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May 23, 2025
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[Applause] this episode of outdoor journal radio is brought to you in part by the invasive
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thank you thank you thank you thank you appreciate you joining us today uh why
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are you laughing already wonderful program that's a good response you had wonderful program as usual i'm excited
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about this uh show today i know you are i i first found out about this uh few weeks ago um a company approached us
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about uh starting to advertise and use some of our media to spread their
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message and we get a lot of that but this one was particularly interesting
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because the product that uh that we are going to be talking about today and in
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future programs is one that's very close to what mr bowman and i do every day for
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a living and that is fish and so um joining us later on is uh dr paul culie
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of nextgen environmental i think is the company uh they've come out with a
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product called uh anglr's leaderboard in case i couldn't come up with that was i knew you were going uh soon you said um
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i thought my brother and they have an ice app that's called uh it's called ice
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time go ahead go ahead i i wanted to i was frightened i thought i'd let you do
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it but you screwed it up so in the weeks ahead you'll be hearing a lot about this but today we thought we'd bring them on
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just sort of to launch it here on the show and we're going to talk about uh one of the products and that's the angller's leaderboard uh in depth and
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get a little more input it's fascinating it's not unlike something we have talked about for years they're saying "man if
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you if somebody could just come up with and do that wouldn't that be great?" well it's a real fun idea be a lot of
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fun for everybody that uh participates and you can have a little competition etc etc so we'll get into it it's good
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that's right peter have fun with it that was very well put very well articulated
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well you know i'm all about articulations you are absolutely uh i
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articulate we may even have this stuff for sale at some point in the store come on now would that be what dean did we
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think about that at all we didn't think about that but we should but what a great place to make it available is at
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uh at at the fishingcanada store shop.fishingcanada.com which by the way i don't know whether you've noticed but
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if not i will highlight it for you this lovely piece that i have on today this
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is piece okay lovely piece why we no i didn't i know clothing is kind of weird
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it's a piece of art it's peace it's garment no i would say garment there's garment but peace brings it up one level
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it elevates the mona lisa well it's a piece right uh and it's a uv piece at
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that come on now uv a piece all right i'll tell you that got long sleeves on it very long yes so it's going to be my
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new fishing outfit anyways no way are you yeah absolutely absolutely
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um available on fishingcanada.com i believe it comes in other colors as well
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but it will protect you from those sun rays big deal nowadays it's it's the
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it's the it's the thing to do it's it's not just a fad it's a it's a reality it's it's a good idea to do that well
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while you're there you can also check out some of the other merch you got to stay warm before it gets sunny right in the morning you take off in the morning
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you got the hoodie on then you take that off and you got your uv protection that catch three 400 fish put it in your app
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there and you go home that looks orange to me how about to you no about orange it's part of it's close to orange yeah
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it's kind of it's not orange though it's caramel it's a brownish color i don't know could we talk to the uh folks who
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work on our color uh processing i think there's some new images to come dean can
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you look into this look into that see what they can do cuz that looks orange that's misleading to me well if i ate a
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caramel when you have those little caramel candies yeah it is orangey to the car caramel yeah caramel is like this desk
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darker but that like this desk good okie dokie then
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the color palette now listener listener feedback yes i want this name is the
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best name ever i don't know how where this came from but it's
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carlander-w on youtube it's pretty good eh that's a good handle what's the one what's so good about it i just love it
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it's like what where the hell did that come from it's a bunch of letters and numbers thrown together handler what do you mean i
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couldn't put that together you wouldn't do that you wouldn't have the wherewithal to put that together you say angelo at fishing i just love this all
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those wn but if it if that w if that meant something if wn1 and one like when
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you see license plates you follow cars with these special license plates like they do it because every one of those
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letters if you read it as a word it means a word but this does not that's
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right that's why i like this so much this is like it's like where the hell did that come from dean says it's just
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the youtube algorithm threw that out to him right that's probably right or is it win one nye
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win one matthew n win the stanley cup matthew n oh i could i could dig that
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there you go okay carl handler what do you got
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carl handler i love it in response to our episode on drive to lodges he says
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"save your money to do this i went once and i've been chomping at the bit to go again." it's as simple as that
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so he's talking about just like a lodge a driving lodge he says go if you never been to a lodge go to a fishing lodge
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because we do have people who complain sometimes like "ah it's not you know how could it be worth the money it's expensive it's all this but well i think
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we got a more of that with the flyin lodges cuz the added element of cost too." but these drive-through lodges
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they're quite reasonable when you think about it no they're cheap for you know for a trip of what you're getting the
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quality of trip you're getting um i think carl's right here this is a you know save your money to do this at least
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once and carl did it once and now he wants to do it again so um yeah well
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drive to lodges are inexpensive man some of them are cheaper than than a night at the have a motel for god's sakes have a
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nap which was that on what show was that on that was a tv show had to be what have a nap yeah wasn't it or was it no
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having a nap was on uh uh kingston road no just in scar absolutely oh my god
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they even rent by the hour for god's sakes you didn't have to get it all night i'll have a nap i love it have a
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nap there ain't much napping going on in that hour i'll guarantee you that uh-uh but uh no they're they're inexpens when
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i look at the prices of some of these places i just i can't believe they're so so inexpensive considering that you're
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not just getting a great uh uh great accommodation you're not getting a room and a bed and and all that stuff but
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tremendous food but the environment that you're in oh my god
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yeah right the environment that you're in like people don't take that into account when they're pricing these
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things out you know what else angie when you said tremendous food but even
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the probably as much fun as the fishing or anything else is if you bring your own food to these places and you're
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preparing your own food you're having a little at the picnic table or whatever in the kitchen screen it's just so cool
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when you do that stuff you know what i mean we have the the eggs in the morning and the it's just it's good it's a one
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of the best that i'll never forget was you stevie and i at uh oh jesus here we
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go is that anderson's right anderson's anderson's oh my god oh my god the the dock
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catching the the pickles oh my god that that was that's world class right there
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that's a world class memory right there that was the best you know what i mean dan and steve are dan is catching the
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fish steve's put them in a bucket and he's bringing them up to me and i'm cleaning them all in one processing line it was the best and then we cooked them
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up and ate them afterwards right oh it was so fun anyways uh carl yeah great message to
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those folks who maybe have not ventured out you know maybe sitting on the fence saying "yeah you know what especially
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you know let me throw this out there let me throw this out there there is a bit of controversy now with this political
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thing with canada us there's some folks who are saying "yeah i'm not going to go back i'm not going to the us anymore
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they don't like me i'm not going down there." well you know what that might be the perfect reason to say "pick trump in
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the earth and go to a lodge." exly go to a lodge here in canada and uh and uh
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take the family don't do it by yourself take the family or go you know with a
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bunch of buddies obviously and just have at it and just see how wonderful of an
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experience uh spending two or three or four or five nights in one of these
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tremendous uh wilderness opportunities can can it's it's beneficial to your health try to not do it again after you
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go once just try and not do it again you're going to be surprised at how hard it will be because it's so much fun so there you go uh thank you carl handler
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uh wn1 via youtube you like that right you
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missed a couple you missed a dash and and ni not one so come on if you're going to give
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carl give carl credit for this great creation that he put in there there's no one in the eye great creation look at
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this thing and carl took time it was time to make sure his youtube handle was did you know mr bowman i know a little
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bit but not a lot not a lot okay and it seems to be getting less and less i'm
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trying to shut her down right really i'm the old vault i'm trying to empty out the vault and then just say "okay all i
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need to do is catch a fish every now and then and i'm good." conservation quarter brought to you by the good folks at
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invasive species center yes want to remind us all not to let up on the
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vigilance that we need to stay on top of this grass carp situation one of four
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asian carps that's currently knocking at the door uh the potential potential
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devastation is unthinkable they consume vegetation at an incredibly high rate uh
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40% of their body weight each day and uh that could displace an awful lot of
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critters that we happen to love and enjoy pursuing as a recreational
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activity pretty much ruin your lake is what's going to happen pretty much ruin your lake um what they're asking us to
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do is to stay on top of this make sure that we're aware of first of all
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identifying what they look like because if you don't if it doesn't know what you're looking for you can't find it that's right you'd be downloading the
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reporting guide this is what you'd be doing at asiancarp.ca and then you would have your self armed with the info and
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uh then you know what he looks like and then taking care of business can i sing
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that is that we going to get uh financial probably probably uh all that info is
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available asiancarp.ca asiancarp.ca and you do your part just like we're doing our part
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to make sure that we are all aware of this uh intrusion of this invasive
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species stay on it uh where are we going now mr bowman we're going to the news
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well do tell this one is brought to you by j&b cycle of marine ontario's largest
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prince grabbed mercury dealer my friend we have locations in timmans and sudbury
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which by the way i just want to point something out right now because i thought i was thinking about this the other day so when you're buying a
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package of of this magnitude right chances are real good that you've
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already formulated your if not the total decision on what you want but pretty
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darn close to what that package should have right i would think yeah yeah
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absolutely chances are real good you've seen the product at one of the various sports shows or some other uh uh place
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where these boats would be uh on display so you've done the touchyfey thing so
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because i was thinking the other day well how are people going to you know if you're not in timonss or sudbury how are
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you going to be able to buy a boat package of this magnitude yeah but then
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i got people what am i talking about i buy cars on the internet unseen
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you know what i mean people buy cars on ebay unseen well i mean you know you go
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to the princecraft site i mean you would not if you're going to j&b you're going to also go to the princ site if you're looking at the prince you're going to
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see all the models and they have great a great layout and you can change the colors of your boat change the graphics
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so i think you get a pretty good idea of absolutely of these rigs and what they look like and all that stuff so all of a sudden it made sense you know as we're
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telling you every week to go to a jnb uh or in this case jbcycle uh.com which is
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where you would go if you're ordering it online and see it all seeing all the goodies about motor trailer packages all
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of a sudden it makes sense i said "hey yeah that's doable." however if you want to take a drive up to sudbury or timmans
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which is not too far from any place in this part of the country be a nice drive
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be a nice drive great opportunity to go meet rob and his whole team uh and then
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uh and then you can do the touchyfey thing right there because he's got all the inventory that's the beauty of rob's place right it's it's got it all there
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oh yeah and then some you got everything yeah uh that's it i just wanted to make
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sure that uh we were in tune with that yeah nowadays a lot of shopping is done online as well right so why not get your
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rig there too yay yeah and and then some and then some get your rig
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jbcycle.com boba are we boring you today a little bit he doesn't want boba doesn't want to buy a boat right he
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doesn't he's got our boat with him he says "i got the boat i don't need another boat." he's got everything he doesn't need anything now he must
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probably buy a new drone i'll bet he wants to buy a new drone soon oh sure he's got all kinds of grandioso ideas
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and anyways
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uh j and b cycle your outdoor supertore when it comes to all things marine boats
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motorcycles in the news angelo ddt what does ddt stand for does anybody know i
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used to know that i did aside from in wrestling because that was the best move ever in wrestling ddt the ddt in
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wrestling well let's not make it funny because this is a series that's still found in brook trout uh in new brunswick
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um so we did a show on this was it fishing can two years ago yeah two years
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ago wasn't it on the was it the merch merry and about this
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ddt about how it's been used many many years in the past and it's still leeching down and into the into the
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waterways it's a pristine looking beautiful waterway that oh my god you don't see any of this stuff no you never
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know even there's no way you guys ever knew what this stood for ddt that's the biggest word i've ever seen i knew oh
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it's one word dchloro denol triphenol chloro thing yeah yeah that's
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that's really the ddt ddp did the diamond dallas page did the ddt didn't
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he diamond dallas page i think mick foley had the the dd yeah he had one too mick foley ripped off everybody never
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had himself a he was too many characters he was everybody he was too many that's right yeah he didn't rip off because you
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been my favorite was uh was the uh guy with the half master what mankind
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mankind mankind that was my favorite of all oh yeah yeah you didn't like cactus
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jack no not really the old lumberjack dinner jacket on there no i think he was
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ripping off um when he did that one he was ripping off the other guy with the
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2x4 hillbilly hillbilly jim yeah yeah yeah yeah
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that was the those were the days for wrestling sorry guys we're getting off of track here but that was if you ever
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if you ever want to watch good wrestling matches go back back in time to that stuff right there that was the best uh
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location the remote rivers and streams in new brunswick so historical content the ddt was used widely used in the 50s
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to the 70s to combat spruce budworm so it was obviously an insect that they
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were trying to get rid of and uh they ban canada banned ddt in 1985 because of
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the environmental concerns and obviously it's this is it's going to kill the insects wait a minute is that all it's
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going to kill no you can't this was the largest spring of ddt in the history of
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the world this was massive we don't realize just how big it was and yet to
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this day planes right they did it through airplanes yeah just just like they're putting out of water it just
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totally blanketed that whole area and think about it they're spraying it on
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river banks they're spraying it on all the trees that are adjacent to the
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massive beautiful wonderful mirashi and not realizing that some river banks
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don't go upwards like a go downwards being the case i'm shocked to this day
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that when the decline of the atlantic salmon comes up which it does in every
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conversation when you're talking about these but not once not once have i heard
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in that discussion of this ddt yeah you're absolutely right
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you're absolutely right think about it not once do you say yeah yeah i think
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when we sprayed all of that stuff there on the river it might have had an environmental impact to a point where it
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might have killed all of our salmon stock never once it's bass it's musky
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it's like you name it but it has nothing to do with let's take it a step further in that well yeah that was a way back
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then but no this right here proves that it's going on right now so it's not just
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brook trout if they were to if you examine every fish out there you'd see that the you know including atlantic
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salmon that the ddt is present if it's in brook trout there's no way it's not in salmon right you have to find them in
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order to prove that well that's why they use brook trout they're easier to find than the salmon wonder if the stripers
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have got it in them oh why wouldn't they i would think the musky the striper
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everything else would now them being a maybe more of a coarse type of fish trout are delicate and salmons are
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delicate so maybe they can handle it a little better maybe i don't know but uh but i'm sure it's still there with all
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fish species right and deer that eat the the greens and drink the water they're
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going to get it too i would think everything everything's affected by it that's craziness uh dt can affect fish
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reproduction hello yep just talking about it and development even in low
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doses uh bioaccumulation poses a threat over time which is another case to make
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for the atlantic salmon sure it does sure it is anyways uh a pretty
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incredible story that you would think in today's day and age that we are still feeling the effects of something that
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could have uh probably started impacting us what 40
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50 years ago well you and i i don't know about you i think you're in the same boat as me when we started writing the
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show i'm in the boat with you every day pretty much we started writing this show last thank you dean thank you i go back
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to i'll wake you up when you need to go ahead sorry when we were writing the show last year or whatever the year
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before whenever it was not that long ago it's really the first that we had i had ever heard of it i think too so it's
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like this is almost a hidden thing right they're now it's being exposed but i mean for i maybe the locals knew about
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it but the world did not know about it that's for sure like they hushed it up i
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would too yeah no kidding anyways go check the story out it's on fishingcanada.com uh we're not obviously
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uh we're just highlighting a few of the uh interesting notes but you got to go check it out it's in the news at
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fishingcanada.com fan question of the week brought to you by fishfindermounts.com
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speaking of hey there's the guy right there that's good work dino it's not the guy it's
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pretty close to the guy kind of like the guy that's the guy next to the guy that's the guy that was complaining about the guy it's this guy but that guy
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right uh brought to you by fishfindermounts.com uh submitted by
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ladybug adventures uh that name sounds familiar yes it does we had him on the
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show before uh yes or he he wrote in before and we met him at the sportsman show this year because you guys weren't
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too sure if uh if ladybug was a was a man or a woman lady or a bug he is a man
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he is a man so daughters who who like ladybugs and he likes to fish with them okay so at ladybug adventures with his
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daughters or with ladybugs he fishes with his daughters oh okay ladybugs make good bait i bet you they would when it
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when the hatch is on i'll bet you that sure they would kind of little but yeah but still on that like that i like that
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and you got the right color shirt on you look like a ladybug out there it's not pink how come it it's not pink well
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ladybugs aren't pink ladybugs are red red okay so it's red then i thought you you were mocking me having the pink me
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mocking you no exactly it's not going to happen buddy duh
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anyway so this is a a long a long a long uh fan question but we'll we'll read it
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because it's very important this is a very i once met a man i believe that's
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how it starts where was he from uh nantucket i believe i know that guy i
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know his whole story it's not long it's kind of like a limmery thing uh here
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from ladybug adventures via youtube i saw a guy with waiters walking in the middle of a small local river the rouge
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river today straight through spawning rainbows literally kid you not right
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through their bed areas i politely asked him what he was doing and he didn't have
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a rod so he didn't have a fishing rod he said he was hunting for lures and fishing tackle when i politely informed
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him that the trout were spawning right where he is standing and that the fish were currently doing so and that this
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was not the right time to be doing this he responded he has never heard of this uh and was not a it was not a good idea
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and that when people are fishing they also walk down the river i tried to inform him best practices and that no
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good anglers walk straight down the middle of the river when they want to catch anything he just kept walking
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through the beds and repeating what the hell the way you read stuff it
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just kills me i can do it like that try putting some periods at the end of
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sentences try i don't want to bore the people i want to just get the story out there i'll tell you right now you need
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to reread that because i i totally misunderstood that's because you're laughing at me you can't listen when
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you're laughing he said "oh is everybody else laughing at me?" bottom line is some goon was walking down the middle of
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the river another gentleman saw that took exception to it angler saw that ladybug went over ladybug went to him
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and said "hey you know you really shouldn't be walking down the middle of the river." and the guy said "huh how come i'm only out here collecting lures
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and and uh whatever he's collecting and the guy said "well because you're
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walking on possible uh beds that have eggs and you're killing potential uh
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lifeblood of this very stream steelhead population you're affecting it all." guy
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said "oh i never knew that i never heard of anything like that." huh and then he
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continued walking down the middle of the stream that's the story now well thank you for that well i just
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thought i would make it uh you know a little more uh angeloesque angeloesque yeah that's okay so he didn't know he
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was was he still from nantucket or was he i believe this guy was reading this the guy was reading this he lived a man
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from bombay we'll go on that one i guess the the story here is that you know the the the
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the guy said he didn't know that that was well his questions are his questions are was he wrong in saying this to the
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guy and i don't think he was doing anything illegal but he's simply dumb is there anything a conservation officer
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could do in this case i was left completely gobsmacked at his lack of comprehension i think they do i think a
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conservation officer they would talk to him they can't charge him no no they won't charge him i know that but they could talk to him i'm sure they would
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yeah and unfortunately it would take a man in a uniform to get through to this guy versus an angller cuz he's thinking
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"yeah you're over here fishing you do what you do i'm doing what i'm doing." and then you know what that guy might not even be an angler he's just
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collecting lures you might want to sell them online or some silly thing or who knows what you know what i mean who knows what they're doing that for
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there's all kinds of water collectors now these guys that go into the water with magnets and stuff like that and i
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question that though what do you mean what lures would you be collecting no he doesn't if he doesn't ste if he's not an
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angler he doesn't know he sees all these fishermen out there he's thinking "oh my god these fishermen must lose use lures
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and lose lures." it could be very as simple as that it could be very ignorant to it right cuz otherwise you're going to get roll bags or hooks little spawn
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sack you know and hooks yeah tiny hooks i'm trying to figure out but he's right and and you know what we've i mean i've
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gone steel head fishing we did a show once and we got a complaint on that on that show too the guys were saying
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bowman and his buddy were walking through the reds but we were not we were we were walking along the bank we would
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see if we had to fish on the other side we would walk through we take just shallow areas these little shallow rifts
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you take a look around there there's not a fish there they're all in the runs we'd walk out to that spot fish away and come back in walk up the river and that
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so you got to really be cognizant of these reds are called spawning beds how about though in parts where you just
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cannot navigate the shoreline and the only way you're going
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to get from point a to point b is through the river itself you'd have to be real careful i guess i don't know i
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mean there is that that situation too right yeah if it's too if it's shallow enough these rivers are all clean enough
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normally clean enough you can see where the fish are spawning you stay away from that you know what i mean you don't
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interrupt that but if you're in down to that you know up to your hips or whatever like that you got chest waiters
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on and the water's a little murkier then yeah you wouldn't be able to see you would never know and you know what then
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i guess i don't know on that one be careful you got to be careful with how you present this to somebody too though
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right oh yeah without getting yourself in trouble oh yeah for sure because there's a lot of lugans out there doing
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this stuff man oh there's a a lot of lugans in those creeks doing a lot of illegal stuff too you know what i mean
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there's so much of that going on now like netting a fish and all that so i had a conversation with i think it was
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hunter my boy hunter yesterday and he was talking about somebody that netted a fish and and i said "you do know that's
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illegal they didn't catch it." oh really so people don't know that stuff right you know what i mean so but it goes on
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it's not good all right exciting uh part of the program where we get to speak to a special guest the first part not
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exciting yeah is that what you're saying it was just you i mean you know like we've been how long we've been together
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did you do the math that's very exciting right there just trying to figure that out if you and i could get excited with
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each other after all these years man we're damn good i'll tell you right now uh this segment of the program brought
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to you by sale the outdoor store sale is home to all good things fishing hunting camping anything in the outdoors that
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close to going into sale today close close no it wasn't cuz i
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didn't lo cuz i thought i had lost the pliers but i didn't lose the pliers that was good too inside joke there everybody
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anything that you need with regards to the outdoors uh is available at a sales store in your area if you don't have one
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which not everybody does we're fortunate enough to have one uh you can go to sale.ca that's s a
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l.ca they've got sales going on at sale all the time sale sale come sail away uh
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up to 60% off on certain select items when you uh uh go online and uh do your
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shopping there that's what you should be doing so 60% off and and and and you don't but and and you wouldn't have to
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take an hour off work to go do it it's nice to go in there you know you see the boys and girls and say "hey everybody
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how you doing?" uh this gentleman joining us now a fascinating uh man and a an incredibly
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fascinating subject matter as we spoke earlier on in the program um he's come
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up with a couple of really innovative ideas and making them work his name is dr paul kulie he's the founder president
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of gen nextgen uh environmental research inc uh he's a fishery scientist uh
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living on lake winnipeg and an avid angler and a big fishing canada fan not here paul i sure am welcome to the
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program buddy hey you're great to finally be here you're lucky we just talked to our guys at garmin down there
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and they're just they just completely mapped lake winnipeg he's one of the big lakes that they've done with all the shading and everything so there you go
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buddy if you have a garmin you're going to have the best maps going there job for sure oh yeah so let's uh first of
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all talk a little bit about yourself your background how how you got to where you are right now what did it take well
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you know what i thanks thanks for that i i uh i think each of us if we probably drill back into our early fishing
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history there's a key person in your life that probably showed you a fishing rod oh yeah for sure yeah that was my
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grandpa and he took me out onto the little saskatchewan river in southwestern manitoba when i was just a
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kid and and i i just caught an angling like a fury wow and you know the way
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things turned out uh spent each summer with my grandma and grandpa fishing that river and and i i just couldn't get it
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next thing i knew i had a a little journal that i would keep with with my father and mother that lived here on the
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south bank of lake winnipeg barometric pressure number of catches species and
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this little database and i was totally just a fish nerd and uh little did i
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know but those interests would lead me into a life of science so i always
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wanted to be um or to take on a career in something that i loved and there was
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nothing better than fish and water for me you know when a kid came for you guys
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you know when a kid is keeping the uh barometric pressure there is some science involved that kid is on to
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something higher way higher than we are we couldn't even spell oh my god i still can't
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i didn't see any of it i didn't see any of it coming but uh as as life would have it you know i ended up doing um a
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master's degree with the department of fisheries oceans the freshwater institute nice and the experimental
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lakes area which was then run by the feds in northwest ontario and uh that was all about fish habitat so i i spent
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a lot of my early days in as a student thinking more about actual about habitat
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than actually the fish uh and i did some work also with dfo in northwestern
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ontario a lot of my work has been on ontario lakes uh working on walleye um
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juvenile lake sturgeon mostly those two species and um so i've i finished off my
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master got about halfway through my master's degree uh and i was invited into a phd program and get a load of
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this not only was it fish it was the biodiversity of lake malawi africa oh my
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god yeah and it was it was it was so hard for me to choose because you know
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the angller in me not not that you fish for these fish cuz most of them are the size of of your finger but uh it was so
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it was such a major decision to make no kidding i'd wake up i'd wake up one day and say "oh i got to do this." the you
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know the the phd i was going to work for he said "take two weeks to decide." and uh so i would wake up one day and say
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"oh i gotta do this." and then next day be like "oh five more years of school i
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can't do this i got to like," and you know what i wrestled with myself for two weeks and i realized it would have been
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easy to say "nope for sure." uh so i found myself in a lake the same size as
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lake winnipeg about 600 km long damn uh but 700 m deep and of course it's uh
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it's subtropical and lake winnipeg has uh in the low 50s of fish species
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including minnows and everything right and lake malawi has a thousand wow oh it
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has more fish species than any other individual lake in the world and uh i got an opportunity over three winters to
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go down there and study the habitat and study the distribution of the
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biodiversity and and how it paralleled the habitat distributions and it was just a tremendous experience so i've
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been so fortunate through through my studies either with the federal government or academia and uh to uh
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travel internationally and and have insights on lakes from large like we
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worked on superior and nipigan all the way down to small little lakes and doing
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water sampling and walley sampling and uh so fisheries has been a big part of it i'm a little bit of a spin-off from
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most that i i spend more of my time on habitat than i do actually on the fish themselves which helps when you're
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fishing i was going to say that's probably a good thing we we need him on our boat for a whole season every walley
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shoot paul i can read a sonar that's for sure so that's that's sort of how i got to
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you know the the science part of me started just from fishing a river yeah and uh you know in i worked gainfully in
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the private sector for about 14 years as life would have it um you know you have opportunities and i started nextgen in
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2017 with the point of being an avid angler and an avid
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snowmoer of finding a way to make lake ice travel more safer and so we spent uh
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the first 6 years of that company working with the canadian space agency using satellite data uh to map uh lake
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ice hazards so we're mapping those now using artificial intelligence machine
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learning uh of radar satellite imagery so if you have uh if it's the ice is
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freezing uh and you're interested in what is going on with the ice now you
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can now say a satellite goes over your house at supper time the next morning you can have an update on what the ice
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conditions are where the where the ice is formed where the open water remains where things like pressure ridges are we
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can map pressure ridges from space now wow now we're going to get into we'll get into detail about the ice app um but
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today i want to talk about the angller's leaderboard if
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we was the second project before we leave isap though i do want to just
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point out i was speaking to somebody the other day who's al also into science and
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um habitat and stuff and i mentioned this theory of being able to measure ice
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from satellites and you know how how uh i wanted to get a feedback from him you
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know how how safe that would be and how that and apparently he's saying oh hell
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yeah that's that's that technology is fantastic it works you know and he was all all for it i thought it was going to
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be a big poo poo right right because i'm thinking how in the hell does satellite
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light i can see it giving you some generalization about ice conditions but
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every body of water and then within that body of water they're all different as
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you know currents there's all kinds of uh influences that will determine ice safety but this guy said "oh no we we
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yeah that stuff works great." so it's it's solid it's solid
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there's definitely a story there that we should come back to definitely the whole key the whole key
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to that application is the radar satellite so radar it's kind of like more like a sonar than it is a normal
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satellite it uses the sun's energy to illuminate an image radar is more like a sonar it pings it has its own energy
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source so it can see at night it can see through clouds it can see through snow
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and rain and it sees through the snow to the ice crazy and that's that's that's
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one of the reasons why it's a successful recipe for making ice travel that is cool um yeah most people don't know you
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can do it we're the first in the world to do this that's awesome and this is out now or is
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coming out uh soon or yeah we we had a limited release this last winter uh in in southern manitoba uh and this coming
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fall it'll be nationwide nice well we'll talk about that uh for sure anglers
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leaderboard that's the one that's got me really excited because i'll be honest with you i i'm going to say about 10
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years ago we were we we we do a lot of uh uh you know sitting around a table
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and throwing ideas out within our own industry as to what we can do and what
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we we should be working on etc and i remember about 10 years ago we thought wouldn't it be great wouldn't it be
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great if somebody comes up with an app that allows you to take a photograph of
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your fish and identify the species so you don't have to put the species in and
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other in our case we were talking about other varying conditions you know
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barometer uh temperature uh wind local local
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weather uh all of these factors matched up with the fish that it identified as a
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musky a bass whatever it identified it with and then put it into some kind of i i even remember we
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called it the live well that's right yeah we called it the live well and then would put it into the live well and it
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would archive all of this wonderful detailed information and then we could do stuff with it you know we could share
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it we could we could uh u study it we could use it as a means of understanding
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the fishery better by by being able to go back in time and see when and where
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how and all that stuff and then we looked at the the difficulty in trying
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to get this to and we said "nah let's go fishing." you gotta be you got to be a scientist to be able to come up with something like that that's what we said
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let's just go fishing to hell with it and so when dean brought this to our attention uh we were pretty excited
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buddy i got to be honest with you this this is this is a great product and and
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in my opinion probably overdue but it's here now so let's let's talk about it
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awesome thanks guys we uh we've been working on it for close to two and a half years you know the the idea has
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been like you say in in my back pocket for some time uh we were preoccupied with ice time cuz that was a big dive um
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but when we started on leaderboard really there was well the emphasis again was kind of it was a very simple
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beginning uh because my wife and i would go out fishing on the south basin of lake winnipeg for greenbacks here for
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the walley and when you have those really really really good days i think she would inflate her
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catches a little and and my catches would somehow go down
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that's that's a good relationship right typical relationship right there you know honestly though she probably does catch more and bigger fish than i do but
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what i wanted to do was i said you know i should i should make an app where it just becomes very easy to keep track of
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your catches yep just pull out your camera take a quick snap uh let the fish
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go and then that's fish number one 17 and 12 in thank you and it's a walleye
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and so what we've done jump ahead some years is we've we've made that and and but it was really based on the
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frustration of you know if you catch four fish and your wife catches six well
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it's she had a better day than you but there's times where you know you and then you don't actually know wow that
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was a fabulous day but was that my best day this year right because you're you're not recording the stuff that that
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you're catching that's right uh and and mostly because it's a lot of work so what we've tried to do is make something
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where people can compete with one another uh and really really simplify
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the data capture side of this so that it becomes almost nothing you know you put
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down a board just like you have your bump board today except our bump board doesn't have a bump we use ai in the
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application and it recognizes the board and scales it and so when you put your fish on there all you have to do is take
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a picture uh and if it happens to be a very active fish we've even trained the ai to recognize your hand on top of the
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fish so it measures through your hand wow so you can hold you can hold it down that's cool yeah and so uh that was the
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data capture side of it um another thing that people were reaching out to me and
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saying or or i would see online through social media too is that people would say you know i wish there was something
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out there that would help me i want to start to compete but i don't want to go
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up against these guys that have been in tournaments for 25 years fishing
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$65,000 boats and they know that body of water for the last 15 years it's too
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intimidating for them and so what we really wanted to do was create a
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platform that allows people to hold their own smaller friendly competitions so this might be uh and
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it's still a competition you know it could be okay the three of us this
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saturday let's go on the water let's see if paul can beat out the boys and 20
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bucks for me 20 bucks for you 20 bucks for you winner takes all bongus fish or
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whatever the the statistic and the beauty of that paul too is it doesn't even we don't have to be in the same
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area in the same body of water no fishing like keg and you can be fishing simple that is so cool i love that so
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and and because you can do that now with internet technology you can enter into the competitive
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sphere but still be comfortable where you're fishing and when you're fishing m and so
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i know there's certain places that i go to at certain times of year they're more productive than others and i if i wanted
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to join a competition and say well i'm feeling pretty confident about this lake or this spot in that lake at that time
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of year and then you can go into a competition and then because you're now
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scoring each fish because we have a digital capture system you're getting points you're getting points for
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diversity of catches not just one species so your going to grow more if you're a better and more well-rounded
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angler uh and and once you start to build these points you start to
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understand what a real good day on the water is and you say "i got 900 points
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yesterday that was a banger of a date." different way to look at it right yeah
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it's cool hey it's hard it's hard to do otherwise you say like "wow that was an amazing day." and it still doesn't take
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away from it in any way just by resolving it down to a number um but then one of the things i like to play
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with this and and we're still not there yet because we just released may 1st and we um want to see it become this but
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maybe later in the year when i chat with you guys again i can look you both and say "what's your alb score?" that's true
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true yeah keep it yeah yeah yeah yeah that's good hey paul explain the the
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board the me you said there's a measure board of some type there explain that because that's i was wondering in my head said how does this does a phone or
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a picture measure but you obviously have a little system can you explain that yeah for sure so we've created a really
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uh this isn't really a vehicle for showing off the product but if you go to the website which we'll announce at the
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end i guess um you can have a good look at it but it's a a really really high quality board
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um used to minus 46 it's really really good quality and we've designed it with
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ai in mind so when you have your camera and our application our software in your
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camera our camera looks at the board and it identifies things on it that we've programmed it to look for so it
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recognizes it because it can see all of the things that are on the board it inherently knows scale so when you put
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an object on the board all you have to do is take a picture of it and we can automatically measure it so we have a a
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patent pending on that right now because it's such a novel uh approach we're we're patenting it and uh so how how it
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works is it's simpler than it seems but the whole board is just filled with objects that we've trained the ai to
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look for and when it sees those objects it already knows the distances between them wow i got so like a watermark cool
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like on on a a watermark basically right yeah and it's got things on there and we
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said look for this this this and this and this and if you don't see that put up an error and says you know this is
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not an al ald board um but because of that we don't need a bump on the board
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how big is it how big is the board well we've got one right now that's 36 in okay but we're working on a larger one
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for like lakers and muskies and salmon out west and east
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you know what somebody you know what somebody needs to do uh not even with just with regular boards not just with
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yours but with yours would be ideal they need to figure out how to make them collapsible somehow there are some but
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there's so they're not the one half collapse right is what i'm saying something that will you know go from
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from a i don't know 50 something inch yeah and you can just ah telescopic sort
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of thing yeah and then just put it away or travel with it or whatever you know what i mean that's one of the problems
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with the bigger boards especially for musky anglers god they're huge those the real bump boards are huge yeah they're
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they're perfect but just something we're you'll find we're full of ideas if nothing else well i was going to say we
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should brainstorm this because the reason we don't have that built yet is this exact reason so we're we're
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thinking a lot about it before moving on any individual design how about uh dependency on the internet obviously how
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does that work how does that work it works best in real time of course it's a real-time thing uh where you have cell
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coverage or access to the internet generally uh but even let's say you go out to the lodge and they've got
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starlink at the main lodge you can still there's still a mode that you can use catch a fish all day capture the
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pictures uh and then when you get back to the lodge and you're connected to wi-fi then you can all your maintenance
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through and the leaderboard will update in real time even at the lodge whereas
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of course for everybody else down in in south or elsewhere where there's internet access the regional leaderboard
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is is live all day long so the positions will always be jockeying as people are
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catching fish each day every day of the year and this so the end of the day
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imagine that we're at lodge 88 and all of a sudden booms of pete but 30 in 28 7
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about 30 fish pop up because we got our starlink in there that'd be the best that was the same idea that we were
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talking about because yeah the beauty about it is as long as you've got a phone that can store all of that data
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eventually you're going to be within you know cell range or satellite range to be able to dump it onto something so that's
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fantastic now are you keeping tabs on some of the other variables at all like
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i mentioned before uh barometric pressure uh cloud conditions wind
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temperature air temperature etc right now we've worked really hard on
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the platform that we've got which really focuses on identifying species and measuring length or driving weight if
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you want to um but really what we want to do is just keep our ear to the ground
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with the community now and just be very responsive so when people reach out to us and say like this would really be
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great and we have a lot of people saying kind of the same thing uh we we really want it to be a communitydriven tool
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from this point forward like we've done this initial push on our own uh but we really want it to be a communitydriven
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tool after this point so we're going to listen and what the community wants we'll work on perfect that's great the
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more info the better right for so how are people acquiring this now what what
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do they have to do go on your website yeah so it's called anglersleerboard.com
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uh and there's uh right on the homepage there's a link um to
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um well there's content on photo measure and everything that you need to see and there's of course what we haven't talked
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about yet which you'll find on the homepage is the aob championships now this is another way that we're different
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than everybody else so what we've done by simplifying the data capture guys you can kind of think
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of fishing in a different way because you're you're not just going to specific
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events to document your catches you can do it all you don't have to do it every day if you don't want to if it's a slow
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day it's probably pointless um but if you catch fish when you go fishing every
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day where you want to and when you want to you're still competing all of your
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catches whether you're in a competition or a tournament or you're just fishing by yourself off the
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dock all of your catches count in the regional leaderboard and at the end of the year our championships are angller
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of the year so what we're trying to say is and you know the angller of the year is trying to level the playing field for
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everybody it could be your neighbor's 20-year-old kid who walks down the back lane and fishes the river each day but
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he fishes each day and the angller of the year is just with the largest alb
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score you don't need a big expensive boat to win it you could be anybody you just have to catch a lot of fish and
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enjoy doing it uh and the other alb championship is one which uh people that
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are probably a little bit on higher competition list would be interested in and what we do is we take your
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statistics from each day of the year and if you don't have to go fishing all that often we take your 10 best days of the
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year and those people are in the ranks for for the alb top 10 oh that's kind of
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cool that's that's excellent very cool i like that now is this have to be in a
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competition to to rack up points anytime you go fishing you're adding points to your alb score right right i'm assuming
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all of this package is proprietary everything that you've done in terms of the software and and all the logistics
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that we just went through that's all protected and known by you yes okay so a
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reason i say that wouldn't it be great if if we could get uh actual tournament
53:05
uh promoters and organizers on board with something like this where yeah where i mean this would be the perfect
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solution as you know so i mean the whole tournament industry right now is a little bit on a tight rope you know as
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to whether whether five or or six fish should be brought into a weigh-in center
53:23
to be weighed because you're displacing the fish from its you know where it lives uh also the damage that
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potentially could be caused by the travel uh aspect of that fish wouldn't
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it be wonderful if we could uh maybe get something like this in tune with uh
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tournament organizers and this is this is the way you run your tournament in the future you know you just take the
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picture with the board on the boat you don't need any witnesses you don't need anything you know yeah be interesting
53:52
and you release you release the fish back into the habitat from which it was caught there right there to me is the
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most important and i i i don't want to nay um the weigh-ins on the the dock side weighins because i know people uh
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they're lovely events but i do hope from you know the fisheries manager uh in me
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wants to see fish out of the water for as short as possible and with our board
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you can put the fish facing left you can put the fish facing right it can be upside down it it it you don't have to
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manipulate the fish and push it up against a bump or pinch the tail or do anything you measure the fish in its
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relaxed state and that's its real length that's what it is in the water yeah yeah and and so i i i really do hope that
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people that run tournaments look to us as an alternative and and it's not to
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say that what we're trying to do is change the way that tournaments are done but i think if we can do a better job of
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the management of handling fish less it's better for the species and conservation and everybody for sure for
54:56
sure and the only the only downside to all that you just mentioned it before you know the way we in people like to see fish brought in i suppose um they
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can live without it yeah and there might be a workar around that too with with uh
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paul's product here anglers uh leaderboard maybe you know i'm i'm just
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sort of thinking about this maybe those images as they're being weighed in out in the field in various parts maybe that
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image can go up on a big screen at the tournament site and saying you know peter bowman just weighed in this
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beautiful 5 lb done you know so it adds to and and they could see your running total you know there's ways there's ways
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of doing this i think that would be perfect and i think i think you can still get the same experience but the
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fish is actually where you caught it when you're doing that well there is that right but uh i do like that
55:48
immediate release i like what the mlf is doing like that i think that's a great idea that there's a lake fork in texas i
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think they the bss does it there because of size limits too and so it's implemented in that lake too it's a good
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idea you know it's safest for the fish for sure well i'll tell you but i do get the big weigh in thing i get it it's
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kind of the hype and everything it's a business right that's that's the problem with it probably is that it's a business
56:11
versus the absolute safety of the fish so we get it this would be cool anyways you you got uh you got our attention
56:18
paul this is a tremendous product i think uh uh anybody who is oh first of
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all what's the price how much is it going to cost me to to get one of these babies yeah so it's the software which
56:30
is 40 bucks a year uh so that gives you photo measure and that gives you the ability to access the the personal
56:37
leaderboard which is your own catches and the regional leaderboard where you compete with others uh and then the
56:42
photo measure board which together are 159 so the board is about 110 and 40
56:48
bucks a year once you get the board obviously you don't have to repurchase it and uh and then it's $40 a year
56:55
beyond that are there different levels of packages or is just the one package yep just the one perfect wow
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you know when you think that uh a couple of lures these days could cost you about that that's why i was
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going to the sale for today that's why i turned around i said "wait a minute i got i can't i'll wait till next week."
57:15
so i stand corrected i stand corrected here my ceo just came in with a piece of paper that said $154.99
57:24
ceo knows best less there you go we get it we get it um sounds fantastic man i
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uh i but then you get the board once you get the board it's there forever and then it's just you repay for the app every year right so it's not bad so and
57:37
and there's floats the board floats oh there you go nice even better great idea
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and what's nice because it's you know predominantly software it is software aside from the board is that this thing
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can grow legs every day like as as new technology becomes available or as you
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have time to develop different um aspects of this software it can just continue growing and i'm i'm sure it's
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it's as simple as you know updating or downloading an update type of thing and boom you're you're yeah and the more
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buddies you introduce the more people get you know everybody introduces buddies all of a sudden this is a huge community you know so fantastic man uh
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congratulations uh we'll we'll talk about the ice app next time because i i didn't want to you
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know just jam it all together all in one i don't think we could do it justice but uh uh angller's leaderboard it's called
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uh it's available now i'm i'm assuming the website is angler leader anglersleleerboard.com
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that is correct sir all right simple simple to find uh go check it out you know we're going to have this unit going
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on our boat because even just between you and i think of the things that we could do with this thing oh yeah it'll
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be a blast think about the stuff we forget wow every fish we catch pretty much is a forgotten thing after the next
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one comes in at least we could have an idea fantastic man congratulations paul
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we'll talk to you soon my friend okay thank you gentlemen see you paul uh wow
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that looks that sounds fun dr paul culie uh product is called anglers
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leaderboard and i got a feeling this thing is going to grow pretty quick got
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a feeling it's going to grow it's got it's got legs it's got the ability for sure dino did we miss anything buddy
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just the bonus code i don't have bonus code see you don't have to you don't when i'm
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in charge of the bonus code i just know because it's there well then if you want that bonus code that's been so highly
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anticipated by angelo amongst all his listeners then it is today that's correct all capitals remember that's
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very important this is all caps why is that by the way why not what the heck why not you can't do it all small case
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cuz then you can't you have to start with a uppercase small case so you don't want to do that sometimes it's a name or
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something and then you have to have an uppercase and you don't want to confuse people hey hang on why do we have to make it
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case sensitive uh that's a that's a question for the developers yes no so it
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is a a developer thing okay i was just think because see to me
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you're just making it difficult for people that's all right but i'm trying to explain it as best yeah i got to try to explain as i can you know best i can
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explain this this week's code all caps
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leaderboard l e a d e r b o a r d l e d
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e r b o r d mickey mouse leaderboard that is
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everybody there you go i used to rush home to watch that every day did you
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mickey mouse remember the girls little girl the little mickey the girls excuse
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me sir what were you watching uh annette fichello was her name oh
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right i don't remember and uh and the guy was mickey i don't know annette fichello i
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do remember that that's why that's what you remember you remember her quite well don't you yes sir used to rush home
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every day indeed to hit the leaderboard uh so i'm sorry did you get that out
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it's all done i what happens if you get this and you do that you get 10 extra quot bonus code
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there point out of here oh my look at you george dai says "oh my." all right
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uh that or it we got everything done i think we got everything done unless dean has more for us no that's it more
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bonuses more anything like that that's all we got uh don't forget fishingcanada.com the gateway the portal
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to your next fishing adventure but more importantly it's where you go to enter all of these wonderful the leaderboard
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and then you might as well take a look at the hoodies while you're at it too oops did i say that sorry would that like the one you got on i like this
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fashionable comfortable i like that uh two-tone the slate with the black i'm
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all about two tone they call me two tone right do they yeah two tone and why is that what there a lot of different tones
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coming out of me right there's the beep deep and then and there had everything in between but i just used the two
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okay that are it on behalf of the entire crew uh volvo over there uh nick over
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