Cormorant Hunts and Muskie Bites | Fish'n Canada Live

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Uploaded: 2025-03-26T22:08:02+00:00
Duration: 1 h 55 min 18 s

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yes set your sir up there come on now oh
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you're looking you're looking wonderful thank you i work at it uh i really uh
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welcome to the long weekend ahead or at least it's a long weekend nationally
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i don't i don't even know i believe it's a non-stat long you know if i'm not mistaken
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i think so some will have it the lucky ones will have it off and they're probably going fishing and
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the uh not so lucky we'll be at work thinking about those that have it off gone fishing
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well in our case we're a victim of people wanting to go away for the weekend and not wanting to come on this
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show that's [ __ ] we have no guests today apparently is that true this is the problem with
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the long weekends people nowadays you say well they got monday off i might as well take friday off too what the hell right you know that's not
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a real long weekend so our guest list was very shortened
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quickly when they were all gone away on friday which is today uh we do we we we have a ton of stuff to
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talk about but we do have some great guests coming up in the weeks ahead um one i i'll throw this one at you
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because i'm excited about buck martinez is going to be joining us in uh in a week or two
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uh if you don't know who he is first of all he's a he's a an insane angler this guy would rather fish than
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anything else uh in his life of course he is the uh former back catcher for the uh blue
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jays turned broadcaster with nbc and now broadcaster too he's awesome he
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is great so much so that nbc uses them for all of their big games
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uh of course we use them here still rogers uses them uh for the blue jays games that are on right now and so he's
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going to be joining us in a week or two fascinating i've had him on the radio program before and uh just a a great guess but
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there's a ton of them they're coming up but let's talk about today you know what no let me go but just
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i'm gonna just reiterate to let the people the whole thing sometimes happen the way we hooked up with buck martinez
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was that our old cameraman one of our first cameramen tom monroe who was with us for many many years before before
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every other was with angen reno and then todd just he was the first official cameraman
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because brentwood was was the producer oh okay right so he can't yeah
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yeah so todd shot me a note and said hey uh he shoots for dome productions now so
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and he's one of the main camera guys there and he said hey buck martinez is a huge fisherman
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he's just crazy about fishing what do you guys think about uh getting him on the show wherever he says well okay let me get him with angela get on the radio first and we'll see if we
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can do that that's the way things work around here so todd's also trying to set us up some of the uh nba players the raptors and stuff
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like that so we have a we have a list of ongoing but that's how these things happen it's pretty cool so sorry answer go ahead no i don't now
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i'm screwed up i don't even know where i was going with this but that's okay oh i know where i was there you go uh
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congratulations to uh our very first winner of a mercury nine point no mercury two
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point nine point nine's over it's the mercury two point five
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and it's not the very first winner you just said it's very very first winner from alberta canada
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okay there you go okay there you go to john yee of edmonton alberta
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lucky him in the other bubble city and uh interesting story with uh with john from
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edmonton winning this motor he had 500 ballots
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in the box over 500 over 500 ballots in the box how cool is this
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it shows you this possible folks when you're not getting your name drawn i went through all the nine nines and went through the garment i couldn't get
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any of that i'm in the 2.5 but i'm halfway through don just shows you you can win okay it's very possible uh to him and uh
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he'll be receiving uh his motor shortly and don't forget every month we start over again although all of the
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ballots just get pushed into the new draw so all the work that you did for last month is not for not
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not lost we're just pushing it into the next contest so make sure you get in there every
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single day every 24 hours you're eligible to put in a new ballot plus as you all know
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we are known to give away little bonus ballots every now and then and um and this program
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gives away i think 10 at the end of the show so stay with that go ahead
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here well we could go on to uh kevin call we just put kevin katherine
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up on our uh on our site got a new piece he shares his favorite trout recipes
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that can be prepared even out in the wilderness so you know obviously you can eat it out on
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the open campfire or you can bring that stuff home and bring your fish home bring all your recipes home and all that
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and it's interesting because trouter uh there are different fish to cook right there they have they have the oil
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they're an oily type of fish they're not like a walleye or a pipe it's a white flaky kind of meat so they have
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they have oil in their flesh in their meat in their skin they're a little fattier of fish but you know some people like trout i
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hear a lot of people that say they don't like trout you know as it compared to walleye because they're i think they're doing a direct hair comparison and they probably haven't
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eaten it properly done all right and as you know when you used to go in algonquin park the taste of a little
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brook trout like a little 12-inch brookie pan-fried properly there is
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not much better than that to be honest with you you know but i also will tell you this i also will tell you this to add to that
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is that that any fish to me when you're cooking it outdoors or especially if you're doing
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it you know via shore lunch or shore supper it tastes extraordinary
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yeah but at the end of it all i have to be honest with you i'm not a huge i like i love it in the outdoors
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but i'm not a huge trout eater it's not my favorite fish to eat you know uh but yeah when
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you catch it in in in the middle of an algonquin park and throw it in a frying pan right there i'm sure it's fantastic
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but yeah you know you know i'm the same i'm kind of the same but
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but there are certain times like little brown trout from our southern ontario streams little brook trout they are absolutely
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stunningly delicious you know wherever legal obviously had to work about legalities and the species like little browns are delicious but
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the one i was really surprised at the most dance was uh last week's fishing canada show will aired uh when stevensvikie and i went up
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to perry sound to catch those escapee rainbow trout so there's a bunch of
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farm-raised rainbows for the most part that have escaped out and i'm sure they're living off the land
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now my god was that a delicious i kept reading and steve kept reading and it i
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wish i would have kept more now because i didn't know what to expect little two-pound rainbow my god was good
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like it was freaking out do you think that was because they were
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pen raised you know what that's a great question but i don't
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i don't know what i mean if they pulled it right out of the band and you can compare it to the one that's been escaped for a year or however
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long he's been out there eating bugs and real food you know that'd be the only way you could compare it i would think all i know is
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that truck escaped from that net when i got it into my frying pan into my gut it was delicious i loved it okay
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and i'm a total walleye perch pike addict like if you if i had to give up everything else i
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would i would keep all those you know any of those three it wouldn't matter which one honestly to be honest but
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but when you get the right trout and it's like salmon it's like nice pacific salmon when you get that orange
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meat and you cook that proper it is so damn good i mean the key to everything i'm sure kevin he might mention i haven't looked
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at his blog yet but he probably mentioned this is you have to get rid of the fat off of the skin on any fish
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and a trout in particular is very fatty and all you got to do is when you're if you're filleting if you're doing even
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when you cook it with skin on it's that gray meat on the outside that between the skin and the meat it's that gray it looks
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like meat but it's not that's what the fat is it looks grayish or dark get rid of that that's the fishy taste
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and then your your gold and that's even on walleye that reddish brown uh on the skin you get rid
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of that stuff and you're pure stance so i got a feeling we've got a hot button everybody's wanting to
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comment on that we'll have to come back to those later on uh mike you can earmark some of those uh
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cooking things what i was going to say though you know is it is it possible can we at some point do we have the
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technology to be able to put all of our uh contributing
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uh uh bloggers on this page somehow just sort of show them all with their names is that
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even doable i thought it just dawned on me we've got so many great talented
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bloggers you know we talk about the ugly pike podcast but and kevin kellan but there's
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so many of them on our site and it'd be great maybe one of these weeks that we kind of give them all
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some exposure i don't know if it's possible i'm just going right now you mean right across
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the screen here oh now now next week next month you know i don't want to tax anybody but
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it's like that newfoundland guy we talked to last week there said i haven't even had anybody gonna be fishing back oh okay i got fish out of that okay
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now i gotta have him do it again and see the crap you see people do you understand the crap that i
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have to take here and this is not something new this is not something that just started
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i've been i've been taking this crap for almost 40 years
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i'm even alive everybody's doing that with people angelo right now they're all
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feeling very sorry for you woe is you whoa they know they know
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i know they know i know they know because i i know you see my nastiness and all my
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comments right now though that scoring look at my face all the time right they know that it's it's always a knife in your back right
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there they gotta get it it's a horrible life you buddy i'm telling you
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uh speaking of like speaking about your bike
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remember that which we got to start doing sometime in the near future we have to get our podcasts going um and it's a new episode it is with
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josh g tray from red october bates so if anybody anybody that's in the know of musky fishing those red october baits uh
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anybody that doesn't just it's a good one to listen to and then you can learn about those spaces the musky world is crazy
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with fishing lures and baits i mean it is and i have experienced it when we by
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going to saudi air lodge uh we see the guys that steve had there in the past and these guys are
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absolutely nuts remember that one uh that one muskrat or whatever what was it he had
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uh matt o'brien had as it was worth 250 or 350 u.s dollars got from california rick squirrel red squirrel
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350 bucks u.s for this big to get it up to canada to start throwing it around he'd probably drive he doesn't throw it a lot he just
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keeps it for a moment sorry the debate world is nuts and musky
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guys in europe scott stewart up on the screen can you put it back up um
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says hey guys love your show i fi film realistic outdoors there's another we
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talked we talked about uh internet programming a while ago there's another one i hadn't heard about and you were one of the reasons i
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started my show well thank you very much uh we're gonna have to check you out let us know where you're available we'll uh
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we'll uh check out man i'm sure it's a youtube channel i would think by the sounds of things which is great
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freaking awesome they're still all right a lot of content uh you the the the top five uh
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short fishing tips and techniques that you need to know also is a good blog pete you want to tell folks about that
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yeah so we've we've uh noticed with our audience with our web audience that they really like the
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short stuff okay the shore fishing the locations especially obviously top five uh southern ontario ones for instance is
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just at the great ongoing bug that people keep hitting i mean the the whole key to this what we found
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out is when people are looking especially during pandemic zone says where do i fish near me you know they'll put a google search in
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there that boom our blog is showing up like that so it's really showing the interest in that and and edge and i get caught up i'll
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speak for myself my shirts with ants too is that when we got that big 20-foot prince trapped in the back 50 uh merc sitting on the back of it
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it's pretty easy just to grab that sucker and go fishing versus going on a short right we get kind of spoiled in that sense right
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it's nice to go in a boat when we go to lodges we don't block us at the end of the dock they give us a boat and we go out and vision but
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our roots really are shore fishing okay and then when we do shore fish now
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nowadays in modern day or whatever we don't just go out there and cast out the door so we've
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learned through the years to find and refine and build better techniques to do stuff like that just like in your boat
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so that's what i did with this blog i took five of my techniques that i've kind of learned and and i've learned together and and
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then just said okay here you go this is what i do you might want to try this started go ahead you have a question or something going
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on well i'm listening to you you know and and um and i got to tell you
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that i have learned more about shore fishing while fishing from a boat than i ever
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did fishing from shore okay and the reason i say that
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is because in a lot of cases i won't say in all cases and you just mentioned you know we go to
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a lodge and we get in a boat and off we go or or we put fnc one in the water and we
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go across lake we do but out of 10
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10 fishing trips out of 10 fishing trips how many of those trips
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do we spend with the boat facing the shoreline and us working shoreline structure and
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government yeah i would say probably either nine of those ten we do that and to me that's where where
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i believe we picked up some of the knowledge that you shared in that blog for for
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shore anglers it was from fishing from a boat not saying that that you can't be a good shore angler if
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you don't experience fishing through a boat but what it does it fast tracks you gives you the ability to eliminate a lot
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of the non-productive areas off of a shore off of a point off of a dock off whatever you're fishing and so what i
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found interesting in your in your piece was was how many of those tips i could relate to finding out from a
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boat as opposed to a shore right so yeah it
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it's it's really interesting we spend a lot of time most fish the easiest place to fish for fish is is
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along some kind of a of a shore contour whether it's a point uh or or it doesn't even have to be uh an
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above water point an underwater point that starts from a shoreline all those areas are so much easier to fish when
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you understand them and that blog did a great job of opening it up the one that the one that
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i'm gonna use they say blows your theory out but it's almost it's a it's a polar opposite so when we're on the in the
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boat we're all casting towards shore and the one point i got there's the waiter's on you're trying to get out
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further away from shore it's like where the hell are you gonna be here i'm gonna get out there you're trying to get
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in here what's going on here you and i did a show exactly like that
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do you remember the car i was on the boat we're fishing the same spot
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yep oh yeah you're right right you try you try it out do it right you're casting past my base i'm cutting
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over it's like it's a mental it's a mental thing like it honestly is when you're like but you're trying to cover
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shoreline from a boat you either want to get that bait right next to the shore or you want to get maybe you want to be
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stay away out and have a long cast you can cover the whole intermit the intermediate area of the closed
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medium and then close to your boats or anything like that when you're on shore inevitably you the
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first thing you want to do is see how far you can capture if i can't get that much i got to go farther put more weight on i
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got to get my waiters out i got to get out there it's what do you have to think i guess i just
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think of anglers so but it's a good piece everybody's interested in shortbread and you know what you take these
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these little tips i give like the fan casting you do that in your boat too so it's not just for shore fishing so these tips some of them in there
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are actually for um for using a boat so slip bobbers stuff like that so lots of little bits
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in there uh we have a lot of folks out on the west coast today we see uh uh doug says it's a great sunny day in
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penticton he watches bc what a beautiful part of the world uh thanks for joining us hey great beach
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weather he said somebody soyuz lake you got a salmon on a soyuz lake sockeye seven oh oh open uh
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that's a great lake uh that we fished it only for bass but what a beautiful piece of water
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and what a unique piece of water too yeah like it's it's uh it's got everything i mean it's in the
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canadian desert it's got some many hillsides around it it's it's a very cool piece of water for sure
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another thing on our side before we get off if we do get away from uh uh
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our website stuff is that uh congratulations out to chris johnston from peterborough ontario who is the
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first ever canadian to win a bassmaster elite event so we just had mercer dave mercer on
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here a couple weeks ago and we were talking about you know this and that in the bas world and uh and this finally finally a canadian
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has pulled the win and he did it in in somewhat dramatic fashion in that
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he was second place for three days to paul mueller american angler who did a really good job coming up to canada and
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and beating gussy and corey and chris johnson along with everybody else holding that lead but the last day the last day and this
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is so this is a good story the last day the winds well the second last day the winds came up in the afternoon
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and everybody started to work their way they're working on lake ontario and last river and they started to work their way back because the winds started
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getting bad on lake ontario well the wind stayed up all night and got worse and and most of the guys were
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saying should we go to the lake or shouldn't we well if we want the big bag of fish we gotta go to lake but you're gonna have to fight three to
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six foot plus waves right so chris being a very experienced angle and
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quarry being very expensive anglers on lake ontario and and when knew that
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in order to win this event i got to go to that lake so the guys that went to that lake did
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well chris did the best he had like a 20 something pound 20 pound bag and he pulled pulled the
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win off but the interesting part is the what the weather was so bad each boat has a cameraman in it
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every boat that went to the lake the cameraman got sick out there on the on the final day they were puking over the side of the
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boat they were they couldn't shoot with the regular game they were holding their phones like this like shooting like as they were throwing up over the
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side of the boat and that that's how brutal it was but but if you if you could probably go back and see some of the footage i'm sure
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bassmaster has that footage there you'll see the conditions that chris johnston had to fish they were giant waves i mean
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it's unreal they just patrol the motor into the wind and basically fish these rock piles on lake ontario
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fighting these giant waves so congratulations to chris and corey and gusy gusty corey got a top
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10 and gusty was 12th place too so they don't they all have a good finish they're on uh right now they're wishing lake champlain as we speak in another
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tournament so they're back together well they should do well well there too because all three of them have done
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historically on that body of water so it'd be great if all three could finish in the top ten on that one
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top ten yesterday i think the first day chris again he's carried on but he business like ninth or eighth or something like that so
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so yeah hopefully they'll do well in there and it's another that was more large more than smallmouth they could do both there but uh
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so yeah we're uh canada is showing up back again tony schulist who's a regular on the on
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the on this uh webcast asks the question and i'll bring it i i'm not ignoring everybody
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else but this is a good lead into my next piece that i want to talk about and uh tony's just wondering if you guys
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have done any shoreline trolling for musky i'm not even gonna answer that i'm not
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just going to ask you a question i'm going to tell you about the big story this week if you haven't already heard
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um about a manitoba couple uh and anglers that were in
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northern ontario on the winnipeg river just outside of the town of our community of manaki
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and kim driver was the woman's name she was waiting in the river i'm
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assuming we don't know for sure we're trying to get her uh to come on this show by the way if
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not today uh certainly next friday um she was waiting the river and she was
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according to her up to her chest waiting so i i don't know what exactly she was
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doing if she was fishing that's possible although highly unlikely you're waiting up to your chest
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but anyways whatever uh she got not only bitten by a muskie but
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pulled under by a giant muskie and yeah and uh left her
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requiring some extensive surgery uh that is there's there's a shot there
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plastic surgery that's going to be required to patch her up but uh both her and her husband terry
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told a news reporter from global news uh last week that when they first saw
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the fish it looked like an alligator
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and so i'm gonna throw this out there just as a thought because i we've dug back as far as we
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could go and we could we have not found another new story
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documented news story where a muskie has actually attacked a human being that was standing in the water we've
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we've all heard of the you know the little rumors of uh of people jiggling their
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toes in the water off off a dock or in a canoe or or whatever and getting nipped but
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there's never been as far as we can tell and somebody can can can tell us different and maybe show us
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some evidence there's never been a documented musky attack
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certainly in this part of the world that i'm aware of um on a human that was in the water
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actually walking into water so this is pretty unique if it if in fact it is what it is but
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i'm only throwing all this stuff out there because when they said that it looked like a gator i'm just
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wondering is it possible that it was a gator no why why is that so ridiculous
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yeah i live in manitoba or northern wherever that was was it manitoba river it's not manitoba it's ontario
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it's north of kenora but why why would it be so far-fetched to think that somebody wouldn't have
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released a gator and uh and it lived i don't think that
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that would have released it this spring because it wouldn't live through that winter right there those are warm
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i have my personal assistant uh when i say hello you got a starbucks coffee did you bring a star gun
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chris hey what's my cameraman that's my new game i know you you're a fishing guy
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i'm a i'm that fishing guy yes yeah yeah i'm not very good at continuity but i'm good on fishing you know what i mean
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i don't know continuity actually you guys are going to talk about that later on in the program
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that's really cold up there right yeah and if you ever told me uh six months
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ago that we would be wearing masks and uh uh being hunkered down in our homes and
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uh workplaces not being able to travel i'd have said well you can't that's not gonna happen because there's no reason for that to happen
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this is 2020 my friend come on okay so you're telling me that
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you're you can't catch a virus it's like the common cold this thing is cold it's like the common cold it
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catches oh it's a cold now i said a virus like
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the common cold it's a virus that you pick up very easily right you look at when somebody's getting oh
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my god there's there's a the flu going around well no [ __ ] everybody gets it the world gets it
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that's what happens with us because we none of us are cautious enough we need to be howie mandels and we have to wash our hands every minute of the
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day and then we wear masks otherwise you're going to catch this stuff right an alligator in northern canada
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living surviving more than well just living through one winter that is not going to happen yeah i know
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you know freezes you're going to have a gator for breakfast because the guy that brings it in is going to get to cut it up and eat
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all that nice meat on it you're right there is a possibility a
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slight possibility but there's a better chance that it was a muskie okay let's be honest there's a better
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chance that it was a pike than a gator and even pike never known to be fighting biting people but there's a better chance of that than
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a gator so we'll put gators third on the list how's that i'll give you the number three on that i'll take it
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look at that bite pattern that's a big muskie or at the tiny that's a barbie leg or something because that's a big
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bite mark right like look at that oh what is this oh that is true to put a bite mark that
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size on that woman that fish well for sure it's well over well over 50 inches and probably pushing 60. if
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you look at that bite mark and try and analyze the the the image and say that an average person has
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you know i did that this morning and we worked out that that bite mark is about 10 to 12 inches
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in in width it's
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very quickly mike before we go to ken's just go back to that picture just for a second if you can mike please
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i want to just say make one note i just noticed here so if you look at that as we're looking at all of that the left side there you see those
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there's long cuts if that was an alligator they'd be punctured straight in they
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would be holes because an alligator's teeth they're not sharp they're cone shaped they're like a walleye right they'd like be like poking
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this finger into the hole and it wouldn't unless he thrashed it would rip those are cuts like those are slashes
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like a muskie's tooth so i'll bet you that was a muskie because they look like the serrated sharp bladed edge that a
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muskie has so sorry i just had to put that in there that's my side i mean
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mikey go back to that comment sorry buddy can john ken johnson what are the
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chances of fish that bit the woman could have been northern snakehead if not a muskie that
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was my guest they are invading up here and vicious yes can but are they that big
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look at that bike pattern ranch we're just talking about it that is even eight inches across that's a freaking big animal that bit
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her whatever that is is big are our snakeheads that big i don't think they are i don't know but uh um i do believe
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that uh that uh if fish was big you know what i mean
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here's my problem with with with making the assumptions that that this is a muskie
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if that's the case if that did happen this fish was not didn't just bite her
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by the way according to the live reports this fish
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first of all thrashed with her leg okay and then hold her under
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yep that is one hell of an aggressive muskie
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which blows my mind completely because normally a muskie will will listen we know we've
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all heard maybe even a lot of us have seen um a lot of us have seen musky
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taking a duck or even a goose off the surface of the water but that's not a human being muskies are
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not not i think what's what the the thing that's
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weird about this this was not an appendage hanging in the water this was a full body
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it just seems so bizarre i'm not if you think i'm doubting this
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this thing this is real this happened i know you believe it you're just trying to figure it out
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i'm just trying to figure out what the hell happened let's say let's say the woman is
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swimming let's say instead of waiting she was swimming um
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you know kind of swimming around whatever now your legs are horizontal her legs are horizontal
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versus vertical because yeah if you're standing and waiting and that muskie had to turn sideways
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grab her like that that doesn't make a lot of sense what if she was just for you know push herself off and just
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cruised a little bit and her legs went horizontally well angelo and i have experienced many
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many times that muskie and pike and lake trout will t-bone another fish
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that's that's hooked that's caught they see it as a an easy meal and they will latch a hole well they
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always touch a hold of that i hope you can see this like that right that's exactly
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and then they hang on to that some [ __ ] now they're out they're not letting go their teeth are dug in and they're not letting go so they
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t-boned that that big prey not normal prey they did like that big one because that's the way they eat so if
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that leg in dirty-ish water say the water is a little bit off like sean like flashed in front of a
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fish i thought food whatever boom he t-bones it like that so then all of a sudden
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he's she's turning well you've seen an ant you got it on we got it on our youtube site that that fish did not like
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ants catches a pike with a walleye t-bone and he gets it right in the net before he released it they they get
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very aggressive with that that white fish or whatever it was that the pike had in it with you and ray coleris another show
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they did that that thing was not going to let go right they when they teach them something they hang on until almost their death
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because they think it's a meal so does this musky know that it's a human no this muskie doesn't know it's a human but if it saw something
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running horizontal it could have thought it was a meal and grabbed it that way right i i would buy the fact that this
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was a mutant pike i would buy that fact real easy
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musky like a giant pike you know a 50 55 60 inch pike i buy that
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that i buy wholeheartedly because we've seen them do it like you just said we've documented on tape where they they go nuts and they don't really care
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about what's happening around them but a muskie i've never seen a muskie do that
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in fact every time every encounter we've had with a muskie there's it always makes
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me believe that on the evolutionary scale you know if you take a musky in a pike
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um the muskie was the genius in the class and and pike not so much didn't really care about grades wow you
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see i'm i'm opposite of that i think 100 opposite of that a bust or
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or i want to look at his genius i'll look at his musky is a kamikaze and doesn't care about anything and a pike is very cautious and cares
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about everything that's
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attack a trolling motor propeller how many pipe will that attack how many kites you catch in the prop wash when
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you're trolling at five miles an hour of your boat muskies have no problem coming in and smashing something doing that hey this
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is my i want that piping you you do that on your boat takes off that's one pound or 30
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pounders in my experience so so i don't know i mean i think a muskie to me is the be all end-all and i don't
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give a [ __ ] i'm going to just go kill something and eat something and do whatever i want whenever i want well it's uh i don't know how many of
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you have seen the story we have it um i believe it's up now on
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fishingcanada.com or it will be shortly look at it and see what you think i know there's a lot of
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folks that are putting comments up uh maybe we can do a couple of them mike before we
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we move on so chris uh brad bent says i've seen many times when
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goslings following their mother get involved that that is such an incredible scene to witness
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uh because it is yeah and you know it makes me one i've seen it twice and in
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both cases um i just you know i try and humanize the victims and and the
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predator in this case i do i
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what went through their minds you know at that moment and and it's just such a traumatic event
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when you see this taking place in real life just insane but it happens every day that's nature right it happens every day
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every time every i mean we we um well think what we do as anglers we we try and emulate that
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every single time we go out we want that traumatic experience to happen except
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our bait is the victim right that's exactly what we're doing but to see it live i've never seen it
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live i wish i could i mean it's horrible to sound but i'd love to see it
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on anything like a big esops on anything like that that would be so cool kent i had a 40-inch plus muskie grab
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two-pound largemouth last year and it had and had not for 10 minutes never hooked but eventually it let go
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that's exactly what i mean they will grab a hold and a lot of times you're just relentless they just want that so bad
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they don't care a pike as well too so we gotta they aunt's got that one in the net so sometimes very fearless as well too
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but with these fish you know they don't this fish made the bodies there may have never seen a human before and
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that's the first time that thing's ever seen a boat or whatever it just thinks why is this bass so tough
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you know and they don't think real a lot but it's pretty cool sue says if it was a big muskie the head
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would have been fairly large yeah yeah you look down at some big ones i'm sure
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they do look like a big gator they do um i'm all lake skough i've hooked it great
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muskie fisher there by the way hooked into a few big ones here uh look like big gator coming across the water
36:55
absolutely i agree i agree i mean in fact we call them gators right
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in a lot of cases we'll we'll refer to them as theaters um i'm just shocked
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i'm in shock i guess so we're fishing uh and i were fishing
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on uh french river upper french four or five
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years ago um when we got the 250-inch muskies on it's on our uh our website and on our look it up you
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can put a search on there and we got 250 inches you each got one and those are big fish 50 inch muskies a
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nice trophy fish for anybody but do you ever answer you guys didn't see it and i said that one day we were
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coming close to charlie air about halfway back we were casting that little series of islands and i went oh my god
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boys i had one follow under it went right underneath the boat right now it was like this and and i
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when sue put that comment on it reminded me of that this fish was so wide across the head
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it freaked me out this is after us catching 250 inchers me catching one i mean netting my parents and we're holding them in
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pictures and blah blah blah release them this fish went underneath the boat and it blew my mind as to how wide it was
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it was not a whole lot longer than our 50s but it was twice as wide the head was flat like you
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know the way that on the top of the nose of a muskie in a pike it's flat it was between those big eyes there's a big ramp there it blew my mind i could not
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believe if anybody didn't know what that was it was an angler that didn't know what that was it could if they could see the legs
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there's no legs over they'd say oh my god that looked like a crocodile anyways it's a it's an incredible story
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you uh you have to read about it it's on fishingcanada.com and uh we're working on
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uh on getting the uh woman on the program here with you maybe next week it'll
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happen sarah's trying to get her today even but it's uh it's uh probably gonna happen next week i'm i'm hoping she'll
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come on and talk to us about it because i i i i want i want to get that tingly feeling talking to
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the person who actually got oh my god this thing because
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you know it might be a whole trauma thing still going through there because it had to hurt there's no doubt about it it hadn't hurt it's probably
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still hurting right it's been a week uh a week ago wish or something that maybe less than a week but that's still probably like a week
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you schedule that surgery i believe next week oh my god some skin grafts and stuff to fix yeah
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let's uh oh let me just mention this in case it happens now because i see the time uh because around this time we're
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supposed to be getting a call from um the honorable john jacobski the minister of natural resources and force
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to break a story here on uh on our little about break it
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electronically he's actually breaking the story right now live in finland falls ontario
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the story is about something that he's been working on for about eight months in fact there was a
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petition on the government site all of last summer and a lot of us
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weighed in on it regarding cormorants and what we should do
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in terms of um trying to put a lid on this this this creature's explosiveness in
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terms of expansion it it is everywhere now i remember 10 15 years ago we were
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complaining about it here in southern ontario but northern ontario still didn't have any evidence
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of them well now you can go anywhere and there's cormorants and there are flotillas of cormorants
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even on outback lakes and they're destroying everything not just the fishery that's obviously
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paramount with us but um they're they're destroying the landscape
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they're destroying islands they're just shorelines anywhere where they uh take up residence they're leaving
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destruction behind so for years we've been talking about what do we do and uh the honorable
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minister yakumusky put it out there last summer and overwhelmingly he was told we need
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to call some kind of a call and try and get the uh
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the uh the the numbers down the population down so he's announcing right now as we speak
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and hopefully he'll come on the program here in the next little while and tell us the same thing uh there will be a cormorant call this
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september it's going to run from september to december apparently
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and uh i don't know anything else about it i don't know what
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the yeah yeah we can't speculate on something like that we have to hear from the horse's mouth but i mean it is what it is there can't
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be a whole lot more to it i mean i i i don't think it's going to be the wild west
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i don't think you know it's just going to be okay let's go out and have at it it's going to be very controlled
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but at least it's a step in the right direction and uh we'll see uh hopefully
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hopefully he'll come on he's trying but like i said he's announcing it as we speak live at an event so he said
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if i can if i can get off there and and uh sneak out to uh my phone
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i will uh we would love to come on and share it with our audience so uh hopefully john will uh will join us
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here uh shortly
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you know what there's i have to say that i've did a lot of duck hunting in my day
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and there's there's so many ethical hunters out there that i can't see this
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even though we all want them gone let's just be honest there's a lot of people that want these cormorants at least tamed down if not
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gone completely there's so many ethical hunters out there like really people think that these guys get their guns they get their camo or
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gear on and they put their chest waiters out and they go out smash everything that they can let's shoot this let's do that and this is the other
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that is so not true that i mean i'm gonna stick up for the hundreds here in that good hunters like everything it's like
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bad fisherman they're going to catch everything keep everything out of season doesn't matter there's but there's bad and everything
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but for the most part hunters are so ethical they care more about wildlife than anybody else out there
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i guarantee you they care more about wildlife than peta cares about wildlife he was out there to make money on this
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these guys are out there to have a good harvest have their deer this year and get the meat and then next year a good hunt if
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they don't get one well i'll go for the next year we'll just keep it going you know what i mean they're they know their money is going into it
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properly and they're and they're not doing everything they need this is more
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this goes beyond ethical hunting though i mean this make no mistake about it
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this this uh this bird this this cormorant
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did you push the last one trying to find
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them that was an accident that happened
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perfect how's that for an accident that i haven't shared another image i can't remember how i did this
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as you're doing this i don't know how to do this now but go ahead sorry i'll try and figure this out this
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goes beyond you know uh ethical hunting this is a problem this is a very serious
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anybody and and and i'm sure there's very few if any of you watching this uh
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this uh webcast but if anybody out there is doesn't realize just how much
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destruction this bird is leaving behind everywhere it goes
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man there's something wrong you see that yeah
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i'm gonna gotta get this i gotta get that it's metallica's album called kill em
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all [Laughter] as soon as i heard that
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here's what we need eddie this is
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they leave so much destruction behind and and and it's funny because the people who have been trying to
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protect the cormorant and currently are trying to stop this from taking place this call
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don't obviously have total disregard for the the creatures
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that the cormorant is destroying that i mean that's really why i can think about it you see see that see the thing about hunters you
45:53
mentioned hunters uh they're the greatest conservationists on the planet albeit maybe for selfish reasons because
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they know that if they keep that perfect harmony that perfect balance of nature they're going to be able to
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hunt for generations upon generations whatever the motive is it doesn't matter
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to me because they get it they know that that our humans we need to keep that harmony in
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that balance the problem with and i might as well call a spade a spade the problem with tree huggers
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they don't think that way because they're willing to sacrifice one piece of nature for another they're
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willing to trade it off whereas most outdoors people hunters for the most part they're not willing to
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trade anything off yeah they want to work it so that it's perfectly
46:45
neutral and everybody flourishes and prospers in their in their way of thinking where's tree
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huggers no they don't care they don't care they'll save a tree and kill a swamp they don't care
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you know i love the way you're i love the way you're calling them tree huggers because in this perfect scenario if they were to hug the
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trees that the cormorants roost in they'd be hugging a dead tree full of cormorant [ __ ] that was killed by
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ammonia okay that's exactly because they devastate trees in particular they they when
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they're roosting these trees they poop in the trees and then there's ammonia and they're poop and they just wipes out they'll wipe out
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an entire island of trees you'll see it out the people look around sometimes you don't even notice you say
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wow why is that all the trees the least dead in that one little area there and then everything else is green because the cormorants are
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on that tree and they're pooping they're just killing it so tree huggers they can't hug those trees because those trees are dead
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so it's a good point i love that yeah they they they don't realize it so you're trying to save one but that one
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is destroying everything else so i don't get it i don't understand the thinking process for me it's very
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simple they're thinking because they don't think we know that they know they'll just say oh let's just
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pretend we uh we're going to save the cormorants and look like heroes doing that and they look we won't tell them about the trees we'll tell them about
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the devastation but this that and the other we'll just tell them about what we're doing here for the good of the cormorant and people buy into that oh
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oh really oh good for you so yeah it's uh i'm so glad that we have a
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minister in place that um that you know thinks a little differently and is not afraid
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to uh to put his mark on things he's not afraid of the backlash because i'm sure that that that when this announcement is made
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while it's being made as we speak he's going to get a ton of uh
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hopefully he'll come on the program and uh and share that great news with us but i got to be honest with you pete i'm
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seriously contemplating and i don't know what the arrangement is going to be how
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it's going to be done and i'd love to go out and participate and you know
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yeah i would it'd be cool i think it'd be cool with your name all over it buddy my god
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i'll just do it we'll just share it boom boom back and forth yo you know what yeah it sounds cruel or
49:08
whatever but it's not cruel obviously you're calling for reasons they're not killing these things for no reason they're killing them for a reason and if you do it properly where you get
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rid of the carcasses you don't leave them laying out there do everything properly like that and have some fun at it too it's i mean
49:21
duck hunting is a is such an exciting fun sport part of that is getting the shot at making that great shot of a blue bird that's flying
49:28
30 miles an hour you know what i mean so you'd have some fun with it dude we'll get you out there
49:36
all right you know what i'm going to do right now i'm going to take a quick break where i'm going to have uh nick sit in
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for me i know you two went out uh yesterday and did some uh some stuff
49:46
out in the water i'm gonna give you a couple of minutes to reminisce about that all right okay
49:56
so i just set it up yeah so uh obviously shooting the tv stuff right
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now in lodges hello nick oh mickey v from fishing canada fame and
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of course you know what i mean so your name is ange on the screen but that's okay
50:12
um no respect buddy so just that to bring update everybody
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uh we want to shoot a lot of web stuff as well as uh tv stuff with the launches not being
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open right now we're stuck local shooting for tv and uh and and
50:29
so we got you know what we do some web stuff so oh go ahead we're being interrupted uh we have the minister waiting to come on sorry i've
50:36
got to break in i've got to break good
50:52
all right i understand the minister is uh has finally got through and we're going to bring him on
50:57
and hopefully he'll have some great news for us uh the honorable uh yakubu hey john
51:03
hey angelo peter you doing good we're up at uh sturgeon lake
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they've announced an opportunity to tour around that island just firsthand the devastation that uh
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cormorants have done to that island and also the fact that uh not only to the island itself but the
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effect they have on fish stocks 143 000 cormorants in this province of ontario eating a pound a day each
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uh has a massive effect on our fish stocks today we announced that we'll have a cormorant season uh open from september
51:35
15th to december 31st 2020 to give people an additional tool uh to
51:40
help control uh that population that has been growing in many areas of the province uh static in some other areas but not
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shrinking anywhere and since i've been an mpp for 17 years that's one of the questions i've been
51:53
asked repeatedly is when are we going to do something uh to control the cormorant population that is devastating
51:59
uh property and islands particularly islands here in ontario 344 colonies
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in the province uh continuing with that devastation we've listened to the people we've brought in a
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season short to a reasonable season september 15th to december 31st all regulations
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surrounding it you cannot you know you cannot abandon the the bird once it's been harvested you must dispose of it
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properly uh limiting to 15 a bag limit 15 per day so i think we've
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we've hit the sweet spot angelo based on all of the feedback we received all for those in favor
52:38
and those not in favor but i think we've we've landed in the right spot and thank you for having us on your your
52:43
new blog show oh thank you for for sharing that with us uh john we've been talking about
52:49
while we're waiting for this morning we're talking about uh the the whole philosophy behind it and
52:54
and and how um you know it's pretty easy for most people who are not into the
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outdoors most people who don't hunt and don't fish and don't enjoy nature for what
53:05
what the same way that we do it's pretty easy to say hey like what do you mean you're
53:10
going to call the cormorant like when you think about it you know if you if you don't
53:15
understand it it's pretty easy but when you start looking at it you just mentioned some numbers there that are staggering
53:22
if you just think 140 000 pounds per day that's about the weight of 50 small cars
53:28
angelo anybody can relate to that and and we
53:33
recognize there are some people that oppose what angelo you and i know there are people that oppose the harvest of any
53:39
uh of any animal and we respect that everybody's entitled to their views
53:44
but if they live on one of these lakes or if they visit one of these lakes even if they vacation on one of them and
53:50
see the effect and the number of birds on that lake and the smell around those islands that the
53:55
italian habit uh the effect of it is is is absolutely uh breathtaking no pun intended because i
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was trying to hold my breath when i was around that island but it i think people have a right to be able
54:08
to enjoy their property and without any real natural predators uh in the in the ecosystem uh steps had
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to be taken and this is not we're not going to endanger the population of cormorants we're going to make sure that there's a
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sustainable safe population but we don't we can't have uh situations where literally where i was
54:25
today thousands of comrades on one small island i mean that's just uh that's just not not just
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i don't think anybody can argue that that's not a healthy situation and quite frankly even the ministry of
54:37
health has agreed that there have been some illnesses uh uh transmitted in the water from around those islands
54:44
uh that they're not 100 certain of the origin but we certainly can't rule out that the amount of guano that is
54:50
and droppings around that area has an effect what's the range john what's the range
54:55
of these birds like is it i know that we used to see up in kenora you see them down in southern ontario they're all over the province are they
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just in certain areas or i know pretty well pretty well all over the province depending upon the time of uh you know they're later
55:07
the farther north you go the later they're going to get there and the sooner they're going to leave but these are migratory birds they come
55:13
as mexico they winter even as far as chile i'm not sure if the chili ones come here chilean ones come
55:18
here but they're they're they're a bird that is a certainly a problem uh in many areas and uh we're the first
55:25
government that has recognized the need to take some measures to give people an additional tool in that toolbox
55:30
to help control them uh in their in their environment john i i was gonna ask you until the
55:36
best of your knowledge has anything like this ever taken place before in this province where where the government
55:42
has come in and said hey i'm not aware of this i'm not i'm not aware that there's ever been a cormorant hunt because
55:48
angelo you and i are roughly the same age i know that i feel like a lot better i have to admit
55:54
but in our lifetime i there's never been anything like this but but we when i
56:00
when we were growing up we didn't have an exploded cormorant population either
56:05
cormorant was something we barely heard of and uh so since since the 1970s is when the
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they've they really exploded in in population and numbers john are you at liberty to give us any
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other details in terms of of yeah are there going to be restricted areas is there
56:23
a certain size of of of a projectile that can be used like
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what are the rules of red zones maximum maximum 10 gauge um
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limits per day you must dispose of the of the carcass there are a number of other regulations
56:40
that will be released as well and to be fair i don't even i don't have all of them on the top of my head because we just finished uh making
56:48
the announcement but uh they will be posted for everyone to see plainly as well
56:54
has there been anything uh before we let you guys have there been anything talked about regarding you know you mentioned
57:00
disposal is there any value to to can they be you know repurposed for
57:05
for for food for maybe animals i've heard that that uh that uh theory
57:13
uh potentially talked about uh i don't have any real data on it uh
57:18
most people would never eat one they'd be quite honest with you it would be not the most appetizing uh
57:23
thing to uh uh to eat uh but there is some talk of some potential
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uh just like dead stock animals are used in the you know in the in the animal feed business perhaps but
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i don't have any any concrete data on that okay and you know if you're if your
57:40
labrador retriever goes out to pick one up turns around and turns around and says i'm not bringing that back you know that thing's not good to eat okay just
57:46
to let you know when you're done that's a good yard
57:55
um go ahead john i was going to say do you think this would have been possible
58:02
and i i don't want to sort of make up scenarios here but do you think this would have been possible if we weren't in the middle of this this
58:09
insanity called a pandemic right now do you think this was part of the thinking here or or how did you deal
58:15
with it well we actually we actually passed the legislation uh last november uh it was part of our
58:22
legislation in the fall economic statement the pandemic and the uh
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needed time to get the regulatory stuff in place uh slowed it down but that's in a way
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that was a good thing because i think it gave us the opportunity to make sure we get it right so before i let you go one last comment
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i want to make now that we've got the cormorant situation done do you think we're going to have a two
58:46
rod carp regulation somewhere in the future well well i'm ready for it i need i need
58:52
the cooperation of my federal federal counterpart in the uh federal government but uh
58:57
we're certainly continuing to press on that and the pandemic has said what it wouldn't have happened this year even if
59:03
we did have the authority uh because of all of that most likely but we're still very hopeful for next
59:08
year and so perfect listen um we we appreciate you doing this with us today
59:14
i know you're right you're up to your elbows and stuff up there uh for you to take a break just means so much to us and i know our
59:21
audience absolutely appreciates it keep up the great work i've told you before uh thank god
59:26
we had this government in place when we hit this little roadblock in our history
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uh i wouldn't want anybody else at the helm looking after us right now so keep up the good work
59:38
thanks angelo appreciate you having us on take care all right take care uh the honorable john jacobski coming on
59:44
our program and breaking it live electronically how feeling is that that was awesome that is so awesome what
59:51
a great guy what a great guy john is um
59:56
right from the very first day that that he was appointed and you know he came in right behind another really
1:00:04
great minister as far as i was concerned um and so i was a little bit yeah you know
1:00:10
when when they first put him because i didn't know john prior to uh to him becoming minimal resources
1:00:15
jeff urich if you recall was was the minister for a short period of time and jeff was outstanding
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uh but i gotta tell you john is just he gets it yeah he understands that's so refreshing
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to have a wallet who understands you know so anyways so my question now
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going out we want to engage the audience a lot here how many of you people are going to participate in this cormorant
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call it's going to be perfectly legal uh are you are you waterfowl hunters to
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begin with and i'm sure you will because you transition into that no problem at all but those that maybe
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sometimes hunt maybe they don't hunt maybe they're thinking hunting or whatever would you get involved with the in the
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cormorant call i mean it's perfectly legal you're helping you're helping the cause
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i mean he does what he just said right 143 000 pounds of fish a day
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are being eaten by these things around the province i have a question for you he said there
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was 50 a limit of 15 a day 15 years a day yeah great so what would it cost
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it what's it going to cost me to get my limit every day
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well it would be i mean he said up to 10 gauge most guys gonna shoot a 12 gauge
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shotgun right this most popular game that 12 will knock him down i would recommend going i don't know
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how tough a cormorant is i know how tough merganzers or whistlers the diver ducks are and
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they're tough as nails so you want to go with the 12 gauge you want to have ample power out there um you're going to run the person that
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doesn't shoot a lot you're going to run through a few boxes of shells over there let me tell you just a little bit more
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um you're gonna ready i'd say you're gonna i don't i don't honestly i couldn't tell
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you i mean some guys are gonna be they're gonna be a crack shot they can do it for 20 bucks you know what i mean some people are going to be more than
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that for sure you know you know so safe to say it could it could be upwards of 50 bucks a day yeah sure
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all right i like there's no investment so there's going to be an investment by everybody right so so um it's not like we're all going
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to go out and just like i said it's not going to be the wild west i don't think it's wild west but it could be interesting
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it's going to be yeah you know because you're going to make sure to a tough bird like that
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you can count on a lot of those birds are going to take more than one shot for one bird so if you knock it down one
1:02:39
shot you want to put him out of his misery no matter what if you hate him love him whatever you got to put him out of misery real quick right so you're gonna put another one on top
1:02:45
or another two you know on top like that so there's three shots per bird sometimes right depends on how far they
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are et cetera et cetera so now you have to dispose of it
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which means you have to have a dog to retrieve that bird no because because a lot of doc hunters
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have a boat so go out and get with a boat canoe go out and get with the canoe chat waiters you go and wait out and get it like that so there's lots of ways of
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retrieving your birds see you've got to remember that anybody that's duck hunted is already retrieving their birds one way shape or form or
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another they don't leave them shoot them and leave it's not a sport right because they're delicious we eat them so you go your ducks you get it
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if you have a dog it's the best way of doing it he brings it back for you that's the best part of duck hunting but but yeah canoes we've done canoes
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waiters you got i've seen guys use a fishing rod to cast over the grappling hook and bring it in i've seen that even believe
1:03:32
it or not so can you uh because i'm i'm assuming you have to follow all the current regulations for for a
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foul a a hunting for waterfowl can you could we for example take fnc one out to
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some of those mid lake islands uh in lake ontario and and could we shoot from fnc one
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you the the rule used to be and i'm sure it's the same as long as the motor is not running you
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can shoot from your boat believe it or not so you set up that's why a lot of guys use
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boats to hunt out of right then my buddy hit man he just bought or he's going to buy this week on a duck hunting boat
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and it's designed for that 90 horsepower tiller motor on it you get it up to the spot as long as
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that motor is shut off you're anchored or whatever like that as long as the motor shut off you're legal to shoot so okay yeah
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um yeah put up some questions if you got questions about this well i'm excited as you can tell i mean this i i'm truly going to try and
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see if i can work it out and participate i think it'd be so cool uh paul wants this let's know allowing to shoot the
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cormorants gives you something to do during the afternoon when ducks and geese are not flying there you go because it's because i'll
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tell you what duck hunting and goose hunting is a morning and evening sport it's like it is unbelievable you know when you're
1:04:50
fishing you want to be there at the crack of damage because it might be nights might be a top water bite while not hunting i'll
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tell you what you've got to be there before light your decoys are really set up before life because the birds
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they're all doing this flying into the areas the swamps for feeding or resting or whatever and then and then
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yeah you know it slows right down at ten like nine o'clock in the morning sometimes you shut right down or not you know
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rarely see another bird so our good friend calvin says uh careful that you don't try and solve one problem
1:05:19
and create another okay calvin obviously you're you're you're fishing that's saying your next day which will be what problem is
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that calvin yeah what that problem is and we'll try and fix it for you right here
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we can do anything now that we've had a minister actually call into this program and participate we can do anything
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i think we're good well as a matter of fact we at 1 30 another 25 minutes
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we have kim the woman that was attacking the muskie she's going to be coming on at 1 30. so just winning well
1:05:50
so far we're going to hope for that we i've got news brought in here so just so you know that johnny kabuski might he might not get
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out done with that one but he's going to have an odd parallel with a woman that got attacked by a muskie
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so that's going to be pretty cool this will go down as the greatest episode we've ever done if we get around
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oh my god yeah all right think about it so i want kelvin i want kelvin to get back
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with that one uh on that day arthur how you doing buddy um i think
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the problem is going to come when one of these dead birds shows up on some tree hugger's lawn then we'll have
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another spring bear hunt situation good point yeah good point yep good that could be maybe what going into
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calvin calvin's saying too like we have to be responsible about this for sure and again i'll go back to it arthur i'm
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telling you i mean i don't know if you've done it or not but every time hunter that i know that have spent his money on shotguns on
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decoys and boats on the whole nine yards of gear and all that this is very ethical and and they they know this is a gift to
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them if they want if they want to help they don't have to speak cormorants they want to help they go do it now if you've got rednecks out
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there yeah that's good get them all and that way that's a problem and that's what i think the concern
1:07:03
should be is the idiots who you know are going to abuse this you know it for a fact they're out there
1:07:09
we have them in fishing now god only knows i know we have them in fishing i encountered them a few months ago but
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anyways ryan wants to know if 10 gauge is the only shotgun allowed and 10 gauge are banned under the new
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gun law how are you supposed to shoot these birds there's two things there number one they're not you heard them
1:07:32
wrong ryan he said uh 10 gauge or under so you can use 10 or 12 or 20 or 28 whatever you
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feel good with so he said he said the 10 gauge max or something like that because there are i think there are even bigger than
1:07:44
illegal guns out there like that um but and the other thing is that those new gun laws
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i think there are still it's a bore size right so there are some 10 gauge shotguns i think that can still be used
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if i'm not mistaken i'm not going to say that for sure we need somebody in the in the world of guns that could say that that would work but
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um i have a question um you know in in fishing for example
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we have areas where you're allowed a combination of so many of each species for a total sum
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of fish in your possession at any given time i wonder is there anything like this in
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in waterfowl hunting like you know six mallards and two this and one of
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that but only a combination of one of these and six of those and if so i wonder if cormac are gonna
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sort of upset that that that number i don't believe that unless there's
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something new to me you used to be able to when i on the docks a lot you'd have your two red heads your two
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cameras backs your six mallards yeah you're buy wood ducks if you've got them all you keep them all
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you know you're allowed to do that you're not going to get them all because it's never going to happen wood ducks won't shoot a limited wood box where
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you're going to shoot a limited canvas backs you're not going to you know what i mean it's just there's different environments and
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teal and that but yeah east you're allowed your own geese on top of your ducks etc etc so you could so in a day if you
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were a traveling hunter you could go travel and shoot different species if you wanted well i love the comment we got earlier on about this
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is a great you know mid-afternoon break from your hunt right your early morning late late at night hunt this is a great way to spend
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the rest of the day out in the field enjoying what you what you think now you entrepreneurs you
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may have to invent some cormorant decoys real quick okay
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do you think you need him oh yeah yeah you want to get a good shot at him
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you want to make sure you get him in range right you got to remember like this is another misconception that people get you see
1:09:51
ducks and geese flying over and they're flying over at 75 80 yards away or more thinking wow those
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guys can shoot you can't shoot a bird at 100 yards away there's no gun in this earth that'll knock that down 100 yards away no shotgun that's
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legal with steel shot on the water et cetera you gotta you gotta have it in good range so
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a good range for a tough bird like that is 30 yards okay that's 100 feet 100 feet
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you go 40 yards on that bird you might just [ __ ] him if he takes off so yeah you want to make sure 20 to 30 is beauty you know so now
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thinking back of all the cormorant exchanges that we've had encounters um yeah
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they'd be pretty skittish at 100 feet wouldn't they oh yeah oh yeah they're farther away than you think but most of the ones we've seen
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are not in range they're not i mean the ones you see the one you're when you're driving your boat they're not getting out of the way
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until finally they fly out the water you skid her up a big flop finally they get the hell out of the way those are
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the ones you get close to but so for them to decoy except that's why i said you'd probably need decoys because they're hanging around with each other
1:10:54
right typical of ducks too they're not just going to land boom in front of you in a blind there's nothing else in front of you
1:10:59
they're gonna they're gonna you're gonna need to decoy them in and and attract them somewhere somehow so you
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you're gonna see people starting to now sell cormorant decoys i'll bet nothing's legal it's gonna happen for sure
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for sure sure for sure and and i know that it's not ethical to shoot uh
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ducks if they're on the water right that's kind of the it's not ethical it's legal but you can't
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yeah it's just not ethical or something like some guys don't care they want to shoot for for me but they can do that all right
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that's with ducks now i don't think ethics is
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going to enter into the cormorant hunt though right yeah what i'm saying is we've we've seen so
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many times where where they completely over overcrowd a little island and and they're roosting in every possible
1:11:51
little twig and tree and right so you could technically and and
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and those birds are are not very timid when they're in that environment as you know we've we've gone up to them
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with our boat i guess you could do that you could you could
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and one shot you could take out i don't know 20 30 birds no no okay that's that's a good point so
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yes that would be one good way of getting them because what you'll do is you'll be able to set up for your second and third shot you're only allowed three
1:12:23
shots in your shotgun right so three shells for waterfowl hunting so so you take that one or maybe two birds out of the
1:12:30
tree if he's in a tree let's say street or nesting on the ground we'll see nesting on the ground because then you get
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more than than one bird but it's still even if they're grouped tightly your
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shotgun pattern is only 30 inches or something like that you know in good dead kill range
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so i might i'm maybe a little off on that one but so you might get two or three birds on
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that first shot you know you're not going to get 20 or 30. when they start flying in that big flock and going away
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the big misconception that people have is they're going to flock shoot and they're going to get a bunch of them well you learn very quickly as a duck
1:13:04
hunter that you pick one bird you make sure you pick one bird and aim for that bird and then you get him you
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might get a second burp if you're lucky but pretty often most often you don't believe it or not
1:13:16
so that shotgun shell goes out there quick it goes fast but it doesn't spread to a to this kill range of a hundred percent
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or you know ten birds or five birds you know i've been i've i've shot two ducks in the air at one time
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about five times in my life you know and and very very if you're trying to do
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that you probably won't as soon as you start block shooting it's it's weird i don't know why i mean we should have
1:13:40
mallards out of a field and i was really young and they came in that we had the spot they were coming in
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in droves and i couldn't hit one i'm thinking why can't i kill a duck i'm shooting another
1:13:52
30 of them up there because i was blocked and never picked one out you know what i mean as weird as it sounds and there was tons of them but you know they just you
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gotta pick up her notes so but going on to that tree absolutely so what you did you
1:14:05
boom you hit that first bird under the tree now you're set up with two more shots they're all gonna get out of the tree now you
1:14:10
you could get a triple very easily on that you know what i mean if you're a good job alvin says the optics look good
1:14:15
but this could get dangerous if not strictly controlled of course yes yeah anything could be you
1:14:22
know yeah yeah any hunting but this one this one has the the the possibility i think of
1:14:29
he's right of it becoming because oh because of what it is
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and because um people who are going to go shoot them well i just told you i would
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contemplate doing it and i'm not a hunter so when you put
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like me into that scenario it can get ugly perfectly right because
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i'll take your safety course you'd have to go now and get your hundred safety courses you need a hunting license and all that right so you do get some
1:15:00
you do get some knowledge by taking these courses because they are very good they're thorough yeah yeah they don't
1:15:06
learn everything other that so you mean most hunting stuff you learn out in the field et cetera it's just like fishing and all that but
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but you got to also remember calvin you got to remember this too we're not shooting rifles as waterfowl hunters we're shooting
1:15:18
shotguns and the the kill range as i've been talking about is very short a right 22 rifle because danger's
1:15:25
up to a mile a little shotgun is only dangerous of 200 yards i'll let anybody shoot me at 200 yards
1:15:31
with a 20-gauge shotgun i'll stand there with a t-shirt it'll hurt a little bit but he's not gonna do it you know it might not even
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make it it probably wouldn't even make it don't try this at home kids okay that's not what he's saying
1:15:43
he didn't mean that i said me shoot me don't shoot them shoot me
1:15:49
you take me out but anyways gun in hand so there's going to be
1:15:55
safety issues but let's all be smart and careful about it and then take care of business and
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save 143 000 pounds of fish a day if not that much because we're not going to kill them all but let's save a hundred thousand pounds of fish a day
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i was imagine your imagination i saw earlier on a couple of comments regarding uh
1:16:13
the fishery walleye fish uh walleye in a particular lake uh that the numbers had you know and we
1:16:19
don't even think about this but it's it's the truth everything that's happened i think in
1:16:24
the last five to eight years in terms of depletion of our of our wild uh
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fisheries and some of these especially especially the closed uh outback lakes um i
1:16:37
don't think we we put the cormorant uh uh uh in front of the uh in front of
1:16:44
the uh the committee often enough with regards to there it is there while i populately dropped in a small
1:16:50
lake near me the cormorants destroyed the island but last year they mysteriously disappeared and already
1:16:56
this year the walleye seemed to be back again or more active again and i don't i
1:17:02
think that's coincidence it won't recover that quickly but um
1:17:09
i do think that there's less pressure on them if if the cormorants are gone those fish have are less pressured
1:17:16
because they get as much pressure if not more from a flotilla of cormorants than they
1:17:21
will from an angler any day all day every day long right so
1:17:26
i agree i see some difference but we're not going to see a difference in terms of actual numbers right away it'll take
1:17:32
years i wonder if though think about this one because i can't remember what his name was they just
1:17:38
said it was a good point but um but what if the walleye changed and go in protective mode
1:17:44
because of the armor and so now they go deeper they try to go deeper than the than what they saw all of a sudden they're deeper for the whole season or
1:17:50
two seasons and now that the cormorants aren't around you know okay you know what we can go back for normal i wonder if they they would be
1:17:56
smart enough to do that right they got to be fighting for their life right so you could notice the the
1:18:01
behavioral difference of walleye not the numbers as answers saying because you won't but the behavioral difference might be a change in year to year and when the
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karmas are gone they start coming back up and doing their normal thing again maybe especially in lakes that are not
1:18:13
noted you know like we'll take lake skough because that's the easiest one to point out right now because it's closed the fishing uh the
1:18:19
the walleye population has declined so drastically in that body water that uh it's now shut down but but
1:18:26
taking a lake like i don't think that would be the case i think in this skoogog
1:18:32
it's it is definitely uh a dwindling uh inventory you know we're uh but in
1:18:40
open lakes you know where where they don't have that great uh weed cover yeah i think
1:18:45
depth is their only and even so we've seen how deep these cormorants can go right i mean
1:18:52
so they're ridiculous they're they're they're insane in terms of uh once they they've they're they've got
1:18:59
something in sight they'll chase it down to the very bottom of that that lake so i scuba dove
1:19:05
remember that uh dive i did with brian from next door dive source uh we did up on the lawrence river and
1:19:10
we we there we dove a wreck and then we came back up and fished it well during that dive
1:19:16
we actually saw a cormorant feeding down under the water there and you would
1:19:22
not believe people that you're watching here you would not believe how fast how much of a feeding machine and how
1:19:27
devastatingly killing a killer instinct that thing has when it's swimming around under that water in current
1:19:33
it was unbelievable how fast it was going it was swimming faster than fish like to catch a fish
1:19:38
under water with your hands you can't do it it's a human you can't even do it think about how fast cormorant must be
1:19:44
as how much of a killing machine he is to be able to do that underwater it was crazy when i saw it
1:19:50
i saw that that uh i remember remember you talking about that when you went on a shoot here's another question for you here's
1:19:56
another question i have and i don't know whether anybody watching this can please feel free to jump in so we've
1:20:02
already agreed the minister himself already said that you know they're not really good for eating
1:20:09
and you've said that yourself but i have a question about that so these fish or these fish these birds
1:20:17
feed on fish right that's all we beat up it's not like they do the dump like a bear
1:20:22
okay these birds eat one thing and one thing only they eat our fish we fish for these fish
1:20:28
in order to catch them and consume them right we love we talked earlier on we talked an hour and a half ago but how wonderful it is
1:20:35
to have a feed of truth right right can you explain to me why in
1:20:41
the hell these birds would not be at the very top of the most wanted list when it comes to
1:20:48
culinary delights okay so i can't give you the scientific proof
1:20:54
of it but i can give you the pete bowman's biting into one of the dirty sons of
1:20:59
[ __ ] cousins uh okay so the first time i ever tried i
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thought why is merganzer not captain killed and eaten and all that so i killed meganzer
1:21:11
because i wanted to try to eat it and the first thing is you almost puke your guts out when you cut them open because the fish smell in there
1:21:17
it was the worst thing i ever smelled likes it's like oh my god this ain't a duck what the hell is what is this thing i just cut open like that
1:21:24
the meat is i don't even know how to explain it but they think that because they don't just
1:21:29
eat uh perch they eat zebra mussels don't need
1:21:35
snails they'll eat anything crustaceans they'll eat all of it right so i'm sure that some of that probably isn't as good as other
1:21:41
meat i'm not sure i'm just guessing in this one and it just turns into more of a rancid bird and when you cut
1:21:47
it open than that and even the meat when you cut your bread like you're not going to cut the legs you're not going to certainly not want to bake it
1:21:53
make it in the oven right because with all the fish crap that comes right out the back you can so you cut
1:21:58
the breasts out you say okay at least i can do that you marinate the house i would go to whistlers after that i tried that i
1:22:04
i did not even eat the bird so whistler is like a diver duck that prominently eats primarily
1:22:11
fish or snails or whatever in the in the winter in the late fall you know december hunting let's say
1:22:18
those birds i'll breast them off i will literally soak them in salt water for two days
1:22:24
to get rid of all the blood and all the extra taste that it has and only then and
1:22:30
there will i i'll fry them and it'll taste like fried liver which some people love right so it does taste good but it takes
1:22:37
a lot of preparation to get versus a mallard you can kill out of a cornfield and eat that same
1:22:42
an hour after you do it like that so there's something about the fish getting into their body into their blood
1:22:48
into their stream that makes them not pleasant to eat that's all i can say
1:22:53
if you take a wood dog and compare it you could eat a wood duck and compare it to a cormorant i put them
1:22:58
both on your plate and i guarantee you're going to like one and the other one i don't know what the hell you're going to think of it's like you are you are what you eat
1:23:05
right uh scott stewart says i love canada goose
1:23:10
but the resident ones on vancouver island taste like [ __ ]
1:23:18
a lot of crap that's a great point you see and news is
1:23:25
eating and the wild goose is great eating corn fed goose ones that eat the beets or the lakes
1:23:30
they're all good but so you it's a real shame because think about it
1:23:35
if if if if we could get over that and maybe maybe somebody comes up with a way of
1:23:42
i don't know marinating them or i don't even know but somehow
1:23:50
what a wonderful story that would be if we did nothing else other than bring all of these
1:23:57
birds to a center somewhere and then they were treated and they were
1:24:02
they were dressed and all that and they went to to feed the homeless yeah exactly what a wonderful story
1:24:09
right that would be so nice listen uh to change the subject kim apparently is in the waiting room the
1:24:16
muskie victim so i think we've got to get her around more sooner than later right here we go here we go this is about the
1:24:23
story that i talked about uh about a half hour ago a manitoba woman and her husband were
1:24:29
fishing in manaki ontario on the winnipeg river well i'm assuming they were fishing
1:24:34
we're going to find out here in a minute and lo and behold she was accosted by a muskie
1:24:42
wow big enough to drag her under the water and uh she joins us now
1:24:50
and i really appreciate you joining us good morning kim good morning
1:24:57
hi guys oh first of all thank you so much for joining us uh we know you
1:25:03
i'm sure you're feeling a lot of uh phone calls and messages and and everybody wants you on but
1:25:09
uh it's so interesting for us for a number of reasons uh we we we are you know we love fishing
1:25:17
for musky have been most of our lives a lot of the folks who are on watching this with us have grown up
1:25:23
fishing muskie but this puts a whole new slant on that species can you tell us what happened walk us
1:25:30
through the whole the whole process if you could well there was about 10 to 12 of us we
1:25:36
were down on the beach at northstar village just floating on floaties and then we
1:25:42
decided to hop in the water and go for a swim and i was just standing there and
1:25:47
oh the water was just up to my chest and all of a sudden i felt this thing
1:25:54
brush up against my left leg i thought it was weeds or something that rubbed on me and then
1:26:00
all of a sudden they grabbed my right leg and i looked down and it was uh huge musky
1:26:10
both of you guys fish right both of you are anglers have you ever seen or heard of anything
1:26:16
like this before in your lives i've heard of people if they sit on their docks and have them
1:26:22
hanging over but i have never heard of a fish actually coming up and grabbing a
1:26:29
hold of you and pulling you under so i was saying earlier i thought you know
1:26:35
i thought maybe it was we were speculating because we've been out i mean so we see a lot of times in the world of muskie and pike and big
1:26:41
predator fish with it where a fish is swimming along and they grab like that right but you're saying you're
1:26:47
your legs were in a vertical position and he came over and grabbed like this fabric like that right it came in and
1:26:53
turned and t-boned her in the castle that is incredible that is crazier than crazy and that has
1:27:00
continued to thrash hard enough and pull to pull her head under the water from a standing
1:27:06
position that's and there was all of us standing there literally 20 feet away from her
1:27:12
in disbelief like we're not even sure what's going on yeah have you guys ever fished that area
1:27:20
for musky there has been many people that cast lures across there and have raised them
1:27:27
a friend of mine actually had a big one very close to that vicinity a couple of
1:27:33
weeks ago but he had no help so it got off he couldn't get to the net so he estimated that one to be around 50
1:27:40
inches so wow oh yeah there's definitely lots in the area but nobody ever thinks that
1:27:46
they just away from people that's that's all we've ever seen uh you
1:27:53
know as as we pursue these creatures it it that that's why this behooves us
1:27:59
because it's such an unusual thing to happen with this animal
1:28:04
it's just what's the water right there could you get a good look at the fish
1:28:10
clear down there was actually a little tainted turtle swimming around bobbing around with us while we were
1:28:17
swimming and i think it might actually been screaming get out
1:28:23
if turtles could talk right
1:28:40
yeah the bite width like on the bite runner and if anybody can measure
1:28:46
it probably forever because there it was around seven inches wide wow i've googled
1:28:54
48 inch muskies where the guy would have had a measuring stick inside his mouth and it was five and a half inches wide
1:29:01
really yes sorry you plus that's the thing seven inches wide right terry
1:29:10
i i want to take you back to that moment if if we could so you're you're you're you're
1:29:16
in the water with your wife and you guys have done this by the way you've been visiting that area since 207
1:29:21
i believe so you're very familiar with that whole stretch and everything else you probably you've probably done this a hundred times i'm
1:29:26
assuming yes yes so so you're you're standing there in the water with your wife
1:29:31
and all of a sudden she behaves in a totally irrational manner i'm assuming that that's kind of what the first thing
1:29:37
that you see but what's going through your head when you know there's something going on down
1:29:42
there like you're not thinking this is a giant muskie pulling my wife down down into the water like what's going
1:29:49
through your head at that moment i i thought maybe she got stung by a horse
1:29:54
fly in the back or something and was just trying to get it off her back i had no idea it was
1:29:59
the most like surreal scene like there there was numerous people standing there
1:30:06
just going uh what's going on like nobody had a clue
1:30:12
well we still didn't have a clue until she got closer to shore and then we could see the clouds of blood in the water and
1:30:19
it literally looked like something out of jaws
1:30:24
how long did it have a hold i mean you couldn't time it but was it like uh five seconds and maybe three seconds it
1:30:31
just did it stay on there i honestly don't really remember
1:30:36
all because i remember it grabbing me and then thrashing me and then pulling me under and all i kept
1:30:43
doing was kicking and hitting it with my hands because i do have cuts on my hands
1:30:48
so maybe about 5-10 seconds it lasted but it seemed like it lasted forever
1:30:54
oh my god what happened then it just decided to let go at that point i guess so and then once i
1:31:02
got back up onto the surface and was really screaming
1:31:08
then yeah then people actually realized that you know what kim's not joking around here there's something seriously
1:31:13
going on are you talking like completely
1:31:21
submerged under the water yanked my leg down it
1:31:26
pulled me right under wow oh my god wow that is incredible what about
1:31:33
so now kim you have not had plastic surgery as of yet is there time to heal or something like that what's going to be the next step go and
1:31:41
see the plastic surgeon in three weeks and he wants to see how the skin is growing
1:31:47
and then after six weeks he said we'll figure out what our plan will be
1:31:52
to cover up all the scars i'm gonna have
1:32:04
anybody watching this right now i'm sure they're in total shock just like we are because we live
1:32:09
and play in that arena yeah probably at least you know two or
1:32:14
three days a week all of us we we swim and we we have our children
1:32:19
swimming playing and in water that we know there there are literally hundreds if not thousands of musky
1:32:27
how did this change that for you folks what what can you uh what can you help us
1:32:33
with because right now we're we're all feeling i'm sure i'm not the only one
1:32:38
we're all feeling a little bit concerned here yeah what can you tell us all right i i don't
1:32:44
have any intention of going swimming again anytime soon i'm honestly i'm terrified i told my
1:32:50
husband this weekend we're gonna head back out to the lake and i said i'm not even going in the fish
1:32:55
in the boat to go fishing i'm just going to stay up in our trailer and
1:33:00
i don't want to go down near the docks or the water because all i keep thinking is that she's
1:33:06
probably there somewhere and she's just watching and it scares the crap out of me
1:33:12
yeah yeah and justifiably so i mean that traumatic experience right that's something that
1:33:19
i mean i just have constant nightmares i mean that'll eventually go away but
1:33:26
it's only been four days since it happened and yeah it's very traumatizing yeah i think
1:33:32
it's gonna be a few more weeks before the reality of this thing sets in with both of you i'll bet oh yeah because right now you're still
1:33:40
just the the adrenaline is going to be insane i mean it's wow
1:33:46
i've been helping with dressing changes every night wonderful thing have you
1:33:52
if either one of you ever had an injury fish before you know i know pete and i we we hook
1:33:57
ourselves all the time or or we'll we'll get bit by a fish when we're trying to you know take a hook out
1:34:03
does that happen to you guys before well well we walleye fish like i'm not a muskie fisherman
1:34:09
and we walleye fish and i mean yeah you have the fish and you'll get the little cut from their fins or something but
1:34:16
nothing no we have brought up several muskie on our walleyes or small balls and they've been shredded i even got a
1:34:23
couple in the net we had them in the boats she knows what a muskie looks like pulls up but oh my god yeah
1:34:30
you know what that fish exactly and it shows the aggressiveness
1:34:35
of of a muskie or a pike even because we've had pike do the same thing but they and they're fearless right and they i
1:34:41
mean obviously it didn't know kim was a human or anything but it didn't care what it was
1:34:46
it just grabbed a hold of them that it wanted you know it was thinking food or whatever or maybe an attack i doubt that like it was
1:34:53
food obviously in their mind but they don't care when they get a big musky like that gets on the roll it's the king
1:34:58
of the king of the water right the lion of the jungle i i would like to sort of uh
1:35:03
throw this out there if i could i i believe that this was a very rare moment yeah
1:35:09
um i i i i don't think that you know we need to all be afraid of musky
1:35:15
attacking us from now on because this is such a rare story we looked when we first heard about it yesterday
1:35:22
we spent all day researching to see when when did we have the last actual documented
1:35:28
real honest goodness case of a human being being attacked by a muskie and we can't
1:35:34
find any so so this is such a rare occasion you know this is that perfect storm that
1:35:40
only comes by once in a lifetime i'm sure we have to we have to think that way because otherwise
1:35:47
who who would ever collect water you know so you guys need to know that this this was
1:35:52
uh for whatever reason this was just once in a lifetime it happened you were in the wrong place at
1:35:58
the wrong time um and uh man oh man i i just
1:36:04
i i i just can't put myself in your position both of you uh obviously more so kim because you experience it but for you terry to see
1:36:10
your wife being dragged under the water and that's just i can't even imagine
1:36:15
what that is like it was horrifying she was horrified obviously luckily for us at the time the people we
1:36:22
were in the water with and our family out at north star village all of our friends two of them are
1:36:29
nurses two of them are opp officers so luckily for me so i got my
1:36:34
own issues with my feet that's another story but luckily for me they were there to help because
1:36:40
they took care of everything and i went up and got my truck came back she was
1:36:45
ready to go to the hospital so that was fantastic because without those people i have no idea what i would have done
1:36:52
you know i wrote a little article about this uh little blog about this that it's being posted today and and i
1:36:58
refer to it as the craziest year that we any of us will ever have to endure
1:37:03
uh obviously covet is is high on our list but there's been a few strange things happening this year this is going to be
1:37:10
in our top 10 i'll guarantee you for 2020 we're going to be talking about this time
1:37:16
and it's just one of those things and how ironic is it that it comes during i know people are gonna laugh at
1:37:23
me it comes during shark week on discovery right now yeah and you know what else was starting in
1:37:28
manaki that day the locals muskie hunt started that day
1:37:33
it's still on right now no way oh my god
1:37:39
wow that is just unbelievable folks i i can't thank you enough for joining
1:37:45
us there aren't any words for us all we we we feel with when we saw and heard about the story we uh
1:37:52
we all uh were there with you because we spent a lot of time in those waters too we have fished those waters
1:37:58
and and uh for you to come on the show and talk to us in person that's just that
1:38:03
it was the moment we had a moment of disbelief obviously because kim you as you know you've never heard of it
1:38:09
before we've never we lived fishing we've never heard of it really like that and the story when we read the story about what
1:38:14
happened to you so thank you for coming on and proving to the vet the world you know that this is the
1:38:19
reality it doesn't matter yeah that's another reason why we're so
1:38:25
kim doesn't want to do this kind of stuff anymore i'm just trying to tell her get the rights oreo because
1:38:32
she's reading stuff on social media and she's getting angry because you know people are saying uh
1:38:39
some of the most ridiculous things ever
1:38:53
i will leave you with this message there are a lot of kooks out on the internet um and this seems to bring the best out
1:39:01
in them or the worst depending on which side you're on we've experienced it ourselves don't let
1:39:07
it get you down they're going to be there and it doesn't matter what the issue is they lurk in those weeds
1:39:14
um don't take it personal but uh once again i want to thank you for for joining us and uh let's stay in
1:39:21
touch let's let's see how you i'd love to kim i would love to have you back on the program
1:39:26
um you know in a few months or or or thereabouts and uh i would like to
1:39:32
hear that that you're back in the saddle you're fishing again uh you won't let this one
1:39:39
isolated little speck in time affect the way you look at things
1:39:45
because i can tell from both of you speaking to you that you've got great attitude and great outlook on life
1:39:51
don't let this change it it it's a one in a million hey you just won a lottery let's put it that way
1:39:57
we'll be buying tickets exactly i appreciate it you take care of there
1:40:03
and uh we'll talk to you again all right thank you very much and i'd just like to say the 2020
1:40:09
enough already well said well said wow that's well you got it
1:40:16
from the mouth on that one literally that's that's scary man that's like
1:40:23
because i know a lot of people when you just caught up with muskie legs they don't want it in the leg just when they see a must
1:40:29
like that and you know you're asking how whatever this is that's the reality yeah you're one in one in a million or one in a
1:40:35
billion or whatever but being odds but it happened right here's what i'm afraid of i'm afraid of
1:40:41
you know this thing's good it's got legs already but it those legs are going to grow in in the days and weeks to come
1:40:47
as this story percolates and expands and uh and gets out in social media
1:40:55
um i i i want to just make sure we all understand this is a
1:41:02
very very extremely rare yeah and it might it might be a one-off
1:41:10
and if anybody's got uh any information that would lead us to discovering a similar story i'd like
1:41:16
i'd love for you to reach out to us but i think it's a one of uh i just think it was the perfect storm
1:41:22
everything led to this i don't think we can put anything
1:41:29
the reason i'm saying is my daughter nikki's mother
1:41:34
she has been terrified for years about going in water both salt water and fresh
1:41:41
and for years i have reassured her that it's okay
1:41:46
and a story like this could affect a person like that in a very negative
1:41:51
way so i i just you know it really
1:41:57
the same in the same sense being like we look at it like like and said the odds are ridiculous that will happen i mean i
1:42:03
swam my whole life i've never ever had that and everybody watching here on the side bars watching us today has never had it
1:42:09
happen i'll pretty much guarantee that you know i mean so the odds are and you know what you really what we would appreciate
1:42:15
and i know yeah everybody would appreciate is a few people
1:42:21
share this actual cast with other people to see the real story of what happened if you can get that put
1:42:27
on your facebook pages because because the riot game's right social media idiots out there that want to take this and then
1:42:33
flew into something kind of crap so if you can share this on your pages tell people please check out this this interview
1:42:41
that anger pete had with the real victim here and then they will hear the story uh that we'd appreciate that and i think
1:42:48
the whole fishing community would appreciate that too so yeah let them let them let them see how
1:42:53
genuine those two are yeah they were like they were serious
1:42:58
and yeah there's gonna be trolls out there we we know who you are we've we've experienced you yeah you're gonna do
1:43:03
your big thing and that's fine for for the rest of us out there um
1:43:09
let people know that they're sitting on the sidelines that that this interview is available and that they can
1:43:15
they can view it themselves and make a decision uh based on yeah let me give bring back a little instance
1:43:21
here about internet trolls so we we had uh uh some complaints a while back about the way ange and i
1:43:27
handled muskies one guy come on there and and in particular this guy came on and uh and he said you
1:43:34
guys are dicks you don't know anything about musky fishing and all that so
1:43:40
and looked him up he did what they reversed trolled them in a way he looked up this guy
1:43:45
uh reggie right i'll just say just call him reggie and aunts found this picture of reggie
1:43:50
holding up a muskie in the proper position so under the underneath everything's beautiful not upright like this like
1:43:57
that my problem was reggie's fish was covered in blood streaks all these streaks of blood got all the
1:44:02
way down and he was proudly displaying this us facebook page that he slagged the [ __ ] out of us for holding our muskies
1:44:08
in the world whatever we did wrong with whatever customer like that so i mean the comment of the year was
1:44:14
when pete turner got on there and he says hey reggie that's the nice picture you got what did you catch that fish with a baseball bat
1:44:20
and then that was it got said at all and then reggie shut up when he apologized to us and blah blah blah
1:44:25
there's going to be trolls out there all the time you call them out sometimes they'll come come you know turn around they're just
1:44:31
trying to be a tough guy out there on the internet so it's going to happen and in a case like this it's unfortunate
1:44:36
with a bead whacker yeah okay weed wrecker's going to leave that pattern like that we biker's going to pull you under the
1:44:42
water you know come on get with the people idiot that would make it like that
1:44:49
you know life go someplace else go off planet please take all of your buddies with you
1:44:56
because all of you guys are heroes and you deserve to have your own planet this is good enough for you yeah exactly
1:45:03
they know it all they do it all so yeah that's that's uh by the way i want
1:45:09
to uh just highlight something our i keep referring to our crack
1:45:14
research department and joking and uh sometimes sounding a little
1:45:20
disparaging maybe i'm a little bit of a sarcastic sob as most people no you are not you know
1:45:27
sometimes i'm see see by the way by the way a journalist a salary is
1:45:34
forty three thousand one hundred and seventy eight dollars just in canada just let you know for the crowd so oh did mike post that
1:45:41
i wanna know i
1:45:47
okay well they're gonna have to take a pay cut if they want that job i guess but it's an honorable position i think
1:45:52
i think they should not go for it um um sarah uh who
1:45:58
doesn't get enough credit sarah pollock who works here at pine post productions and
1:46:05
jordan uh both of these uh individuals were saddled with this story
1:46:11
late this morning and i said to both of them try actually i gave them both problems
1:46:17
both this this show was was going in a whole different direction up until about 10 o'clock this morning and then we had two
1:46:24
major stories break and i asked them to get us interviews with both of the
1:46:30
the people that were breaking these stories one was the minister of natural resources and the other one
1:46:35
uh was was the story about this muskie attack and i got to tell you i am not only
1:46:42
proud of them i was shocked when when things started unfolding here live because this was all live folks we
1:46:48
didn't know whether we'd have either one of these stories live for you today when we went on at noon and uh i was
1:46:54
shocked that both of them came through and i'm so proud of our team you have absolutely no idea
1:47:00
how this makes me feel that we we're capable of pulling this stuff off so hats off to sarah and jordan and mike
1:47:07
um for uh for putting this together today it's fantastic work guys great team absolutely here we go here
1:47:14
look pretty that's all we have to do right i don't know about you i mean you you wow you work a little
1:47:20
bit
1:47:29
when i had the longer hair i had the i got that like remember that one trade show we had the big banners up there there were people waiting for bono's
1:47:36
autograph at the fishing booth because they thought it was coming i'm expecting somebody the guy on the
1:47:41
right looks like the hedgehog [Laughter] you wish ronnie
1:47:49
anyways cool this is a wacky show this was uh this was uh uh
1:47:57
unbelievable so that's all i can say right now and i'm i'm happy i'm happy we've uh we have fulfilled
1:48:03
everything that we wanted to accomplish today and then some um you people got an opportunity
1:48:09
to to experience two things firsthand both of those were a first and uh and we
1:48:15
all did it together which is uh unbelievable maybe we should quit while we're ahead i think
1:48:21
it's a good time right now buddy i think you know what we've covered everything we have on our list we got extras in like george costanza
1:48:28
you go out on a high because if you go down hello my friend it just it's no good you know what i mean so
1:48:35
maybe we'll take just two more questions and then we're done or something like that yeah merv one of
1:48:41
the best shows so far thanks merv we agree wholeheartedly award such a thing as an award-winning
1:48:49
webcast this was it i hope so and again like i said please share
1:48:56
the hell out of this one because this this whole week if you can share this as much as you can people where we'll get out about both stories and uh
1:49:02
and all right so anymore no i think we're good to go
1:49:09
everybody's happy everybody's exhausted they're going one more point just in case you're
1:49:15
wondering the bite on the banquet is on for walleye right now that's all i'm gonna say it's on that's all you're gonna tell
1:49:21
them sure that's not right i think you should tell them more
1:49:26
quickly though i don't want you to know the light
1:49:31
what's that sorry the weed walk by walleye we don't know if you're gonna
1:49:36
go out there and do anything but the bite's probably gonna be mediocre at best but if you're going to go out there and try
1:49:42
to get them in the weeds on crankbaits let's say or maybe some rip jigs like mr angelo whale loves to do
1:49:47
uh uh him and i are thinking a lot about some future shooting coming up in the very very near future it's on right now so just let you know
1:49:54
the little fishing report so my apologies to uh nikki v i kind of cut him off short there when
1:49:59
he took the hot seat bring him on on a future episode you guys can discuss what you uh
1:50:05
spent all day on the payroll yesterday doing because
1:50:15
i'm sure you were very fruitful i'm sure you did good things out there probably a fruit i did not
1:50:22
well you can't say you can't do that anymore you called it to me i didn't do it i'm
1:50:28
defending you called me the name you're offensive i'm defensive anyways uh
1:50:35
folks uh the fishingcan.com contest kicks a new month off today and yeah
1:50:41
and uh best of luck to everybody out there once again the winner the first winner we've had the first
1:50:47
winner we've had from alberta in the yeah what's it been about 18 months since we started giving stuff
1:50:53
away every month it's the first year that we've had from the province of alberta we're so thrilled we're starting to get a little
1:51:00
bit worried because there's a lot of bc going on and there's a lot of ontario going on the odd little bit of you know manitoba
1:51:06
saskatchewan and and uh east coast but but nothing in alberta and then all of a sudden boom there he is
1:51:12
and it's uh john yee from edmonton alberta and yes he had
1:51:17
over 500 entries he must have been starting to get a little disappointed though
1:51:23
but you know what he must have been sticking with it though obviously to have 500 he's been doing a lot sin you know he
1:51:28
was in the nine nine contest earlier the boys checked it out so he said he's an avid contest user and avid fan
1:51:34
so this quick you see you know that's this just shows you get your votes in there hit your ballots in there folks now you're all your ballots
1:51:40
in there and you got a chance of winning uh i want to remind everybody pete already did
1:51:45
share this particular episode with as many people as you can on both those fronts first of all to
1:51:51
speak about the cormorant issue and secondly about this this uh marauding
1:51:56
muskie attacking folks in northern ontario and uh the more people that know the truth the better off we will be as
1:52:02
anglers and outdoors people for sure uh mikey we covered everything are we uh allowed to go or have you got something
1:52:08
else you'd like us to do tomorrow canada show eight o'clock is going to be the hawk lake episode that
1:52:14
angie shot last year it's a great episode and it's three fish that are pretty much 10 pounds each you know what i mean
1:52:20
maybe if one was just a shader than the others were shaped over for sure they were fish so i mean every fish we got on there right the smallest one i got the
1:52:26
smallest fish i think it was a five or six pounder so it some ridiculous fishing so that's been canada tomorrow it's a
1:52:32
hawk lake episode really good episode so it's all happening on global television network coast to coast to coast
1:52:38
as we bid you a farewell i want to wish everybody a wonderful long weekend if you're going
1:52:44
to experience it as a long weekend i'm not really quite sure who and what and where is going to have a long weekend in this country but
1:52:50
somebody is going to i know that for a fact so enjoy it uh get outside enjoy what we take for
1:52:56
granted here every day but of course do it in a safe manner play it safe and that'll allow us all to get back
1:53:03
next friday that's about it for me peter adios
1:53:09
people thank you very much for joining us take care next week
1:53:16
so we're not expecting to catch hundreds of fish from this trip we're hunting for a trophy fish
1:53:21
oh got a fighter here kid got one edge look at that oh you only got one that big oh my god
1:53:29
oh boy that's a mule that's a big fish and wow
1:53:36
nice one oh my god that's what we're coming off the hawk like right
1:53:41
that's a hawk lake fish
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