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[Music] and now another exciting episode in The Adventures of Outdoor Journal
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radio how thank you for joining us I haven't had a new one in this long time I
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figured I'd add something it always gets you all cranked up I like it welcome to the program Outdoor
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Journal the podcast Outdoor Journal radio the podcast show come on now thank
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you Dean um he is Peter Bowman I am Angelo viola rounded by brilliance by
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the way we have vvo over there bril new man Orion over there we have uh
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sometimes in and out Nick over there and of course our bull illustrious producer right over there Dean
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Taylor prefaced by a bunch of by the way I don't know whether you noticed I'm wearing the lovely bunch of t- by the way a bunch of
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if you don't have yours yet you are almost in the minority now because these have become the most popular thing
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on our site way really I'm telling you they are just awesome and originally they were supposed to be just a one of I
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don't know if you remember or not when they were proposed to us um by Tim at
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campus crew it was going to be like a one of and uh it was so overwhelmingly
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popular that they decid I guess people could wear that anywhere because it they don't have to care about the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast they just think
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that's a bunch of no matter what the whole in places that were totally removed from our world and
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people just love it they love it it applies to everything it does it applies to everything in life bunch of
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yes it is jib boy life can be that oh my God any welcome to the
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program what an exciting show as per usual I don't think we've had a bad one yet because today today is Fish Talk day
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give me a hell yeah I love fish talk day fish talk with the doc our very own Dr
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Steven Cook will be joining us here momentarily uh talking about a situation
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that we're all confronted with every year sometimes it comes earlier sometimes it comes later in the year but
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there's always a period of time where we say holy crap it is hot today but yet
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there we are on the water sweating away fishing away we want to know how that affects fish and so do Stephen because
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they're researching that as we speak is interesting information that um they're going to share with us today uh on the
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program I can't wait for that CU there's so many you know so many questions and it's we living in Canada now our weather
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is ridiculous like when you think about it how crazy it is from winter to summer and then from day to day in the summer
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like uh like right now we're in a heat wave we were in a heat wave two days ago it's it's tolerable now tomorrow is
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going to be 28 degrees in Sun next weekend's going to be 30 something degrees it's I think get used to it cuz
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I think that's that's where we're going to sit for a while for sure it's going to get worse it's probably going to get worse I would think now I recall two
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years ago we had one of the the worst Summers of all on our shoots because we
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never had our rain gear and our foul weather layers off all year right
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remember that once two seasons ago it was nuts there were no shorts no t-shirts no nothing so a cold season
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yeah things are uh uh speaking of I just saw uh just to get off subject but talk
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about no you don't want to get off subject Northwest Territories um our old buddy Ryan Gregory there he just posted
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a thing on Instagram you would not not believe the horse flies there right now did we escape them we must have escaped
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them dude because it was ridiculous I'll show you I'll find it like we talking numbers or just size numbers outside his
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truck window is they're like swarming like bees it is vula would go absolutely insane out of his mind a person couldn't
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go out in it I don't know how people would you know maybe you have your you have 30 of those dragonflies off you because it would be I'll show you what a
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test for those dragonflies though oh my God it would be good anyway sorry just I saw that it was the
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heat of the summer that's what thought made me think of it the heat of the summer going on in Northwest Territories it brings out all the bugs and
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everything too right so yeah it's a it's a strange one for sure uh to say the least uh anyways before we get into uh
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Mr Cook Dr Cook why M why' they call him Mr Dean what St he's got a good stature
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put it behind you though I know I see I see him he's right there a lovely smiling doct cook and I call him Mister
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it's cuz it's backwards on that screen that's why you got it you thought well that could be it too could I should just do that Dr backwards
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Mis see then I'd see the doctor Steph J cook stepen J cook wait a second Ste
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what was it wait wait wait we got to do Steven J cook fellow of the Royal Canadian geographical society and
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Secretary of the College of the royal canadi Canada he's got quite a title that man
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that would work uh anyways before we get into any of that uh just a little bit of uh
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housekeeping on our part the fishing Canada store we just mentioned a few moments ago not only do you get uh a
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chance to purchase this lovely uh shirt that I've got on but all of the big hits
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are there especially these guys little embroidered fish Canada uh show show
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other people where your heart is right there you go out in one of those they know exactly where you live baby yeah
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fish in Canada uh these are the latest the greatest uh big embroidered patch on
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restock for the season nice restock for the season because we've been out for a while apparently there was two by the
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way out of those three here I want you to now take a guess so we've got a Musky
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a walleye and a largemouth bass version of this wonderful design okay out of
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those three I want you to give me an order one two and three in terms of
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popularity sales well right across the country I'm going to go because because
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you're making it sound a little different I'm going to go non-popular I'm going to go by looks I'm going to say musky number one cuz it's a cool
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looking one it's the big I say musky walleye bass is what I'm going to say
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guess it's you're close the only thing you you got perfect on was the bass oh really it's it's it's underperforming I
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thought bass would be because I love the bass design I think that's
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fantastic I think it looks great but anyways uh number one and musky number
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two yeah there you go and more to come we're working on uh some uh trout
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species how about sheep head he's going to be pretty good we'll do a sheep head we're going to do a carp we're going to do a lovely carp come on are you
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absolutely can't put that crankbait in front of him though going put a boily put a boily corn have a couple little
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yellow dots above it that'd be perfect uh t-shirts uh hats I mean you name it
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the collection is grow now this is a new collection that you see here but uh there's other collections there that are
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on the site uh wonderful color palettes and t-shirts perfect timing for the summer uh not just uh the black t-shirts
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but we have a whole collection of really cool colors so check it out it's all
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happening at fishing canada.com uh go there click on the store or you can be a heathen like these
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gentlemen around me they go through the back door which is what what is the back door address shop. fishing canada.com
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thank you there you go now uh listener feedback yes from EP sunberg 9326 via
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YouTube you like those names don't you you like those names wow and that all
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means obviously that means something to some whoever they had to pick a name so there's somehow there's either EP EP
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sunberg maybe the last name there uh maybe they use an epip pen one day of their life or something I mean who knows
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right it could be anything uh fun to be part of your podcast we had a great time as well at the lumber Lumberjack Lodge
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and we'll be returning next year these are the folks that were in the behind us we're right there I'm pointing to them
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covered them up in the writing there okay all right I like that cool
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they were great actually we agree cold water Pike taste awesome we typically don't keep them unless we pull them from
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the ice in the winter we also realized our limits and avoid a jackpot okay
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they they they were smarter than us let's just say that how was that what was that they avoided they realized
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their limits and avoided jackpot where we went into jackpot oh they knew they
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shouldn't go in there but they were smart we weren't so smart did we ever tell that story no yeah on that podcast
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did we on that podcast ping into don't let Tony hear that that's all I can say yeah yeah yeah right it was nice talking
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to you your friends from Wisconsin thank you so much guys thanks for listening I appreciate it and great meeting you you
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guys were awesome back there he didn't make too much noise but just enough to we knew they were there right uh podcast
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Network highlights this week we are highlighting a doo doolo
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dooo Diaries of a lodge owner DOA he hates it Sten hates that I don't
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know why I love it it's got It's fitting he needs to have episode 51 boy he's
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already wow he's almost a year in woo uh behind the rod it's called the story
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behind Steve decision to build the lodge through exposure on fishing TV shows the
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strategy that he had he did good on that he did real good he was the best at that for sure and also on this episode he
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recites The Cremation of Sam McGee now we've heard him do it live on several occasions because it was part of his
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deal at the lodge uh everybody would grab a guitar we go out by the the fire
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and then at some point Steve would stop everybody and he'd go into this character have a whiskey or two and then get nice get
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it was the best well apparently uh not apparently he does that on this episode episode 51 called behind the rod uh on
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the uh Diaries of a LOD Jer if you haven't listened to that podcast uh series yet you are missing
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out on some incredibly some good stuff entertaining moments for sure yeah I can
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I can imagine when he gets all emphatic with the words to when he's when he's doing that but per well on the show oh
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yeah he he's a character for sure when he does that right and we got to see the one Dean Dean F filmed Dean filmed them
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on in the Northwest Territories we have to see that the climax is the best part of it probably yeah we'll post that for
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sure put it up we have to okay uh in the news if you are visiting fishing
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canada.com as we speak you'll notice that there is uh a lead story there uh
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new Balan water regulations for Great Lakes about time buddy no kidding I
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could never figure it out right time it was public knowledge and certainly
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media both uh mainstream and Outdoors Media covered it like crazy every time
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we'd have an invasive species hit the Great Lakes every single media Outlet would tell you it came from the ballast
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of another ship that's right that's right so I I mean this this went on for
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40 years and I kept thinking why in the hell don't they change the regulations so that they can't discharge Ballas that
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they picked up in the Atlantic Ocean in the Great Lakes that's right so they but
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that was back in 2006 it was just dumping that stuff right they're doing before they come into fresh water and
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that's all they had to do but how do you regulate that too right I mean do they go in there with these salt water Samplers in there they you know they
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should absolutely they should because that is the problem right there right so well new balast water regulations
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designed to hinder the transport of aquatic invasive species within our
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Great Lakes will come into effect at the end of 2024 which is this current year
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uh they'll re will require vessels entering the Great Lakes to transition transition transition to Modern ballast
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water uh systems that cleanse and this was the way to do it right you actually
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cleanse the organisms in the water uh before they're released out into the
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great lak so you're filtering now filtration system new system right yeah
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changing Bast from Salt to Fresh now you have filter it kill anything that's
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going to cost them some money too isn't it but good they need to look what it's costing what do you think the cost was
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of zebra muscles when it was they were first introduced the cost to change all of our pickup uh lines from all
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discharge and pickup units whether it was uh drinking water whether it was cooling water for the big power plants
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they all had to redesign their intake pipes because the Zebra muscles annihilated them and so think of the
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billions of dollars that spent was spent there and and of course with goes and
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who knows what well there's a there there there's so I'm assuming there's so many invasives that come into those
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ships that we don't even hear about there's probably tons of them maybe maybe that aren't affecting like a zebra
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wood or a GOI but there there it's happening for sure right it's inevitable so anyway it's there uh check it out
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it's on fishing canada.com it's an interesting story because it does go into detail as to you know what what
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changes are going to have to be made within the uh the system and like you just said it's one thing making these
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new RS but now we're going to have to police the to regulate that right and the Coast Guard that pulls them over
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like how do you pull over that ship right there hey buddy pull it over you know what I mean that's going to be tough so got to be a way hopefully
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they'll figure it out yeah they'll figure it out uh question of the week comes to us from Tim DS from
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Illinois via email yeah if you have a question that you would like to ask us
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feel free by all means send it to uh info@ fishing canada.com Dean will uh
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inadvertently get to it at some point although he proclaims to be very busy these days he time for any of that but
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he will go through it that's when you head that's a bunch of exactly
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come on Dean uh he'll go through them and he will make a decision which go into his
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45 gallon drum and which don't and the ones that go in there stand a chance of being read here on the program so there
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you go of as Tim's down down dead and what did Tim have to say Tim asked the
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question would you ever consider doing any shows in the US since Tim is from Illinois we've been getting this a lot
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actually the Americans are starting to write in whoa okay would you ever consider doing any shows in the US
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that's fishing Canada show obviously he's talking about so if you go back into the archives uh which I think most
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of our episodes are now up on YouTube I could be wrong H there's still some missing still some missing in the early
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years in fact in fact here how's this the very first episode of the fishing
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Canada show was Reno and I uh hosted
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that we we were in Florida on yes on uh Lake Maran I believe was the
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name of the lake okay uh and that was sort of the the headquarters for that
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episode from there we we went she headquartered fishing Canada from the US
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why you asked why I'm going to have to ask the question why because we could at the time because was it winter time up
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here it was winter time up here and we needed uh we had the segments shot there
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was one segment a steel head segment on the ganaras ice fishing you didn't want fishing headquarter no we you don't
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remember the first episode do you I remember seeing it I was in a hot tub posting it from a hot tub yeah that was
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yeah so my choice is in a hot tub in Florida or go and sit my Sor ass on an
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ice field somewhere it was pretty easy decision so yeah so and then from there
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I think for the first five years of the show I dare say every season we had at
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least one episode that was outside side of Canada most of them were from the US
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uh but we did some South American episodes we did u y River we got enough
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complaints from um Canadian viewers because unfortunately as the name implies like
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we kind of you know painted ourselves in the corner we pigeon hold ourselves
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because it's called the fishing Canada show mhm you know pretty hard to justify
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uh being on the R orc River in South Carolina doing the fishing Canada show
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so we we got enough complaints that uh we stopped doing I think it was in the first five years somewhere it's too bad
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because there's some great fishing opportuni south of the love we could get to we could get together Roy poly there
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and you know roelly and Jimmy I watched I watched the Jimmy Houston show yesterday and Roland was guested on it again my God they are hilarious two they
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are something else what a pair of units man I was laughing through the whole show oh my God but anyways yeah it would
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be to do it but the fans have spoken you know what I mean the the the fans have said we don't want the us we want Canada
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well that was before I don't know what they think now you know what if we had a fishing Canada travel South episode I
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think it have to be like a very special no what it should be is the
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fishing Canada guys travel South of the Border just like you know we joke about there's a
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there used to be another Canadian uh another Canadian Sport Fishing Show in
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this country and uh not to mention any names at all they would shoot about 75% of
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their episodes were out of the country and so after a while even Pete and I
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looked at that and said my God like they need to change the name or something it
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should be a Canadian sport fishing and that would be perfect that would be a perfect name for that show uh Canadian
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sport fishing cuz then you can go anywhere you're a Canadian and that's what they were they were Canadians but they were sport fishing all over the
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world so we said it should be not the Canadian sport fishing show it should be a Canadian Sport Fishing Show yeah yeah
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but anyways I I guess they uh they might have made they they made there made a
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lot of shows so must been making money out it or something fans didn't mind it I guess so I don't I don't know if our fans would like it or not maybe that's
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be a great little poll question to we put out to the to the fans on the web you know what I mean what would you guys
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like to see would you guys and girls like to see fishing Canada in the US let's say just as a uh as an example a
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fer or somewhere aside from Canada so do an episode outside of the country yeah see what they say as a web poll that'd
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be a and we'll see and say where and say where you're from please because we want to make sure the Canadians are given
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that because the US might as in uh Tim here he might you know they want to see us down there so let's make sure we know
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the Canadians and get their opinion and then we'll base it on our Canadian fanship because that'll be the most time I think anyways that's cool
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show all righty time for a little fish talk with the doc and our I love this part of the show so much fun boy uh our
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very own in-house fish doc himself Dr Steven Cook Steven how are you bud hey
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good to see you guys good to see you buddy good to be seen actually at at this stage stage of my life it's just
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good to be seen trust me uh the heat of summer is the theme
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today for you we've been uh experiencing some incredibly hot days out on the
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water as of late and it's just the beginning of Summer really beginning you know what I mean um but this year has
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been been insane it's either raining cold or steamy hot brutal hot yeah and
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we need to know what's happening with the fish what what does this do with the fishing and the fish in particular any
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effect at all or is it just us yeah oh it it means everything so um
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we use the the phrase the master Factor when we talk about water temperature and
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fish because remember whatever the water temperature is that's the body temperature of fish or of turtles or of
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crayfish uh all of those those so-called Ecto terms uh where or or what used to
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we used to call them cold blooded animals but really it's it's their their body temperature is the temperature
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around them and for animals that live in water that is the water temperature so if it's if it's winter and it's 4
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degrees under the ice then their body temperature is about four degrees and if
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it's 28 degrees Celsius their body temperature is 28 and everything in their body is dictated by temperature so
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they're boring things like their cellular processes and enzymes basically the Machinery of what's going on in the
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body but that dictates how how much oxygen they need uh how fast they can
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swim how quickly they digest food and therefore how how quickly they need more
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food to keep things going so the costs of making a living increase
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exponentially with warmer water temperatures so it's not just like oh think I I need you know it's getting a
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little bit worse it tends to get a lot worse quickly um and there thresholds
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there's time there's temperatures where it gets over the the limit and a fish
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will die um those temperatures can be you know you can imagine a fish just sitting doing nothing those temperatures
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of course are higher than if you say oh I'm a salmon and I actually have to not just sit there but I have to migrate so
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those temperatures are a little lower than what the lethal temperatures would be because they have to exercise on top
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of it and when you're on death's door step uh there's no there's no room there's no scope for for that exercise wow I got a
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million questions I'm sure Pete does too so number one we we keep saying uh that that fish is there sunning itself and
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it's uh going into shallow water to warm up and and Etc but basically what you're saying that probably is not the case
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because most of them are not really really comfortable in warm water from
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from what I'm hearing and if that's the case then um how come the fish just don't I mean
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if it's that simple so so if if fish are normally in let's just call it six feet of water if if they're in a 6ot area and
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because the heat the sun's been blasting down in that patch of water for so long that that that it's gone to that
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discomfort Zone then wouldn't it just be a natural move for them just to slide
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down a little deeper in the water column because they've got to know that the water drops in temperature as they get
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deeper or am I wrong in that assumption too yep they they do know that yes yeah
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um so uh this is a science so we'll say it's complicated so obviously early in the season things like Sunfish including
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the bass they love that sun they're trying to get that extra warmth so that their body can sort of start going they
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can start cranking they can start digesting food quickly more quick quicker than they would uh during winter
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so so they want they want Heat at that point at that point it's just at some point it becomes too much and uh so yeah
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the obvious question you know why not just move right you know we if when we're uncomfortable we pick up and and
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move or we you know maybe we adjust the air conditioning but they don't have that uh um that that opportunity so
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there are a couple things so first of all fish are really good at being able they're they're basically a living
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thermometer uh and they can detect differences in temperature down to
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0.001 degre cus and so what that means is they're able to you know imagine a
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bass under the lily pads it can move around trying to find a spring uh
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obviously shade under the lily pads maybe a slightly deeper patch that maybe there's an incoming Creek that might be
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half a degree two three degrees colder than the area around it so first off
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they're pretty good at finding those those microhabitats those cool water refugia although in that kind of
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scenario like a Backwater Largemouth swamp there's not much um but there's a
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couple other things that come into play so one is food right um even if it's uncomfortable so if you're
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hungry and uh you know uh and I dangle uh you know uh you know something you
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know a bag of chips uh you're GNA walk into an area that's either really cold or really hot or a B you know a blizzard
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if you're that hungry and fish will do the same if they know that there's food up there they'll go and even though it
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might be too warm for the bass it might not be too warm for the golden shiners or for The bluntnose Minnow and and so
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on so um the other thing is fear fish are afraid they're afraid of being eaten
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even big fish that that we like to to catch and so sometimes that idea of oh
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can't they just slip into deeper water if there's less structure less cover makes them more vulnerable to
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predation uh so it's this tradeoff they're they're sort of balancing you
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know it's hot but you know I it's better than over there where I see that Gator
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looking at there's something to eat and you know I I I haven't seen an osprey
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fly overhead or it hasn't seain me because I'm under the lily pads I go over there there's musky that hang on at
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that weed bed and the last time I S you know I haven't eaten a good you know a
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good golden shiner over there in weeks so all of those are things that the fish are are trading off again at some point
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there's a threshold and it doesn't matter it'll just hot water will will kill fish but even when they're in that
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danger zone those are the kinds of things they're they're trading off wow interesting so you said that the the
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bass let's go the opposite end of spectrum now you say bass and Sunfish go into the shallows cuz they want the sun
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in the spring what about a fish like a lake trout does it need the Sun or anything cuzz lro when when the ice goes
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away the water's going to start getting a bit warmer and all that what's lro do just to get going and feeding because they eat all winter too right so is
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there a big difference there they are because they are uh fancy term cold water stenotherms so they stay at pretty
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similar temperatures year round obviously or or they try and stay within as narrow of a temperature range as
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possible and that temperature range is on the cool side it doesn't mean that they won't come up into shallower water
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and feed but they'll go back down to where they came from and they'll try and do that before their body temperature
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changes so uh so we see these shortterm sort of foraging foray into into warmer
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water and then right back to the the cool so uh yeah so you know they take
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advantage of that warm water if there's food up there uh but they're they're different and there's a reason Sunfish
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are called Sunfish right right I'm assuming sorry I'm assuming shinuk salmon would be the same thing in Lake
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Ontario you see them go up they're in as cold as deep as water whatever and they they seem to go up and hit these bait
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balls up shallow but I'm assuming they jump back down or Swim back down obviously okay how uh how long does it
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take a fish to make that adjustment like how how long is is too long to be in hot water for example yeah um it it really
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depends on on water temperature and body size so uh bigger fish take longer for
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their body temperature to change something that's tiny has more relative surface area to to to volume and so it
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will change quite quickly so the bigger fish can go into those really really hot
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water environments uh you know Forge for you know 10 15 minutes and go back into cool
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water without it being lethal whereas something like a you know a little
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larvey stage uh laral stage fish uh it might be on the order of of seconds to
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minutes before its body temperature changed and and uh it's responding
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negatively or just not responsive at all that's sort of what happens when fish when it gets too hot they become you
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know just like on a a lazy hot summer day uh you're not going to climb a mountain uh you're going to chill beside
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a pool or beside the lake you're G you know just sit back and be an outdoor
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couch potato and they do the same they just the hotter it is the the quieter it
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gets but that means as Anglers need to they still need need to eat right you know fish they especially at those
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temperatures so you need to think about when they are eating and not surprisingly it's going to be early in
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the morning late in the evening or opportunistically when you put it right
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in front of them and they don't have to chase it it's just there so it's an easy
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meal they haven't had to had to um to swim far to get it so in in extremely
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hot water and and talk talking about let's talk largemouth bass in particular
30:31
so in extremely hot water safer to say and in terms of presentations for those
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fish safer to say that a very precise vertical presentation where you're
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dropping a jig on top of a fish's head literally is going to be the only way
30:49
that that fish is going to get caught that day because it's not going to chase that spinner bait across the the back 40
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theoretically yes although fish can't and don't read the rules and you will still get those reaction strikes right
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you know if you put you know a a a um something like a ChatterBait through the
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right spot and all they have to do is you know swim two feet to the left they'll do it um so you can you know
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strategy one is just cover a CRA you know a crap load of water and and hope you're gonna get lucky um but we also
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know that they you know they really hunker down and so the concentration of fish are you know down sort of at the
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base of of those dark you know the dark shadowy weeds weigh in in good you know
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deep lies and and things like that so I prefer to to go and be more tactical
31:41
figure out where I think they are and then do that more precise fishing as as
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you described it also probably it also probably uh matters if and when that large M use that large M has fed if he
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fed three days ago and three that day he feeds he's not going to chase anything probably when he yeah got a bluegill in
31:58
him but 3 days from now and he's hungry as hell he might burst out there for that little 2ot 3ot 5ot span or whatever
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it is right isn't it funny though I'm just thinking about that now the very same places that we're talking about
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where these fish will will take refuge and and and hunker down we as we call it
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the same place they'll do during really hot Mile High Skies uh extremely hot water conditions same same place that
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they'll go when it's a cold front or very cold conditions the opposite they'll look for those places that are
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kind of tucked in away from I guess danger uh and they can just wait it out
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SEC so kind of the same so wherever you're kind of fishing and we're talking large m in particular wherever you fish
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them during those wonderful brilliant summer days probably the same place you should look uh for them during a a
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severe cold front same idea whether it's reads underd piece of wood you know
32:56
floating slop I mean any of those for a large for sure right walleye might be different but I don't know well talk
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about walleye then I mean these are two extremely different species are they prone to the same weaknesses we'll call
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them as as Largemouth in terms of temperature yeah so so Largemouth uh not
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surprisingly they hang out in Shallow sloppy areas they get really warm that's consistent with them being fish that can
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handle those temperatures better than say a small mouth which likes you know you know deeper cooler Waters and then
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walleye are sort of you know in that in that small mouth maybe even tending a
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little bit more more cooler um and they tend to respond with depth that tends to
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be the default response of Walley is I will go deeper uh and then they they
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find their cool temperatures um it can be more difficult to locate them as an
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angler if you don't have good Electronics um but it also brings in barot trauma issues so that's the other
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the other equation so the fish are at cool temperatures you bring them up to shallows and all of a sudden they're
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dealing with warm temperatures plus barot trauma so if you're going to release those fish it's you know uh get
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them back in the water quickly so they can get back to depth um if they're struggling near the surface they're
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getting cooked that's water that they are not going to be comfortable with in the summer that's a great Point people
34:23
need to keep that in consider they should keep that in consideration deep water fishing no matter when you do it but then when you add that that warm
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water hot water element to it yeah that makes it even more volatile right is there a magic number for
34:36
Walley who is that who is that you're introducing to us there yeah well yeah we we'll talk about the owl here in a
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minute so um don't walk into a bar with that on
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your shoulder bu somebody's going to knock that off I'm going to guarantee you uh so is there a magic temperature
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for for walleye uh things start to go quite poorly probably at the 22 23° CSUS
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Mark uh which is I think that's about 74 is so 75 Fahrenheit so okay and let's
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not get confused with the surface temperature either and water temperature right huge difference we do it all the
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time I we get we go into a Back Bay and we look what's the temperature uh 58.5
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oh okay that's too too cold too hot but but it's our indicator for fishing but it ain't the reality of the fish life
35:27
for sure right how how deep is that how how uh surface temp how far down will it
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will it affect fish just go swimming you'll you you feel your feet you know take a dive down to 10 feet you're like
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wow I can't believe how much difference there is there so yeah exactly and it depends of course on the water but you
35:44
know another it depends but uh uh when you dive off a dock at a you know or dive off your your boat when you're out
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fishing just to cool off you'll feel it and it's usually you know five six seven feet down is where you start to feel
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that the start of of that so yeah yeah Hey Stephen speak I'm gonna go off top I
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want to get this owl off my shoulder okay do the owl do the owl first then go back to so why why do I have an owl on
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my shoulder what does this have to do with the topic of today right right because large Mo eat owls no
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muskies opportunistically maybe have you heard of Hoot Owl
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restrictions what hell are you so if we if we were in Montana or
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Alberta um Hoot Owl restrictions are something you'd be familiar with because
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you would need to abide by them to get any fishing opportunity for stream and
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River celm monets so the concept is that
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basically Fisheries are closed during the hottest parts of the day and open during the coolest parts of the day and
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so the hottest parts of the day usually go from about 2 in the afternoon through till about midnight and then from
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midnight till about 2 in the afternoon it's comparatively cooler and the reason
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they call them HUD owl restrictions it came from loggers who would so that they
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didn't overheat when they were doing their logging work they would work those same hours and when they were working
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you know at 2 3 4 in the morning they would hear a ton of owls so they called
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them Hoot Owl restrictions and bring up because they're becoming more and more
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common uh not just out west but this year on the Resto and the mirror mchi
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we're seeing them as well so it used to be on really sensitive water bodies when
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it the water got too hot usually for a salmon of some sort they would just close it all together right and uh
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they've been more flexible now so whenever water temperatures exceed it's usually 20 degre CI 68 Fahrenheit for
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two or three days then the hootowl restrictions will trigger and it'll go
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into that idea of you know you can either only fish from midnight till 2 or from you know 6: in the morning till
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noon or whatever time periods the a given jurisdiction has selected and so
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these are in effect now out east uh there's articles in in mainstream media
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about Fisheries closures and uh Alberta now has them for the the southern Waters
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including the the bow uh the Bow River uh they've got them in effect but
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they're it's it's from July 1st to October 31st in Alberta but it's it's
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that's when you have to figure out whether they're in effect on a given day so if they're off then you can go fish
38:46
at 6: in the evening but if they're on you you have that limited fishing window
38:52
how do you know that how can you tell I mean in the RS is one thing but how do you know that day by day we're not used
38:57
to this in Ontario but in British Colombia I used to live in in BC you have to phone to figure out whether a
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fishery is open or closed on a given day things are much more Dynamic and that as well as checking
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websites is the approach that Alberta's gone with I hope it's not like the passport office I was on the phone for
39:17
two hours in the boat the other day two freaking hours to find out my passport was in the mail okay sorry Stephen go
39:23
ahead should be it's theoretically better than that just recording that says you know you know on X date you
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know hudi oral closures are in effect you know and you know for the next 3 days or whatever it
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is yeah so unfortunately that's the world we're in right now where water
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temps are are getting to the point where it's starting to limit fishing opportunities uh and again we're seeing
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it it tends to be the coast more than uh our interior Waters here but it doesn't
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mean we don't have those hot days where you know the the few brook trout streams that are left in Southwestern Ontario
40:00
aren't just you know cooking and and a fish can maybe make it just sitting
40:05
there doing nothing but the exercise of fishing on top of that can push them over the edge well that's what I wanted
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to talk about next was you know with with the ever growing popularity of catch and release fishing obviously
40:19
temperatures play a much bigger role than ever before are there species of fish that just don't do well under hot
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weather conditions as Oppo as opposed to fish who do when it comes to catch and
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release yeah uh it's going to be the the fish that are cold water are the ones
40:39
that tend to do the the most poorly so that's going to be our celm monads here
40:44
in Ontario so our native salmonids like brook trout uh lake trout uh as well as
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our introduced ones like rainbows and Brookie sorry and Browns and the various
40:57
Pacific salmon uh Shino coo and uh and so on that we can fish for in the in the
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Great Lakes themselves so um but it all depends we talked already about when there's depth right they're good they're
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not dealing you know a shinook salmon in Lake Ontario is not dealing with a warm
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spell because they're at depth only if they come up into shallow water they come up in shallow water to feed
41:23
occasionally as we've discussed but they'll go back down or when we pull them up and so that comes to that you know in
41:30
those hot temperatures if you're going to fish you catch a cell on it and it's legal to do so maybe you want to eat it
41:36
or alternatively get it back in the water as quickly as possible holding a fish that's been caught at depth in cold
41:43
water it came from cold water holding it in say a Keat box or a live well uh a
41:49
cooler filled with water for a couple minutes thinking you're helping it at what H if it's surface water temperature
41:56
you're not you're W that's a great point I wouldn't even think people wouldn't even think of that I wouldn't think of that really so that's a great point you
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think you're giving them a big burst of oxygen oh this fish is going to be healthy as hell but you're you're eating them up you're cooking them
42:09
W few more CRS I like to take when I go fishing in
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the summer so the first is a simple thermometer uh what's fantastic now is
42:22
is tackle shops carry these you know you used to have to go to a snoody Fly Shop
42:28
find hear de that's awesome go ahead sorry but now
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you can pick these up at any fishing store and then you're able to do your own sort of monitoring how warm is the
42:41
temperature how much did it change between when I started at 6:00 am. this morning and at noon and at 4 in the
42:47
afternoon uh you can check your Live Well temperature if you're if you're holding fish uh in a live well and then
42:53
the other is whether it be pliers or hemat if you're working with smaller fish but something to help get that fish
43:01
off quickly so if you are going to release it you can get it back in the water uh and uh let it get back to those
43:08
cool temperatures uh where they've at depth uh where they've come from hey go
43:14
back a step now those are good points by the way but let's fish let's say we're fishing salmonids we have we're we're
43:20
fishing U shinook or we get a CO or shinook in Lake Ontario it's not doing great if you add an ice your life well
43:28
would that help and try to bring the fish back let's say you want to release it but it's not doing great so if I throw it back it might not if you cool
43:35
that water down in your live well with nice ice would that help yeah as long as you think about or or guesstimate the
43:43
temperature from where it came from because you can also cold shock the fish too cold uh too cold will stun them as
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well and and they'll literally just sit there sort of oblivious you'll let them go and they'll be dealing with the of
43:57
cold shock so the idea is and this is the same for you know a bass tournament
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you're not trying to maintain surface water you're try you know in an Ideal World You' you'd take your thermometer
44:09
and lower it down 10 feet if you were fishing smallies in 10 feet see what the temperature is and that's your target so
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we usually say uh no more than five or six degrees uh Fahrenheit cooler than
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what surface temperature is so that's a good SA Zone you're unlikely to cold
44:28
shock them so just knocking it down a couple degrees Cel four five six degrees
44:35
fit um making sure you're using ice that is not hyper
44:41
chlorinated right we've all we've all learned from that one I Think Through The Years um and also realizing that
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especially if we're talking you know if if even with a big cooler and a big cell moned they're going to Hoover through
44:55
that oxygen very very quickly uh it's remarkable how much oxygen they need
45:01
even if you cool the water uh so uh you always have to be thinking about that as
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well it's not just temperature it's oxygen and when after they've exercised that's when they're they're
45:14
taking it all in and uh so you know get your pictures and and you know if the
45:21
fish is Lively get it back as soon as possible the fish always tell you when they're ready to go
45:27
uh that's been my my experience there's no you know there there's science behind that but you don't need uh any degrees
45:34
or formal training if you can't hold on to that fish if it's vigorous upright and trying to get away from you don't
45:41
hold it back let it go right you just mentioned something and this might be the dumbest question I I've ever asked a
45:46
biologist especially but you said the fish exercise so a fish through swimming through a lot of exertion does their
45:53
body temperature stay the exact same through that whole thing or can their body temperature regulate go up can they get hot when they're swimming you know
45:59
what I mean or like we get sick as a humans our temperature goes up in our body is that possible in a fish fish
46:05
body temperature will increase by fractions of a degree in response to
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exercise or even digestion but but not something I'd be able to ever measure
46:19
with a you know a simple thermometer it would have to be in the lab the fish would have to be all instrumented up so
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it's it's negligible it their body temperature really is whatever the water is around them assuming they've been in
46:32
that water long enough to equilibri with that water temperature northern pike Steve what
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what's the deal with them they're a little different they're uh it's funny cuz sometimes they're
46:46
surprisingly strong fish and other times they're surprisingly wimpy fish and I think it's probably all based on what
46:52
the fish went through prior to being caught I suppose but what's the deal with them in terms of let's include
46:59
musky in that too because musky are even to me are even worse than Pike Wim apex predator in two of them and they wimpy
47:05
so go go ahead what's the word with those yeah we're gonna start with Pike because they are they are a bit different so Pike are fish that you can
47:12
find in allore gorge in the cold waterer brown trout fishery section uh of the
47:18
Grand River so they actually are tend to prefer cooler temperatures and on hot
47:25
days when surface temps are up it's really challenging to to catch Pike um
47:31
you you know need to again move off and those deeper weed beds and so on to find them so Pike are definitely temperature
47:37
sensitive we've done a bunch of work on Pike where we injure them in various
47:42
ways and and do things to them to simulate good handling and bad handling
47:48
and when temperatures are moderate to to cool you can basically do anything to a
47:54
pike they're pretty darn bulletproof uh including pretty severe Gill damage which normally for most every most any
48:01
other species a fish would be dead I've caught um repeatedly fish that have been
48:06
missing Gill arches that we accidentally damaged and like that fish is a goner and you catch it two days later uh so
48:13
they're they're pretty remarkable Pik are um but where they don't do well is warm temperatures and it's often times
48:20
from the handling and the infections that develop from there from from fungus
48:26
uh so they seem be quite sensitive to abrasion from from uh Nets uh if you
48:32
bounce them around and you know on gravel at the side of the you know the side of the lake or bouncing carpet in
48:39
the bottom of a boat those are the things and they the fish will swim away the fish will apparently look good to
48:46
you but three or four or five days later it'll develop a fur coat uh from water
48:52
mold so that seems to be the mechanism by which temperature out Pike um and musky musky uh so back
49:02
oh I guess it was about 15 years ago we actually did a catch and release study funded by our friends at muskys Canada
49:09
uh we caught a pile of musky in the r and the Ottawa River working with characters that that you would know a
49:15
bunch of fishing guides and uh at the at the end of the day we found very little
49:21
difference between what we called gentle handling where we basically used best
49:27
practices we didn't bring the fish on the boat release them at the side of the boat no air exposure that kind of thing
49:33
versus something that wasn't not egregious you know not you know but what a an angler might do bring them onto the
49:39
boat get a few pictures there's some air exposure you know and and get them back so we sort of compared those and we saw
49:46
uh negligible mortality across the board the fish were you know it temperature didn't seem to have much of a an effect
49:54
but th those were benign temperature years and we caught fish during benign
50:00
temperatures uh the two years that we did that work so uh musky Canada came back to us and said what about warm
50:07
temperatures and so we've got Crews on the water today flogging musky in areas
50:13
we're going to shallow Waters that are intentionally warm and we are catching musky we are putting tags on them and
50:20
tracking them for about a week to see how well those fish do we're doing again
50:26
sort of a gradient of treatment from gentle to a bit more severe to see where
50:33
those thresholds are uh the again those numbers we generated at the cooler
50:38
temperatures it's nice to know you can catch and you know and and handle a Musky without being you know a Musky
50:46
expert and the fish is probably going to do pretty well at those cooler temperatures but it's at those High temps where we're really trying to
50:52
figure out what are those thresholds so I can't tell you what they are right now um but they they most certainly exist
50:59
especially for fish that fight as in you know intense and aggressive way as as
51:05
they do I guess you know we we kind of think of those two species as being like
51:10
Stephen just said you know tough agressive but but but but now think
51:15
about it if you if you take the size and the weight and appli that to the other
51:21
fish that we talked about earlier Smallmouth large mouth pass and Walley they'd probably be as tough and and
51:27
aggressive and and mean and and hard to deal with as as the others right so we
51:32
always we always say that musky are tough be but that's because they're big generally they're they're they're much
51:38
larger than the other fish that we're catching so we just automatically associate them with having to be tougher
51:45
but in this case we know they're not they're they're as you said probably the for us yeah they like what stepen said
51:53
they exert themselves so fast so hard I think right and then something else that we have been
51:59
encountering certainly this year um and last year getting back to Pike for just a moment is that um I didn't realize
52:08
before just how much damage they do to themselves well with our help uh when
52:15
they roll up in your line because they tend to do that Pike are almost like
52:20
alligators and crocodiles right they they for whatever reason they they tend to roll up in your leader in your line
52:26
and never really noticed before until recently just how much damage that causes to the fish maybe you can address
52:33
that for just a moment yeah and that's something that's hard to study U you know we can simulate that but uh we we
52:40
have used cameras uh that you can troll behind uh behind the boat and the lure
52:45
comes after so you can see Pike and you can see Pike follow your lure for for hours until so cool until you change the
52:53
boat speed or give the the rod a little tap and then all of a sudden they either bail or or strike uh and they'll come
53:00
back and strike repeatedly which is so cool all right I'm getting getting excited here uh but you do see them roll
53:06
and there's not many fish around here that that that really do that as you say uh and some of those you know it can
53:13
definitely cut them quite deeply braid certainly does a number on them but so does so does monofilament you know um
53:21
yeah uh and they they roll so quickly it doesn't matter how fast you are on the Reel you know if you know it doesn't
53:28
matter if you're using a you know eight gear ratio bait caster and are just
53:33
cranking it uh they'll they'll rush and roll and yeah there's there's nothing
53:38
you can do that's uh that's what I was going to ask you on them unfortunately yeah we look at them we say wow look at
53:44
that I mean that's that's a lot of damage is that little thin line versus a big like a a swipe on the carp part of
53:50
the of the boat uh is there is one more dangerous are there are they equal that little we Thin Line there is it still
53:57
going to get bacteria in it infected in it it it will bacteria and fungus opportunistically again depends on how
54:03
deep how that line came off them often times the line will kind of like it's
54:08
almost like uh sort of Shear down their body so it's going against the scales and stuff popping the scales right yeah
54:14
so certainly uh not the not the best things for them but again getting them back in the water minimizing additional
54:21
handling uh can be helpful a few year well lot few years right about 20 years
54:29
ago that's a few to us now is it that's a few years for us it it it sort of was
54:34
it was in Vogue for about oh I'm going to say two or three years maybe four
54:40
years and it was a blue color but it was a product that you put into your live
54:45
well that was done so to help exactly that problem to to kill what the name of
54:52
that what was that fish fish formula no a it yeah
54:59
they're still using a th Marine still sells one to this day Y what do you think of that would that help in the
55:04
case of a pike for example so those products and I need to be careful you know they they make a lot of claims but
55:11
they are an unregulated industry so they can kind of claim what they want um it's
55:18
unclear how much science is behind them or what's actually in the products and the testing we've done and I'm not going
55:24
to say which specific products but we tested three of them uh in the context of bass large with bass uh recovery and
55:32
live wells and we saw no benefit um so you know uh they weren't
55:39
worse then just normal it must be good no but there is a caution and that is
55:47
that Health Canada regulates what we eat what you know ensures our safety and
55:53
putting products in in fish so if you hold a fish in a live well and it's in
55:59
some product like that and you release it you are now releasing a fish that has whatever that product is within it they
56:07
all of course claim that they're you know you know biodegradable or made with natural products and so on but we still
56:13
don't know what's in them and so I wouldn't want to eat a fish that's come out of a live well that's you know been
56:20
been in some unknown so technically not that Health Canada in s are going to be
56:27
wandering you know wandering the Lakes looking for that but uh you know we
56:32
don't want to put things into the the food chain so it you know some Anglers uh love it others don't uh I'm more of a
56:40
l you know get them back to where they came from as quickly as possible and keep them wet is is it bad for the fish
56:47
in a live well two hours sitting in in a tournament 3 hours in a tournament adding this stuff in they say it calms
56:54
them down relaxes them it does all that stuff but ultimately is it worse for the fish to have that in there than not have
57:00
that in there yeah yeah we found it to be pretty neutral no benefit no no
57:05
negative consequence other than and you're you're burdening them um of course we don't know how you know about
57:11
quality controls you know is the product the same this week as it was you know the bottle you bought two months ago um
57:19
so there just some questions because it is an unregular it's not from a a a Food
57:24
and Drug Company that monitored by the ussda or health Canada so again it it
57:31
could be anything so that's the the the challenge I remember um when you mentioned that it was green right it was
57:38
a green in color blue I thought it was blue one we used to use was green Mike B you to take a c put it in the cap then
57:44
you pour it in so we were doing a bass tournament one time and we said sh we got to try this this got it's got to work this supposed to be great for
57:51
the fish we and we forgot to turn the Live Well recirculator back on or something like that all those fish were
57:57
laying sideways within minutes they were like but they were still alive right they were dorm like they were doing what
58:02
they said calming them down they were sleeping like it looked like they were sleeping on their sides and then we said holy so we put the Live Well
58:08
constant on like that and they came back they literally did come back but it knocked almost knocked them out well it's funny you say that cuz the other
58:14
thought I had the other memory I had that was one cuz often we'd overdo it and they would do exactly Jungle Juice
58:20
was it called Jung jle juice jungle juice that's the old name that the old brand so there was that that we were
58:27
guilty of that a few times but the other one when you were talking about the cold shock we used to be big on um on uh ice
58:35
M now we didn't really even think about the chlorine that we were adding to the Water by the way it was just ice we knew
58:41
that ice was good bags as many as you could fit into a cooler with those fish
58:48
the better it was to the point where most of the time they would tilt on
58:54
their side or or fully up down and we' say good it's working because we stun
59:00
them so that's good cuz the coal has put them to sleep but that was our thinking
59:05
back then right we nobody knew anything we were all you know experimenting every time out every weekend out we'd be
59:12
experimenting with these fish and trying to figure what about those little freezer packs those blue freezer packs is that would that like take one smaller
59:18
one like that just add one in there just to bring it down a little bit would that be better than chlorinated obviously better than chlorinated water but they
59:24
or you can take pot bottle and fill it with lake water and freeze that you can freeze blocks of Lake water um you do
59:32
want to make sure that you don't turn it into uh you know where they have to spend all their time dodging these big projectiles that are up so you know can
59:41
strap strap it to something within or you know or yeah you just don't want
59:47
them to be abused by that those Live Well bags the individual fish bags that
59:52
you put in a live well they're all mesh you put it in one are they are they a good idea I'm just this is all coming
59:57
organically here yeah we've done a little bit of work on those and also looking at different you know ways of
1:00:03
marking individual fish for Cullen um we did not hold the fish longterm to assess
1:00:10
but my concern with the sort of zippered pouch approach is that that's a lot of
1:00:15
abrasion on those fish it's kind of like putting in a it's it's a nice net but
1:00:21
but keeping them for a long time which is going to slowly abraid you know
1:00:26
remove slime so uh I that I'm not a super big fan of I imagine that would
1:00:32
lead to latent fungal infections okay okay there's so many so many things that
1:00:38
I think uh we will in 10 years from now if we can have this conversation again
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10 years ago we have a lot of answers from 10 years ago right now right what I don't understand because clearly
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temperature plays a major role in our ability to successfully interact with
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fish and have our do our thing have our fun and and still be able to release them and and sustain and manage the
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populations of fish it through all of this in the last 40 years I am surprised that somebody has not manufactured a way
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of doing exactly that regulating the temperature in a live well uh call it
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refrigeration whatever whatever that technology is I'm surprised that these boats that are now selling for $150 to
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$200,000 a copy have not come up with the ultimate solution hey we've got an actual
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thermostat on your on the Live Well of these babies you can set that thermostat at whatever you want they have
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oxygenators and stuff they have oxygenators but but no temperature control which I think would be the most
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important and valuable commodity you could have on one of these boats you know I I totally agree I think the one
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thing we remember with all of this and I think the Jungle Juice example was one where you know a little a little bit's
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good a lot must be even better and then Ice uh with um uh uh so we ice we've got
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all additives that we can put in or added oxygen and all of those things in
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excess would be worse for fish so so you know if you're going to change
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temperature cool it a little bit if you're going to add oxygen just enough
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not a rolling boil uh because too much oxygen kills fish uh and if you're going to use as long as it's legal to do so
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follow the instructions that the manufacturers have you know there is a solution to all of those problems you
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know that right and it and it and not it might be something that's forced on us
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if we don't look into it ourselves and that is don't put fish in the Live Well
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that is that if you're fishing a tournament and if tournaments are they're a very important thing to have
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because that's how the industry grows and that's how we introduce younger generations to uh our sport but you know
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it's it's got to be a catch quick way get out put them back yeah that ml Style
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Style you know it's had an email this week I just answered an email yesterday a guy that was lives I think was in the
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redo system and he says there's people that have been catching our our large M for years and they take them down to
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Smith the Smith Falls or whatever like that they release them yeah they release
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them all that area and we never and the fishing has changed completely but but by because of that so there is effects I
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mean it has to be right a fish like a large mouth he's not he's not going to travel 20 mil to get back home St down
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thereally if it's better where you just dropped them off kidding me yeah you're Kidd no kidding so but no the answer is
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simple we know it we know it and it's going to be if if if it's not um done voluntarily I think at some
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point it might be forced upon us that that's the way forget live wells why why do you need a live well if you're going
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to keep fish for consumption well you know do them in and and put them in a box you don't need a my last Ting I
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could have called it a dead well cuz I didn't even put water in bump and I bumped them with the head and bled him and I put him in the box and I didn't
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even put water I says he's not going to I'm not I'm taking them home anyways no matter what right exactly so if we
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eliminate stocking of fish during competitive tournament situations we
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don't even need live wells anymore honestly because they seem to be the center of most of the problems that
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we're talking about as you even mentioned yourself Stephen the best thing to do when you catch fish is you know handle it as little as possible get
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your pitcher your hero shot because that seems to be God forbid that seems to be the thing get it but but release it
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right away and then you have no issues right it it certainly removes a number of opportunities for things to go badly
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so it removes a a Live Well mistake intentional or unint you know uh you
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know in you know I I thought more would be better but it's not or alternatively the batteries went out or I wasn't
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paying attention um and then of course at the end of the day you've got the Live Well the displacement so it certainly addresses
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some of the issues and we're starting to see some of the um uh the college level
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uh bass fishing clubs go this direction and so I actually think it'll be generational when it happens um there it
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sort of happened quickly and all sorts of you know organizations adap adopted it and then sort of pushed it to the
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side again there's of course a a marketing aspect to this um there's a
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technology aspect to it but all of this all the technolog is going to continue to evolve where you know you won't need
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a multi-billion dollar media Empire to have a functionally a live streamed you
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know multiple boats feeding into something where the viewing public and
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friends and family can can uh participate so remotely and cheer people
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on and so uh but it it'll it'll be a it it'll it'll happen uh in due course um
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or you know we've also seen hybrids where you keep your biggest fish that's another good one I like yeah yeah yeah
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yeah so you still have a way in or you only you know okay who are the which are the top 10 boats where things are
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looking good and you know and they'll weigh in you know a couple fish but everybody else you know if you're in
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last place and you've got a you know a an 11 ounce mouth you know is it you
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know is is weighing in super beneficial a great Point great point I mean you
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need three boats to we in on the last day for sure yeah beyond that it's
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irrelevant and you know what how you stop the any more people you know saying oh no but I had I could have well no you
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only have value in the top three spots in other words anything beond third no
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you had a great day you had a wonderful outing the weekend the weather was good camaraderie everything was B whatever
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you cut and you had a good time go home chalk it up the experience come back next time and and have at it the the the
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top three from from from the day before yeah they they've got something to weigh in but man that's that would eliminate a
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lot of problems right there it would yeah it really would it also addresses the congestion issue to some extent in
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instead of having a single launch and a single uh way site and there's been on
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big redo which is a water body around here where an occasion there's some conflict uh some of the tournaments have
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have attempted that where they've you know there'll be a marshall to check in with at three locations uh but it allow
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it spreads out the boats it makes parking easier uh boats aren't having to zoom and race to get to one location at
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one specific time so like there there's some safety crowding sort of you know
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keeping other water users happy benefits that can come from that too I never
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heard of that one that's not that's not a bad at least they're progressing that way once again I regress to the old days
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but uh we tried Shimano who were at the time they really wanted to help in this
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live release situation that we were badly managing back in the 70s '
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80s and 90s for that matter anyways they came along when with their Shimano live Release Boats and they had a really
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wonderful idea about the displacement issue because we were fishing on lakes where cottagers were complaining about
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their fish being take it away and never to be seen again through a lock
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system so so they came up with a way that they would uh ask the Anglers where
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they CAU their fish once you know once once the weighin was done they would they would keep those five fish or six
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whatever it was back then I don't recall they would keep them isolated and each angler would when they came off they
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would tell somebody uh behind the the scenes where they caught those fish the
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the idea there was that those fish then would go on a boat that was going to
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release fish in that area or that other Lake I think it was even in this case was an other Lake probably yeah so you
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know at the time I think well that's a wonderful idea and then we started hearing rumors that guys were lying guys
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were lying about where they caught the bit they didn't trust the scrutineer whoever was banging those they didn't
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trust them not to tell their buddy where they had caught the F so if they caught them on you know ball Lake they said
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yeah no they're all from Canal they went to so we it became a bigger issue because fish were inadvertently being
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displaced on purpose it was a mess you can't trust
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Anglers is all I got to say oh Stephen in closing Dean wrote a
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question down here and I'm going to read it out here does Dr Cook think temperature related closures are
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necessary for certain species yeah absolutely there's some
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species that are simply so sensitive that that that is the case uh and again our salmonids you know when we talk
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about you know Bol trout which are doing so so very poorly in in many parts of Alberta our Atlantic salmon on the the
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the West on the east coast and so on uh but uh you know I think what we need to
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do as Anglers is be cognizant and change our Behavior Uh as as needed so on those
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warm days uh get those fish back in the water quickly if the surface temperature is
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brutal uh you know get up earlier the next day and and and and hit the water
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then we don't want to be regulated right nobody wants more regulations right so
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if we can adopt good Embrace good behavior be stewards of our Waters then
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we sort of save ourselves from ourselves you know we save the fish and we save
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that that fishing opportunity and so I think you're going to see a lot more of that in the coming years really trying
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to push the importance of uh good behavior and uh you know M&R wants you
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know our our various natural resource management agencies want that too they don't want to have to put more
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regulations on if we can educate and nudge and have these sort of social
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movements towards better fish care and uh um you know that that saves them time
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and effort they can focus on the big issues you know the the mega poachers and not have to worry about whether or
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not uh uh you know we're we're holding the fish under water too long so right I
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think it' be a nightm it'd be a nightmare too we already have a lack of conservation officers to begin with a
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joke how are we going to police that unless unless of course we're our own stewards unless every you know I mean the the Whitby Harbor boys say somebody
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going out in the middle of the day hey buddy by the way it's illegal to go out but it'd be so hard to regulate you know
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what I mean so yeah interesting hope and you see it already in uh you know the um
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even though we don't necessarily have the data uh the folks that fish musky the guides that fish musky on the otwa
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river make tactical decisions based on what they think is best for the fish they're looking at water temps on a
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day-to-day basis they're deciding what part of the day they're going to fish uh
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and you know when it's so hot that it's not good for fish again the fishing ain't so good either so so and it's not
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necessarily Pleasant to be out there that's what I was going to say is
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for you either right right that's probably the best way to measure it if it's uncomfortable for you that you say
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my God this is too hot for me chances are you shouldn't be out there fishing because it's even worse for the fish
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yeah right it's a good way to measure it so hey one request next week can or next time we do this can we choose a topic
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right I don't have to bring a stuffy boy I thought you rather look good with
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him on your shoulder oh yeah that was good uh Dr Cook thank you very much for joining us once again uh we've taken
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more time than uh than we should but uh we don't do it often enough so that's why all of these questions are piling up
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but we really appreciate it the audience really appreciates it and have yourself a wonderful summer we don't talk to you
1:13:09
sooner appreciate you thanks so much all right Stephen Dr Stephen cook boy oh boy
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we could go on for I love talking to that guy he's said he's just so genuine on his aners you know his answers are
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are for real and if he doesn't know he'll tell you well you know what we're just studying that right now you know what I mean so so it's a it's a great
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information for Anglers that's those of you who may not be familiar with him or just tuning in for the first time on
1:13:31
this show he is a professor at Carlton University biology Professor uh he has
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published more than 700 peer reviewed papers that speaks volumes uh in itself
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he's a fellow of the Royal Canadian geographical society and Secretary of the College of the Royal Society of
1:13:50
Canada geez say you can say that again no you can't oh my God anyway we love him to death here on the show and he's
1:13:56
an angler he's an Avid Angler he loves going fishing which is really I think helps that whole cause that whole study
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you know what I mean so we've had a lot of scientific people on the program throughout the years I don't think
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there's one that is as Avid an angler as yeah you're probably right they all
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dabble with it I mean Gordy piser but he wasn't really biologist like Steve right
1:14:20
exactly anyways he'll argue that because I think he was a biologist by trade was he I think so okay may he was yeah
1:14:27
interesting yeah anyways um that are it folks we appreciate you joining us once again on uh anything we got to do to
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wrap up Dean have we got everything covered here yeah we got everything covered we got everything covered you mention the contest we got a bunch going
1:14:40
on we do have a bunch of going on we have a bunch of going on all the time and that is contests on fishing
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canada.com the Gateway the portal to your next fishing Adventure I just heard a a great one on the eating wild podcast
1:14:52
boys they got a $2,000 triager smoker BARC barue woo that sounds like a Dandy
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that's on now Dean or is it to come soon depending on when this episode comes out but it's probably still on keep keep an
1:15:04
eye fish Canada website bought one of those did you well you better enter Because I for for well I could enter I'm
1:15:11
can't ENT her now well we can cheat a little bit the reason I almost bought one I started looking into it about um
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you know propane versus coal versus wood versus all that and these pellet uh
1:15:24
things were I I didn't even know they existed and oh my God they are the cat's ass
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they are the cat's ass if you have a chance to win this thing I didn't realize it was 2,000 bucks cuz the ones
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I was looking at were like a th000 bucks but if you have a chance to uh win this thing for free uh I would highly fishing
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canada.com highly recommend that you go in and you can go in every day apparently it's every 24 hours you can
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put another ballot in the box or drum and then the eating wild podcast if you keep listening to the my podcast they're
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going to give you hints for an extra hundred uh entries every time you do it so uh it's worth it and who doesn't want
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to listen to the eating wild podcast good I just had it I just just listened to it at lunch time it was great great I
1:16:09
know so anyways that it on behalf of the entire team we have vvo who's nodding over there I don't know falling asleep
1:16:16
or agreeing with me uh we have uh new man in the in the the room today Orion
1:16:21
uh Nick he was honoring us with half a half a presence anyways he wasn't there
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you go and of course our lovely producer that's got to be there's something with that I have no idea what that is Taylor
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everybody uh he's Peter Bowman I'm Angel Viola thanks for joining us we'll catch you next time take care Windom one up
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