
if you were the producer of the fish and canada show oh boy
56:06
nationally televised fish in canada be nice jay this is a loaded question oh yeah no no no no i'm feeling it if you
56:13
were and you only had one episode that you needed to produce
56:19
what would it be what would it be
56:26
oh that's that's a tough one it had to be something manitoba because we haven't shot there forever
56:33
only one episode and and knowing the difficulties in shooting a
56:38
television show what would it be oh that is such a tough question like
56:45
i'm you guys the thing is you guys have done everything so it's like it's got to be something you guys haven't done but you guys have done everything like
56:53
we have the same problem every year that you're having right now yeah what what's the next show yeah it's
56:59
um it's always a challenge for us always yeah you know we love i mean i would i would
57:05
the most the most untouched in canada is the far north right that's that's where it's the most expensive to get to it's
57:10
the toughest and i think i think there's there's the most to tap into there
57:16
um but yeah i don't know i think like some something crazy like
57:21
arctic char is always cool or like flying in flying ice fishing to one of those remote lakes up in
57:26
in the north like i think i think there's some cool potential for something like that that maybe hasn't been done but
57:32
man i'm gonna i'm gonna be honest i'm not just saying this because i'm on your podcast it's like when i'm trying to research a fishery and trying
57:38
to get a starting point or maybe i'm brainstorming my next trip your videos pop up on youtube so much because you
57:43
guys have done everything it's like oh i want to go to try i want to try straight bass on the east coast it's like oh there's fish in canada they've done it
57:50
already they've been there three four times and i'm not just saying that to blow smoke it's just it's the truth you guys
57:55
you guys have done so much and that that is that's the battle yeah it's keeping
58:01
howdy how do you keep it fresh right yeah yeah we have the same problem every year it's the same thing okay time to
58:07
time to decide first of all let's decide on species okie dokie here we go here we go again
58:14
yes it's tough and it's getting tougher and tougher for us right that's why you know you'll see
58:21
i think we a trend we started maybe four or five years ago where we're more
58:26
focused on technique than we are on species or even location although you
58:31
know location is an important part of our episode every week but yep but we really try and focus more on technique
58:37
and especially new techniques new new uh types of of uh presentations
58:43
and it's and even that's getting hard i mean absolutely it's insane we've produced i believe somebody showed me
58:49
the number it was eight hundred and change episodes so in that video
58:56
in that 800 and change episodes uh man there's not much there aren't many
59:01
stones including the famous ink canoe of which we only raised yeah we only
59:07
shot one of those but we did in canoe which is a is she fish is rare
59:12
as it comes yeah but freshwater tarpon that's cool yeah yeah have you ever fished in canoe
59:18
i have not fished in canoe no that's that's that's one on the lift for sure yeah there you go you got both of those hands because i know i have never gotten
59:24
either so no you haven't never touched me yeah so anyways well i just got to give you guys props that yeah how many how
59:31
you've been able to keep it fresh and do it for you for so many so many years and been to every like yeah
59:37
you've written a book on it for so many places i i uh huge huge props for you've inspired yeah a generation like my
59:43
grandpa my grandpa was always like if he was watching a fishing show it was fish in canada so i came to his house and he's the guy that got me to fishing so
59:49
it's always it was you guys on tv so this this is a like i said at the start this is an honor for me to be talking with you guys and it's you know
59:56
well you know what i'd like to do if we can ever make it happen i'd love to do is to have you do a cameo on the fishing
1:00:02
canada show so that'd be fantastic yeah so we'll we'll uh we'll uh stay in touch and stay in touch with you and see if we
1:00:08
can schedule something in in an area that you're in maybe we'll do a little cameo
1:00:14
we'd love to see you there if you got time for one more question jay absolutely yeah okay explain to the
1:00:19
people what 39 hours was that project and uh and is there a future to that are you guys going to do any more of that et
1:00:25
cetera uh yeah so 39 hours was kind of aaron's aaron's brainchild that kind of stemmed
1:00:31
off of a european fishing competition called uh called fly versus jerk but but basically this competition was
1:00:37
the reason we picked 39 hours by aaron victorian hours is that was kind of the typical amount of time you have on a weekend of daylight hours for activities
1:00:45
so kind of like three three 13 hour days sort of thing um and so we took that time frame and let's we
1:00:52
wanted to make it multi-species so we had a team the first season was a team in ontario um
1:00:57
paul castellano tara morata we had a team in in manitoba it was aaron weave and manny miles team in saskatchewan the
1:01:03
conrad twins and the clock started and they had 39 hours to catch as many species of fish as possible and
1:01:10
basically you would get that point by having the longest fish of that species so team manitoba can get a 40-inch pike
1:01:15
if it lasts until the end of the competition they would get that point but otherwise team saskatchewan could steal it with a
1:01:20
41 or 42 inch pipe so it was this is this cool interactive interactive game
1:01:26
and video series and um we didn't know what it would be but it was it was kind of cool because it
1:01:32
we got feedback from people that weren't in the fishing world that weren't you know hardcore anglers and they're like man i'm not really a fisherman but this
1:01:39
was kind of cool it's kind of like that reality type feel to it so we did a second season a couple years ago and
1:01:45
there's always talks about a third season um i mean you guys know the amount of production is in sync because each team
1:01:52
if they fish for 39 hours plus everything else you're looking at let's say 50 hours of footage per team
1:01:58
times five teams so you're looking at you know 200 hours of footage for someone to
1:02:03
watch through so it's always something that you know has it's probably the most common common question i get is when
1:02:10
when season three is random hours happening but um no there's uh there's there's always discussions and we don't want to you
1:02:15
know shut there we want to do it again it's just um you know how it is it's the production cost it's getting you know
1:02:22
12 people schedule lined up and have you ever met more of a lunatic than taro
1:02:27
he he's he's unbelievable he's insane and they he's wild and and the fun fact the fun
1:02:33
fact that people don't realize is tarot has a degree in psychology no i didn't know that wow
1:02:39
which is just like not what you expect so it's like taro taro is zero's smarter than he looks sometimes he's a wild man oh he's
1:02:45
so well i'm gonna tell you what is he ever a good angler right that guy can oh yeah you can do it yeah paul and paul oh
1:02:51
they're both just oh yeah great guys all right my friend uh wow appreciate
1:02:57
the word we really appreciate you joining us today i know you're busy and stuff and uh tell folks before you go
1:03:03
tell folks how they can get a hold of you or where they can see you and what to just get get them involved with you
1:03:09
go ahead the mike's yeah so i mean if you go on youtube and punch in my name j siemens that's probably the place you
1:03:14
can find a lot of my content or you can go to jcmx.com and um i'll give a little plug for my my fish
1:03:20
batter company i've got a company called catch and cook that i've started and i promote it through my videos now and so we make like spices
1:03:27
and coding and stuff and it's just it's something fun we're always out eating fish reading walleyes all the time so it's kind of my own
1:03:33
my own uh deal with my buddy josh and it's kind of been fun to uh to diversify and and uh yeah just been a fun side
1:03:40
side job and where can folks buy that stuff so they can buy it online at catchingcook.net and we're working on
1:03:47
you know getting into retailers across across canada across the state so yeah that's what i do when i'm not making
1:03:53
youtube videos excellent how's it been received are people loving it it's been it's been fantastic yeah i
1:03:58
mean you always if it's your friends that give you feedback it's like no i want the honest truth like i want it i
1:04:04
want it from a stranger right yeah but no the feedback's been good and it's been um it's just cool to see people get
1:04:09
creative with it because right like i deep fry walleyes 90 of the time but some other people use it for you know
1:04:15
they'll use the beer batter and they'll deep fried prawns or they'll use it for their gross or whatever it might be right so it's just cool because you have
1:04:22
your ways that you use it but other people you know cook differently than you so wow that's good for you
1:04:27
i'll send you guys something i'll send you guys something give me your mailing address after the call bundle uh my friend i feel like i've
1:04:34
known you a hundred years uh keep up the questions i feel the same way good keep up the good well
1:04:40
that's probably because you have no because we are 100 years old jay come on
1:04:45
um all the best to you this season and uh we'll we'll stay in touch i'd love to run into you on the road somewhere and
1:04:51
we can uh like switch the camera around and get you in front of a television audience that
1:04:56
would be great all right great thanks so much guys thank you

Jay Siemens Interview - Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast

fishncanada.com

Muskie Anglers Want This Technology Banned?

A Muskie Took Out Our Cameraman

Pete catches a guitar!

5 Big Clues About the Future of Streaming TV!

FOX NOW Streaming App Shut Down!

Peacock Is Cutting Off Shows and Frustrating Cord Cutters: What You Need to Know!

ENess Announces New Album & Faces Tay Roc in Battle! 🥊 | SWAY’S UNIVERSE

Robert Glasper: The Quincy Jones of Our Time? | SWAY’S UNIVERSE

Breaking Barriers: Christian Rap at Rolling Loud 🔥 | SWAY’S UNIVERSE

Banned Technology around the World | Tech That Got the Big "NOPE"!

The Best Jamaican Street Food Tour! Kingston Food With Alice The Crab Vendor!

Squid Games - The Trials Experience

Up next in 10

Jay Siemens Interview - Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast

fishncanada.com