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Finding Fall and Winter Walleye | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 97
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Mar 24, 2025
This week on Outdoor Journal Radio, Ang and Pete are riding solo to give you a full breakdown of fall and winter walleye fishing! Topics discussed included: getting surprised by your audience; the Buncha B******t tee shirt; a new way to keep mice out of your boat; canning and preserving; the new look of The Fish'n Canada Show; why your boat may not be insured; minnows per gallon; the Lake Simcoe parking situation; fall walleye behaviour; whether every lake has an open-water walleye population; fall forage; the benefit of paper maps; peak walleye times; jigging vs. trolling; whether weeds matter under the ice; using LiveScope to find chironomids; locating zooplankton; hand warming tips; and much more! To never miss an episode of Outdoor Journal Radio, be sure to like, subscribe, and leave a review on your favourite podcast app! Thank you to today's sponsors! Invasive Species Centre - Protecting Canada's land and water from invasive species Coleman Canada - The Outside is Calling, Answer the Call.
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[Music] hey how you doing folks thank you for joining us I'm Angelo Viola he is Peter
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Bowman and our usual uh array of suspects vvo over there behind the
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camera uh Nick as usual is not there and of course Dean Taylor producer over in
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the corner uh welcome to the program we this is one of those shows that we uh we ask
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to get more of and we don't always get what we ask for but we every once in a
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while we love a uh a little lighter episode where we get a chance to talk
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about a subject without a guess not that we don't want guests on the show but this is a case where where we just get a
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chance to talk about either a favorite or not so like subject that we can just
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pound away at will and not be encumbered by the burden of somebody else I like
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that and apparently from what our producer Mr Dean says sometimes that a lot of our audience likes the sit Downs
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as you and I having a little BS session you know so they're normally our best ones according to the audience according
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to the audience so now sometimes we don't think they're that all that good but that's okay but you know what that happens in the fishing Canada show as
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well we'll go out there and we'll shoot a show we'll come back and say oh my God Ang that was what what are we going
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to do what are we going to do and Ang I don't know what we're going to do we go shoot again we going well let's see what we got and then all of a sudden fast
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forward to 6 months later and it's on the TV and all of a sudden you know what to us it didn't look that bad I know the
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fish were small and then the audience goes God I love that show you guys talked about this that and the other
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Okie doie well you know and why because usually those are the shows where we the
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fishing was not great and certainly what was caught was not big and um I think
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the reason that they those shows work so well because we don't have the
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incumbrances called fish gives us an opportunity to
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maybe talk about other things and that's what the audience loves yeah you know what maybe I think we should stop
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fishing on the show I think personally I think there should be no more fishing on the fishing Canada show it should be
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called a couple of guys who used to fish Canada the send us question Canada show
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s questions Canada show by the way I don't know whether you noticed my lovely my lovely new shirt brand give me a hell
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yeah you got that right brand new that's a bunch of uh that's a bunch of yes thank you there you go so
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are people going to be able to get those purchase those uh very soon this was just designed this is the first
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prototype I believe that uh that within a this week they will be up on the site
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so check them out there you go uh you can proudly wear it's got an outdoor Journal logo down at the bottom here how
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about a little Christmas gift if you get on on it real quick they can probably order that for a Christmas gift for an
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avid Outdoor Journal Radio podcast listener fan you know wow you give me another one of those there's a bunch of
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thank you wow that's cool I want a button right here that's cool oh buddy
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you were born with a button I want a button right there every time I want it I want to push it there
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like I don't I want to have to do I don't want a bunch of Bullit that's right exactly Jimmy's his voice is so
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good on that bunch of and they got a spell too bunch of bunch the the shirt
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bunch of that's a bunch of uh check out the uh fishing candidate
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website the store actually is shop. fishing Canada um yeah whatever it's that's it
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shop.com there you go go there and you two can own one of these lovely uh
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that's a bunch of shirts along with all this array of other beautiful oh yes items that we have available
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there so that's correct uh sales are ongoing uh in terms of stuff that's discontinued terms of stuff that we uh
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uh deem to to has gone through its its cycle uh so that the thing is you go
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there often because you'll see that their sales will crop up periodically without any notification just happens
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yeah um listener feedback Mr Bowman listener feedback by the way before we
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get into listener feedback U just want to remind folks that we still do appreciate uh anything like
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subscribes subscribers uh uh uh give us uh some kind of a hell yeah hell what
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you give me a hell yeah thank you did I catch you while you're eating I'm sorry I much oh it's just gum what else can
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folks give us that we need how how can they show Love reviews are the best they help us out a lot emails though are
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always great you might uh I might put one in the the podcast Feature Feature
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your email in the in the podcast well we're coming yeah we're going to have a listener email here in a minute so all
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kinds of love right and even even posting on Instagram if they Instagram or Facebook if they even put comments in
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there it helps us all of it helps right because we can use that to you know rankings they get they they give us uh
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they can do that as well they can do that in the podcast right on the Apple version just let us know you're out
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there that's all yeah no big deal you're nice come on now all right listener
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feedback that's why I said that's why I started with that you're working on that right I'm working on that right now uh
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this is from episode listener feedback from episode 94 um shrier shmer yeah went to Winter
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eyes went to Winter eyes Andrew sh Shermer Shermer yeah sh I think you're
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right shmer yeah yep uh from as we always have a hard time we have a hard time with all our listeners I know why
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can't they all be Smiths John Smith I think everybody
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should just sign it John Smith from now on CLE somebody's going to do it they're going to laugh their ass up when they're
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doing it too they're going to love it uh Andrew Shermer from ASA says I know
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Angela wants full names and locations there you go you asked for it otherwise you'd just put down Andrew Andrew S you
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see okay um just wanted to say two things you guys are continuing to make awesome content that's what we like to
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hear see uh on the show and the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast and channel no
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surprise there thank you very much Andrew appreciate it that's awesome and second I just listened to episode 94
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about winterizing the boat and I wanted to give you a tip about deterring
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rodents uh from chewing down on wiring because if you remember on that episode
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who we had Steve Tate on there he's our uh expert when it comes to anything
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motorized and one of the things the comments that he made and and I made as well was the fact that rodents uh do
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tend to chew cables and wires and whatnot so we had a couple of uh uh
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ideas on how you could prevent that from happening but uh Andrew says I used to
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work at Crown Rust Control for many years and a non-advertised benefit of
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the oil product that uh uh that's used is that mice and squirrels Etc don't
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chew on electrical components after they've been sprayed with that wow I
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think that's amazing it makes sense cuz it's a petroleum based product obviously
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that's what Crown uses oil and uh yeah the rodents don't like it so when they go spraying inside the you know all
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those little nooks and crannies mhm that's fantastic uh he goes ahead to say
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we had many customers who would get their Farm or Cottage Vehicles sprayed
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just for that specific purpose in other words not for rust prevention but for rodent prevention on the wiring and the
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t40 product is environmentally friendly and non-flammable so there is no risk of it damaging components there's a great
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tip right there I looked it up it's just it's just a can of looks like a WD40 type of can right just spray like that
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and I don't know if you can remember crown with a K as if you're looking it up crown with a k um I'm a little
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confused because he says at the beginning that it's the oil product uh
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Rust Control to benefit oil product but then it's nonflammable and uh
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environmentally friendly H well all right who knew not me I don't know about
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the flammability but I'm sure there's somehow they're they must have it tested if they're saying it's environmentally friendly they must have it tested yeah
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you would think it would have to be environmentally friendly they go spraying the bottoms of cars with it that cars are out the environment
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driving all over the place it's got to be so there you go and now you're saying you can actually buy this product I
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looked it up and I saw a can of it for sale excuse me or a can of it advertised I don't know if it was for sale or not I
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just had to quickly look to see what it looked like for you know if we were going to do it on our boat yeah instead of getting somebody professional to do
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it and there was a little can there just like you know wow there you go give her a shot you heard it first here in
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Outdoor Journal by the way just so that you know that's fantastic heard her first from Andrew on outoor well we
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appreciate that Andrew thank you very much if uh you've got suggestions like that and give us a little feedback by
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all means uh just do it at info is that where they do this stuff or Instagram I
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think this one was on Instagram so I pull them from everywhere so anywhere anywhere you want to reach us uh ask
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your question or make your point it will make its way into the 45 gallon drum
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that uh dino rescued from the scrapyard and it was a rusty oil drum you cleaned
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it all up you got Crown R he Crown R all right okay no mice in there anymore he
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put a bunch of holes he perforated with a bunch he did a lot of work like he drilled every single hole in that thing
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like by hand so and he puts all the the letters and and stuff and there's not a drop of rust or any rust stain or
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anything on the letters and it's all white perfect white papers and stuff uh the podcast Network Outdoor Journal is a
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network as well as a show for those of you who may not be aware of it we have
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several wonderful Productions under that Banner one of them is the uh Under The
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Canopy our good buddy Jerry wette wette former minister of Natural Resources is
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uh one of our podcasters and uh Under The Canopy deals with everything uh
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Under The Canopy Outdoors uh mostly edible stuff yes uh on episode
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19 um particular of a particular interest is canning and
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preserving uh an episode that he did with Bev deardo deardo deardo look at us
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getting these names pretty pretty good pretty accurately deardo dardo I like that name that's cool that's how
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altitude affects how your preser uh how you preserve Goods how to tell if something is spoiled accounting for acid
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acid or acidic hold it how altitude affects how you preserve your goods well
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that's apparently it takes longer to set or something like that I was in on podcast I should know exactly but uh he
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said he sent or Bev was saying she sent some preserves to her daughter who lives
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in Calgary and when it got there it was popped like it wasn't sealed properly
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because of the altitude change from Toronto to Calgary well sure the pressure yeah so they they talk about
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that but that makes a whole lot of sense everything on that show makes a lot of sense you don't think about that until
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right now have you ever talked about that until right now no the same reason you're ears when you get up there
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sometimes your ears are how bad I used to get oh you used to be like a little child oh my God my God I used to have to
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cradle them in my arms went on a plane I used had needle that big it was in the
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one side or the other the first time I started flying and it just felt like somebody in that one ear it just felt
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like it was just a needle that whole time flying that plane and I get and you take me like two days to get I got the
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ground two days I finally got used to it now I can fly but it was the pain and then he took it to the next
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level he used to run into the same problem when we would go diving diving holy and that one I never
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got over the only time I ever got over that was we did two Dives in a row two
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two days in a row of diving and the first day I was in excruciating pain I couldn't get down past 30 ft oh I don't
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know where that was I have no idea but then the second day my ears did not go
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back to normal they were all screwed up or whatever and I went down oh my God this is beautiful
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sorry I went down this I soed all of a sudden where's all the
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pain where's all the pain I'm going okay and then ever since then every dive I Do Is Still Still excruciating pain I can't
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I can't do it we never found out I can't pop them I can't I can do it right now I can wiggle my jaw and I'll pop a little
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we bit soon as I get under the water a little pressure under the water they just clam right up just like these
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headphones are on there I can't do a thing did you ever have it looked at did you ever go in and say hey
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Doc I think I might have I think I might have back in the early days with the flying and all that and they just said
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it's just uh it's just some people are are not good at that stuff you know
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anyways if you take of preserved Jam from Grandma's
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place to your place and it involves an airplane be aware of the fact that that
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will probably pop the seal and I think that's a a great to learn how heavy duty
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put that on isn't yeah know it's it's it's it's the pressure inside the can I'm assuming well hey if you listen to
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episode 19 uh of Under the Canopy they will tell you exactly what
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that is all about now you say you listen to it I was there when it was recorded
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yeah yeah and so am I right you're right yeah yeah so if you take preserves that
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have been sealed up into a different
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Stratosphere it will pop and they can spoil once they're pop so if you don't pay attention you may uh it may be bad
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all of that available uh great information available on Under The Canopy on the Outdoor Journal Radio
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podcast network available right now and that's not a bunch of
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it's a bunch of no it's not Jimmy stop it Jimmy thinks it's whole podcast is a
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bunch of the whole network everybody's a bunch of um what
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do we got new on fishing can I wonder if Jimmy had approve uh approve of this podcast what do you think Jimmy would
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think of this podcast CU he was very opinionated he like he he lik to when he wasn't happy with stuff he uh he
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especially liked to write to you and call you up on a personal level well they all pick me they none of them ever
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pick on you have you noticed that well they should pick on well every once in a while there used to be a few that picked on you oh yeah I had to console you a
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couple times had a couple that's all right almost came to fistic cuffs that's right you know um
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but you know uh new on fishing can't keep them all happy and keep we try God
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only knows we try we try we got guys like Dean and V to make us look good and sound good and still every now and then
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you get a bunch of at you and you can't there's a bunch of and you can't you know okay go ahead
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Sorry by the way I would like uh viewers that are watching if you if you listen
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to this podcast and you watch the fish and Canada show on global television network every Saturday morning 8:00 a.m.
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Coast to Coast with the exception of BC where it airs at 10:30 come on now if
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you are one of those people and are now currently uh no they wouldn't be
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currently when is this EP this air is uh this week this week so all right so yeah
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I'm going to change the message a bit I want you to make a note make a note get the crayon make a little note on the
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table in front of you or wherever you happen to be um the new series The
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Fishing Canada show uh premieres each year the first Saturday of January so I
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believe this year that's the 8th of January I could be I'll stand to be corrected on that yeah that's not makes
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a lot doesn't make a whole lot of sense if there's seven days in a week be too late second Saturday Sunday maybe no
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it's maybe I don't know anyways you'll know you'll know you can't count good but you can add them up already is there
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any place where we put that schedule out of uh air dates and stuff on the portal I think uh on the portal y the gateway
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to your next fishing Adventure it's up there it's there now uh no it will be it will be so check out the portal depends
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on how Co treats us too though you know cuz we if some of our editing team over
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there we've been sitting there getting picked off by Co really bad lately there might be a little bit of a
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delay on the premere episode you know okay we brought in the Lefty from the bullpen that's but he's he's but he's a
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not a he's not a closer no he's not a he's never been a closer no no we need we need good closers like we need our
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closer here is good but we're relying on one and one only so he's like the best in the business but anyways what I'd
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like you to do now that they've sidetracked me here completely um when you see that first new episode yes or
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the second or the third I I'd like you to comment on it I'd like you to send us
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a quick little note and tell us what you first of all what you think of it and uh
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how you like the new look and feel of the fishing Canada show oh you guys have changed it have you yeah there's some
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changes okay yeah I just want to see if people realize it okay I like um I don't
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know why I went to that I was in the middle of something else far more we
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were Under The Canopy and you went to that from Under The Canopy how how was I even
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possible no I don't even know very he's a very of
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well you know what it is you guys distract me I get on to a train of thought and then then you guys but you
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had to you had to get that train of thought from somewhere else because we weren't talking we were talking about t40 we were talking about under the
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Canada preserving and blowing gaskets and now uh onto our next subject and
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it's not the fishing Canada show so somehow you have got uh oh I know what it was you you mentioned vova you were
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talking something about vova how handsome he is well there's that too we don't we don't talk about that near
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enough sh head over there um butth no that and that that that's what went in
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my head the new look and feel of okay I got you I got you so I'd like you to do
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that never mind these guys are trying to yeah distract me gotcha um let us know
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what you think of the show yes please input again give us some feedback and there might be something nice in it for
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you I don't know if you do that I don't even know yet I have no idea okay of all the places for that's a bunch of
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I think that was the one that a buch of the one that should have been right there of this whole show that's
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the real one right there but anyways new Onish on fishing canada.com the
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portal the gateway to your next fishing Adventure God oh my God uh winter
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Anglers you may not be insured this is an interesting story story that's up there now uh we did talk about this a
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year ago about the same time is it a rehash of that same it's a rehash because I feel like most people still
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don't know we posted it up and a lot of people said they had no idea so and and and this was our very own our lovely our
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talented Peter Bowman who brought this to our attention correct correct amundo so for those Anglers that are pushing
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the limits usually it is Southern Ontario in our case and I don't know about other provinces because this is an
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Ontario thing for insurance um there's a lot of boat fishing going on right now
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still right Open Water those hardcore Anglers that are out there that'll go beyond November 30d is 30th or 31st
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what's the last day of November 30th 30th so when you go into December 1st so I had a buddy that uh him and I were
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going to go fishing and uh and he said his wife for some reason I don't know why she looked into it looked into the
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insurance and the onw waterer coverage cease ceases at November 30th so
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December 1st through to March 31st you have zero on the water coverage he had
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so I thought that's a bunch of right there a bunch of I thought okay well take my boat then so I
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call up my insurance company and hear the shuffling of the papers she had no idea either you know what I mean oh yeah
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Mr Bowman that's correct you're uh you're not insured on the water from December 31st to March so I says I could
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drive my boat on my trailer all over the pl that's insured 100% you're insured after the boat launch as soon as that
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boat gets in the water your insurance is done null and void and I said know what that's all about yeah and I asked her
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that I says what about how about if I can uh I top up I pay a little bit more for the month of December or something
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like that no we can't do that they don't even want more money they just don't want to ensure it they don't want to change the policies or whatever and so I
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said is this kind of normal and she started looking she say well as far as I know all companies are doing that so if
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you do like I I'll tell you right now the boats that I see out on the adulas
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reach Lake Ontario right now there are some expensive rigs out there $150,000 you know dollar rigs out there they
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might not be insured on the water so if something happens you might want to just take I find that hard to believe I I do
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I do but I do too now we looked at they say there might be the odd company that
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you can get a extra not a writer I don't whatever you call it on on your policy but they said it's it's rare they insure
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everything I know insurance companies are Glutton I offered them money they just want money they want money they
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insure everything would they not ensure a man's boat woman's boat sorry uh
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couple's boat um December January February and March I I don't get it it's unreal I don't I
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couldn't figure it out either way I don't get it the temperature but it's nothing to do with it right it mean it
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be You' be uh it's not going to change your the boat's characteristics at all
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fiberglass or aluminum it doesn't really change that at all what it does change and maybe this is part of boat Insurance
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the perils are far greater well yeah but that might be comprehensive more than anything right or would it be it's not
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like it's not like a collision thing with your boat it's a liability liability thing so but they don't state that just so your boat is not insured on
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the water you know what I mean somebody needs to make some sense of this CU I don't get it we do we have any insurance
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listeners here anybody that's listening here that's really into the world of insurance could we get hooked up with
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somebody probably could like a marine Insurance uh yeah would that be a big deal are you busy or I'm not I'm busy
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but I I can squeeze that in you could find the time I could find the time yeah you could find the time to get us and uh
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connected with somebody sure it would be nice to to getet a definitive answer and
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get it over with then we know I mean there's a lot of people especially I was just talking to uh Gordy piser and he
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tells me that uh man it's really Bleak up there for the prospect of ice he's
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saying he's saying it's oh really yeah I heard the same thing down here too
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obviously down here be worse than up there up there he's he's concerned that there will not be ice for sure there
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won't be ice for Christmas he said so so there's still open water in Lake of the Woods yeah wow so he's saying even if it
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starts freezing now it would not be safe ice M uh by Christmas and Christmas
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apparently that week between Christmas and New Year's is big on Lake of the Woods big for ice fishing right it's
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business um and apparently that's when all the Americans start driving ding on the Lake Road the Frozen road yeah
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that's so cool that week between December and New Year's but he say there
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I can't see it being safe there may be ice forming by that time but I can't see it so the small L should be because I've
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seen some pictures and and videos already of small lakes up north that are already frozen over but they're still walking out with their spuds like we
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were talking about the other you know like that but yeah that's crazy to have Lake of the Woods at this time of year
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so they mean so literally they could have boats out there right now if they if they have a launch that's open if the Snows you know they have pretty much
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they don't have any closures at all I don't think so not for their Walle I mean they might have some but I think it'd be open right now for them so no
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bass is no closure how much do you think speaking of of ice fishing I talked to a
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bait dealer the other day did you what do you think how many minnows do you think a bait dealer sells through the
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ice fishing season on the bay aqu quiny deser ronal yeah what would be a bad year what would be a good year number of
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wanted in terms of gallons or pounds Min I can give you number gallons I don't
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know I by the gallons you get you buy and by the gallon right but just just
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for our audience they don't know about gallons and bows and all I know cuz I used to sell them I know you did but just got a number of minnows number what
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would be a number a bad number to sell oh man a low like really low for over what period of time the the ice fishing
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season the whole season like starting he got his minnows in this weekend or this last week he got a there's no ice yet in
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the in the millions I mean Lots one bait dealer no not that much B 50,000 was his
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low and he'll sell over a 100,000 in that short in that short uh December
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January February sort of thing yeah I used to have the number I used to know how many minnows were in a gallon cuz I
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bought bought them a thousand 1,00 on a gallon is that what it is yeah oh look at that he I got you on that one
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how' you know that because he told me he buys him by the gallon it's a, a gallon so I used to
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buy I used to buy five or six gallons at a time so five to 6 thousand Minn Minn
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at a time and he he was in every week he came in every week yeah you see you're
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in a different area five or 6,000 a week yeah okay I mean he's only got uh he's
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only got a what a three-month window got a three month window you know tiny little shop in one spot I mean obviously
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the Beville people can sell more people sell more 50 50 to 100,000 he said
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100,000 would be a good year yeah of minnows I thought that was pretty good though what a great business that was oh
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my God it's just when he gets them they go oh they just go like you said there's
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constant barrage of the guy keep bringing in gallons of minnows and gallons of Min the biggest problem that you have in that industry is if you have
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uh equipment failure which we used to do periodically yeah and you just got a load in and then your
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pumps quit overnight and or your refrigeration system one of the two quits overnight and it's just a sheet of
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dead did you sell uh more shiners than mud Min hat I know cuz they die easy I
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hated them they were the most delicate thing in the world even when things you're fishing anytime shiners are horrible even if your equipment is
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topnotch and Refrigeration system is topnotch and your circulation system is
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topnotch with Emerald shiners we used to have a 20% loss right off the bat 20%
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loss meaning 20% of every every Shiner that we'd bring in would die before it
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got a chance to be sold yeah and then if you had like I said any minor little hiccup in the system you were done wow
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toast but but the other stuff was great regular M mud what call you know the
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difference when you're fishing here's a little tip for everybody this is all organic this is why you listen to an and
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Pete right here cuz this is the deal right here the difference between using shiner minnows there's a bunch of
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the difference between Shiner shiner minnows and let's say Dace so if
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you had a split shot above your your bait and you have a free line and kind of swimming around like that the shiner
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minnows will always swim up they try to get away up to the ball up and the other
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ones always swim down so when you're fishing for walleye for instance or something like that you want them you
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know close to the weeds or something you want that middle is always trying to it's always trying to work its way down to the bottom so and these other guys
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are always trying to go up like that so the shiners are going down shiners going up shiners are going up shiny towards
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heaven ah shiners are going up and the others going and you know why that
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is go ahead no I'm serious no I don't know why I know why exactly why okay
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because shiners Emerald shiners in particular I don't know what other Shin
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because we used to sell Emerald shiners um they they are AIC fish right they
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School up and and generally in over deep water and that's where they live so the
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pressure of being down low always I in my opinion ah makes them
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want to go up into that comfort zone up higher whereas yeah they suspend whereas a
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regular uh minnow is no stranger to hanging out at the bottom he very seldom hangs out in Open Water he he hangs out
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near structure or under cover but definitely near the bottom so it's no
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surprise to me that if you use them on a slip rig they will go down and shiners
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will come up there you go hey that's nugget right there oh you know what that
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is there's only one way you get that by the way just just so that we make it perfectly clear he's got his finger on a
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trigger over there by the way just a just to let you
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know what is that experience that's experience right that's all that is it's experience that's exactly and uh doesn't
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hurt to uh to to know a little bit about the creature now you know we we've been we made our our our entire career based
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on knowledge right that's all we do if nothing else we have amassed a vast amount of knowledge by trial and error
30:56
and that that's what we do on the fishing candid show every week we take that that experience and try and parlay
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it into a fishing Adventure so I couldn't do that if I was uh not that
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there's anything wrong with 20y olds I'm just telling you I couldn't do that if I was 20 years old like like grandson Nick
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right oh good point so he's uh I'm living with an 18 and a 20 year old boy too so I know you know exactly what I'm
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talking about I know exactly what you're yeah there no room see the problem is there's
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no room you can't absorb anything when you're like that true so we it's
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impossible we have a hollow oness in our in our heads is that what you're saying Through The Years through the years it
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comes with age you you tend to a brain settles and there's a little room on the top there exactly okay exactly I getting
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wonderful fan question this week great question and how do people do that like they just how do they submit these
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things Dean I'm these are all email I take them off Instagram occasionally but most of these are from email all right
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so if you want to ask us something all you have to do is just write it in uh email yeah yeah uh info fishing
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canada.com you can send it to um any of our emails sure those aren't public our
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emails aren't public don't send them ours then really no well I think info is
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very good info so see if I was guessing if I was one of them and I was guessing on how to get a hold of let's say you
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yeah I would think because I know that there's a fishing canada.com that means that there
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is a URL there already so I would assume that fishing Canada oh and I know that
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there's info at fishing canada.com yep if I was looking for you for example I
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wanted to send something directly to you mhm I don't know I'm guessing that
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handsome bastard at fishing canada.com that's what I would do for Dean that would be your first that be my first try
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that would get me and that would get right to him probably I would just go for the short I'd go Dean fishing canada.com that's me that's
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that's what I would do but anyways however you do it it's irrelevant you know how to reach us
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reach us send us to your fan question just like Mandy did Mandy from
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Ontario okay uh she wants to know Mandy wants to know how do you feel about the
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parking situation around Lake Simco uh putting locals up against visitors if
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you're not aware what started happening a couple of years ago uh
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um I it started out with boat launching became ridiculously expensive at the uh
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Municipal there's only one Municipal uh area parking lot with a launch ramp and
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that's at the athersley Narrows between Lake Simco and cooch at the top end of
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Lake Simco that's where everybody used to put in and it was always free forever
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it was free we used to use it all the time and uh there were tournament events there that had access to it all the time
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anyway some brilliant entrepreneur uh at the municipal uh
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Council meetings decided you know we need to start charging for that and that's that's really where this reared
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its ugly head uh originally and and I don't remember the year but it would have been oh a good 15 years ago maybe
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even 20 years ago they started charging for um
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voters which maybe makes sense you have to maintain the the launch ramp you know
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every year you have to Spruce it up and do some stuff I'm sure there was vandalism involved and all that stuff
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anyway they said they they should start charging 10 bucks I think it was at time anyways from that day things started
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progressing pretty quick because I said some entrepreneur it became a business for the municipality to the point where
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they started charging for parking so not only do you have to pay for the boat to
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be launched but you had to also pay the to park your vehicle with the trailer on it because the boat lives on a trailer
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hell yeah and that became a nightmare and it started out as 10 bucks and then
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went to 20 bucks and then got completely out of hand and is now sitting at 50
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bucks so if you want to go boating on Lake Simco or
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cooch or or in the town of Aurelia right she's a $70 hit just to start with it's
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yeah and what we've been hearing lately is that they were using CO as an excuse to keep people away right well we know
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that's a bunch of for sure there's a bunch of and if that's the case then when Co is finally
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over let's say it's not over yet then those prices should go back down to 20 bucks a day right well you know that ain't going to happen that's just not
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going to happen oh no once you establish you don't go down establish they're you go up exactly exactly so we got we wrote
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down some uh hey I got a few of the places though and let me just finish with her thing we'll get into that right
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so she says some areas are charging $50 per day to park uh want to bring people
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in to spend money but charges an arm and a leg to fish for the day so they want
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tourism wants people to go to these places and so people go but but that's
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why tourism wants them to go to spend money yeah you get you get gouged there doing that OB to spend money so it's a
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it's a a catch 22 right yeah anyways go ahead anyways just yeah we we totally
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get you Manny and this was preo too this was they're using Co now but like said
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Steve and I when we did that little bass thing up on in nisville was the same thing we thought what the hell the
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launching was free there but the parking was 45 bucks way back then it's like 45 bucks for a boat and a trailer a car a
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single car without a trailer I think it was 10 bucks for the day or something like that what they're doing is they're gouging the Anglers coming in here with
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your Traer anybody anybody with a boat anybody with a boat sorry yes any boers so innisville uh it's 10 bucks an hour
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for a maximum up to 50 bucks for parking alone wow not your boat launches uh uh
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there's another one there is seven the cheapest one we could find is s bucks an hour up to $45 that's the cheapest one
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you could find in that area well you know everybody's going to max out who puts their boat in for an hour exactly everybody maxes out Barry is the same
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thing 10 bucks an hour the max of $50 and it's a $10 plus HST boat launch you
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got to pay the HST on the boat launch to on top of that so like an said there's a $60 day $75 whatever it is $60 day just
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to start just to get in the water and don't get this wrong okay we're we're
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not idiots here we know that there are cost to to maintain these wonderful that boat launch that's 10 bucks for us is
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free to bury residents it's just for us guys so bury the locals if you have a
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little thing in your so the locals are okay you're okay but we have to pay but the
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tourist has to pay for the upkeep yeah well see I don't because the the locals
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are paying for it through taxes I guess they figure right ah okay see now that makes sense the
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locals pay taxes already some of that money goes to the upkeep of these
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Municipal properties like a a a parking lot and a launch ramp and the people who
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Comm in from out of outside of that Community don't pay those taxes there
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and therefore they feel that they should be paying a portion of that to if we pay our taxes
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on our boat launches in our area do they come down and pay the the extra on that no they don't we you know that's that's
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not even well I I mean um the the the the the launch ramp here in at Port
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Perry correct SC the ramp itself is free to launch your boat but to park your
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boat like 10 or 20 bucks or whatever I think it's 20 bucks for the day yeah full day yeah which you know what I
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think is reasonable that's fine that's Reon somebody's got to pay for the maintenance it's like if you're going to
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a marina you're going to pay for a boat launch and parking at a marina that's fine you know you're paying for that facility but to gou you at 60 bucks a
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day you know $50 to $75 a day that might be a little uh over the top that is it's brutal if anybody is listening to this
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that is from that municipality aelia anywhere in that it seems like it's all on the west side of
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Lake Simco so innisville Barry aelia all that whole once one starts the other ones have to
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join in I don't know about uh where do we Beaverton I don't know if we ever uh what they're like they used to be great
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there used to be a small fee for that remember we used to go there it wasn't much um it wasn't bad and it was just
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the launch that was at the marina though you paid that that little Mar at the end of the river yeah um was kind of a
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marina yeah they you put that little T tiny little boat launch but you drop her in there and you could either Park in
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the lot until it was full and then you could park along the road you paid us uh I think it was 20 bucks it wasn't it
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wasn't much back then see 20 bucks is I think is a good price oh that's great right across the board for everybody
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locals uh tourists absolutely if you've got um an occasion that
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requires a boat launch and a parking lot that has to be maintained 20 bucks is
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fair it's very fair yeah absolutely anywhere so so there you go it's also starting to get bad now like the ice
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season's horrible up there for it and that's why a lot of people park on the ice wa too early you see a lot of cars
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go through cuz you don't have to pay well that happened last year I remember doing a podcast during this period or
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just a little bit later on last year where where people were cars were going through the ice and and the reason that
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the drivers were saying they were parking on the ice cuz it was 50 bucks to park on Shore yeah right so once the
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ice started forming they just said the hell with it I'm going to park out and out on now so that one is interesting
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because in terms of Maintenance well there's
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winter maintenance too yeah they have to they have to they have to snowplow the parking lot and stuff somebody's got to pay for it some's got to pay for there
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are apparently uh locals now along Lake Simco that are actually allowing people to park on their property and charging
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them a lot less you know what buddy they're gouging you I'll do it for a third of the price you know 10 bucks
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give me 10 bucks to park your car something like that nice little Enterprise absolutely cash money and piss on the rest of them I I mean I
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don't mind that at all so if you may be find you hear about that you look into that folks if you can find somebody but
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somebody has to pay for the maintenance on all of these properties it's just how much is the question exactly like how
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much I mean when you're it's like like you said it's a trend over there this this is obviously an ongoing Trend over
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there that if they can do it if innisville can do it I'm going to do it on Barry hey if Barry can do it Oria I can do it onelia you know what I mean
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they're all they're all playing that same game okay but now just thinking
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about something everything is increased in price everything is more expensive today
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than it was say five years ago five six years ago sure I don't care what it is
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food absolutely uh gasoline and those two Commodities automatically increase
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prices and everything associated with those items so why would we not expect
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the price of say winter maintenance which is snow plowing of the these parking lots to to be more expensive
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today than it was 5 six years ago yeah of course but to go to ridiculous amount
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but we just said 20 bucks is okay why because you know 10 years ago 20 bucks is acceptable 10 years ago it was 10
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bucks they've gone up to 20 bucks now I see so you're saying the jump was a little too much the jump was way too
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much honest what would be fair assuming that 20 bucks is not enough now because
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when they jumped to 20 bucks clearly that wasn't enough for all these municipalities they need a lot more than
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that don't they I would say what's a good price what's a good price what do you think at most let's say uh 10 Buck
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launch and 20 bucks so $30 a Max with everything that might be in a city area
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or something like that that might be acceptable even that's kind of hard to suck in but but let's just say it was
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you know I don't know what do you think CU it's going to go to 75 very soon okay here's what I think I I think it it has
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to be proportionate so I can tell you with total certainty that the boat and
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the vehicle that I used to drive to Aurelia and put in at the Aurelia launch
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ramp 7 eight years ago that package the total package was
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$100,000 yeah that same total package today is over $200,000 and the the guy
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that was there with his 12T tinner that's years old 68
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bucks if he if he bought it a decade ago that same boat today is worth
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$35,000 there's boats out you're you're not every has saying is you have to be
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realistic right right if this cost that much 10 years ago and now it costs this much well everything else has to be
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increased proportionate to I'm talking about that guy that's had to keep upkeep his little 12 14f footer it's an old
46:53
boat it still floats well he can't afford he barely can afford the gas to go in it now he's got to pay 50 to 60
46:58
bucks to launch that little tiny boat that's not worth $300 that poor guy he's driving his little box at vehicle
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that poor guy I got Angelo I can't do this I can't you and your $100,000 ring
47:11
you can afford to buy the Bol launch H you know there's always going to be that argument right there anyways now do you
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see what you w and done Mandy that's a great question Mandy
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thank you for that because it is it needs to be investigated it needs to there's something going on here like
47:29
when is it going to stop is it going to stop and when forun well not when CO's over no it's not no it ain't people
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speaking of Co you said earlier on uh you know that there's been rampant rampant there's been a bunch of Co
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around here I had it and I can tell you uh personally uh it's not the same as it
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was last year so if we are going to be inundated with Co again this year put
47:53
your boxing gloves on cuz you're going you're in for a fight by the sounds of it what you and monque W wow and
47:59
everybody I've talked to that's had it and a lot of folks as I told you that have had it it it's the same story this
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one is a tough one wow it's going to be around you know the last time it was
48:11
like a three four day five day max you were back to 100% yeah this one is a bad
48:18
one well the only time that you've ever taken that much time off was your heart attack exactly that's it exactly other
48:24
than that never much time off EXA I just spoke to Jack this morning Uncle Jack
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and uh his wife his wife got it oh God and uh she's been three weeks and still
48:36
not back holy crap yeah oh it's a killer just keep an eye out on I mean there's
48:42
nothing you can do we're not going to go back to isolation we're not going to go back in some cases we're not even going
48:48
back to wearing masks so what we need to do we need to be a little more Vigilant ourselves uh one thing you don't think
48:55
we back to masks no no I don't you're going see that Don L's government ordered I think I just heard that the um
49:01
the hair haircut places might be having to be ordered into well that would be a place where you you're such close
49:07
proximity right yeah I just heard that the other day so I don't know if that's gone through yet or not but I wouldn't
49:13
be a bit surprised on that one that the companies themselves are mandating their their employees to wear masks and you
49:19
know what when you're going in there for air G it doesn't why not wear a mask just in case just for yourself because you're that close I mean even wearing a
49:25
mask yeah I don't know anyway I don't know where how we got to that but co co
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co boat launching boat launching and Co okay speaking of boat launching today's topic we never even told you what we
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were going to talk about today and here we are lost them already didn't we who do we lose we probably lost them they're
49:43
probably waiting for a subject and they probably said oh my God all they're doing is talking again not telling us what the real subject is I you think I
49:50
hope not I hope they're with us because they like us and love us and want us and desire us and need
49:56
does I don't know why we we selected this topic uh well first of all let me
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bring this full circle we didn't select this topic this topic was ordered come on now on
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us um and it is a fall and Open Water walleye fishing I guess maybe the reason
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is because we're in Fall it's on right now open water winter fishing is
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probably going to be uh going on for a while what's going to happen if places like um I mean the bay we know that um
50:32
people will fish it while they still can with their boats and then and then when
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it freezes obviously there's Mass uh migration of ice fishermen absolutely
50:42
under water yeah wonder if some of these small outling lakes though that that have ice fishing but won't have ice are
50:49
Bo well assuming that their boats are are insured we don't even we just put a Kash on that one we told you that your
50:56
boat may not be insured exactly what are they going to do well do you really think the Inland
51:03
Lakes aren't going to freeze like a little bit like a lot of people like maybe skoog it's not that very far north
51:08
it's a warm water lake well it's not warm now this this time of year is still in the 30s probably um but do you think
51:16
if you went an hour north they won't they won't freeze this whole winter I'm just saying wonder if it's I don't even
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know if it's ever happened before we've had Seasons where it froze late right
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but it did freeze by January yeah it this would not be the first December
51:32
without uh oh for sure for sure for sure for sure I don't know well yeah people
51:38
will be ice Anglers are going to be very disappointed that's for sure if they don't get their ice right there and Ice
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uh prors of Ice uh ice fishing opportunities like uh the huts and the
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the lake Simco guys like calender Bay and all those yeah those they make a lot of money or a lot of business on that
51:55
right they depend on that so I hope I hope it I hope it freezes over guys like Dean Dean loves ice fishing so you know
52:02
I like it more than Open Water yeah I wait all year why is
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that why why I think I'm better equipped cuz I can't afford a $100,000 boat and
52:13
everything but I 38 doll T was talking about right yeah but I have like the top
52:18
of the end H for like 1,200 bucks I have Liv scope I that's like my top
52:24
investment right the augur it's it's it's not too expensive so you can get like all decked out for way cheaper
52:30
everything's more accessible you just have to walk or snowmobile there so oh you can afford a snowmobile yeah
52:38
which that's not a problem I I bought one last year and the trails never open so it's unused but but there you go so
52:44
you choose to invest in Winter equipment as opposed to because I'm sure the price
52:49
of that snowmobile would have bought you a handsome little boat package no this thing is barely Staying Alive it was
52:55
about $1,000 oh
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yeah that's a bunch of that's all I got to say there a bunch of yeah yeah yeah I don't I mean
53:06
there are some there are Anglers out there that like ice fishing better than Open Water there Anglers that only ice
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fish yeah don't even that's all they do don't even bother about that so it's a big deal so anyway so we thought we
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would talk a little bit about Canada's number one uh favorite walleye fishing
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for sure is by far the most pursued oh yeah it's huge it's pursued by more
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people in this country than any other species it used to be lake trout years ago really lake trout of all fish I know
53:38
well because the rural parts of the country right that's all they have is Lake tro they don't have Walley Walley
53:43
is pretty much a Southern Southern uh commodity although it's moved up north now obviously with a Vengeance and and
53:51
but but lake trout was number one everywhere kidding yeah that's that's a great stat right there yeah I learned
53:57
something new today I like that every day A man should learn something every day in my opinion and if you listen to
54:04
this program that could happen with there's a bunch of doesn't
54:09
matter there is that there's that too I'm looking at that box of Timbits
54:14
right now learning and trying to learn to see if there's anything in that but it's over on Nick's desk in the co kid might have his hands all over it so I
54:20
ain't going anywhere near it so he's probably saying there go ahead boys funny I looked at that a couple times is thought the same
54:26
thing um so location location location Walley probably more so than any other
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species are is there's more difficulty in determining where Walley are going to
54:37
be at any given time in the season on most bodies of water than I think any other species bass to a certain degree
54:43
but they're pretty easy to figure out um but Walley Walley is not there's so many
54:50
factors that go into um determining where where we the
54:56
most effective place to fish walleye would be on any body of water so we want to start today with what we perceive to
55:03
be the most important piece of information that's required for good solid walleye fishing and that is where
55:10
you have to find out where they they at some point in the season where they
55:15
start once you get that and you drill down into that their movements are
55:22
pretty predictable and it'll help you tremendously in finding out where they're going to be later in the year
55:27
and spawning is that time of year where you can pretty much guarantee on any body of water where the primary and
55:34
secondary and and usually two main areas where um Walley are going to spawn
55:41
correct correct right and once you get that under your belt the rest kind of
55:46
unfolds easily and we'll we'll go through that here yeah yeah because the spawn right
55:51
now well as Ang and I have always said all fish all they think about is eating
55:57
and spawning that's all they have in their life that's all they ever care about right and the spawning is then
56:03
it's not because they wanted to it's because it's just driven in is to what they do it's what we all do you know
56:08
it's uh procreate to keep your species going um so you got to think that that
56:15
spawning thing especially right especially right now in this right now we're talking in early December can be
56:21
even late November and it goes right through till Up and Under the ice when the ice goes and then until the ice
56:26
leaves so that water temperature starts hitting in the 40s you know and I mean right now the water believe it or not on
56:33
Lake Ontario we'll call it is in the 30s already it's now it it dropped two in in
56:38
two weeks ends it dropped from 45 to 33 so there in that short of time in that short of time there's no ice nothing
56:45
like just the short days the cool nights the cold nights like that has dropped that much in that and these fish are all
56:51
they're all now being triggered by that hey where where are we going to go now what what and there's and you got to
56:56
remember on on lakes like Lake Ontario they have that they have the main
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species that we always hear about are these pelagic fishes an mentioned earlier these ones that roam a lot they
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they don't sit on one structure they are open water kind of oriented they're not open water all the time but they're very
57:17
oriented at some point they're definitely going to be open water that's something we should explain too when we talk about Open Water
57:22
walleye it's not it's not that they're just out in the open usually these are the ones that are suspended and they're
57:28
just they're sitting halfway down a third of the way down twoth thirds of the way down in deep water let's just
57:34
say something like that these fish are they're not sitting on structure their whole life they're not sitting on a rock
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pile they're not sitting on a point they're not sitting in a weed bed their whole life there's it's almost like two different uh types of Walle that are out
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there right but these Open Water that's what that open water wal means they're just sort of sitting out there in the middle of nowhere I think where the
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uniqueness of that happens more so than anywhere else is on the Great Lakes yeah Lake Ontario in particular Lake
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Ontario's got where you have a group of fish that
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live pretty much their whole life in open water and then they'll come in late
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in the a this is about the time when they start migrating to their spawning areas and they have still in Open Water
58:17
still in Open Water doing it they'll they'll start moving into their spawning areas getting closer to their spawning
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areas by going up to the rivers and this case the Bay of quy uh the fish will
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come in from Lake Ontario and start moving into the bay and up through adula reach and
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um their their goal is to get to their primary spawning area um and the the biggest ones would
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be the Trent River the Moira River and the napan river those are the three biggies that they're trying to get to
58:48
and those fish would be considered open water fish however however there is
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another gene pool there of fish that do not travel to open water being Lake
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Ontario and then come in correct for spawning purposes this genetic pool
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lives their entire life from the beginning from the early
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uh stages of the river all the way up and that's where they live and those are the fish that would relate more to
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things that we understand uh Rock piles weed lines uh they'll still be in they
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don't mind traveling to deep water but deep water to them is just moving offshore right not out into Lake onario
59:32
like that and and I think that's a pretty unique situation I don't think we can say that that happens uh for the
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most part in Inland Lakes I think I don't know I see I keep thinking now I
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keep I'm almost my mind is now separating two groups of walleye and every body of water I go to because I'm
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seeing more Open Water walleye in these smaller lakes and uh and then and I'm seeing more and you still got your
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traditional Walle and your so you think um let's take
1:00:02
nipping okay that'd be probably a good probably a good example right so you think that in nipping Lake nipping we
1:00:09
have a group of fish that live in the Basin of Lake nipping that just wander
1:00:17
around feeding on bait that's it's high up in the water column and they're just
1:00:22
floating around eating a nose that never those Walley never go in land or they
1:00:27
never go down the French River or they never you know what I mean they so you think they're living they live out there
1:00:34
12 months a year and then there's another group of Walley on nipping that
1:00:39
will move into the French River at a at some point in their
1:00:45
life and stay there for their their entire existence and they'll just move
1:00:52
into deep water within the French River itself right so you think there are two distinct genetically different fish I
1:00:59
don't know anything about Lake diping itself as the as the main body of water as per bait are are there Cisco or there
1:01:05
Alewife or anything like that there I know there's white fish in the river um or depends on the the perch population
1:01:12
as well because perch is a huge prey fish for for walleye I'm learning more and more about
1:01:19
all these little lakes that are as long as there's some depth to it and some some good open water out there that
1:01:24
these big walleye they just say you know what I'm not a structure fish like those fish that Stevie goes after all the time
1:01:30
at the mouth of the French on those little humps and all that stuff those are probably there every year right they go after the same fish every year every
1:01:37
year every year who's to say they're not out there roaming around a a big group or 10 big groups of Wal are not out
1:01:44
there roaming around as long as there's bait out in the middle of the lake if there's bait on that Lake I guarantee
1:01:49
you there's Walley there's Walley cruising around and I'll guarantee another thing there's a couple of guys there's probably some guys that are
1:01:54
keeping it Hush Hush that are running planer boards all year long out there and catching probably Giants on nipping
1:02:00
I'll bet you there is just at the end of the day what's going to determine that
1:02:05
and we I I referred to them as genetically different fish probably probably should not re referring to them
1:02:11
as that I think the the key to all that is food right so so long as
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these these uh big schools of of fish that live in the
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main body of Lake nipping have food they will stay there there's no reason to leave right there's no reason to leave
1:02:32
right right but if that food becomes scarce they may develop a whole new habit and pattern fish you know we for I
1:02:38
don't know how long we've said this I'm probably as guilty as an next person is that fish don't have the ability to
1:02:45
think um and I think that's a misnomer complete misnomer in in the way we
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perceive fish I think they're more than capable of thinking and I think they can
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think even much quicker than we think in some cases because they are so driven by
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instinct to feed and reproduce and the only thing that affects both of those is
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food and so if the food is not available that fish is quickly reevaluating
1:03:19
everything in its life absolutely and it says hey this has been 2 three days now there's no food here I got to get out of
1:03:25
here absolutely right so they do think they have the ability to I won't call it
1:03:31
reason because that would be too much but they have the ability to change based on their environment a lot quicker
1:03:39
than we think yeah they have to they have to survive right they will do whatever it takes to eat a eat a meal
1:03:45
and and I know Lake Erie does the same thing as that's going on with us right now lake erel so there's guys that are
1:03:50
right now that are getting them on structure they running jigs they're running even crankbaits down low there's
1:03:57
also the the portion of the team that is out there running crankbaits pulling crankbaits and doing the same thing and
1:04:02
getting lots of big fish right now and and I know what you could do it on Lake hon I know you I don't Superior probably
1:04:09
Superior Superior yeah sure you could uh Georg and Bay guarantee you're going to get a bunch of open waterers as well as
1:04:16
structure oriented the thing about the structure Ora I find lately I don't know what it is about about trying to find
1:04:23
walleye on structure at this time of year so when the water temperatures are really starting to dip down they seem to be mo
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even the ones that we're talking about those local fish we'll call them they're always moving yeah they're here one day
1:04:36
and they're gone and they're G and then maybe and you even hear that under the ice you get you'll hear hey you're
1:04:42
getting them off a Huffs Point everybody's getting them off Huff point oh no now they're getting them out towards the nap River oh they're off
1:04:49
Foresters Island and their way back now at Thompson's Point like that like you're hearing with these groups of fish that are and then not even the Giants
1:04:55
not even those 10 Pounders like the two and three poundal the local fish and and and what's driving that that's got to be
1:05:02
bait I food everything is food related there's only one reason that a fish will
1:05:07
hang out somewhere only one and that is that there's food available somewhere within close close vicinity it doesn't
1:05:14
have to be structured there's food for the that's our latest That's Mike look at Mikey cut oh my God that's a that's a
1:05:19
Cisco nice you want to talk about food base I didn't know how much was in the bay quiny wow but this was C on Saturday
1:05:26
and that's a giant one I mean I don't know how many Walley would eat that freaking thing those big those big 10 12
1:05:32
Pounders yeah they probably take a CH at it right you know what I mean but but that's probably a big one of that species can you imagine if there's if
1:05:38
there's those usual Cisco more way more than we ever thinking there's got to be right yeah I I mean I really didn't know
1:05:43
the bin is a phenomenon it's just like who knows what else is in there right it's unque it's Unique imagine like
1:05:49
there's lots of Pike in that area imagine for pike swimming around seeing that they're going to eat that thing
1:05:54
nine times out of 10 they're going to take a shot at that and swallow it right down it's a soft you know soft finned
1:05:59
fish like people notice that there's no spiny dorsal on those things the only sharp thing on that fish basically is
1:06:05
just the edge of that gill plate and that's not even sharp that is yeah yeah but that that'd be it otherwise that's just a soft fish like that and and if
1:06:13
there's more of those in there than we believe can you imagine that's just another and then you look at that you
1:06:18
say hey maybe I should be running silver baits maybe I should be running more silver sided baits with a black back you know what I mean so
1:06:24
um aside from what was that one cut on on a jig on a on a jig and a minnow I
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wanted to talk I've got it marked I want to talk about that M and and that was in the deepest that was in 50 ft of water
1:06:37
wow that's 50 fet I don't know if we got it suspended or not but was in 50 ft of water that thing so that's good food man
1:06:44
oh my God for fish that's uh that's ideal yeah yeah yeah for those yeah
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people are listening they might not see that that was a Cisco or a lake hearring they're called is just a prime Bait fish that if you have
1:06:56
a lake with Cisco or lake herring in it Hasty Lake for instance Lakes like that they're they're the the game Fish will
1:07:03
be eating those no matter what so getting back to basics and and and and
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um I think I'd like to pull B of quinty out of this because as I said it's a
1:07:15
unique fishery because it does have two distinct uh Gene of walleye in it so
1:07:23
it's it's hard to talk about one and say the other's doing the same because we know it's not so taking B of quiny out
1:07:29
of this the equation and we also know bequin there's definitely a migration pattern from Open Water to River that
1:07:37
Anglers can can intercept the migration the only thing you have to be there at
1:07:42
the right time right it's not it's not a question of the right place it's more the right time and generally the boats
1:07:48
that are out there will dictate where that spot exactly is so I want to rule that out for a minute but on on a body
1:07:54
of water where you don't have and this is in particular to folks who fish primarily through the ice before you
1:08:02
could determine if it's a brand new body of water before you can determine where you're going to drill the hole you've got to know a little bit about something
1:08:08
of that Lake and that is where are these fish going to be spawning we're talking
1:08:14
Walley where Walley where is the primary spawning area for Walley on that Lake
1:08:20
you have to I don't care I don't care what you think that comment you have to know before you start putting the puzzle
1:08:27
together you have to know where the majority of these fish are going to be spawning on that Lake once you isolate
1:08:37
that and isolate it with confidence now you can start building you got the
1:08:42
blocks to start building that roadway to where they're going to be before you start drilling that hole or have a
1:08:49
pretty good general idea of where they're going to be before you start drilling that hole food is still going to dictate at the
1:08:55
end of the day food is going to dictate where they going to be that particular moment that day that hour that you
1:09:00
happen to be there but you have to have the general vicinity so you're looking
1:09:05
for Rivers more than anything that you think Riv fast moving water now there are lakes where where W I have been known to spawn on a Shaw as we know
1:09:12
right of course they spawn on shorelines all the time all the time but but they're not primary and they're scattered you you cannot use that in
1:09:20
most cases you can't use it as the first piece of of uh uh of your puzzle because
1:09:27
it's just too varied right so you need things like the Tams River on Lake Simco
1:09:33
for example you know that's where they spawn that is the primary spawning area for every walleye on that on that lake
1:09:40
so that's where you start if I'm winter fishing I'm going to start there and then follow the shorelines follow the
1:09:46
The Contours on your Maps look for those points that are heading down into the deeper parts of the lake and all that
1:09:53
stuff that we've talked about for years before you start drilling a single hole in your good point in your uh good point
1:10:00
and I'll tell you something now there the Contours in your map it's something that I've gotten away from since I've
1:10:05
got paper maps out of my hands and got better mapping in my hands I'm using it
1:10:10
less yeah I don't know why yeah I'm going I'm getting back to using the mapping more because it's so crucial to
1:10:16
have you and now everybody's got if you have a like Dean said he's got his his Liv scope on the wall where I'll guarantee Dean's got a GPS in there too
1:10:23
and he's got a m on there and you got good mapping on almost every unit you buy out there now right nowadays you can
1:10:28
you can take advantage of that on the ice or off the ice in the in the boat and I don't do enough of it now we used
1:10:34
to that's all we live for and I'll tell you what what I miss from Maps paper
1:10:40
exactly what uh paper maps exactly what we're talking about right now is finding that primary spawning area when you've
1:10:47
got the ability to lay out a map on a table a nice big chart you can see see
1:10:53
you've got a really good overview of the whole area and you can start slowly
1:10:59
eliminating water eliminating water eliminating water until you get to that primary and the map will tell you in
1:11:07
generally the map will tell you where that primary spawning area is but what's nice about having it on a big map is
1:11:13
that you can eliminate eliminate eliminate whereas on charts on your chart recorder no matter how big a screen
1:11:20
you've got if you blow you know blow it up to the point where you can see the entire Lake the it's so tiny you can't
1:11:29
really you can't really determine a whole lot from it whereas on a big map
1:11:34
you just spread that baby out we used to do it on the on the kitchen table it was great just get rid of everything and and
1:11:41
and and we used to put two and three Maps together so we had like literally a a 6ot by 8ot area that was all map of
1:11:49
the body of water that we were going to go fish right and you eliminate eliminate El minate eliminate eliminate
1:11:54
until you've got that primary area that is a little more difficult today
1:12:00
using uh chart uh GPS chart maps like this because it is a much smaller but
1:12:07
then again I can give you that same argument for viewing a movie on a phone versus viewing a movie on my 80in screen
1:12:14
yeah the one the one thing I like about the charts nowadays is the contour lines we never had that before so Ang and I'd
1:12:21
have to literally look and say that's the 10 foot there's that was a very difficult thing to do the contour lines now and if you have a map this is a
1:12:28
Navionics web app but the maps on your units the one thing even if you have a
1:12:33
7in screen with and just say just use your Zoom feature so zoom out zoom out zoom out so it gets a little because
1:12:38
then all of a sudden your contour lines get Tighter and Tighter and they get really dark they get black and now you can actually see the contour lines like
1:12:45
that then when you see something far away like that you know it's only going to be a little section you have to scroll over you scroll over but but the
1:12:51
whole idea is to SC resom up out see these contour lines the darker the line is the tighter the the lines are
1:12:57
together the faster the drop and then you start zooming in and say okay there's a little dark spot there and you zoom in in in in pull it over okay there
1:13:04
so that's the way you kind of have to do it nowadays versus what we were talking about having the big map on your you can't have that big map on your table
1:13:10
unless you got an 82in screen yeah unless you have that screen on your boat right there you know getting back to what we were
1:13:16
talking about that that that primary spawning area the the nice thing about seeing it on a big map um you could
1:13:23
the the main thing you're looking for is incoming water I mean that's not a secret that's the fact is if you have a
1:13:32
good source of incoming water it will probably be the primary spawning if if a
1:13:38
lake for example of a small lake has one source of incoming water well I can tell you pretty much any walleye respectable
1:13:45
walleye in that body of water will be keying in on that incoming water to find
1:13:50
a suitable place to reproduce whether at the mouth whether it's uiver whatever the case may be they're going to use
1:13:57
that incoming water to spawn so that becomes real easy if there's only one
1:14:02
source on that Lake That's it man start there and now the puzzle the first piece
1:14:08
of the puzzle is very clear from that point you just start working out Pete just mentioned contour lines are so
1:14:14
important because you want you want to basically build a roadway that these fish are going to use from spawning to
1:14:23
the the deepest part of the lake and Back Again somewhere along that Highway that you create on a map you are going
1:14:30
to be sitting on a sheet of ice with a hole and finding intercepting walleye
1:14:36
not maybe not that minute when you drill the hole but at some point if you've done your homework properly you know
1:14:43
that that Highway has to be traveled by Walley at some point and that's the key to that and if a Lake's got a multitude
1:14:49
of incoming uh rivers and creeks and streams then you have by having a big
1:14:55
paper map to start with you can quickly start eliminating the smaller ones and you can see them on the map right if you
1:15:01
got a big flowing stream of water coming into Lake you can see them pretty good here but you got to move it around you
1:15:08
know what I mean move around exact you got to move it around that's I mean this is listen this is our life this type of
1:15:15
of we don't use paper maps anymore no don't even look at them I'm just saying if if you had your brothers what should
1:15:23
do if you're on a new body of water that you're not familiar with and you need to find the primary spawning area if you
1:15:29
had a paper map it could shorten the the period of time that you'll need to find
1:15:37
out where it is versus just I see what you're saying you see there's the and then you can go in this thing and scroll over now I know Thompson's point there
1:15:43
it is there yeah yeah I got you and it's a key I don't care what body of water
1:15:49
you're fishing if you don't know where they start out in the spring it's going to be hard for you to figure out where
1:15:54
they're going to be in the winter plain and simple I know you said something there that that got me and I know it gets de Dean as well as you said now it
1:16:01
might not bite at that minute because Wally are the worst for that like they'll they'll they'll be go you go all
1:16:07
day long if you get you sometimes even they're early in the morning and they won't bite and then all of a sudden as soon as that Sun hits the tree line at
1:16:13
3:30 or 4:00 at night all of a sudden boom boom boom boom boom all the lines start going off it's firing it's like
1:16:19
come on really I wasted all this time of this day you're here you're there you know but they're just they I don't know
1:16:25
what it is it's so they're such a a nasty fish for that food well it's food
1:16:31
it's food but the food even if the food is there you sometimes see the perch around you see everything like that they
1:16:36
just there's something that triggers them at that I don't know ien you noticed that you've seen that so many times that's why it's hard to move like
1:16:44
like when you're out on the ice it's like hard to decide when to move because you know how quickly it can just turn
1:16:49
once it happens boom it's on think of this though m think of this if you had the ability to really dial it down like
1:16:59
really dial this down like some people do by the way to know what triggers them
1:17:05
to move and you know that at 10:00 you want to be on whole a yeah
1:17:15
because more than likely there's going to be more biting fish on whole a than
1:17:20
there will any place else and and but you also know that it's shortlived yeah
1:17:26
right whole is going to last an hour maybe on a good day so then hold B
1:17:32
because it's a migration mhm right if you could figure it out if you could dial that down as some people do man
1:17:40
your fishing day is just full of fish they don't disappear I know but they don't disappear you see them on your
1:17:46
screen half the time you'll see them moving on your screen half the time and they won't bite like sometimes lots of
1:17:53
if they're walleye it might not be Walley but like Dean had a great example
1:17:58
one last year or two years ago whatever he showed yeah there's a video on the website actually of that it was like a
1:18:04
highway on Quinny it was like the Walley bite just turned off it was like 10 a.m.
1:18:10
and the fish were still there but they were cruising and would just not eat until about 4:00 in the afternoon and
1:18:16
then it all started again like the same fish like they were still there I was on them all day and they just stopped
1:18:22
eating completely and that again that's that's what I said even in the late fall this time of year right into the ice
1:18:27
these fish are moving way more than people think they are constantly constantly swimming around a lot of
1:18:34
times they lock on the bottom and you can't even see it like they'll swim all on the bottom and you can't even tell that that they're moving on the bottom
1:18:40
that's the hardest ones when they're just inching along the bottom like and I think the majority of fish are doing that the odd ones are up high and you
1:18:47
could see the four or five here in a little group and all that but I think there's so many that sit on that bottom
1:18:52
and just move and I don't I don't know sometimes I just don't think they bite a lot of times I don't know why drop a
1:18:58
and minnow down in front of that guy's nose and he's not eating he's not eating I mean that happens in in Open
1:19:04
Water situations too right how many times have we been out of school of fish and you know they're there you can see
1:19:09
you know forward view scoping has really changed that game completely we know they're there yep in a lot of cases we
1:19:15
know what they are but we had an episode that you're going to see in the upcoming fishing Canada
1:19:21
season where we're one of the most frustrating days we've spent on the water uh cuz the area was loaded it was
1:19:28
absolutely Lo and we just couldn't get bite yeah yes so it does happen it does
1:19:34
happen I think you know fishing is all about putting the odds in your favor um and in particular ice fishing is about
1:19:40
putting the odds in your favor and and so you've got to determine where the the
1:19:47
the the highest odds are for you to catch fish if you drill a hole based on
1:19:52
his history if you drill a hole based on nothing but you just kind of decided to stop and
1:19:59
drill the odds are not in your favor you got to you got to really really get lucky to to be able to yeah history you
1:20:08
know that's a great a great great great point and I just experienced it so that
1:20:13
that fish with Mikey there that that we wrote on last Saturday in the boat and we wrote two weeks ago so two weeks ago
1:20:21
we found the fish on our garment and we found it via live scope and traditional screen both
1:20:27
and it's funny because we didn't have live bait at the time we didn't have minnows cuz my buddy didn't have the
1:20:33
minnows the guy that sells the so we went out there with plastics and Mikey uh I had a plastic and Mikey had a uh he
1:20:40
was throwing a blade bait and he broke off on a fish that he targeted on Liv scope and we figured it might have been
1:20:46
a pike he later caught a nice Pike about an 8lb Pike I saw two fish of all the
1:20:52
whole fish fish we saw that whole day there was two fish on the Liv scope that I saw and I cast my plastic jigging
1:20:57
plastic out to and I caught one and it was a giant it was 114 yeah on a jig
1:21:03
it's my biggest jig fish ever but that's the only two fish we encountered the whole day with all those fish the reason
1:21:08
I'm going to tell you the story two a boat come along and they saw where we were sitting they knew we were on to
1:21:14
something because we were sitting there working this area pretty good they came in they had they had oh my god dude they
1:21:20
started pop pop catching them we were watching them we watched them catch like a limit each in front of us and we're
1:21:27
thinking you idiots where did they get those Li fast forward two weeks later you go out there might we're going to
1:21:33
kick their ass Angelo Mikey and I get out there the screen is void of fish we
1:21:38
they were gone and this is a very tried and true spot that that's good for that they were gone and we couldn't get a
1:21:44
fish in that whole we worked up and down from that area with with jigs and Minnows or with uh ice fishing jigs and
1:21:50
Minnows the whole nine yards and we couldn't get get B in there not one bike they moved on us they moved they're
1:21:56
they're that's a migration right and that's why I say if you could ever figure out what that movement looks like
1:22:03
how you figure it out I don't know how but you still have to hit them at a point where they're they're inter feeding have to intercept them yeah on a
1:22:10
on a feed yeah on a feet because because they don't necessarily eat while they're on the Move either right no they don't
1:22:15
those fish are going from from point A to point B whatever motivates them to do that food once again probably primary
1:22:23
while they're on the move if you're not in point B but somewhere in between and
1:22:30
you see those fish M that's when you you you you break your heart because you see
1:22:35
them and you're throwing everything but the kitchen sink but they're not eating I honestly believe that they not eating
1:22:41
the the the Open Water Fish we talked about I think they're they're easier to catch in that case than the the
1:22:47
structure fish the structure fish are locked on the bottom and they don't want to eat anything those open water fish are always round food and they'll just
1:22:53
every now and then B I'll eat that I'll get that you know that's why they eat these big you know minle baits and stuff like that so I think they're actually
1:22:59
easier to catch when they're moving like that or you know they're always hunting I think when they're open water I don't think the structure fish are always
1:23:04
hunting or the bottom fish are always hunting I think they're easier to fish if there's food in the area yeah oh yeah
1:23:11
right but they're rarely at this time of year rarely are they in an area where there's no food true they're following see you see yeah you see the bait
1:23:17
exactly that's and it's the key to all of this that we're talking about food food is the key y you want to catch that
1:23:24
fish then you got to get them in the right spot yeah at the right time the
1:23:29
right time being when there's food in the area right yeah and that's when it all comes together that's when the magic
1:23:36
happens and that's also why it's always shortlived MH right that's why those
1:23:42
moments happen but they're like 10 15 minutes an hour max would be like like I
1:23:48
don't even know if an hour is even possible to be honest with you because they see need to move that much oh yeah
1:23:54
you got to stay on them you you got you and and so that's why ice fishing is so
1:24:00
difficult and not not not everybody does it for that same reason it uh it's
1:24:06
pretty much sit there and you you've made the commitment you've drilled the hole you've set up the tent and you're
1:24:13
committed and that's the problem with that Dean is
1:24:18
it was he sleeping no he was right taking not I'm taking not that's the
1:24:23
problem with that is that you made the commitment and it's in your head and you know what it was like to drill that hole
1:24:30
and you know what it was like to get the tent to stay up and you know what it was all like pushing the snow off to the one
1:24:35
side and you know that's the problem with the hand AER are you kidding me because then
1:24:40
you're like well I don't really have to move if I have to do that again ex all
1:24:47
blades problem 20 minutes to drill a a 6 inch hole and that's the difference between ice fishing and open water
1:24:54
fishing in a boat you can pursue those fish and by the way there's not a whole
1:24:59
lot of difference between what we're talking about uh fishing through the ice and and following a migratory path it
1:25:07
it's the same in open water I mean aside from and not all bass but aside from
1:25:12
bass who will will be a little more predictable I said that when we first started this piece they're a little more
1:25:19
predictable and they're a little more apt to stay at home home while I don't do that whether it's winter or or or or
1:25:27
open water fishing those guys move around that's why you'll hear you know most Walley Anglers long oldtimers they
1:25:34
troll for them they just they just troll for them because to them it's movement
1:25:39
and they're going hoping to intercept intercept them in that right point in the migratory path and the only way you
1:25:45
can do that is is open water fishing is the troll for them you know and my see
1:25:51
now I've changed my way like to this day I'd still would rather catch them jigging than than trolling cuz it's just
1:25:57
like that one I got that big 11 plus dude it was it was the most insane it was so strong everything about it was
1:26:04
how deep um about 22 23 ft water and you saw it on the Garment saw it on the
1:26:09
scope I saw two fish on the scope between 50 and 60 feet and this is right after Mikey broke off he says here go up
1:26:15
and take the live Scopes I just okay and I just fired out of I fired one cast out there oh he must have been so p but he
1:26:22
wasn't because the fish was so grossly big we like we couldn't believe how big it was and it ate the jig right down and
1:26:30
it an I felt that line tinging off his teeth you know the walley's teeth are pulled in they're sharp and they're all
1:26:36
pulled in like that the whole fighting we just kept and I had I had a 8B Yuri
1:26:41
fluorocarbon on and it held it held perfectly but I was just dying especially when we saw the fish at first
1:26:47
but but my point is that I would love to catch like I would rather catch two two fish jigging than five fish trolling but
1:26:54
the reality is the more and more I'm doing this late season stuff trolling is the best way of doing it trolling is
1:27:00
still your best way of going out and catching these fish like Dan said you're covering all that covering that hole that hole especially if you don't know
1:27:07
where they are when you're jigging at least in the in the trolling stuff I can pick a spot like the traditional ad doist reach we'll go out there and we'll
1:27:14
look for the bait and we'll look for the fish and just say you know what let's suck it up and let's just drag the yies in there at 2 m hour and you know you're
1:27:20
going to get bit or you're pretty sure you're going to right so and Chances Are One going to look like that too or more than one's
1:27:26
going to look like that so um I'm not I'm not a real troller in the sense of like like you know me I'm like you with
1:27:32
the casting and all that stuff with bass and all that goes with Walley too but when when push comes to show I think
1:27:37
nowadays you're better off picking that trolling you know trolling gig you got to do what you got to do yeah right you
1:27:44
got to do what you got to do you can't be one-dimensional in fishing I think the most successful Anglers will tell
1:27:49
you that that that there is no secret pattern there is no secret bait there is no secret time there is no nothing look
1:27:56
at the musky guys the trollers versus the casters you know I mean they all want to catch them casting but they all say I think we got to troll them up I
1:28:03
think we got to get that giant trolling sort of thing right so um would you prefer to have just a curiosity a two
1:28:13
bite day if they were giant giant fish or would you prefer to have a day where
1:28:21
you're catching fish every I don't know 15 20 minutes yeah that's a good one especially this and they're smaller and
1:28:26
they're smaller yeah yeah yeah for jigging at this time of year I
1:28:33
take the multiple fish all day long like that was that giant I got was great but
1:28:38
it's a long day when the only wall I got all day it's a long day it's a long day so I would definitely take that bu bu
1:28:45
cuz we Mike and I talked about God used to be the days we used to get those but what what happened to those days where
1:28:50
tap tap tap tap tap tap we just get we' got tons of them all day long jigging you know what I mean so I Would by
1:28:55
knowing what how good that was absolutely I take that over now now would I take the all day when I was out
1:29:02
if I'm out trolling those two giants out trolling versus a bunch I don't know cuz
1:29:08
I'm kind of out there for that giant too but it's boring too right like that trolling can be boring as hell too so I
1:29:13
don't know that's a good one for the trolling jigging definitely lots of fish i' I'd be mixed on the on the trolling
1:29:19
you um big fish yeah I would much rather no kid sit there even in the jigging
1:29:25
like just sitting there all day long you're going to get two fish but you know they're going to be good ones depends on on my frame of mind and what
1:29:31
I went out to do right if I went out to how cold it was out there sure all that stuff right if I went out with big fish
1:29:38
in mine targeting big fish in mine yeah I I I don't care whether I get one fish
1:29:44
I I don't care whether I get multiple small fish versus why I'd rather have the one which without question yeah yeah
1:29:51
um and it it just it it just to me it changes the Dynamics and then every once in a while of course you have that magic
1:29:57
day where you get a ton of big fish that is that's goal the epitome of it all for
1:30:03
sure and that can happen at this time of year from here on to the ice that sh you'll never you'll never have a better
1:30:09
chance at giant fish and more giant fish than ever than this time of
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now back to the show how big a role in your opinion and
1:31:03
and once again let's take Bay of pointy out of this scenario because I don't really think it applies because it is so
1:31:10
unique but we're talking Inland Lakes we're talking smaller Lakes where where
1:31:15
you know that there are a good population of uh of Walley how big do
1:31:21
you think uh weed growth plays under the ice
1:31:26
I think it's very important to me it's very important only the the little ice
1:31:32
fishing that I've done and the little late season open water fishing that I've done on on multiple species including
1:31:38
larg mouth bass larg mouth Pike and walleye I think weed growth is very
1:31:44
important even you you keep hearing about this stuff about dead weeds there these dead weeds take give off carbon
1:31:51
diox whatever like that know I found that fish still hang around that area
1:31:56
they maybe they're not right in that thick weed patch but they're close to the edge of those weeds but if you can find green weeds cuz green weeds do grow
1:32:03
under the ice people don't understand that one people don't believe that a lot of times green weeds and if you can find
1:32:08
that I think it's great for for those weedy type of lakes those Rock and weed Lakes like that I think it's a fantastic
1:32:14
spot if you can set up on a point of green weeds for walleye U from this from
1:32:19
before ice and right onto the ice and and once again it's food it's all food related yeah there's per around there
1:32:26
usually if if there's food in the green weeds and there's food floating around
1:32:32
swimming around in the main Basin of the lake I think I think walleye are would
1:32:38
be susceptible to being caught in either one of those areas because they're focused on on food yeah once again it
1:32:45
all goes back to food I think if there was a way that we could
1:32:50
magically if you know if Garmin comes out with a a unit that detects food it's
1:32:57
going to be a winner I don't know how it would do it but if they somehow come up
1:33:02
with a technology that uh makes it easier for us to find food in that Lake I think
1:33:09
fishing will become such a simple Pastime as opposed to complicated one
1:33:15
it's complicated now sure it is it's complicated and the reason it's complicated we're trying to figure out
1:33:22
the Predator fish we're trying to see okay where is he up to be today well we just mentioned green weeds under the ice
1:33:28
are a key we mention that sometimes they're in Open Water we mentioned like we mentioned all kinds of things based
1:33:34
on the Predator but I keep going back to food if we can find the food you know we
1:33:40
we you and I both are are big on on looking for some kind of fish holding
1:33:47
structure in a body of water that's the first thing we'll look for in Midsummer right all right let's let's find that
1:33:53
ideal structure but we're doing it because we say well while I love those
1:34:00
underwater humps they love those long tapering points they love they love they
1:34:05
love but why do they love it they love it because of food and if we started just changing the way we look at fishing
1:34:14
and start learning I've said this before in these podcasts if we spent the amount of time researching
1:34:22
Bait fish as we do Predator fish I think our overall fishing would improve
1:34:29
tenfold if we knew cuz I don't know what triggers what triggers minnows to move
1:34:36
from shallow to deep what triggers fish to bait fish to school up
1:34:41
in balls out in the middle of of the lake what triggers I have no idea all I know is that whenever we find them
1:34:47
there's Predator fish down below they're looking to eat them so if you could just good point think
1:34:54
about that how if we knew as much about Dace and
1:35:01
and all the you know Emerald shiners and whatever Cisco scalp and everything our
1:35:07
fishing would become that much easier yeah because we do look for bait and when you find it you say oh oh there's bait there's bait there's there's easier
1:35:15
now with the live with the for viewing Liv scope on our in our case it is it is easier for sure to find bait versus
1:35:21
traditional screen I even have a buddy at West who's detecting uh chromed hatches on Liv scope oh yeah yeah you
1:35:27
were telling me that that's dialed in that's dialed in why couldn't think about that yeah think about that how how
1:35:35
simple you could predict it yeah because we could we have the tools right now like Liv scope is a tool to find a bait you need you need to know how to predict
1:35:41
okay they're going to be over here somewhere and then you drop your exactly oh there it is there she be but if you
1:35:47
knew that in the month of May yeah there's a hatch of whatever on that body
1:35:53
of water and what that hatch needs in order for it to perpetuate itself right
1:36:00
and continue that cycle then you go look for I told you one year during the the
1:36:06
old tournament the cand US walleye tournament that Reno and I found walleye
1:36:12
in I think it was 26 or 28 feet of water we didn't know till later exactly what
1:36:18
what it was but it was the mayfly hatch right and that was a basin of mud in 26
1:36:23
28 ft of water yeah yeah yeah and we hid it just at the right we had no idea we
1:36:29
had you used to catch those fish oh God we started out just with conventional stuff but then by the end of the
1:36:35
tournament we had narrowed it down to to little maribou um black maribou jigs
1:36:42
tiny little yeah once we found out we're getting close to what you know knowing what it was then we fine-tuned our baits
1:36:49
and oh my God but it was crazy and what was happening while I were sitting over top of this Basin this little hole that
1:36:55
was no more than 50 ft in in circumference but it was in 26 or 28 ft
1:37:01
of water it was a a definite Bowl but it was full of mud and this is where the
1:37:07
mayflies were coming up once they broke through as uh as larvae and they broke through they would come up to the
1:37:13
surface and on the way up these Wy schools of walleye had surrounded this bowl and they were just waiting for them
1:37:19
to pop up but they were eating like crazy they won't eat other stuff will they like you could troll you could troll the Yuri through there and they
1:37:25
won't even look at they even look at you cuz at that particular point in time their head is right on that focused on
1:37:30
that so that's why I say if we could better understand that if we spent the the time and did the research on a body
1:37:38
of water and it's the infrastructure of food on that body of water and found out
1:37:43
when and where our fishing would become an absolute dream yeah cuz we wouldn't
1:37:50
waste the time time that we waste maybe biologist the biologists might know maybe we need to Buddy up with some of
1:37:55
those guys and I don't know there's it doesn't seem to be a real group out there that's studying food fly guys are
1:38:03
better at it I think they pay way more attention but they have to because you have to be so tuned in yeah um yeah but
1:38:11
yeah there's in the conventional world that there's not really anybody who's like yeah yeah it is weird that no one
1:38:18
is but that would be the key yeah because it is the key fish they need
1:38:24
to reproduce themselves and in order to do that they have to stay healthy by eating that's it that's all they do in
1:38:31
life yeah so we've already isolated the reproduction part if we know where the
1:38:38
primary reproduction areas on a lake that's going to be a big key because it tells us where to start I'm mapping them
1:38:44
out right all we have to do now is figure out how the food base works on
1:38:50
that Lake to understand that migration that takes place every day and and
1:38:56
nobody yeah you're right nobody's doing it right we we spend a lot of time in creating all these wonderful baits and
1:39:01
and colors and sizes and shapes and hell it's all about the fish we we throw them
1:39:08
in late listen I don't care what anybody says I'll bet you 75% of the baits that we use I'm talking we the colors and
1:39:17
shapes of those baits are not even prevalent in that body of water oh God
1:39:22
look at that look at that right the bottom one is uh perch that would be the closest one that's it to there we don't
1:39:29
know the size or the true shape and and by the way that's not a real perch shape
1:39:34
anyways no perch color but it's not a per shape it's shaped that way because that's what gives it that nice nice nice
1:39:40
M action right so I don't know it's just a thing I've had in my head forever I
1:39:47
think going back to that weed thought though I I I have a feeling that that bait going to minnows and that still
1:39:54
hide in the dead weeds it's just something for them to hide out from they might move out of there if it's given carbon dioxide or
1:40:00
whatever the problem is with that I don't know the theory behind that but I I know if there's a hiding area for
1:40:05
minals to go into they're going to go into those dead weeds to hide and then come back out when the Predators are gone because the reason I say that is
1:40:11
because especially with Pike and large mouth I got a couple leges that I work with and I've seen it when the water
1:40:18
temperatures hit in the 40s and below so that really cold for large Mo and it is cold for large M but it doesn't stop
1:40:24
them from moving and then running Liv scope and I'm I'm running these weed beds in these weed areas and I'm seeing
1:40:29
all kinds of activity from all these fish that are in this dead weed area they aren't even alive they're just in
1:40:36
that edge they're working in and out and all around that and they're using those weeds you know at in this this time of
1:40:43
year so I know the Walle I would be too and if there was a you know uh green weeds as you said but even in F dead weeds if you find that weed bed they're
1:40:49
using those fish still use that stuff even if it's dead we use something um at certain times of year to
1:40:57
help us when we're faced with cold fronts and I think fishing through the
1:41:04
ice is no different than this and and we use zup Plankton or phytol Plankton or
1:41:10
microscopic food sources as our key because we say when they are not able to
1:41:16
reproduce on a 24 Cy 24-hour cycle which would be normal for them
1:41:22
um the the Everything Changes in the water column in terms of its aggressiveness or activity if the cycle
1:41:29
isn't happening with microscopic food then the next level Predator knows and
1:41:35
it shuts down and the next one shuts down and next it's a chain reaction they know that until things settle down and
1:41:42
that reproduction cycle of micro scopic food is back to normal then everybody kind of says let's not use a whole lot
1:41:49
of energy well how about that in terms of ice fishing yeah I don't know I don't know what the
1:41:55
well Z plankin doesn't just die it doesn't it's still existent under the ice yeah but has anybody ever really
1:42:03
done any studies has has looked at that because that might be the key to all
1:42:08
this thing you mentioned dead weeds or green weeds there'll still be some kind of activity in there well maybe
1:42:16
maybe if we knew more about microscopic food source which every one of these
1:42:21
from the little minnow up to the big giant Predator every one of them is connected to this microscopic food
1:42:29
source well maybe that would be the key in ice fishing maybe we need to better
1:42:34
understand how that part of the equation yeah deals with frozen water do they uh
1:42:41
is there as much uh breeding I guess you I don't know what you call it the hatching activity in 30° Waters there is
1:42:48
in 60 or 70° water right you know what I mean there might be a big difference in just that alone who knows where they do
1:42:53
it where it happens or maybe no difference that's what I mean it might be no difference at all because as far
1:42:59
as I know what triggers them in open water is barometric pressure as opposed
1:43:06
to temperature it's really not temperature related you think they'd be the least effected of everything under
1:43:11
there maybe they might be hardly any effect maybe there's no effect at all I I don't know because these fish don't
1:43:17
like people think fish hibernate and all the God they don't do that in the cold water now granted I mean once it gets to
1:43:26
February and you're on a on a lake where there's small mold bass and they've grouped up in that 30 35 foot of water
1:43:32
yeah they get down there and get dormant on a lot of days but they they don't stop feeding they all of a sudden have to eat triggers and they have to eat a
1:43:38
little bit or whatever like that so um they don't all go and Walley that's not
1:43:43
the case at all Wy just keep going through the winter right they don't go dormant at all they're always moving and eating they're they're they're a feisty
1:43:50
little fish they are those fish I'd be curious to find out what happens to the
1:43:55
microscopic food yeah cuz that guess where your Minal that's where your minerals are going right where that
1:44:00
stuff is right that's that's where the per are going to go where the minals go and that's where the Walley is going to
1:44:06
be where the perch goes right so if we could figure out how that Dean's already
1:44:12
looking it up aren't you Dean works I will be oh it will be how that works I mean because that's maybe that's that
1:44:18
movement you know we talk about that movement sometimes it's 10 minutes 15 minutes and those fish are on the Move
1:44:24
uh or better yet they're there and they won't bite well maybe it's all based on
1:44:30
the same things that we experience in open water and that is well we can see
1:44:36
that that there's a system moving in the bar the barometer is moving up or down well okay we know that things are going
1:44:42
to change so let's change our tactic on catching fish but maybe we're not doing that
1:44:48
through the ice MH because we don't think and if it's on a daily basis you
1:44:55
got to be on the right day because those other two days after before whatever there's nothing happening nothing
1:45:00
happening at all all of a sudden that one day the zoo Plankton is going crazy everything's going crazy yeah you might be right you're on something to look
1:45:07
into if you're uh if you're into wanting to learn more about how to catch fish
1:45:12
you got to get down to the basics and then basics for them it's food and I
1:45:17
think through the ice if somebody starts studying uh phytoplankton zo Plankton all of those microscopic little little
1:45:25
creatures I think it'll uh make a change there you go interesting that it I like
1:45:31
that I just blew my wad on that one I love it I love it oh God anyways
1:45:39
yeah it's it's this is a great time of year to still be out there safety is a huge concern you know your boat if your
1:45:46
boat is insured number one you want to make sure if you don't care some people don't care a lot lot of people say that's okay I'm not going do that's up
1:45:52
to you but make sure you're dressed warm obviously atct you know you're definitely flotation of some type or
1:45:59
other that's come a long way right oh my God the flotation suits nowadays and and
1:46:04
you know this is the time if you're an ice fisherman you probably already own uh a flotation sup because the ones that
1:46:09
they're making nowadays are great it's not the big old I mean that Mustang is still the be all and all it's the best of the best but there's a lot of them
1:46:16
now you know bibs and coats and they're very thin and they they work really really well uh but you have to keep
1:46:21
safety in mind those little hand warmers put those little hand warmers in your gloves put the foot warmers or hand warmers in your boots cuz you're going
1:46:28
to need them I don't care what you say a warm day out there this time of year would be 8 degre you know Celsius so and
1:46:35
a lot of times yeah a lot of times just less than five and if you got a wind chill going on there I've seen so many
1:46:41
times where the boat was covered in ice we've done been out there it's stupidly but the waves get big and you're thinking oh it's only going to be plus
1:46:47
three or plus four we can do it but you're when you're boat turns to ice the sheet of ice in your you're in trouble
1:46:53
she's cold and then a lot of guys want to do it at night that just adds a whole never done that one out in the boat in
1:47:00
late fall like that you did it at Belleville I wasn't there Mike Mikey and I talked about that the other he said
1:47:06
that your your boat you hit the wave and a sheet of ice just formed right in front of your boat it was it was UN it just adds a whole other element to
1:47:14
Danger quick little tip we've talked about it in the past and we've had it on fishing canada.com but just a quick
1:47:21
little reminder when you're confronted with the the elements that Pete just spoke about one of the first things that
1:47:26
happens is your hands your hands are nonfunctioning you can't do things like
1:47:32
tie on baits you can't do things like you they just become a real problem uh
1:47:38
whether they're in gloves or not in gloves one of the U great little tip
1:47:43
that our own gour piser uh turned us on to oh God 25 years ago at least on the
1:47:50
radio show was to take uh those little hand warmers the little packaged hand
1:47:57
warmers yeah I just talking about yep but rather than put them in your gloves or in your pocket and warm your hands
1:48:04
try to warm all of your appendages in a glove or in your pocket with one little
1:48:10
hand warmer if you wear little wristbands those little ter wristbands that uh
1:48:16
weight lifters and stuff will will often have on just wristband put that that
1:48:22
heating pouch underneath the wristband against the bottom of your wrist here
1:48:27
where the majority of the blood flows through into your hand and it will blow
1:48:32
your mind what happens you can have no gloves on and still use your fingers it
1:48:39
just takes the cold away from the ends of your fingers because the blood is being warmed by the little hand warmer
1:48:46
it's smart it's a smart but I I've tried it in the real cold stuff and it doesn't work to for me in the real real get bad
1:48:53
if it's like that plus like plus 10 plus 8 that's good that's when it works really you can bear hand fishing but but
1:49:00
I found that you know another one that's really good and if people ever you ever see them there's little pouches usually
1:49:06
they're Hunters who have them they're camouflage you put your hand you put two hand warmers in those pouches and you put them in early in the day and I'll
1:49:12
tell you when you have to touch a fish with your you know your minnows you're getting minnows you you touch your minnow you touch the fish for a picture
1:49:19
you're what whatever you're doing your hands get so damn cold when they get wet but you you know dry them off as best you can just stick them in that in that
1:49:26
pouch and just grab a hold of those two things and that will bring you back because sometimes you go beyond right there's of course knowing you as well as
1:49:32
I know you I'm sure that the minute you get home that night you take that hand warmer you turn it inside out you you
1:49:38
put it in the washing machine and get all of that fish guts and everything okay no I'm just saying I know once a
1:49:43
whether needs or not once a year if it needs so nice in
1:49:49
there it's like get little kangaroo poat so warm oh God but it does work well
1:49:54
I'll tell you that so but that that the wrist warmer thing is great for when you're in that plus 10 plus eight just
1:50:00
it takes the edge off and you can have them there anyways and then you can have there all day and then put them in your afterwards to help it just makes a huge
1:50:06
difference because if you think about it all the blood that's rushing through here is what's going into your hand if
1:50:11
you can heat it up in that nice narrow area where it's all concentrated it just makes things that much easier and you
1:50:17
can you can move anyways just one of the many things that WEP learned from
1:50:23
experience yes sir and experienced people there's a bunch of B well there
1:50:28
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you got to act pretty quick no I know I know there's good little Christmas gift F it' be a great little and it's got the
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logo somewhere The Outdoor Journal logo on the bot on this side here I think isn't it right there I see it there it
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is hidden hidden from y'all there and it's just a a cool item yes all right we
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got to move on here what are we going to be here all day I got pasta waiting for me for God's sakes you you do no I wish
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I could say can you bring some in for the team here after the leftovers um want to remind everybody uh
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about the contest the everpresent contest on fishing canada.com come on
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now I don't know what's up there right now but uh I'm sure that there are live scope there's a live scope plus ice kit
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a live did you hear this a live scope plus ice kit right now available to be
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one when is that going to be uh uh just after the New Year the the week we're back y PR what a great PR what I mean
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I'm tell well we use we use that kit through the ice and in the open water just to let everybody know it's not just
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say hey here's here's something nice for you something we use a a lot of and we've got a lot of live oh my God what's
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the value of that kit oh Grand more between four and five between four and
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$5,000 anyway somebody somebody is going to be very happy early
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January get your uh votes in there votes your contest in there all you need to do
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is put in your email and you're in so nice and easy wow what a great prize folks what do you mean all you have to
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do is put it in your email well if you put in your email in the contest you get an entry put your email it helps now I'm
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I'm confused I thought they had to fill out a ballot and stuff no they put their name in their email and that's it they that's it yep that's all you oh my God
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yeah we make it easy oh my God we're a Liv scope kit yep woo they so they go to
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fishing can.com to the contest button yep and once they're there all they have to is put in their email yep if you're
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listening to this podcast you've already heard the bonus code you type that in you'll get 100 entries so if you hello
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and how often often can they enter they can enter as many times as they want oh there's no 24-hour deadline like every
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day you're allowed to enter again but there's lots of things you can do if you check out an article you get an entry if
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you listen to a podcast you get an entry we we give you lots of opportunity it's worth it I mean yeah we're trying to get
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you to our website ultimately absolutely we want some engagement but I'll tell you what folks for a prize like this wow
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that's that's a that's awesome it don't get much better than that all I got to say no uh that are it for us we got to
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wrap this baby up on behalf of the entire Outdoor Journal crew uh vva thank
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you uh Nick hopefully you're doing well today uh Nick is a little under the
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weather but he's still probably would uh Dean tayor come on now uh my good buddy Peter Bowman I'm
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Angelo Viola thanks for joining us we'll catch you next
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