Hookless Fishing? | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 165

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[Applause] this episode of Outdoor Journal Radio is brought to you in part by the Invasive
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Cruise Canada rent the boat own the memories jmbb Cycle Marine your home for
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all things powersports boats and equipment and sail the ultimate
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destination for your outdoor adventures howdy folks welcome to the program i'm
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Angelo Biola he is Peter Bowman over there rest of the crew well they're not important without No we got Bowman we've
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got sometimes Nick and then we have Dean over there sometimes Nick sometimes Nick
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that's a good one we'll change over to Sometimes Nick i would like to know how many times uh
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how many podcast we could probably find this out how many podcasts did uh I
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introduce and I had to say the sometime or and Nick is usually over there and no
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Nick is not there and how many Well I think if but you'd be more successful in
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saying and Nick stayed with us for the whole show today because I'll tell you never happened is he is he not do you
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know no he's been on a show before so he was here for those ones for the whole thing one time he was the guest so I'm
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assuming he stuck around maybe not i think How many podcasts are we sitting
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to this day Dean 165 what do you think 165 he's been away for all 165 of them
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yeah you're probably none he has been here for the entire start to finish he's a busy man right lots of priorities i
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realize that i realize that and that's you know sometimes you have to forego you know certain issues to
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receive other benefits right that's a bunch of thank you very much that whole the whole nick scene is a
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bunch of that's for sure it's kind of nice to have grandpa as a as your employer too it doesn't hurt probably it doesn't hurt membership has
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its privilege let's be honest i agree i get that um can't blame him well where
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was I going with this whole wonderful I had a wonderful because what a great program we've got and I had this whole
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thing all worked out and then I it it went sideways and off the rails on me with uh this situation good old
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Sometimes Nick he gets you every time doesn't he catherine Maroon that's what I had going nice give me a hell yeah uh
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she will be joining us here shortly for those of you who don't know her shame on
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you well it's been a while since she's been in the game lately she she's the founder of What a Catch uh television
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production company she is the award-winning host of What a Catch uh
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television program a ton of other accolades could be thrown her way in the
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production field and the angling field she's probably fished with some of the
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most recognized fly fishing gurus on the planet yeah I agree all over the world
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uh just a a outdoors person extraordinaire i if you watched her product if you know
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what what uh she does she unlike us
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she fits into her environment so beautifully and seamlessly so what are
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you saying about us oh God have you looked at us lately come on
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put a Fishing Canada hat on and get in a Prince Crab boat and her exactly
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uh just uh she took fishing television fishing to a whole other level for a
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number of years she's got quite a story too with her health with with Lyme disease and they can look at that on
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episode 15 way back when we had her on here if way before there on on Outdoor
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Journal Radio um I broke that story um the reason that she had to stop
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producing the show is that uh she had contracted u Lyme disease probably one
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of the first people that I ever knew yeah that actually got Lyme disease and she got it bad too and she had it bad
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and we have some uh live at that time this program was a live radio show on uh
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Sportsnet in Toronto and um I'll never forget I think it was the second episode
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that we brought her on to talk to her and see how she was doing and
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uh she she broke to us what her daily routine was with this Lyme disease yeah
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it wasn't in terms of self-medication sticking herself with IVs and in bed
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like all day long almost in bed all day long oh it was crazy it was crazy live programming but anyways uh she has since
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recovered and um lives in wonder the thing about her too is that uh she was
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able to conileles in some of the most spectacular parts of the world bermuda
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is where she calls home now but she's come to us from all kinds of exotic
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places um a wonderful woman and uh a wonderful product and she's going to be
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on the program here in a couple of minutes cool and for you fly fishing nuts there you go come on now where we
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get all kinds of emails saying "Well you guys don't do fly fishing." That's right and the last time she was talking about
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hookless fishing fishing about that oh my is right George which I don't totally
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disagree with you know that you know my feelings on that right absolutely i I could I could not like all the time but
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I could go out on outings especially with top water baits i could go out on
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outings without hooks and and enjoy my outing probably as much as with hooks i
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know that's hard for you to believe there's a bunch of well thank you Jimmy and thank you Dean and thank
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you everybody i hate it cuz for me it's more about the We've done it before yeah we have we do it we used to do it when
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we were pre- fishing for tournaments we'd bend the hooks of a jig in like that and and you know we did that obviously just for our own selfish
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reasons trying to catch that fish again and once the tournament was on we got hooks exposed and boom bang in the boat
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but do you do you honestly honestly not like honestly not I'm gonna say yes not
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somebody else okay do you honestly believe that
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you would catch less fish get them to the
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boat and release less fish if you were barbless because you're going to
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experience that very soon that's why I'm asking you this do you honestly believe
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and what is that percentage i would catch less fish i'm sure of it but I I What is that percentage not as high as
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you'd think no but but you're definitely going to lose some fish because of it see I think I think in some cases that
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you would catch more fish barbless okie dokie then and that's for what reason
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how would you two reasons number one because you're cognizant of the fact that you're now fishing barbless and
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therefore you're going to be even more ultra focused and number two I do believe that
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in some cases getting a hook to penetrate into a real bony part of a fish's mouth is much easier without a
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barb than it is with a bar that that could be absolutely if you can get through that bone then absolutely two
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reasons why I think you your game is going to be upped significantly going barbless i think
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you'd have a tough one having a a smallmouth bass a four-pound small mouth trying to fight him any differently than
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you do now because he's going to be jumping all over the place anyways you know what I mean so the odds are good
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that a smallmouth will get off you know they're not good they're not good i think I think you're going to if I think
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you would have lost that fish anyways unless you're acting like a total gagon and and and you know if you're doing
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your and that's why I say you would be ultra focused because you're aware that you're barbless you you'll do a even
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better job well of fighting that's my opinion the thing is I I
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fight the majority of my fish the same I want them in the boat like I do fight
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them very seriously it's all about technique You're like a dog with a stick e it doesn't matter no I said dog with a
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duck you know what I mean not all ducks not all dogs like ducks but they all like but I'm that dog that with that
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duck i'm a duck dog i want other dogs to scratch their nuts and do whatever they want all the I want to go out duck
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hunting and get that duck back to buddy you know what I mean so I'm a duck dog i'm a Nova Scotia duck holder that's the
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dog that I am well you're a duck dog i'm a duck dog when it comes to uh when it comes to duck dog say that five times
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duck knock it was to see exactly be interesting to
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see what Mr cassanza Catherine is doing nowadays with her fishing cuz she she was pretty you know conflicted at the
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time if I Yes she was from a girl that has been setting the hook her whole life to this so that's cool but but being
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into that form of fishing though she's always been a little bit off from our
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standpoint for her it's certainly the visuals I have of her fishing it's more
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about the presentation course always been more about the presentation fly fishing you'll even look at any of the fly fishing uh videos out there right
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now for the most part they do a whole lot of the art of the angling right more than us I'd say so we're not artful are
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we no what the hell are we we're the fart of fishing what are we thank you Dean we're fart is that what you know
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art compared to art we're probably fart we're flatulence we are the stink of it all well yeah maybe i don't know that's
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okay i like being stinky sometimes I feel like we're impotent but you're potent all right
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uh by the way you might have noticed this lovely ensem that I have on today layered a bit of a a bit of a layered
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look you doubled up on her you know I got the fishing camera what's in your pocket there excess wow what are you
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hiding in there papers okay well I put it there so to accentuate I know what it is i guess accentuate the pockets you
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need to see I have You need to flatillate the pockets but you know the lovely uh layering effect with the
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Fishing Canada guard looking good uh all available at fishingcanada uh.com the
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store you can go to store.fishingcanada i don't know if you can do it with that but you might want to go to shop.fishing
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i don't even know why have you I told you to get rid of that you is talking to the wrong dude okay what is our guy okay
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all right our guy Nick uh he's our guy that does that stuff nick takes a lot of
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heat here no doubt about it but now let's what just amongst us what exactly do you do i try to do as little as
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possible you don't want to fish without hooks we already established that well I think that's a given you might want to fire my ass for sure that we're going to
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find out soon um you uh don't want to What else do you No let's go with what
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you do do doodoo he said doodoo you do do a lot of doodoo you definitely do a
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lot he's a doo doo uh where were we this is getting
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nonsense here we got We got Catherine waiting to come on that'll be the serious part okay let's get all this
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shenanigans out and then when Catherine comes on we'll be our calm and calm demeanor and the whole nine yards and
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elegant selves that we can be how can we even have her on this show i'm just thinking about this now you know
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like dragon talking farts and dog and everything exactly and you're going to have the lovely Katherine Moroon on
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the show i think Katherine would appreciate or the way in the back when she's watching saying "Oh those guys are
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funny and silly." I don't know sometimes I'm embarrassed about you you know but anyways that's a whole other story i
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have I have embarrassed myself once i I really felt embarrassed at one time how many times has your wife had to sneak in
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like lean into you saying "Will you stop that?" I don't think ever honestly no
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she's more redneck than me sorry Lisa i love you honey
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uh okay we're done with that i think we can change that so get that the hell out of there uh listener feedback Mr bowman
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todd Cohat via YouTube cohat kh yeah via
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YouTube so now does this mean he qualifies for something because he's via YouTube how no feedback this is not the
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question oh feedback all right carry on fan feedback gentlemen and Pete well
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hey he has been he's already he's clairvoyant here i love the shows in the
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content and I'm not being critical at all but I don't remember the last time you did a saltwater episode let's
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diversify the content a bit i recently moved from Ontario to Vancouver Island so maybe I'm being selfish here imagine
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getting a few ling caught on camera uhhuh i hear that it's fun to catch and it doesn't require much special gear
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maybe even uh drop a few crab prawn traps uh too who knows maybe you can get
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an Orc R3 on camera there you go the Southern Gulf Islands are very accessible and incredibly picturesque
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thank you for still being the best fishing show ever come on now even with
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all those faults he still likes us look at those three handsome bastards yeah
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and and the fish the guys aren't bad either the fish aren't bad either whatever i'll tell you what that's a
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hell of a cod that is like the biggest cod I think I've ever seen ever ever ever and he had his puppets on what were
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those called propets propettes propettes sailor shoes
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we got a couple of butts there nice ones good eating right there so to answer him
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we have not been on the coast of BC for
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a long time but we have been in BC quite a bit i I know for sure that he could
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have released his i doubt very much we released ours was it the rope to give away the gap the
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gap definitely with the rope I think doesn't it anyway I remember that that was fun oh they're good it was delicious
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too they call those uh chicken halibet yep right they're small little ones and they're shallow these are the shallow
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fish those are only in 350 ft of water yeah you don't want to get out 500 no no
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this was inland shore top water top water over that no um so we have not
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been to the coast i'm going to say probably 30 years oh come on really well
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think about it think I'm talking the coast not BC we've done a lot of work in BC no no i'm I'm trying to Yeah the last
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time we were on the coast on the coast coast you know what i
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think Reno and I were at Langera during 911 911 i remember it cuz we had to stay
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there no that's right you were now I remember that too so was that our last trip oh my god that's the last time that
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we shot on the coast west Coast wow so how many years is that you got the
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calculator going by you were there on 911 that's correct
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yeah so you're 24 years ago i said I said almost 30 that was pretty close i
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should get something for that you know you should get this give me a hell yeah there you go dean's very generous today
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i did I like I don't know whether this to be true go Dean dean put your guard up get the shield going did I hear that
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you now have a whole assortment of other buttons to push do you want to share
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some with your your your fellow students here sure i've got Macho Man yeah I know i'm living in a nightmare
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i've got just a normal applause i have Wow owen Wilson i have Mike Tyson spinal
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what i like that and I have this
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okay there you go have you got that one approved tyson say I I actually looked into it there's no uh there's no laws as
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long as you don't use it in the same context as which it was said you're fine wow joe Joe will let you go get away
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with that apparently I can cut it if we hear back but yeah
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so you're not 100% but I'd love the classic Canadian right there i
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love it what did Tyson say in that one what was he spinal spinal did you ever see the one he uh he lost a fight and
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then the the interviewer asked him what happened and he says "I broke my back."
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And he says "What do you mean spinal?" He was the best remember the time you
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said he hit the guy hitting the equilibrium or something got my shots at the equilibrium
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mike was the best is the best still the best yeah he is i
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love him on his last appearance oh my god he's a weed smoking freak now eh oh my god you should see him on these
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YouTube shows is he he's got to be 60s high 60s our age between you and I
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somewhere I'd say in that area wow huh anyway wow yeah I I don't know where we
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were but let's get back to where we are where we are that was Yeah so the the
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west saltwater uh Yeah it's been 20 some odd years on the far uh left coast but
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on the right coast we were close there be a funy that's That's right
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there and we've done it for the last five six years we've been fishing we've And then prior to that we did tuna we
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did yeah so so Todd just wants us to go west instead of east okay so going He's absolutely right and I think if I'm not
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mistaken the uh process is already in place we're working on it for our 40th
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season coming up i believe we may be on the left coast we're going to try
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depends on tourism helping us out too you know what I mean all this stuff has to come together it's a big deal it's a big deal now so so you can't like you
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have So you're dependent on somebody else to to get you there or is that Well we're not going to depend on the Fishing
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Canada paychecks you're not going to pay for all our wages to our wages plus the flights plus everything so we need some
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We need some assistance on this right well a partner a partner well then let's
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You know what um who is this todd Cohat apparently our people are working on it
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but they need some assistance uh to make it happen so you know anybody in tourism Todd if you know anybody that
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knows somebody who knows somebody uh tell them you need us out there you need us out there badly it's been 20
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something years two four years i wonder how many people now are
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thinking that we're joking and or maybe the ones that don't think we're joking are appalled uh by the sound of that
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well I think if they if they I mean we could give them an approximate cost what would it cost us you wouldn't know what
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would cost us to shoot a showc let's say a fourman crew went out there it's okay it's not just the shoot no no but I'm
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saying everything if somebody was to commission a producer to produce what we
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produce and then air what we distribute
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broadcast air um what we do you couldn't buy folks 60 to $100,000
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you couldn't buy it oh my you could not buy it how's that sound now and I'm
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talking just the the the the the core costs right now if you add to that that
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we bring 40 years of brand recognition
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to the project I don't think there is a price to be honest with you like there's
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not a book that we can go through and say "Oh based on that that's what it's worth." That would have been a good Jim Condor right there Dean but most
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40 years of anyways he's not bullshitting it's a very expensive endeavor to get
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realize that just a trip in on right where we're living here just a trip in Ontario we take the full crew two
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vehicles a lot of times two boats a lot of times oh my god you have no idea what the co well you know now with the cost
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of living just the price of gas and all that stuff if we're paying for motel rooms halfway up or something like it's
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an expense all the meals she's not cheap that's for And you know we have to some of the crew members not mentioning they
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have some habits that you have to kind of feed as well what is that what are you thinking what are you saying there
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you know you got a little something
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no I'm kidding he is joking on that one folks we're good boys we're We're probably the most squeaky clean
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television crew we like our beers we like our night no not there's no time for it
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exactly and uh yeah little red wine to supper and you're snoring you're dragging your sorryory ass to bed so you
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could get up 4 hours later and do it all over again yep i hope we answered Todd's
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Did we Did we Did we So thanks for the South Coast very accessible so this was
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definitely not a question does not qualify for any like the linkod somebody
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said linkod or Yeah link is also one they're awesome they're like they'd be a
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great fish to to go back and anybody now is that like that's a West Coast cod
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right that's a Yeah a cod atlantic cod that's the Atlantic because there is a
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cod out west yeah i don't know as compared to the ling cod I don't know it's not a lingod yeah i don't know
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we've caught them i know that lingod's a nasty beast the wolf uh wolfish it's
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called wolfish as well with that head yeah that is insane scary fish insane
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you see a wolf wolfish on a on a He wouldn't crush that you ever seen him with a pop can you ever see that wolfy
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they cut the heads off and they I think it's a wolfish and they put the pop can on his mouth when it's headless and it crushes it opens right that's a badass
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fish right there all right uh hopefully we've answered
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that question we beat it to death as they say we did for sure conservation
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corner brought to you by Invasive Species Center let me scratch this up
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there you're scratching out some stuff well I just wanted to say conservation corner brought to you by the invasive
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species center uh they are in the know what center center i like that it is
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sentra uh he did change i was wondering if he was going to have that change
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i wasn't going to give him you were like a like a hunter over decoys right there wanted to see
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how if he was paying attention at all so uh hey did you know that uh uh your
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favorite species of sport fish could be at risk could be in peril large mouth small mouth muskies pikes perches keep
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going buddy keep going rainbow brown bull everything and and the reason being
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uh the creature that's putting all this uh at risk is the grass carp
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uh one of four species of Asian carp uh with the potential to uh out compete our
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native species for resources and have negative effects on species that Peter just mentioned and more by the way cuz
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there's coarse fish that it would have an impact on as well that we're not even putting on this list which you're also
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would uh they're not a sport fish but carp would be in danger as well right of course the common and the mirror carp
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would be as well creatures Wow it's you know the the common denominator
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we've been talking the tench now lately too going back to the grass carp and that every one of them puts our sport
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fish at risk anytime you introduce something new and you know I mean and and and to me an invasive species is one
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that wasn't there yesterday yep not 10 20 30 40 50 years ago because by now
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that is no longer an invasive species the common carp exactly it's it's now an
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adapted species or whatever you call it you know exactly naturalized thank you Dean we sometimes
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we struggle for words and we need help from somebody that is so uh
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obviously better educated than we are you should have put through Mike Tyson in there right there instead of that that would have sounded better for me
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spinal that's the word I'm looking for Mikey
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thank you um so but but but something that's invasive to me is it's it's not here now or it's here in very low
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numbers that's the one we got to be careful with right and today we're talking about one that fits that
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category and that's the grass carp uh they can consume up to 40% of their body
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weight every single day that's the fear not because they'll eat uh uh other fish
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but they will out compete other fish in whatever environment they happen to get into by consuming uh the vital u uh
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nutrition that all game fish regardless of whether they're they're planteaters
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or meat eaters uh they all rely on vegetation and uh eating 40% of your
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weight every day in aquatic vegetation you can do the math it wouldn't take long to dust like a like a person like a
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200lb man if he ate 40% of his body weight every day oh that's a dent on whatever he's eating you know what I
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mean and they can weigh up to 80 lbs apparently so you're talking about a big fish here you know what I mean then
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let's see the average is 20 or 30 lbs they're still eating a lot five six pounds a day multiply that by God knows
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how many thousands could get into a waterway yeah you look at down in the US and you see some of those rivers with the you know all the different carbs
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they have that's a lot of consumption going on now fortunately for us uh although
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there is DNA evidence and actual evidence of some of these fish in our
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waterways very very low numbers uh they have not established their they haven't
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got a grasp on our waterways as of yet and that's why it's important to uh keep
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yourself informed and why it's important for the invasive uh species center to continually delivering this message out
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to all of us that spend time on the water as anglers you know it's the one thing that we can do and that is be
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vigilant we need to be totally informed on what this creature looks like where it comes from how we have to deal with
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it if and when which will happen uh encounter one in the field and it's
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vital if we want to keep this thing uh out of our head head to asiancarp.ca to learn how to identify
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grass carp compare it with common lookalikes and download the reporting guide right there that or it
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all right in the news brought to you by J&B Cycle and Marine j&b Cycle and
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Marine uh in the news tournamentwide skunking in Elliot Lake
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Fishing Derby this is the first time I ever heard of this one for sure they apparently up in up in Elliot Lake um
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they have an annual fishing derby it's a it's a fundraiser which is a great thing you know what I mean but they had uh it
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was March 15th of 25 just passed they had 183 registered anglers wow uh and
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not one person it was a three-hour event only oh okay but not one person caught a
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fish oh my uh what were they targeting i don't I would assume perch tournament
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holy sh perch tournament and not one caught wow
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holy so obviously with the they were paying 113 bucks each um and since there
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was no prize winner what they actually did was they awarded the the big prize
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via a draw which is fair you know what I mean a lot of them were going to that yeah they're doing that on been How do
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you feel about that i don't mind that this is great i think 9,100 bucks to
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anybody now anybody's got a chance everybody Everybody in the that's paid their 113 bucks has a chance for $9,100
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and I don't I don't find that to be a bad thing at all even like uh the St st lawrence tournament where they have that draw for the boat the big prize is that
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draw for a boat you know what I mean so I don't mind that which is the big prize that's that I think is the big prize it
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has to be which to me you know I don't want to get off topic here but to me that kind of you know everybody wins
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we have no losers uh peace love and all that stuff but you can choose to fish or
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not fish that event right or those events so you just want Cup does it pretty well where like you can still win
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something but everyone gets their name in the hat see to me to me the big prize
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both in terms of value and perception needs to go to the person or team who
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figured it out who worked hard pre-ishing who endured all of the conditions the weather the competition
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the fish the boat the techn that's who wins the tournament yep
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right that's and they deserve to win the tournament it's like any sporting tournament you don't give you don't draw
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the prize for the you know but I think this being a fundraiser is different it's a three-hour event you know etc like that i got off topic carry on no no
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i I agree with you 100% um because the Bassmaster Classic you don't want the guy that think about that yeah i mean
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he's the guy Oh you did great there but let's throw out of a hat to see who really wins the big money bubba Smith
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from Arkansas meanwhile Bubba weighed in three fish and weighed in 11 pounds exactly i don't think that's right no
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it's not right in that sense so but anyways um yeah so um I think what they're doing I think most people they
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say most people were happy with it they didn't you know they wanted to catch fish but they're happy with the outcome because they didn't get to a fundraiser
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etc did anybody look into this Dean is there any more information on this because there's something wrong here if
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you have 183 boats well not boats ice fishing oh ice fishing sorry but still you might It's a
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It's the equivalent of a flotilla of boats in a bay or or wherever this took
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place and not one fish is caught in 3 hours there's something yeah they're
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abandoning this lake for next year's event for sure oh you think but but is
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this something worthy of uh M&R for example looking into it because this is
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a great sample size it's only one event but you've got a lot of people involved and I'm sure it was all live bait i'm
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sure they're dropping minnows down for perch for sure how in the hell do you not get one fish one perchie holy smokes
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this is a M&R thing for sure that they got to look into maybe they had a size limit maybe there's a 12-in size limit
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nobody came above that nobody was sudden that so maybe I don't know all right it is yeah you're interesting but um it's
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the Elliot Lake Ice Fishing Derby was uh it was an RTR right Track Racing was the
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fundraiser for us so I'd be concerned if I'm uh the uh people in charge of
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tourism for Elliot Lake i'll tell you that right now because because it's not just about the perch fishing but if this
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represents the condition of the perch fishery I'm also concerned about the
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regular sport fish who predate on perch
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how are they going to do this coming year right so a lot of uh a lot of
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lights just went on with this a lot of lights
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right on anyway that's all available the whole story we butchered it up pretty good for you dean you've got this story sitting on fishingcanada.com yep it'll
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be there is it better than what we just made it up much better much better and did you write this story yes I did and
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uh I'm sure it's wonderful i'm sure so so you know what he's going to do he's probably writes it all perfect in the website so that we do look like a pair
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of idiots was a purch i think yeah maybe bring me I'll get it all written out perfect and Pete and
32:49
Angela tools that's the like that see then then that's what bothers me sometimes because we have all the tools
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in place it's not like we go out without tools we have tools every time we do something we have all our tool boxes
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full and what do we do we carry it onto the job site put her down on the job
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site and then you and I like a couple of buffoons we just start using our hands on take a stick and hammer with it does
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that make any sense at all sure like any of this make any sense to you not really but I don't know where you're going with this but no I'm just saying he wrote he
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writes this stuff all we have to do is read it we don't even we don't even do a good job of that just Well let's do that
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exact verbatim on the fan question how's that all right fan question of the week brought to you by Fishinder we're going
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need to go check them out right now if you own a boat I guess you can't do it if you don't own a boat you have to own
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have fishfindermounts.com paraphernalia hanging down those holes i'll guarantee you that and then the guys that maybe
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on fan question bro is uh submitted by James Morland 3899 via YouTube and this
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is a question Angelo so if you deem YouTube so this is Yeah if he subscribed which Dean I'm assuming he's going to
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be so Did you have a drum roll in in in there somewhere uh no i I'll add that
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next time yeah add that in just like a because it really adds to the suspense you know something like this this guy could be winning a 100 buckaroos i would
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play the drum roll through the whole reading of the question if it was me producing the show you're right i'll add
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it i'm just saying now that you've got that new box new box it's blank i So
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congratulations he says "Boss can I get a new box?" And I said "Well how much is that box going to cost?" And he So they
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I had two guys three guys research and they tell me I said "Okay do you think we need Yep." I buy it and now the box
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is sitting half empty yeah I know i'm living a nightmare
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that's my problem oh yeah curiosity man Elizabeth I'll
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contain myself congratul Okay okay from I'll go back to James app James Morland 3899 via YouTube congratulations on 40
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years after being on various flying fishing trips with friends and family I've noticed that something magical
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about a fishing trip brings out the practical joker in all of us for the crew is what are the best
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pranks or practical jokes you can remember from a fishing Canada fishing trip also as a former Ontarian and now
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proud Maritimer i appreciate all the East Coast content keep it up and thanks for the laughs
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east Coaster now from Ontario moved out there wasn't Turner was it i the the one
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that comes to mind to me uh and I've told this story on this show before but
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it wasn't during production of a Fishing Canada episode it was during uh production of Outdoor Journal Television
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back in the good old days good old O DJ old DJ we used to do a lot of pranking on that one i don't know why it was just
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different crews and different environments I guess but the one that comes to mind is the one that uh I' I've
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told you here before um this guy has no like like is there's no blood in his in
36:45
his veins it's all ice right cuz nothing phases him doesn't matter you know you
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know you could be yelling "Peter I'm dying hurry up." And he would walk out of the boat and just drag his feet the
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same way he would if you didn't say that i'd collect the robe okay ultimately save you i would
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save you like nothing phases them so one time we're on a shoot uh I don't know where we were but uh the rest of the
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crew and I we uh decided we're we're going to pull something off we were staying in a dungey dreary scary spooky
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uh environment uh it was a third world third world country somewhere it was we
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were let's put it this way none of us slept in the beds that night we slept
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standing up in the corner that's how bad this place was but in the bathroom in
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the bathroom uh there was uh very poor lighting in fact if I
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remember correctly the light was sort of in the hallway just adjacent lighting the bathroom a little bit uh the very
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low lighting and the curtain rod was sort of you know in the standup shower next to the to the toilet and the the
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shower were kind of one unit it was weird but anyways so we decided that we were going to try and see if we could
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get his uh blood rate or his heart rate up a little bit that night we may have had a couple of drinks i'm not sure
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maybe maybe but the the deal was he and and Pete and I were were staying in that
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room and so the deal was that the crew was going to entertain him for an extra
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20 minutes that night and I was going to go up to bed because one thing that he does after 40 years of traveling on the
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road I can tell you that he is like a book i know every move he's going to make and one of the moves that is his
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trademark uh at the end of the night he will come into his room or wherever he is and he's going to go have a piss
38:46
immediately whether he needs to or not just standard equipment and then he goes before bed cuz you don't want to hold
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that sucker all night right exactly so anyway so we knew that so I said "Okay here's what we're going to do you guys
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detain him for a bit i'm going to go up ahead um and uh I'm going to go hide in
39:03
that that behind the curtain in that shower stall that's jury and spiderw webs and everything all over and then
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when he pulls the gun out and he's starting to unload I'm going to jump out
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of that thing and I'm going to scare the hell out of that it'll be great and and we'll come up behind him and we'll see
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if we can capture it and we'll we'll it'll be great so anyway so that's what we did so I went up there and I got just
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getting in behind this was such a spooky place just getting in that shower stall
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and hiding behind the curtain scared the hell out of me just being there but anyway so I get in there and sure 15
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minutes later he comes up i hear him plotting into the room dragging his feet like he always does and he goes uh comes
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in and he you know unzips and and I waited i waited i like my heart rate you
39:49
could imagine how excited I was right like I couldn't even see anymore my blood pressure was jumping through the room but I wanted to wait i gave him
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time i wanted to catch him midstream right i wanted this to be the big show
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so I waited i waited and then I just just let it all i just pulled back the
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curtain and He's holding on he's looking up at me oh
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hey buddy what are you doing in there god is truth this is a true story
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it is a true story so it pranked on me cuz I think I pissed myself during that experience maybe I turn pissed on you
40:27
maybe oh god and he didn't miss a stroke he finished He finished urinating and it
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was it well you got to finish her up right shake her off a little bit so that's the one that comes there's been
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so many uh but that was I remember and you'll you can help me on this one uh I was the the perpetrator here so Reno it
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was on pilot leg i remember it was a pilot leg and and Reno has always been afraid of mice one of his biggest fears
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was mice and I found a dead mouse somewhere in that camp and an I said to
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an Reno I hate saying mice or something like that he goes "Oh yeah he does." I says "We got to get him." And did I not
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put it in a sandwich or something like that or did we not put it between two pieces of bread i believe you believe it's supposed to be for our lunch and I
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had it sort of set aside and when we when when we opened up the lunch or whatever it says Reno what kind of sandwich did you did you get and he
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opened those two pieces of bread and he his pants he screamed and threw that mouse about 100 miles so I remember
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that one that's one of the ones I do I don't remember very many guys I mean I can understand girls maybe but but guys
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some big burly like scruffy knuckle they're afraid of mice like to the point
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where he screams like a little girl he went nuts and he wanted to kill me it was all worth it but he wanted to kill
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me so yeah we we don't prank a lot each other a lot though i will say on the on
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the in the field we don't prank a bunch and we don't shoot a lot of out takes and we don't do all that stuff we could
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but we just don't i don't know why you think we would more knowing our personality you'd say "Oh my god these
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guys must be nuts on the road." But we don't really do it eh it's a shame it is we We've had We missed some good
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opportunities for sure all righty main segment the reason we're here today how exciting is this you're not here for me
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speaking about a breath of fresh air I just found out before we uh we went live
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with this uh piece that it's been two years katherine Katherine shame on you
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katherine Maroon on the show now uh shame on her shame on you where have you
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been give her a break come on now
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oh welcome to the show way too long welcome back to the show yes way too long way way way too long thank you guys
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it's great to be able to catch up with you i've been following along and even though we haven't been uh speaking uh
44:29
because uh obviously you've been busy look at this fabulous podcast that you
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have built for all of us i was up all night no you were you were not i was I
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was I because I just traveled back from California so I was up all night watching your different podcasts i am a
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sub subscriber yay nice nice can we give Catherine a prize guys maybe i have to
44:56
ask a question to get a prize oh oh true she is watching good for her i do i love
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your podcast and I also love everything that you guys do for conservation and
45:08
for fishing and for passing along the torch to young anglers to give them the
45:15
the spark uh the little nibble that to set the hook so that they're into caring
45:23
about all things fishy so um I know with
45:28
uh the bass fishing tournaments you guys care about making sure that these young people are getting on the boats that
45:34
they have access to a boat and that they understand what's happening with the
45:40
zebra muscles and the different issues we have environmentally i love that on your podcast you're
45:47
sharing with people uh not just how to catch a fish but what's happening in their neck of the woods and um you also
45:56
allow different points of view which is one of the reasons you've invited me here today because I might be a little
46:05
bit to one end of the spectrum when it comes to uh fishing and I appreciate you guys
46:13
always honestly listening and giving me a chance to uh explain why I do things
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the way I do and why I feel the way I do about things yeah so I think what Katherine is alluding to last time you
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were on this program um you you kind of uh broke a big one on us and that was
46:35
that you started looking into this new form of fishing this is a shocker which
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by the way and he'll he'll verify this afterwards i was intrigued to the point where I said to the guys why not and
46:49
that is that you went to a total hookless concept of fishing which
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probably needs a different a new a new name because it's probably not called fishing anymore but it was a Why don't
47:03
we call it uh today we'll brand it on your show we'll call it kissing a fish
47:08
instead of catching a fish there you go you see the fish um Jimmy Houston will be right in there read them with her
47:14
perfect wow are you still pursuing that
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oh gosh that's such a big question i know there's a million questions by the way this is just one yeah well I
47:28
think I mean long pause for drama there um there is drama
47:35
it's so complicated and I've been trying to find my way okay and where I've ended
47:41
up one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you guys today is because I need your help to find a way forward it used to be
47:49
that the most exciting part of fishing for me was to be able to be close to the fish because I love the fish uh some
47:57
women love a Louis Vuitton or um you know whatever it is i love fish i'm
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intrigued by fish the lives of fish the people who fish the places where fish are and so when I used to go fishing I
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would catch the fish i want it to hold it i want it to be in its world right
48:19
and I was told at that time that fish didn't feel pain so all of it was okay with me um and then science caught up
48:27
and said you know this isn't really a good time for the fish and they do feel
48:33
pain in a different way than we feel pain they see really well they hear they
48:38
learn they have organized families and I thought well gosh I I don't think I can do this now because I'm a softhe-hearted
48:46
person and I want other people to fish and learn how to fish but for me I I'm
48:53
on a journey right now to try to find out what my relationship is with fish
48:59
can I still call myself an angller if I'm not catching a fish and this is the
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question um however the revelation
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here we go here we go i got adjust
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i can I can still be of use and and contribute in a positive way so say for
49:24
example invasive species um I can go into an area and help when they're
49:30
trying to catch an invasive species in an area and I can dispatch the fish
49:36
quickly and humanely as my contribution and maybe when I'm doing that
49:42
um that is a positive thing for that area but the other thing I'm doing is I
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am trying to figure out I I'm hungry okay what am I going to
49:58
eat and that's why a lot of us fish right we fish we all love to eat fish
50:05
well most of us do and we want because they get rigamort so quickly and and the
50:11
meat can go badly so quickly we like to catch a fish know how it was handled you
50:18
know dispatch it quickly um bleed it get it into a cooler to keep the the
50:24
temperature down and know how long it it's was when it was caught where it was
50:30
caught the quality of the water all of those complicated things can it can that
50:35
body of water sustain a harvest um you know and then we we eat this we
50:42
eat this fish so um I was fishing in California on the
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bay in the bay by in the bay for
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sustenance however because I know fish feel and all of these things that we
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just talked about or that I just yabbered on about I need your help to help me get
51:09
past this yeah you know this contradiction this contradiction this moment of conflict
51:16
within your life right yes i'm having trouble to do the hook set right and
51:23
that next part of it and so that's why I've come to you guys because I really
51:28
do want to have fish in my diet i want to be the one that catches the fish so I
51:36
know it's been looked after properly for food handling as well as how it was
51:42
caught and environmentally can it sustain a harvest but I I was in
51:48
California and you know um I I couldn't take the rod wow can you imagine that's
51:56
tough that's that's tough i can't imagine but that is tough yeah for sure
52:02
the conflict there is unbelievable isn't it so you're you're worried more about the collateral damage of other fish like
52:09
if you're going to keep one to eat if you're fishing for a fish and that one you want to keep maybe there's something else that you catch beforehand or after
52:15
that's the ones you're worried about more than anything like hurting those fish is that part of your I think she's worried about that fish that she's going
52:21
to eat well not I mean not you can't be worried about that because also you should be worried then about the
52:26
invasive species that you're catching to kill and all that stuff too right i mean it's a different thought but you're going to kill that fish anyways to eat
52:32
so Well it sounds like So that's a good question so the it that's a big question
52:38
um it's a it's a crisis of heart right right all right so I see a fish as
52:46
though it's a a puppy or a kitten most people don't they don't see the face
52:51
they don't see the perfect hang on for one second before I forget how's your chicken how's your chicken that that
52:57
crazy chicken that used to chase you around last time we spoke oh my goodness thank you for asking um so this chicken
53:06
is now just not this chicken because chickens are like tattoos you can't just have one apparently i don't have any
53:12
tattoos but um I had you know this chicken because the guys were feeding it
53:18
in the park and it jumped the fence and then we had to get it in a coupe well then I went away to see the doctor
53:26
because I have Lyme disease you know and I I went to uh California to get help with the Lyme disease you know how this
53:32
is you've been bitten by ticks you have um traveled this journey and you you stay you know you've helped people to
53:38
stay safe by educating people about the dangers of this but what happened when I
53:44
was away my husband I said to him "Now make sure that you put the eggs in the refrigerator when I'm
53:51
gone." Well I came back i said "You put the eggs in the refrigerator right?" He said "No I just shook them." And I said
53:57
"Well honey shook them you You know this is not scrambled eggs you know how the
54:02
birds and the bees you know all about that." So we ended up with two little
54:08
chickens they were beautiful yeah so we had this white hen called Snowball and
54:15
she had little black babies that we called um um Thelma and Louise oh my god
54:24
and then Louise crowed uhoh and so we called them Thelma and
54:29
Luigi but then Theelma croed oh no so then we called them we called them
54:36
Captain Kirk and Spock but I now have three roosters oh god and six hens and
54:46
of course I'm out of town right now and it is the spring uhoh and I hope Lou has
54:53
put the eggs in the refrigerator but who knows
54:58
what's the name of the original the the crazy one what was the original's name or is the original so So now we have um
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loose we have uh Captain Kirk Spock
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Rooster the Rooster Snowball Black Bass wow
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penelope and Braveheart wow very creative yes and my husband
55:23
just so you guys know he's my fishing buddy and he is like you guys like he
55:29
loves to catch fish he loves to fish but he needs to catch fish right i'm the
55:35
type of angller that it's about who I'm spending the day with it's about the you
55:40
know everything around me the majesty of the place meeting the people finding out
55:47
you know like what's happening with the with the area um the experience you're
55:53
you're there for the experience right no and and I love to catch the fish i'll get right in the water with them you
56:00
know that you've seen me with these big fish and I'm right in the water cuz I don't want to take them out of the water
56:06
but at the end of the day if you had a choice Catherine if if if it was possible that you you had a choice you
56:14
could either be a fish catching machine which I am which you are which you are
56:20
but you could continue along those lines okay being a fish catching machine but there is no and pardon this there's no
56:26
foreplay it's just the catch okay or or that same wandwaving individual
56:34
that can make your wishes come true says "You know what Catherine you're never going to catch a fish again you're never
56:39
going to experience that that tug that that whatever it is that rush that you get but but you're going to be totally
56:48
immersed in those wonderful outdoor adventures that you love as well." Which
56:54
one would you choose the good news is the good news is
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um that you don't have to choose i thought you were going to say there's no such thing as fairies
57:06
yeah so I I I don't have to choose because part of the beautiful thing for
57:13
me is laying out line you know to hear the the line
57:18
right whipping in the wind right you're out there you see the sun it's back lit
57:24
this the line is twinkling the water sprays off the line when it hits the end of its trajectory i got you and the
57:32
water looks like diamonds and you see the fish rising and you're watching the
57:38
the birds around and you're hearing all of that and you're breathing in the
57:43
forest green and like my god right and and and then you
57:53
um you get to you get to be face to face
57:58
with an alien these these sentient beings so now here's the problem no one
58:06
is asking the fish how they feel about the experience and as I'm getting older
58:12
I know enough to know that I don't know mhm i really know very little at this
58:17
stage in my life which is why I'm a better listener and I really care about
58:24
other people's points of view and other fish's points of view i think it's
58:29
reasonable to go out and catch a fish for sustenance i wonder if we need to be
58:35
more thoughtful in our approach we don't need to rip every lip we can do we can
58:42
kiss the fish mhm you know that's just how that's where I am at my age and
58:48
stage in life when you were when you were starting this or when you were younger when you started catherine's a
58:54
fly fly angler by the way pardon what's that just teasing he said when I was
59:00
younger no no years back when you were angling for
59:06
your TV show and all that did you have any of these thoughts or was it set I got to get that fish i got to catch that
59:12
fish at that hook i'm going to bring it in and I'm going to show the camera or I'm going to for myself having fun and all that stuff was that you before it
59:17
was never about showing the camera it was always about I want to go to India
59:24
and be with a golden mahasir in a a place with a culture that
59:33
I'm learning about with people that love and are ambassadors for their area
59:40
that's what it was and as a matter of fact um I I tried and
59:48
I have been trying to hunt down some of my fishing buddies like you guys that's how um you know I sent out a little note
59:57
to Angelo and said "Listen we got to catch up man we got stuff we got to we got to catch up i got to tell you I'm
1:00:02
hungry i need your advice on what I can eat like what's safe to eat now because
1:00:09
I used to eat the sardines at the top of the water right cuz they were the small fish everyone said they don't have the
1:00:17
he you know the heavy metals and all that stuff don't eat the big um tuna eat
1:00:22
the little guys uh but now we know because I've cooked them um they have
1:00:28
microlastics in them i go to the grocery store and get a a a bunch of these bring them home for you know cook them up in
1:00:35
the pan for breakfast and I'm finding little beads little microlastics and and
1:00:41
um so I did some research and then I started trying to eat okay well I'll eat
1:00:47
stuff that's down on the bottom not up at the top well then I find out that we've got a lot of problem with heavy
1:00:53
metals with those and so then I thought okay now I'm like Goldilocks this bed's
1:01:00
too big this bed's too small this bed's just right i think the fish in the middle like the salmon and the trout and
1:01:09
the stuff that's swimming in the middle of the water column not too big not too small i think that's where I need to be
1:01:15
i think you need to be I need to hook you up with our principal photographer
1:01:20
no I need to hook you up with our principal photographer Va uh because he
1:01:26
has figured out a way around this cadundrum uh he just doesn't eat any of
1:01:31
that anymore so he's gone the extreme other way right so that there's problem
1:01:38
solved i'm extreme and I've tried all kinds of different ways to
1:01:44
um be able to be comfortable with the fact that
1:01:50
people harvest living things for sustenance right okay so I don't just
1:01:57
struggle with the harvesting of fish i struggle with factory farming practices
1:02:03
so I like to know the person who is looking
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after the animals that are sustenance for us i like to know what they're
1:02:17
eating how they're being treated i like to know all that um because it matters
1:02:24
right i I think it matters for sure and and I think you're not the only person feeling this way it's a movement
1:02:32
certainly in this country um that people are starting to get a little more curious about where
1:02:38
their food comes from and how it's uh uh raised and how it's harvested and what's
1:02:44
in it and what it ate and all that stuff the things that you're saying i think the majority of maybe listeners of this
1:02:49
program have gone through this and are living it now is it realistic uh
1:02:58
maybe not maybe not is it realistic but we can certainly work towards I got a point on I'd like to say Katherine is is
1:03:05
looking for this mid layer of fish to eat now you got to remember that every
1:03:12
fish in the lake is eating something else which is eating something else which could be on the surface it could
1:03:17
be on the bottom it could be anywhere in between so these fish are are getting their life sustained by the heavy metals
1:03:23
maybe and all that so I mean is there a winning layer here maybe not so you know
1:03:29
what I mean that's why we really need to care about
1:03:34
the environment and try to remediate our waters and agreed yes i think we're all
1:03:43
realizing this that the days of our kids I don't have kids but everyone's kids or my kids going into the grocery stores
1:03:50
and not being able to identify uh what an eggplant is or what
1:03:56
a you know this is we're so removed from our food and I feel at this point in my
1:04:05
life that I don't want to make some farmer do the the dirty work all the
1:04:11
time or some angller on a deep sea uh you know crawler who's basically being
1:04:18
treated like a modern-day slave to bring me food i want to be the person that is
1:04:26
going out and bringing back the protein for my family and at my own hand that I
1:04:34
I'm honoring this animal for sacrificing its its life so that I can have this
1:04:41
sustenance i have a a health issue um where I can't metabolize
1:04:48
polyphenols so that's your colorful fruits and vegetables and your red wine and that sort of thing so being a
1:04:55
vegetarian it's out of the question is not a choice for me and I supplement with
1:05:00
malibdinum and it helps me so I can eat these things in
1:05:06
moderation um but I need
1:05:12
to eat protein from a living thing um
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I'm having trouble it's a struggle now you're living you're still living in Bermuda
1:05:24
i do live in Bermuda and everything is shipped in but I have a garden i grow as
1:05:30
much as I can i have my chickens and my eggs and I'm a chicken tender that's
1:05:35
what they call someone who looks after chickens my chickens come when they're called
1:05:41
they love them oh my goodness you guys i know I'm a city girl but I I got a bit
1:05:48
of country in me i love I love my birds i got to interrupt you would an individual of
1:05:55
those chickens be "Hey black mass get over here." Will the black mass come over like a dog would or do they all
1:06:00
come over to you well they'll all come over cuz they want what I'm about to give exactly exactly so I do give
1:06:07
sardines to my chickens okay yes
1:06:12
i feed them oh yes i You know anyway I love my birds but what did you have for
1:06:18
breakfast guys what did you guys eat for breakfast this morning i just want to know what kind of food you're eating how are you what are you doing for
1:06:25
sustenance i I do an intermittent fast so I will eat later today my my first
1:06:30
meal will I made a fruit and vegetable smoothie that's about my my first meal will be today so wow that's how you're
1:06:37
staying so chelt for you mine is uh similar i don't eat breakfast never have
1:06:43
just unless we're on the road and then everybody wants to have breakfast and all but normally uh no no breakfast but
1:06:50
uh I may or may not have an egg something or other uh for just something
1:06:59
midday and then uh I'll have a meal but I've been on a pretty strict diet the
1:07:04
last uh several months so I'm probably not a good example to ask no you're
1:07:10
probably a great example well maybe you're on a strict diet you're finally I'm interested i'm interested so what is
1:07:15
this strict diet what is it you're eating well I'm I'm eating meat uh fish
1:07:23
a lot of fish um zero zero wheat i've cut wheat out of my diet
1:07:30
completely um salt has been cut out uh several
1:07:35
years ago but I still am on that no salt um uh no sugar
1:07:42
zero sugar and a lot of along with like I'm eating really well along with my
1:07:48
meat and fish I eat a ton of veggies like a ton of veggies
1:07:56
overdose on veggies every day so that's that's my diet but no garbage zero
1:08:01
garbage when I grow up I want to be just like you because that's what we're all striving to to do so I'm not that
1:08:09
disciplined apparently uh but I I think we're all likeminded like I didn't I
1:08:16
didn't have breakfast this morning i need to give up the caffeine i'm Well I'm Why do you need to give up
1:08:23
polyphenols i have a problem with polyphenols okay that makes sense and that's But it's my last vice yeah so
1:08:30
hang on to that one well it's not my last vice uhoh i'm going to pull out a beer here i have I have a little a
1:08:36
little bouty here because I want to celebrate
1:08:42
Angelo's welldeserved and well earned uh award
1:08:48
the King's Coronation Medal hello hello uh so uh I have some friends are going
1:08:55
to join us in toasting you i have the champers wow look at you and we have
1:09:01
three glasses for your studio oh no we do we have three glasses for your studio
1:09:08
and I have three glasses here you are a beauty for our studio only Catherine
1:09:14
only Catherine i would I would break my fast for a drink of champagne right now that's for sure absolutely so people are
1:09:20
going to join me i have Sean my cameraman all right hi Sean long long
1:09:26
time uh friend from Ontario guys nice nice um so we have Sabrina because I
1:09:32
have a new family here hey Sabrina hi guys john you guys uh we're announcing
1:09:38
live on your show that I have a new family at VPC vpc
1:09:47
uh here in Baltimore can everybody see here i'm going to pop down i've got everybody it's We can see everybody you
1:09:53
got everybody okay what's this what's this breaking
1:09:59
news what are we announcing so um this is very exciting so Sean was in retire
1:10:06
early retirement uh because his retina detached i was you know not well enough
1:10:15
uh because you with the house exploding the gas explosion the traumatic brain injury the Lyme disease the balance
1:10:22
issue you know I couldn't be on boats and that sort of thing so they put a plate in my neck i need two more plates
1:10:29
but we went fishing for the first time in California looking for food um two
1:10:36
days ago and where abouts whereabouts are you in California are you now now I
1:10:41
was in California i was in San Francisco now I'm in Baltimore okay because when I realized that I was going
1:10:49
to be able to go fishing again I I know there are other people out there like me
1:10:54
that are struggling with what to eat and um people who fished along with me want
1:11:03
to know how I'm working through this crisis of conscience really and and so
1:11:13
these guys here are my family like your family there they're going to help bring
1:11:19
um these journeys back to everyone so what a
1:11:25
catch is coming back on the air yay nice that's fantastic congratulations so um I
1:11:33
just by way of introduction here we are your family our family and um Sabrina
1:11:41
has three boys and I I have no right to ask anything of you guys but I have an
1:11:47
ask yes they want to catch a um Sorry
1:11:53
Sabrina what is it again a snake head whoa yes and they've been trying
1:12:00
everything and they watch you guys and I said "Well you know what these guys are
1:12:07
some friends of mine and maybe we could all go fishing together so I'm wondering
1:12:14
yes if we fly to Canada if we can try to catch a snake head uh you guys can maybe
1:12:22
show her boys how it's done and maybe they could catch their first snake head can we do this well uh I will tell you
1:12:30
this if that were to happen if it were possible if all the stars and the
1:12:35
planets align it would also be our first snake head too yeah we we don't have
1:12:40
very many here at all we would go if we went to Florida a meeting area in Florida we'd catch snake heads all right
1:12:47
then and this is what we need to do i will bring you guys here where we have
1:12:53
snake heads oh you do have there we have snake heads okay so you are formally
1:12:59
invited as our guests oh my goodness to come here and catch snake heads let's
1:13:07
get snaky wow and apparently they're very good eating too a very good eating
1:13:13
fish by the way so well I saw your podcast asking which tastes better right
1:13:18
a walleye or a snake head right and um we you know we love this so let's um
1:13:27
let's get this happening but in the meantime who's who's popping the champagne exactly let's pop this baby
1:13:35
there it goes well done oh congratulations Catherine
1:13:40
uh coming back great news fantastic great news fantastic way overdue we're toasting to to your legacy 40 years yes
1:13:51
yes 40 years i mean this is a this is a really big deal so congratulations
1:13:59
um it still hasn't settled in yet with us hey we we we just finished the Toronto Sportsman show and and obviously
1:14:07
thank goodness you know we have people who love us and and want to talk to us and stuff and we spent four days totally
1:14:13
immersed in conversation with them about the 40-year anniversary and it still even
1:14:20
after all that Yeah yeah it still hasn't completely kicked in yet that we've done
1:14:25
this for four decades like it's crazy yeah where does the time where does the time go no kidding no kidding okay so
1:14:33
these are the three for your studio thank you where's yours hold on a second here oh I want to see Katherine drink
1:14:41
all three of those at the same time okay actually I'm going to I'll do this one here i'll take this one okay you got
1:14:47
that one the bottle's for us that's it so so what's really funny is you know I
1:14:52
have this brain injury so apparently I can't count to six so cheers Angelo
1:14:58
congratulations thank you very much tight lines and many more years and
1:15:04
you're a wonderful ambassador and example of all that's good and inclusive
1:15:11
in the sport and environmental um you know supporting environmental
1:15:16
causes and you're a great friend to to all anglers and God bless you and thank
1:15:23
you my friend you're here cheers nice
1:15:30
oh man now I feel like I should crack open a a beer and a cigar or something i
1:15:35
was just going to say now you're talking fellow Canadian we should be having the beers what yeah yeah yeah what's your is
1:15:41
your cameraman is it Sean is that what his name is sean yeah we'll put a headset on Sean and we can have a little
1:15:47
gift for Gab i can take our baby yeah we'll get this yeah i just have one
1:15:52
quick question for Sean it won't take long and Sabrina can join us too because
1:15:57
Absolutely sabrina is um just my sister
1:16:03
and we um we just love We were restauranting as we do cuz now we have
1:16:09
an excuse and we were she was uh eating muscles and I said "Girl I love muscles
1:16:17
too but do you know where they came from and do you know what do you know if
1:16:22
they're wild or farmed?" And so we have these conversations can you see her this
1:16:27
beautiful girl i'm going to back up here let's Let's pull in okay um there we go
1:16:33
so anyway we have so many things to talk about muscles are a slippery slope no
1:16:38
pun intended okay because even in the wild if you listen to the science and
1:16:44
listen to the experts um boy and I love muscles i love any any
1:16:50
of that i love all that but it's it's basically filtering out all the things
1:16:56
you talked about from whether it's its environment is the ocean a lake whatever the case may be or if it's harvested and
1:17:03
and cultivated uh by man it's still a filter it is a filter think of it as a
1:17:09
filter whether it's a filter for your vacuum cleaner a filter for your sink it's a filter and we love that i mean I
1:17:16
just I could eat dozens of oysters with that oysters for example oh my god they
1:17:21
make you feel good cuz it has selenium in it and you know we need and and it's a celebration you go it's easily to
1:17:28
harvest them you know you boil the pot on the on the shore and it's such a
1:17:33
great time put a little red wine in there whatever but you're right i mean we we need to know where the food is
1:17:39
coming but but Sean here's Sean here i want to just ask Sean sean being a cameraman I understand this fly fishing
1:17:46
is a beautiful sport especially you know photography but when Katherine starts
1:17:51
doing this hookless fishing what the hell are you going to shoot buddy what's going to be the end result here come on
1:17:59
it's usually the beautiful scenery and her in it and you know the way she casts
1:18:04
there there's lots there is there going to be a climax is there going to be something that we can say like in our
1:18:09
normal well Katherine's old fishing show when she held that beautiful golden dorado up and stuff like that is it what
1:18:15
what would you do now as a as a camera operator as an editor how is that going to work out well well we'll see what
1:18:21
happens i'm sure it's going to work out well because with Katherine casting and
1:18:27
fishing you know it's going to look good right it's going to be great absolutely huge absolutely thank you Sean thank you
1:18:33
i appreciate you so how can there not be a climax with you i mean you're such a
1:18:38
fun person um you know so I think anything you do people are going to want to watch
1:18:45
you know what guys think of it this way we have been intrigued for eons watching these
1:18:51
wonderful tremendous documentaries you know where you've got an adventure unfolding in front of you on
1:18:58
the screen and this the host is just experiencing it for you and there's no
1:19:04
fishing involved this guy just walks or woman walks through the jungle and then you know peaks over the mountain at the
1:19:09
gorillas and we love that stuff so I don't think there's anything different with that right well I can give you an
1:19:16
example if you're able to pass me my neck brace sean so uh as an example of
1:19:21
what Sean was filming um when we were in California so this is my neck brace that
1:19:27
I wear um yeah I'm waiting for the my neck muscles to to grow back but but I
1:19:34
took this this off my neck brace and we were catching for the halibit because of
1:19:40
course I'm explaining that I didn't take the rod uh Sean caught a fish and um I
1:19:46
said to him you know now um you're always with me um we always put the fish
1:19:52
back but now we're fishing for food and you and your family can enjoy when we find by talking to my
1:20:00
fishing buddies where we should be fishing what what body of water is healthy for and can sustain a
1:20:08
harvest that the fish are healthy the environment's healthy and we can do what we want to to be doing to bring food
1:20:15
home for our families so Shawn wailed into a halibet and um but I took this to
1:20:23
cover the halibet's eyes so when we took the priest to dispatch the fish the fish didn't see it so just turn them upside
1:20:30
down this is You see right there that's fish boogers oh nice hell of a boogers
1:20:37
fish boogers there really are boogers on there there's fish boogers on here yeah so let me understand let me understand
1:20:42
you might want to clean that too by the way just before you put it back on this new show I just turned it over i just
1:20:48
turned it over Pete like you and I are like whatever man yeah i just wear So
1:20:53
this new show will have a climax as you guys called it because you in fact will
1:20:58
be catching sustenance yes at the end of the episode okay so well but it's still
1:21:06
undetermined whether I can take the rod and and and follow through that's why
1:21:13
quite honestly I'm asking for your help i need some help you are the master
1:21:19
you're the teacher angelo therapy to to because you sound like my
1:21:25
brother oh my god i've had that for 40 years i get out of Don't do it don't do
1:21:31
it it It's I love I don't have any problem with putting the line out and finding the fish and doing all that but
1:21:38
it's the hook set and feeling the fish's struggle like I was talking to a fishing buddy of mine last night and and he was
1:21:46
talking about how he played this Atlantic salmon he he's over in Europe
1:21:52
uh for an hour and I was like "Dude that's not that's not cool." Like that's lactic acid i know you release the fish
1:21:59
but that fish is fighting for its life it doesn't know you're going to release it and it's building lactic acid it's
1:22:06
not going to do well and so um first of all you need to go to the gym because
1:22:12
like what's the like you you're playing this for an hour what's wrong with you like go do some push-ups right eat some
1:22:19
protein um but so we did that you know we got this halibet thing but I'm also
1:22:26
trying to find people that um are my fishing buddies and surprise them so we
1:22:31
showed up um just a quick story um not that quick story for me i'm sorry but uh
1:22:39
Sean and I um fished in India as I was telling you for the Golden Mahasir and
1:22:44
when I organized the trip I was talking to a friend Misty who I had never met in
1:22:50
person and I was really excited to go but everyone knows that I'm afraid of the dark so we're we're sleeping rough
1:22:57
in the Himalayas their dogs that come with us had spikes on their collars in
1:23:02
case these big animals come out of the the woods and um the dog only attacked
1:23:10
the chicken that was carried in that was supposed to be our dinner sean wouldn't eat it after that but um anyway long
1:23:16
story short we get to the camp which was a major deal you can only imagine
1:23:22
and um this person comes up to me and extends her hand and says "Hi I'm Misty
1:23:29
Dylan." And my eyes got huge because I thought all this time that I was talking to Misty that Misty was a woman and I
1:23:36
had asked Misty to share a tent with me because I'm afraid of the dark uhoh and
1:23:42
so then when I realized that Misty Dylan is actually a dude I was like "Oh you
1:23:48
must have thought that very forward of me cuz I'm very conservative right?" and a married woman hello Catherine i'm
1:23:54
Misty i'm I'm Misty Dylan how you doing there baby uh so that was really
1:24:01
embarrassing that was the start to our trip but we had a phenomenal time caught mahasir
1:24:07
um and I could tell you all about that and what they do with the fish and all this what is a mahasir a golden mahasir
1:24:16
it looks like a um um It looks like a bone fish with or
1:24:23
a tarpon except it's it looks like a tarpon except it's gold like a gold bar instead
1:24:32
of silver you know how this the tarpon have a round and they're silver the
1:24:38
mahasir are gold like um some president's oval office gold in
1:24:47
color right really and uh yeah and and they're gentle and they're amazing and
1:24:53
what they believe in India when they catch a fish is that the fish will tell other fish so they take it off to the
1:25:01
side and don't let it go back to the pool to be with the other ones we say that all we we we're the same we we're
1:25:07
of the same opinion we do that all the time nothing wrong with that nothing wrong with that i thought that was I thought that was interesting no um but
1:25:14
the whole point of this story is that Sean and I showed up at Misty Dylan's
1:25:20
travel company so Sean had the the camera and we were trying to do this you
1:25:26
know drop in and we go to the door and uh there's a sign saying appointment
1:25:33
only and we're like go like what do we do now so there was another door and we
1:25:40
opened it and it was the turlet it was the John and and um that was shocking cuz I
1:25:48
thought it was just another way into the office his his travel business and there
1:25:54
next to the turlet were all these fishing books hard coverver books his
1:25:59
favorite books and so I imagine him sitting on the throne
1:26:05
um with this book that is like the 50 top fishing women of whatever and um you
1:26:13
know his Bible like all these people that he admires and wants to fish with
1:26:19
um but uh it was pretty interesting cuz I I said to Sean like I don't have any rubber gloves or anything but I I really
1:26:25
want to see which which pages are earmarked like who his favorite so were
1:26:32
you in the book were you in the book uh I wasn't in the book so uh I guess
1:26:37
because he had fish with me um I'm not earmarked
1:26:42
he can just go look at our photos but uh I did send you some pictures of of the
1:26:48
throne and um and anyway and the books
1:26:54
but we missed him but so don't be surprised if you hear a knock on your door and and and Sean and I are standing
1:27:02
there and we say "Okay pack your bag come on we're going we're gonna go fishing." I was really looking forward
1:27:08
to catching uh some snake heads with you guys i won't be uh behind the reel uh
1:27:15
unless it's an invasive species which it is in Baltimore and we can eat it which
1:27:21
it is in Baltimore and this beautiful angel is from this part of the world
1:27:28
nice and um she is welcoming us into her
1:27:35
uh world and we we get to meet her boys she was last time we were together she was telling me how her son what's your
1:27:41
oldest son's name murphy murphy is learning how to lasso and ride he's He's
1:27:49
uh So he set up Wow a saw horse and he he's lassoing and she showed me we
1:27:55
should send them the picture but I we certainly can yeah i mean he built his own horse wooden horse and he's out back
1:28:02
just uh lasting horses and if he's not last swinging horses then him and my my
1:28:07
middle son are out there just like casting rods just for fun our neighbors think we're nuts but a little We're a
1:28:14
good time especially correct me if I'm wrong but especially you know like cowboying isn't exactly the thing to do
1:28:21
in Baltimore it's not like you're Montana it's not like the same thing you know what I mean that's even weirder i
1:28:27
know he's uh he's in ninth grade and cowboy boots to school and he's
1:28:32
totally into it mucking stalls at a farm and um so that's where he got uh hooked
1:28:38
on that i know what he's doing he's all the girls like the cowboys and he's the only cowboy in town he's going to do
1:28:44
really good that boy there is that gun so when uh when is this debut
1:28:53
when are we looking for Well we're happening now we're we're putting teasers up all the time uh what a
1:28:58
catch.net we have a YouTube channel and um and then as soon as we can um sort
1:29:06
ourselves out you know you know what it's like it's trying to reddigitize
1:29:11
footage and um all of my show tapes and drives made the trip across the ocean so
1:29:18
we're at the stage of testing the drives to make sure that they didn't get
1:29:24
damaged and if they did we have to reingest tape stock because we're those
1:29:29
dinosaurs you know using tape stock which no one uses anymore um is that a
1:29:34
beta cam i saw I saw Sean holding there a minute ago want to grab the Yeah HD
1:29:41
cam so we were the first fishing show to go do first um outdoor sporting show to
1:29:49
shoot HD in the US or Canada and this is um this is our camera from that period
1:29:57
yeah well good news for you Sean you don't have to lug that baby around anymore i'll tell you that right now
1:30:03
because this shoots uh the footage because you know I have a film and
1:30:09
photography background so the quality of what we're shooting is so important
1:30:14
absolutely and this camera shoots that it visually it's it's butter it's
1:30:20
gorgeous shine the lenses are gorgeous they're real glass lenses i know it's
1:30:25
heavy shine let me interject here let me interject with all due respect to
1:30:31
Catherine I think you can get a lighter camera that will do everything that that big heavy vault that you just had on
1:30:38
your shoulder will do today yeah they do have lighter cameras but this one's like an old friend
1:30:46
travels together if you want to haul that baby around that's great i'm just saying brother i'm saying you could uh
1:30:51
And that's what I was thinking as you were telling me you were making a comeback i was thinking "Wow cuz we talk
1:30:57
about it all the time." As you know we shot the Outdoor Journal television show for nine seasons and we were using two
1:31:03
of those big babies to go into the Borneo jungle and you name it all over
1:31:08
the world and and now I often think you know even at our age today with the
1:31:14
equipment and techniques and technology today we could probably do that whole series all over again and be what an
1:31:21
eighth of the weight going in and out without a doubt without a doubt so the
1:31:26
technology has really changed man yeah the technology has changed but for this
1:31:31
footage to match up with my existing library I really it's really important i
1:31:37
mean we're not National Geographic but we really care about the process yes
1:31:43
yeah that makes sense yeah and that's what you were known for i mean I mean aside from this wonderful uh activity
1:31:49
fly fishing you're you're really you're known for your cinematography of the
1:31:56
product right and so and so uh yeah to continue along those lines that's
1:32:02
fantastic well what you're going to see with the help from uh
1:32:08
VPC uh is how things were so we go back
1:32:13
to the Gas Bay and we have the footage of the Atlantic salmon stacked like
1:32:18
cordwood in the pools mhm and then we go back now and you see 60 fish and that
1:32:26
you can't even fish there do you know that we couldn't fish for salmon in the Bay of San Francisco again this year i
1:32:35
couldn't have imagined in my lifetime that there'd be a ban on salmon fishing
1:32:40
in the bay unbelievable yeah it is it's this is it's unbelievable i'll tell you
1:32:46
one of the things they're doing and we're going to talk more about this i mean it's not all doom and gloom there's
1:32:51
great conservation work happening but but mistakes are being made uh because
1:32:56
there's a water crisis we know there's a water crisis they are taking the water
1:33:02
from the bay to irrigate the fields but they're sucking up all the fish eggs and all the food for the fish along with it
1:33:08
oh wow yeah that's a good point that's a good point water pumps go in the bottom of the lake usually right a big hose
1:33:14
lays on the bottom of the lake and it sucks in everything yeah oh shouldn't be the same right yeah yeah
1:33:19
wow and I just I just want to get this off my mind because um there's so much
1:33:25
that we'll talk about from your podcast when we're fishing together um for
1:33:30
example um you know Pete was saying to you there's lots of good uh or you were
1:33:38
saying to Pete that there's lots of good testing for for meat and everything and and he was saying "Well I'm not sure how
1:33:44
much of it really gets tested and that sort of thing." And and I just wanted to add that you're both right because um
1:33:51
they they're putting sludge on the farmer's fields and and the the um cows
1:33:58
and things are eating in the fields and they're getting forever chemicals and the farmers in the US um it's not
1:34:06
mandatory testing so if they know that those chemicals are there and if they don't test their animals then then it's
1:34:14
it's it is in the the milk supply along with bird flu by the way um that's why
1:34:20
it's great you know I I drink milk in my coffee i actually heat it on the stove
1:34:27
first because that helps get rid of the bacteria doesn't help with the forever chemicals but I think we really need to
1:34:34
ask questions it's it's we're allowed to ask questions and know the farmer and
1:34:39
know what's happening with our food it's still happening today that people do the
1:34:45
poke and sniff test do you know what this is no never heard of it the the meat um uh guys go into where they're
1:34:55
killing the animals the their government um regulators to keep an eye on things
1:35:01
uh but and what they were doing for years and even now is they take a finger with a glove and they they poke and
1:35:08
sniff and if it smells okay it's a pass if it's not then it's a fail really so
1:35:13
now people are saying Yes so now people are saying look you know a lot of the things that are causing us problems are
1:35:18
much smaller and so now they're actually sampling but they're not sampling every
1:35:24
single piece and E coli at all these different stages is getting reintroduced
1:35:30
and and chicken especially is quite tricky we all know this i mean I'm not saying anything that's not uh well known
1:35:36
but I was in Baltimore a year ago got terrific food poisoning
1:35:42
and ended up in the hospital and um um that's another story to share uh uh at
1:35:49
the campfire which I'll share with you guys but I I'm asking you and begging
1:35:55
you all to pay very close attention to where your food is coming from and um I
1:36:02
I want to ask you I wanted to ask you a question about that because you know there's also sustainability right we
1:36:09
have to be realistic i mean every listen the perfect scenario would be that you
1:36:14
find a farmer near where you live and that farmer will supply your
1:36:20
neighborhood with food and and forever we all live happily ever after right i I
1:36:26
don't know whether that's realistic or nor whether it's sustainable i think more importantly than what you just said
1:36:32
we just need to find a better way to feed ourselves right we need to figure this out we we have to evolve may I
1:36:40
suggest it's not mutually exclusive and we started off this conversation earlier about you know can you if you had to
1:36:48
choose between going out fishing or going out catching which is you you don't need to choose um we know now
1:36:55
we're putting green spaces on the roofs of building we know that there are areas that don't have food availability and
1:37:04
but we're trying to remedy this with rooftop gardens um with supporting local
1:37:11
and um and yes you can grow a lot on a small patio container gardening and
1:37:18
vertical gardening and hydroponics and there's so much that is possible now
1:37:24
where we run into trouble that our dean is doing that in his apartment come on
1:37:30
now i love that congratulations to you for doing that and he'll teach other people that's right i think that we have
1:37:37
a crisis of time and money so people who would like to be growing their their own
1:37:42
things they're too busy and it's just difficult um so we need to share so when
1:37:50
people we need to barter we need to share so if someone does you know is growing something and they can share and
1:37:57
trade for a haircut with someone else who's a hairdresser um there there are ways and as we know better we'll do
1:38:04
better good for you you're always See that's just it amy you're you're so much
1:38:10
so much more person right well so far ahead of you
1:38:15
oh chicken tender i'm a chicken mama hey chicken mama have you Speaking of our podcast have you watched the ones uh
1:38:22
about the mislabeling of fish there's some interesting stuff in there for you so there's something to watch i I broke
1:38:28
news on that for the Huffington Post uh 20 years ago about mislabeled um seafood
1:38:36
in Toronto i'd go into a restaurant and I would order or hadock or cod and because I
1:38:44
like cold water ocean fish and um and it would come and it would be I would I
1:38:52
could tell that it was a a garbage fish and it wasn't what I paid for and I would say to the server um if I came in
1:39:01
here and ordered filet min and you gave me a hot dog I would be up at arm arms
1:39:07
because the hot dog is $3.99 and the fililet is you know $99 and everyone would understand why
1:39:15
and yet we go into a restaurant today and it may not be the restaurant's fault
1:39:21
it could be the supplier the fish monger or whatever it is and they're sliding
1:39:26
this stuff it's coming through our food distribution routes as well where people are eating horse instead of beef this is
1:39:34
happening um but someone like me and you and and and these people here that are
1:39:40
aware of these things they know and can taste the difference and see the difference uh but you're paying a big
1:39:47
bill and you're not even getting what it is you think you're getting and the problem with that is we all know that
1:39:53
river and lake fishes are way more wormy and full of parasites than some of these
1:39:59
other things that you pick to eat and if if you're immune compromised like I am I
1:40:04
need to hedge my bets and and I want to be eating what I'm told I'm eating and
1:40:10
paying for so I'm so glad that you guys are spreading the word for sure and
1:40:16
that's why um your podcast is invaluable
1:40:21
the lives that you're changing you're um really doing a great service for people
1:40:28
all over it's it's a legacy an enduring legacy so congratulations yeah it's like
1:40:33
the cable guy h I'm paying for this and I ain't getting it exactly that's the problem there original cable guy he
1:40:40
was the best and we would be shocked you know i think we've just scraped the tip
1:40:45
of the iceberg on this whole mislabeling thing i think we would be shocked if we dug even deeper than not just in fish
1:40:53
meat poultry I mean everything but but but even even man-made sustenance I
1:40:59
think in a lot of cases we're not getting what we think we're getting so don't get me started on that um guys I
1:41:07
for two things first of all first of all um I can't thank you enough
1:41:12
for uh the accolades and and uh little party and look at this she's got the hat
1:41:19
and the whole bit to go i love this i love that hat it's the best thank you
1:41:24
for that um we'll uh we'll we'll get together with the group here and uh and discuss
1:41:31
the possibilities of of coming down and spending a couple of days with you folks down there cuz I think that'd be so cool
1:41:38
and we could probably do the podcast from there on on that trip so that would be wonderful for us
1:41:45
i'm I'm also going to let you know that uh if you just because we don't reach
1:41:52
out to you which we should and you don't schedule a call or a message to us on a
1:41:58
regular basis if you ever need anything and you think that possibly it might the
1:42:05
answer might be here north of the 49th uh reach out to us like just reach out
1:42:12
to us we may not be able to give you what you're looking for but we certainly know enough people that can right so I'm
1:42:18
just looking for a hug from my friend i would give you one of those for a hug
1:42:24
done you got it deal thank you guys and guys uh congratulations i think exciting
1:42:29
news the audience is still vibrating from from when you announced it i think it's going to be fantastic i for one am
1:42:37
going to be your number one fan i'm looking forward to it uh let's make it happen is it What a catch on YouTube as
1:42:43
well is that what they have to just type in what a catch what a catch pro P R O D production what a catch
1:42:50
productions on YouTube perfect and uh but you guys have always cheerleaded and
1:42:56
supported us and I'm It's I'm so grateful thank you you're welcome thank
1:43:03
you as well all the best folks we'll talk to you very soon all right you take care finish that champagne
1:43:12
wow that's great news yeah she's back great news she's back that is great news yeah
1:43:19
that's cool eh what a wonderful show i you know we used to talk about it all the time it was the one show that you
1:43:25
you watched and stuff you watched for the c cinematography the whole the whole it was the whole nine yards it wasn't
1:43:31
about just the what a catch it didn't hurt that Catherine was the host of the
1:43:36
show let's be honest about it because she was so first of all stunning uh
1:43:41
because you don't you don't associate some of the environments that she shot in you don't associate that with a what
1:43:48
seemingly was a pretty frail young lady right i mean we know because we worked
1:43:55
in those environments we know how difficult and how tough it is to work in those can't imagine in India fishing
1:44:00
down those rivers in India living that you know where they were in those tents and that woo so that's what Buddy what
1:44:06
was Buddy's name that was supposed to be a woman that she thought was a woman anybody remember do you know misty misty
1:44:12
was it Misty misty that's what it was misty hi there Catherine uh but that's
1:44:18
what made the program and then and then couple that with the fact that it was absolutely outstanding cinematography very well
1:44:25
produced way ahead of its time yep back when we were doing what we did doing
1:44:31
fishing shows very documentary style right national Geo style and let's not forget that it's Canadian right its
1:44:39
origins are from I forgot to ask her did you do you know where she Toronto she just on the other side of Toronto
1:44:45
somewhere oakville or Bmpton or one of those cool and uh her and her husband um
1:44:51
went around the world self financed which was another big thing because you one thing that I remember about that
1:44:57
show there was no commercialism in it there was no it was all pure yeah and you say "How the hell do they afford to
1:45:03
do that?" And that's why they're self financed daddy had a ton of dough oh you figured out well yeah i mean you got Hey
1:45:10
listen a great way to make a a small fortune in the fishing industry just
1:45:15
spend a large fortune you have to have a large fortune to start it and they're no different than than anybody else so
1:45:21
anyways that's wonderful news uh great to see that she's in good health or she sounds reasonably good health oh my god
1:45:26
compared to before she sounds fantastic yeah and uh we didn't I didn't purposely
1:45:32
you know jump into the illness and and and the and the Lyme disease and now
1:45:39
heavy metal like I didn't want to get into that cuz it was such a an uplifting
1:45:44
uh you know show without all that i mean we could spend a whole episode just
1:45:50
talking about her do you think Katherine could hold a whole show together she likes to talk she's a good talker she's
1:45:56
a very good speaker that's for sure anyways uh that are it folks i want to remind everybody to uh get on those
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contests get on there regularly all free of charge keep an eye out for it's all happening on
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fishingcanada.com don't know what's up there right now but I'll guarantee you there's two or three prizes that you would absolutely love to have in your
1:46:16
hands i know we just just pulled a winner for a Garmin unit so yesterday you know yesterday yeah and when this
1:46:22
comes out we have a Mercury motor still up there and we have a bonus code for you where did the just out of curio I'm
1:46:29
going to read them just out of curiosity where did the um the Garmin unit go this
1:46:34
time in terms of geography go ahead go ahead Dean I need a release so I can't give any names but
1:46:40
I do know he's from he's from Edmonton oh fantastic that's what I said as soon as it was drawn I said that's awesome we
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can spread the spread the the wealth and you too could win folks that you don't
1:46:51
have to sit back and say oh wow I wish I had have won that well you can
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uhhuh head on head on over there now fishingcanada.com it's the gateway the
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portal to your next fishing adventure on behalf of the entire crew uh Boba over
1:47:54
there he was pretty excited when we started getting into the whole vegetarian thing he was thought he
1:47:59
thought we were going to bring him into the show just like uh like if he had a bottle of booze we would have brought
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