Thinking Like a Walleye | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 102

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[Music] and now another exciting episode in The Adventures of Outdoor Journal
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radio well hello there thank you for joining us once again Outdoor Journal radio the podcast uh I'm Angela B he is
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Peter Bowman howy uh the rest of the cash you know Nick oh Nick wow I'm used
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to seeing an empty chair there they always hear about Nick they don't and de
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uh I'm a little uh uh poopy today poopy yeah I'm a little I'm dragging I'm
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dragging today I uh got in at don't have enough holidays you didn't have enough of holiday holidays holidays man you
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guys with the holidays good God almighty um I had a just a horrific day
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yesterday we'll talk about it in a moment I flew I attempted to fly back from
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Orlando and uh got in uh and I was supposed to be home by 9:30 yesterday
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morning last night oh morning no yesterday morning 9:30 I had plans day
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yeah I arrived to my bed this morning at I got in bed at 3:45 got home at 3:00
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morning my and you guys are no strangers uh both uh Dean you and and Nick uh last year we
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were in Orlando ironically Orlando again and didn't we have something similar to that yeah we were 8 hours at least 8
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hours I was 16 yesterday oh my so there you go God 16 hours and I want to talk
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about that but get first let me just because I I do not I I don't understand how this happens
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today 2024 the year is 2024 I don't get it I do I don't I got to hear this I I
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can't wait to hear this so let's let's doig here first of all uh hopefully
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you're all enjoying the new season of the fishing Canada show on global television network and on Sportsman's
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Channel and on wfn and everywhere else that you consume the fish and Canon show
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uh hoping that you are enjoying the new episodes as much as we are I can tell
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you uh they are beauties finally I saw an EP comment from a dude from Edmonton
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finally new episodes he was happy just to see new stuff but didn't say how good
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they were he just said finally new episodes so well hopefully yeah hopefully he likes them we did our best
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we always do our best we always do our best folks sometimes it's maybe not the prettiest but it's it's pretty fishing
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Canada the store the winter sale is on I know that a lot of our winter Goods aren't even up yet but uh we will
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attempt to have all of our winter goods and put them we're going to put them directly on sale like we're not even
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we're not going to we're not even going to go and collect our $200 for going uh P yeah we're just going to go directly
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from the box to the sale yeah you're getting a lot of U our people our people
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uh our people are so busy our people are so busy busy that they can't put the stuff up so we're going to probably have
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all of our winter Goods going we'll have all of our winter Goods up hopefully by Spring and they will go directly on
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sale I'm predicting is there can you give me a little teaser as to what's like what's cool in the winter world oh
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we got we got all kinds of wonderful Tes we got all kinds of wonderful uh odor wear layered wear we got all kinds of
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bags we got like there's such wonderful winter Goods in uh in uh coming up but
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like say we'll probably have them up in the spring and they'll for the benefit to you because you'll be able to buy
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them on sale right from the GetGo Angelo is going to need the money he's going to say that's it I got to sell them below
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cost let's get this stuff out of here EXA exactly so it's a win-win for everybody except me that's
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right uh listener feedback Mr Bowman listener feedback from Damian Dunford at
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Damian Dunford sorry via YouTube uh is in response to our discussion on Zone 10 regulations so talk about those changes
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not that long about one or two podcasts ago Dean two shows ago now I think two shows ago yeah he says I.E it is now
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illegal to take pictures of big walleye since no fish over 18 in could be
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legally kept is what his first point was Yeah well yeah yeah I suppose he's right
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technically okay but first off it's not illegal to take pictures exactly that's
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the mistake that people are making folks but in order to take a picture you need to delay the releasee it's it's illegal
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to delay the release of any fish in this case over 18 in in any case of you know
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but it's six one a half a dozen another what you're saying is is true but and
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and what Damian is saying is true yeah based on the current laws if they haven't changed uh
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since we last looked at them they have not as we know as far as we know so it is illegal to take the fish out of its
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environment for a longer period of time than is required correct and correct
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requirement in this case would be taking a picture is it required for you to take a picture of that fish exactly I mean I
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see you posting these big fish all over place is it important that you do that depends if it's got a that's what he's
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saying a sponsored product in there somewhere you know something like that M
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money helps you might help us money us us us
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this be straight now now let me very quickly go into this is nothing stopping
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you from taking a picture of your buddy pulling that fish in doing his little
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stuff and releasing his fish you can get some good snaps doing that and their action shots that's not illegal at all
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right right because you're not delaying the release he's not delaying the release you're just taking pictures of your buddy catching and releasing a fish that's what you need to do but they
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would all all have to be like professionals and and and lightning fast like our very own baa oh no no an
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exception continually capturing those special moments because he he's he's ahead of the fish have you seen the
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phones nowadays these things are ridiculous the phone that's what everybody using there's hardly ever a DSLR in the boat anymore these guys are
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using phone guys and girls using phones and literally you push that button it's like oh my God and there's some pretty
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good pictures coming out of that stuff you can do it so you can do it you can do it all right so anyways and Daman
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goes on to say I want to start by saying I absolutely love you guys in the show I even watch you boys on TV way back in
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the day every weekend Angela we always love hearing that but I have to play double zapit on The Accidental illegal
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catch topic we as Anglers are out there for the most part for one reason and that's to catch the biggest fish of the
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species we are all out for so when you catch a monster fish purposefully or accidentally you want to be able to
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relive the memories again later in in time with a simple picture Catch and Release has come so far in the last
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decade as well as technology for taking photos that's what we just said we had all that Stu and if you guys are on the side of
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agreeing you shouldn't be taking pictures we I don't think we said that did we ever say that I think we said
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it's technically against the law we didn't say if we were in agreement or not of it because Angelo just said is it
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important for me to take a picture of the fish I like getting pictures of fish it's great right you know what are you
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laughing at you shouldn't you guys follow the same guidelines not as to add add these illegal fish to the cut on the
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show or filming um so so he's calling you a hypocrite is what the man's calling you he if he watched episode one
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this year you'd see exactly what we did in that show and exactly what you're supposed to do I would recommend you go
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to YouTube and look for fishing can what was that episode called Dean episode one it was called early season ESO early
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season ESO and that's right there is one of the things we did right there we did not put that musky in it was a week away less than a week away opening day and we
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said okay let's I remember correctly Jim jumped right in the water and
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facilitated afraid of Marl Marlon was is in the studio Jim was a little afraid
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saying Jim Jim is going to attack this so afraid of that fish he used long pliers as you can see he didn't even use
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the regular he say I'm staying away from that fish that was a great I watched that that was funny funny as you did
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that's what you sounded like Jim was going to release this fish I got to explain it I wanted to explain to people
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and the same with that small mou we caught in there I want to explain what you know what the the reality is we all get caught and things like that and you
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know what we've I know I've I'm not going to say Angelo I've done it where I've said you know oh my God this is a great fish and then you find out later
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wait a second that fish should have been immediately released I've done that I've been guilty of it too but we're trying our best not to do that anymore and show
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people the way we're doing it so we're not in in favor of not taking pictures here Daman let's let's get it right we
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are Anglers here you know what I mean we get it we know what it's all about we and we love that great big fish catch
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it's cool and you want to show somebody absolutely I get that you know what I mean we've I've got a Musky that I
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killed years and years and years ago in the' 70s it was a 48in Musky I got that mounted you know what I mean I do I
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regret it yeah I do kind of now but I learned that was the only big fish I got mounted out of that so you know we we
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get that you want to show these fish off so one of the reasons that we do it because because obviously that's the
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question that's being asked the reason that in episode one uh of this year's season we kept those fish in cuz we very
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easily could have just cut that out of the shop exact but we kept them in there so that we could start this dialogue so
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that we could explain to you what to do and what not to do very honestly it
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would have been easier for us just to cut that whole sequence with the musky out or the smallmouth bass yeah out
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absolutely but we felt it was important that we talk to you about that making a point right yeah it's a big it's a big
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issue right now it's a huge issue right now so that's why they're in there I like the way V's got us lit there he's
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got you nice and bright and me I'm almost like you're always the you know me I know I know lean into there you go
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there you go how do there you go lean into it Radio podcast move your mic for lean
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into it get in there there you go how you doing that's what I'm talking about I like it better when I'm back in well
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cuz then you're in the shadows in the shadows you're in the shadows what's that movie that TV
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show the vampires something what we do in the shadows what we do in the shadows
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it's good wow it's pretty good I like that one yeah you go um all right do you want
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to read Fox fishing's response to Damian sure sure Fox fishing uh 4K in response
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to to Damian uh who just sent that who sent that lovely comment uh he's saying
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I think it is good that they show catches that happen even when the species was not targeted and are out of
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season so basically what I just I didn't even know we I didn't even know we had a fox I'm I am that every bit of that I'll
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show show you in a couple of minutes how claro I am um that happened when the species
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were not out of season uh uh that's something that will happen to all of us as Anglers at one point or another the
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proper treatment and immediate release should be shown and explained to the public uh cutting those catches out
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altogether removes the possibility of learning well and that was very well put
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Fox fishing 4K appreciate that thank you for that but a lot of times you'll see things in the fishing cash you wonder
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how come it was there by by Design not by accident we put them in there uh as
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an opportunity and that's what that was so thank you for both for everybody that comments now can I can I tell you about
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my day yesterday I am waiting I am first of all I want to open this shirt up
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because what and I believe that this shirt uh is going to be if not already
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on the uh store site for saleing by the way by the way I got to tell you
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something I brought these down with me last week I went to uh meum uh car auction in
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cimi and um my good buddy Steve NWI
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co-host of the fishing Canada show and host of uh what's he host of he's doing a pod Doo that's it I keep for he hates
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that he hates it with a passion Diaries of a lodge order podcast on the Outdoor
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Journal radio network and I got to tell you he does such a great job but I had an opportunity to spend several days
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with him this week down in uh in CMI and him and I wore these around at the
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auction at the auction I got to tell you they were a huge hit they it a huge hit
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we met more people because of this shirt oh that's that's fantastic so anyways one guy said the only problem I I don't
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like about he says you don't have it on the back he should have it front and back he's probably right for showing it
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off you're you're right yeah that was the fun part I got to tell you about the part and that's why I wanted to
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open this up and uh let you see this because it is a bunch of what happened to me yesterday should not happen to anybody but unfortunately from
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uh all accounts uh the people I spoke to it happens on a very frequent and
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increasingly more frequent basis now uh I'm talking about not necessarily just
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an international flight my first pet peeve is this how can you run and I don't care if
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the business is in Airlines or whether it's used tires or whether you sell condoms I don't really give a I
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just want to know how can you run a business where you promise your customer something you take the money and then as
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soon as you have the money you reneg on your promise and then say hey he he hey
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hey H did you read the fine print did you
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read the fine print well if you had to read the fine print you'll see that I'm responsible for
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zero zero I don't need to give you anything once I get your money I'm good
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to go that's how the airlines conduct business nowadays is there a name a
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particular Thro or is it just everybody in general you want to do well okay first of all I I wanted to before we go
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much deeper into this last year uh Nick and Dean correct me if I'm wrong we had
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a very similar experience that I had yesterday uh coming from ironically from
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Orlando we were at the icast show and were we not I don't know six s hours 8
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hours delayed oh yeah yeah I think our flight was supposed to be at like 8: a.m. or something yeah and then we got we got
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delay the night before till like 2:00 then another one to to later right and
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that's the point I wanted to make so this this this is not new I I've probably on this very podcast bitched
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and complained about Air Canada because they can't seem to get it
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right at all well this is not Air Canada yet Air Canada comes into this story a little later on right now right right
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now it's WestJet who seems to in the last two years uh they are Air Canada
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light really yeah wow yesterday they weren't light they were full on Air
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Canada so let me tell you what happened and maybe you can maybe you can critique me baby maybe I'm wrong no cuz I already
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we've had enough experiences together flying too that we're not real happy with everything so I'm supposed to leave at 7:00
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a.m. at the Orlando Airport my flight's at 7:00 a.m. you're up nice and early obviously I need to be there 3 hours in
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advance yep I got that whole deal going on so I'm ready to go to bed at 4:00 on
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uh Saturday Saturday evening right bags are packed yeah 4:00 a.m. we're out of here
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yeah so I'm ready duck hunting time like get people get up that early as duck Hunters right so as you guys remember we
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got a late night uh notice from WestJet last year saying oops your flight's been
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delayed it's now going to leave I don't remember the times but you know instead of 9:00 it's not going to leave at 11:00
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or something like that Sue St Marie with you and I this year Sue St Marie say we spent the whole day in the Sue
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exactly at the airport and if you know the Sue St Marie airport it's I God bless you folks at Sue St Marie but
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ain't know exactly a wonderful airport that I want to spend time in we spent the whole day there
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anyways so at about 3:00 that Saturday this past Saturday
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I'm thinking boy it's weird we have no notification from WestJet about our flight nor they'll say
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hey your flight's on schle more often not hey your flight's canell or whatever
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I got no so I called the Countess my lovely wife the Countess and said hey I haven't gotten anything from West Jet oh
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she yeah yeah no they just sent me one uh I I'll send it off to you and as
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she's doing it she oh oh your flight's been delayed to 10:30 I said there's a surprise all
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right send it to me so I get it and i' open it up up and you know had you left the hotel yet or no are you still no I'm
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still this is Saturday oh this the this Saturday Saturday remember I said I was going to go to bed 4:00 Saturday
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afternoon so I get up Sunday morning well we're Steve and I are getting ready and we're I and so anyway so I look at
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this thing and it says you know important flight information for your flight tomorrow yeah and you scroll first thing
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is flights delayed 10:30 gotcha gotcha now you get
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some sleeping time I didn't read it any further than that cuz I'm very familiar with the process been delayed a million
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times so I just put it away Stevie get this did Stevie get the same no no just went to Monique who who actually did the
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booking she forwarded to me so we're saying yes now we can jam tonight we in
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the jam exact so we you know you brought guitars down we I'll tell you that story
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in a minute too no we didn't bring him down but anyways so um so we did had a
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wonderful evening and uh went to bed and prepared for a 10:30
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flight so we're at the airport at so here's the other problem I found out
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that don't go beyond the 3 hours of your flight time don't go beyond two hours of
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your flight time when you go to Orlando because their booths don't open up like the WestJet Booth right didn't open up
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till 2 hours before I remember that year remember that we were lined up you were you guys were sitting on the floor same
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deal yeah yeah yeah we got there early crowds all there all lined up and then and in fact I even made a joke I I said
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oh wow that there's the uh because it was like the the band coming on stage right the the the ticket kiosk WestJet
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people one guy came in first early and he set up all of the computers for I
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said that's the guy who's tun the guitar yeah and he's tuning them all up and I said hang on hang on here they come
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there's going to the band's going to run sure as hell the band rolls in and everybody takes their position yeah oh
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Bob dazzer up looking good anyways so we get to uh the the window and I said you
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know gave him all the documentation we're here to go I know I didn't even say anything I just said gave him you
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know good morning how are you going to Toronto yep okay good he looks at this and he says where
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did uh where did you get the flight information flight where where did I get
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it's a WestJet flight and and you guys sent me the notice that I was supposed to be on the 7:00 flight this morning
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but you guys said it was cancelled and uh and delayed and moved to
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10:30 no that didn't happen you mean it didn't happen so you're West so I get my
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stuff out I said look is that you yeah he said let me look at that wow I have
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no idea where that came from cuz the 7:00 flight in fact you're
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up here on the screen now you guys were absent from the seven there two of you right yeah you were absent they flew
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that flight flew yeah okay so what's your pissed off so
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what's going on I don't know he say I'm going to look into it that's I don't even know where
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that Holy ma the guys all flustered nice guy nice guy threw that one into him
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Jamar was his name wonderful young man he says just yeah let me let me work on this and he's working and I got to call
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head office so he called he's on he's got's he's got his little earpiece in he's calling at office and
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and uh they put him on hold well you not hold but you know recording says uh if
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you're looking for this you're and now he's on hold and Guy now he puts it on the speaker so we could hear that
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legitimately he's trying and we hear the music you know us and I'm talking to Jamar I says so what what do you make of
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this man like this is crazy I said at very least this is he says yeah he says the problem is we don't have a
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10:30 flight he is the the only flight the next flight we've got is 11 11:15
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and it's oversold I can't even get you guys on that I said well give me somebody I can
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talk to he said there's nobody here to talk to other than me I said no but I mean like somebody has to be here in
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charge because they've got you on hold out of Calgary cuz he was calling
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Calgary somebody here has to be able to tell me what I'm going to do because right now I have no idea what there's
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nobody here and he and him and I debated that comment he went finally went and
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got a colleag just to come over and and say there's nobody here so what happens is that these people at the gate in
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Orlando don't actually work for WestJet they're a third party that runs the
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their their computers yeah holy crap so he's legitimately he's got no say in this at all even if he'd like to he's
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got really nothing he can't make any decisions cuz I said I want another fight check any other Airline there's
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got to be other airlines going out of here today that you can book me on because of this colossal
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error so you didn't say error did you it's colossal error and meanwhile they
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are so backed up here cuz I'm and he said at one point he says listen he says we're you see you hear him I'm I'm I'm
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on hold can let's just uh let me get these other passengers I said
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no I said no I'm not going to do that was there any other there any other
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uh people working was there a couple lines or had six all you just got one
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okay anyways bottom line is I said no I'm going to stand here until I get some
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CU right now I don't even know what I'm doing am I staying overnight are you going to book a hotel for me I just
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checked out I got no place to go I was I was losing my mind oh I could
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see I was my mind I've seen you lose your mind a little bit before I think he was nice he was nice couldn't even like get mad at him cuz he did everything he
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could yeah finally Steve and I deliberated over it and we said you know what this is just a waste of time a
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total waste of time let's we'll deal with this at a later date let's see
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about getting on another flight right so we I called home and many he
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started working on getting me on another flight so anyway she finds a flight from
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Porter and the flight was for 11:15 and it's now 10:00 and you guys
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are parked at the big boy the big uh the International Airport yeah the international airport so now that's all
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new down there now so now they've got uh Terminal A B and C A and B are in the
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old building but C is like I think it's in Disneyland because you got to take a
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train you got to take a first of all you have to walk out of the main airport which is all under construction and you
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have to walk about I'm not exaggerating about a mile to the train then you have
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to wait for a train you get on the train and then it's a 20 minute train ride to the new station and then because that
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station that that uh Terminal C is under construction you have to then with your luggage keep in mind you got your
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luggage here with you too okay you have to drag that through a parking lot which which is under construction around to
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the back and up a bunch of stairs to get to anyway she's a a 40-minute ordeal
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door too okay all right so I've got I
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apparently I've got a flight waiting for me over there uh from uh porter porter so we run cuz we know we're
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cutting it close so we literally run with our luggage through this whole mess and we get there and there's nobody
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there there's nobody it's all shut down Porter is like shut down there's nobody there
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okay and we're say hell you is there anybody here
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anyways my God so to make a long story short we got back on the phone with uh
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manque and um told her there's nobody there she said okay all right all right all right all right okay I'll get let me
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see what else I can do I'll get right back to you so we wait around meanwhile the flight that 11:15 we could see it it
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taxes either way and left right the the one that you're supposed to be on next okay so we get a call from n okay all
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right I got you I managed to get the last two seats on uh a flight um with
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Air Canada I said oh god seriously yep yeah no they got it's but it's a 900 p.m
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flight I said oh I don't want to be here
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anyways go back on the trip walk through the mud up the stairs back to the other
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place sweating like dogs by now and uh we get to the uh Air Canada um area lots
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of people there lots of people working there first thing we noticed was flight 8241 to Toronto has been delayed to
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11:00 p.m. no 11:35 p.m. I thought I was gonna die oh my God
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so I get back on the phone to manique and okay she what you got to get another
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flight so bottom line is she finds another Porter flight right for
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4:30 in the afternoon and it's now like 2:15 okay
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and we take a chance we go all the way back to terminal sea where we just came
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from oh my God anyways oh my god there was there people at the porter site then
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was there there was people at the porter site and we booked it and we waited as
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I'm waiting now I have to phone Air Canada to see about refunding MH like
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keep in mind I got three trips paid for now for two guys yeah so I'm on the phone with uh uh to see about well it
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seems like Air Canada doesn't do refunds nor do they do credits oh so this is
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what I'm being told on the phone of course I lost my mind a little bit Peter with that person on the phone
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yeah and I I may have been borderline
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insane may have been borderline insane anyways we finally get to the bottom of
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it the poor women didn't realize that this was due to a
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um uh rescheduling of a flight the one I had bought at 9:00 was rescheduled to
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11:30 and in fact yeah then we did qualify for credit but I was on the
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phone with her over an hour oh my waiting for my Porter
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flight get it all done Porter's got some problems now with this
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flight it's going to be delayed a little bit getting off the tarmac because they have problems with the incoming
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flight we finally pull off and and it's a it's not a direct flight it goes to
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Ottawa and then from Ottawa to Toronto by the time we left Orlando it
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was after 900 p.m. we finally got on a
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plane went to Orlando or to Ottawa and when we get to Ottawa uhoh
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we're told that there's a delay with your Toronto connection but before we before we found
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that out we were on the tarmac um on the tarmac waiting to you
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know for the plane to unload but we couldn't because there was a problem with the
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ground crew they were busy with somebody else apparently nobody told them that they had a flight coming in this evening
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and so we waited for 45 minutes I'll tell you what you think I was pissed off you should have heard the captain of the
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plane when he has you know he's got to apologize to all of us every 15 minutes right so you guys are sitting on the
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plane still we're in the plane oh my God and and he's saying this he said this is absolutely ridic ridiculous folks I'm
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totally embarrassed on behalf of WestJet I would just like meanwhile I'm thinking you guys aren't much better than the
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ground crew so don't go giveing yourself a Pat in the back okay but anyways yeah the crown ground crew was not available
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for 45 minutes they finally came we unloaded the plane we get in now we're worried about our connection cuz we had
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a we had a 2hour uh in in the meantime right so we're saying connection oh don't worry uh that plane has it's
30:24
you're going to be at least two hours more because it's coming in from Fort Lauderdale and they had a problem with
30:30
the Machinery or something so we're sitting there and at
30:35
this point you can't even like it's beyond ridiculous it's beyond ridiculous
30:41
so then they announced folks I hope you don't mind uh the plane is now in uh we're going to deplane and uh have it
30:48
all cleaned up for you ready to go uh but I hope you don't mind we're going to delay it uh another 45 minutes because
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we're waiting for another plane that's coming in uh from God knows where so and they
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they're connecting to Toronto as well so we thought you would mind if we just you know hung in here and waited for
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them did you tap out by then did you just say I out and and to just to make
31:13
matters even worse my very favorite shirt Dean you know my gray plaid I travel with it all the time it got lost
31:22
how did you just lose one shirt in all of this because I had it I was carrying it with me to put of my t-shirt so I had
31:29
it you know on my briefcase on the suit like I had it with me in my hand and all but in this whole mess I lost my one and
31:36
favorite shirt gone so I want to sum it all up by saying I have no idea what's
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going on out there but if you are traveling nowadays um God be with you because and and
31:51
speaking to all the other people that I was traveling with they're all having similar days and similar experiences and
31:56
nobody is accountable anymore there is no accountability in the airline business they can just do whatever they
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want for whatever reason they want isn't that crazy and that's and you got no recourse you and oh hang on the best oh
32:11
but wait there's more in Ottawa when we finally de planed and I'm wondering you know we going to make the next flight
32:16
and then I find out well it's going to be late anyways but our luggage isn't showing up so I went over to a guy and
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I'm just beside myself I I got to get he said say Sir
32:29
Sir if you don't lower your voice I won't even speak to you he says I have
32:34
had a terrible day today I've been up since 9:00 and it's not a good day for me
32:41
either so either calm down or I'm just going to walk away this was a
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WestJet employee what are you going to
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do I I just don't know what else to say about it totally disgusted with the whole Airline system end of story and if
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you're a dude walking around a gray plaid shirt on either on Florida you better watch your ass cuz if he finds
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out he's going to kill you my favorite of all time had that shirt forever oh my God it's an over shirt gray black plaid
33:15
it's wonderful if you stole it from me I hope you
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die anyways I will not be traveling for a while I got to tell you now I had
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travel plans in my immediate future uh they will not be executed I just could
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not take that again W no kidding I couldn't it's traumatic sorry about that but I had to
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get it off my chest so one final there a bunch of that's correct the
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shirts by the way are available on uh the fishing Canada store site uh I
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believe I'm hoping they're up and there's uh all kinds of they better goodies don't expect the winter goodies
33:58
there they'll be coming in the spring so but this is there it's kind of a winter scene there right this is there uh this
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week's fan question sorry to bother you with my own personal little trivial little events but I just had to unload
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that and by the way I want to name all three Airlines again WestJet sucks Air Canada sucks and now Porter sucks not
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just for that experience but you and I experienced them in Sue St Marie where
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we lost an entire day like where is the part where I can charge you for my day
34:31
where is the part where there's some value to doing this to me like I don't
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know there's got to be a lawyer out there somewhere who takes on cases like this lawyer a lot of lawyers that love
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to listen to you right now no but take on the case where where there are you know some certainly not necessarily
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punitive damage well maybe they are punitive I mean you know it's you ruin
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my health mhm yesterday so I should be able other poor guy that got up at 9:00
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a.m. you ruined his health because of the residual effects right and you lost my shirt my shirt was worth hundreds of
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thousands of dollars to me I'd say if a lawyer wants to do a little pro bono work you got a Angelo is your man right
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here I got it all documented by the way I couldn't follow it all to the tea but I have it all documented everything was
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documented so now I'm out three flights just so you know I'm out three flights a shirt and and my my traumatic my stress
35:29
level is beyond belief and I lost a whole day and I didn't get any sleep and
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I'm a mess so lawyer give me a call you and I I think we got something cooking
35:40
here all right uh I can't wait to see that case that'll be the best fan
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question as submitted by Josh Baston from British Columbia via email nice
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Josh says hey guys I'm wondering what the be minimum fish finder to use for
35:58
ice fishing in terms of feature features and Clarity well that's pretty easy uh I
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think he says bare minimum what does that mean explain that to me I'm wondering it's
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either for ice fishing yeah I mean how many scre you well I'm going to assume
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cost is a huge one right I would think he doesn't say that but he says in features and
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Clarity they all pretty much have the same features it's just a matter of screen sizes Etc right and then the
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costs go up well the maps versus no Maps I guess that's pretty important for ice fishing right well unless you have it on
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like the Navionics app but you need something but is he talking uh like is he talking like a panoptics kind of a
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deal here a live scope kind of a deal here I think he how do you get started in it I we brought one we just happen to
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have one in stock right here beside us well look at you this wow this would be the bare minimum right here that's a
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striker 4 garment kit ice kit and do you know you have do you have something there for it don't you have the I have
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that one the price tag right there that's at radio world right now so 290
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bucks gets you an entire kit this will do anything you need to do on you're ice
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fishing I mean it's got a flasher screen it's got a GPS on it so you can it doesn't have the maps it has GPS so you
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can Mark way points etc etc and it's got all the other screens traditional screen etc etc etc so something like this the
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problem with this the only problem with this is this a small screen right it's got a tiny little I also see the lack of
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GPS is a problem lack of mapping or mapping yes but he wants the bare minimum right if he wants the bare
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minimum with mapping you're going to be into about 5 to 600 bucks okay then you're going to go to a 5 in screen or
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the 7 in screen or something like that but um this you know and basically this all these ice Fisher units like that
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they have a transducer that you drop down this is variable and this is a float so it doesn't sink down though you
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drop that down the hole you fish right beside it when you get a fish you pull it out you set it down you catch your fish and then you put it back in and do
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some more fishing guys are like in my absence you guys did some some work here it's like The Shopping Network now I
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like that out fish. Canada fish canada.com love this I'm really impressed so you guys did put in some
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work last week hell yeah buddy yeah while you were going through all your frustrated life we uh you know we want
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to keep our sponsors happy but it's yeah I mean a flasher the Flasher unit versus
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see this is a traditional scale air that they have that picture of but they do have the amplitude scale on the side there's a little line I don't if you can
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see that close enough that amplitude is really time the other side is the traditional which is that's on the right side on the screen now yeah right there
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so that's real time that's what you're really watching that's a fish but it's in the past sort of thing it's been guys so don't know where that fish is now
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here is there's no fish underneath there so uh you either that side of that you look at the amplitude scale or you look
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at a flasher and you want to see real time because you want to see right below when a fish comes in you can move your bait you'll see your bait come in and
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then you work from there so really all of this information here is really of no use to anybody it's a nice picture it's
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it's nice to yeah yeah you're seeing what your jig did you're seeing that fish that's gone from somewhere else so
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it's kind of you know and that's the the beauty of real time so exactly um
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exactly which which would be the ultimate if this if this is the the the minimum the minimum the ultimate would
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there's the ultimate right there look at the price tag of that that's your ultim $6,350 so that's that's a GPS map unit
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oh actually that's that's an echo map it's an echo yeah see it says GPS map yeah that's the wrong picture there
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folks so I don't know so I'll take back what I said about you guys working hard all of this you got to give Jack the I
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blew up the image and changed it so de did so that will be a unit better than
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that unit even a 10in uh GPS map unit
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which is different but did you take that picture dean of the ice hut did I did I send you that did you actually in the
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background of our last thumbnail this one except I changed it to our TV show
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that's okay so those TV screens in this that's an ice hut right there folks with that Fish Finder right there you can
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actually watch that fish finder screen on both those big TV screens and he's watching the fishing Canada show too
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well there you go if he had a satellite he could watch fishing cannon on one and he can watch his Liv scope image on another wow see i' look good in that
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shot Dam good yes all of it takes somebody spend 6,000 bucks and they can watch you in that Hut they got that
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whole everything the Hut included you might want to add a little flavoring to that price tag on that one anyways Josh
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it's like uh 300 less than 300 bucks right so can get you into the game of ice fishing Josh probably is it Josh
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somebody I believe so yeah Jos Josh BC must be a northern BC right CU I don't know lot Baston you know what that means
40:45
he's obviously Italian see see see it's Kane Kane Baston wow Josh Baston is Josh
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Kane there you go pretty cool quite chain cane UNC from British Columbia nice to have you folks absolutely thanks
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for the question Josh there you go buddy good luck in northern BC cuz I don't think they have ice fishing in southern
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do they in uh yeah they do in like yeah not like on the coast but in the
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all right let's bring him on uh last time he was on the program we uh why we had a wonderful conversation did open up
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a few little we're still talking about a lot of that stuff to this day you know what I mean that was a long time ago so
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uh his name is Paul radomsky and he is an author of an incredible uh book that
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uh that has been put up but he's a Fisheries biologist uh Minnesota uh DNR uh has been with them for 35 years and
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uh fascinating gentleman expert in my opinion on walleye even though I might debate some of it with you Paul but
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that's okay that's okay welcome to the show yeah and Dean will have to cut out the fact of who I'm working for because
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I cannot still I can neither confirmed or deny who I'm actually working for all
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right we'll we'll keep it at that then okay well said well said uh anyway do
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you want to kick us off well Paul was uh if I don't know if anybody remembers if you if you've been following us uh
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episode 56 of the Outdoor Journal Radio podcast where Paul come on and believe it or not Paul you probably don't even
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know this yet it was our best performing episode of 2023 congratulations thank you very much for your fantastic
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information so well I think it was from you guys you did most of the engaging
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thinking going on on that episode so I had a great conversation was I learned as much as I I gave I'm sure well we're
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more of the bsers and you're more of the fact kind of guys okay that's all I can say about that one uh yeah we talked
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about Wiley biology Management Open more in the Open Water stuff if anybody I I really recommend that people go back and
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listen to that episode because it's very very uh one thing before we leave that subject because today we want to spend a
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little bit more time maybe on on um ice and and how Walley affected by that but
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getting back to what we spoke about last time and and really not I don't think we came up to any conclusions but we
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certainly came up with a few more theories and that is that at any given time on any body of water uh walleye can
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be found pretty much in all of the depths from shallow to deep and in fact we now believe that at any given moment
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on any given body of water there are walleye that will be out Roaming In in
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schools perhaps in open water and there will be walline traditional you know 12T
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little ridges and rock outcroppings and points and you know that kind of thing uh at the same time on the same Lake
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during the same conditions so it's not they're not certainly not onedimensional that's for sure no and that goes for a
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lot of different species right I mean you get different um different behaviors
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different traits of for certain certain fish so um and it's not it's very
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similar to humans very similar to Deer you know there's there's always a component that maybe wanders more um
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uses the Open Water more and there's a subpopulation that you know follows
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traditional what we consider traditional Behavior right um and I I think do a lot
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more um acoustic tagging I think they'll get a better handle on on that variety
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of behavior that's that's actually occurring right so you may be right and uh as we acquire more of these you know
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daytoday hour to hour minute to minute kind of behaviors by looking at what the
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fish are doing yeah that could that could very well Paul is it is it not mostly though based on the food source
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the Walley food source as to where they're going to be even if they are in Open Water they are in points they are that they're as long as they're close to
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food for the most most part yeah yeah of course I mean you know
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ecologists will call it the U optimal foraging Theory right that a is going to
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ex try to get maximize its Returns on its effort right right right so it's
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going to seek to catch prey to minimize the energy expended to catch that prey
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right so I mean that's the fish he's gonna and we do the same thing hunting right or fishing yep I'm gonna I'm going
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to go find the best spot yeah I'm G to sit on this location at this time because I think I'm going to have a good
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chance of catching a fish or you knowy whatever the honey hole right we're all looking for the honey hole right we
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don't want to run around and waste gas and time and effort you just want to sit on top of them and grab which then which
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then leads me to believe that maybe the high percentage areas for Walley Anglers
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maybe would be to seek out those big schools of bait in Open Water because I
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would assume if what you just said is correct and I believe it to be correct that those walleye would not be far from
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that school all day and and all night long because they know that when that moment comes that they need to fuel up
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it's very little energy used cuz the school's right there it's very visible they go in pluck off one or two and then
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slowly drop down below the school again right yeah yeah let's think about um the
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optimal forage theory in the context of thinking like a wall right so I'm a
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wallet I've got some pretty good strengths I'm I'm mobile I can do fast
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turns compared to say a northern pike that's really good at Ambush Straight Ahead kind of stuff uh I've got an eye adaption you
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know back of the eye reflector in low light conditions I've got the advantage
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yeah with my prey my prey like Cisco that may be in the Open Water Area they
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don't have that perch they don't have that so but I got weaknesses right I'm
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nearsighted um I've got great side Vision but as I get close to prey I lose
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my binocular vision right and I can't move fast I can't come up on prey very
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quick because I had a um a gas bladder that's that's regulated by my
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circulatory system so it's a slow system not like trout that has a duck between its air a g gas bladder and its stomach
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that can burp the gas so I got some I got some restrictions
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shortcomings but I've got some really good strengths and I'm going to as a wall I'm going to take advantage of my
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strengths so if I'm open water I'm going to probably start forging under low
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light conditions because I got a better chance to getting close to Cisco maybe
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or a school of perch or a school of minnow and I'm going to use that to my advantage right so probably why we don't
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catch a lot of or probably why we catch most of our walleye at lowl light
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conditions right not to say that they're not out there in Open Water just you
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know constantly searching um they're pretty efficient
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being fairly slowly looking around for stuff but again they're going to want to maximize their catch rates and uh to do
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that they're going to seek to to focus in on their advantages that they have in that
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environment yeah yeah you said you said a couple things you said they have poor eyesight in general are are they what's
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the range of a walley's eyesight are they do they have worse eyesight than a pike a Musky a bass or kind is there a
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comparison that way that's a great question I I haven't really thought about it from that perspective but I
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know they you know they're they're a little bit nearsighted right so they can't see very far and in the water
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environment especially if it's a a turbid um or deep they may not have you
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know great distances you could see if you're scuba diving you go oh my God I can't see very far right um so something
49:57
something else you said and I don't want to I don't want it to sound like I'm argumentative here and I'm surprised
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Pete didn't pick up on it but you said something one more thing but it's okay Pete said or you said that they were slow
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moving right I believe Paul well if they're just cruising right
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you know if they're just in a school and they're cruising along um you know a break or something but if they're
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they'll often just swim at a at a fairly slow speed but they've got a tremendous
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ability to burst very quick speed okay I was going to say because you can see that when you're in the water and go oh
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my God look at that it just took off they're lightning vast we had a huge aquarium with h with Walley and other
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Predator fish in it and at feeding time I'm telling you there were few fish in that tank that could outpace a walleye
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when it was hungry cuz it's explosive the only way I can describe it it was a it was explosive it was instant yeah and
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like says the the Turning abil go on on YouTube or somewhere and watch a penguin
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the way they swim underwater that's what a wall they're so yeah they agility and speed and all that kind that's what a
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walleye is under the water when they want to but but as Paul said I think and you know what it goes back to the when
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they're following bait and and they're holding all their energy until they absolutely need to feed well usually the
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bait balls that we see on our fish fighers they're usually at rest as a as a rule too they're very slow slow slow
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the Walley are very there's no reason Tove fast until they need to feed boom then everybody moves fast and then they go back to slow down again right so
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they're they're opportunist um Paul but you said another one about the bladder control so not unlike a troat and
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absolutely we get that but does a Walley have enough brain power to say okay I'm
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in 35 to 40t of water right now if I go up to 12T to hit that bait I could be in
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trouble and come back down like will they just not do it do you think or do they have that kind of control I mean
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the pressure internal pressure is going to they're going to sense and go oh my God I'm pushing it too far right right
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they've got an instinct to that it's going okay how far can I push it okay um you know based on where their starting
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depth is right right right right okay and what about a fast Burst if they boom
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straight up that 20 feet and then back down to 40 you know what I mean with that yeah they might be able to pull
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that off right as long as they come back down fairly quickly if it's just a a quick rapid ascent and and then descent
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that's probably not going to affect them as much right how much pain tolerance do you have right okay and we talked about
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that on a previous podcast about you know catching fish deep or what what could be perceived as deep water versus
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shallow water fish and the time that uh that you muck around with them before they go back in yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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all right uh the most controversial thing that you talked about last time on the show and we'll talk about it again
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now um was the retention of oversized fish oversized
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in the sense of 18 in and above do you recall that little
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conversation that we had um I was probably talking about
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um probably talking about how there's been certain certain Trends in in
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fisheries management right for Walley for example when I started the business
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um it was all well we should have minimum sizes we should protect the small fish and then we realized well we're
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hitting some of these Fisheries pretty hard the the number of spawners was you
53:30
know getting close to a a concern point and we started talking about hey you
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need to have a certain number of spawners in the population to sustain The Fishery and I think I think right
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now we're in this period of oh we got we got to release the big fish um we gotta release those big
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fishes the females have eggs and I'm well one one if we we're taking our mammal
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approach to fish right A W female is going to spawn
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10 10 to 100,000 eggs you know in the spring and if every one of those eggs
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for the population survive you're going to have no water available you know when they and sure
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it's it's just we can't take that oh that deer mammal kind of philosophy how
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we're thinking about management and apply it to fist where their whole reproductive strategy of w is to bomb
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the shore bomb the riv River riffles with with eggs and hope maybe you half
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of 1% Will Survive to um to hatch and
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and and recruit into the fishery so I might have been starting there but at the same time I was talking about um or
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it might have been talking about of the fact that people believe as the number of female or large Walley increase the
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number of um small Walley will will be available right it's a linear thing if I
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got more females large F small fish coming up so why doesn't that make any
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sense I me why are we thinking linearly like that right do you have a clue none
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no all right Dean Dean's cheating Dean was cheating I have no clue
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either well well okay it's an ecosystem there's always limits right I can't go
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on infinitely straight up I'm going to hit a a threshold a carrying capacity of
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Wes so that can't be linear has to curve and for Wy once you get a certain number
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of females or certain number of large Walley it actually declines so the
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number of fish young fish that are going to go into the fishery is declining with
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that large population of large fish and that's because of what Paul two things
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one is that you got this large population they're competing against the small fish that they're producing so
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there's less forage for them right and second those large walleye are going to
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consume young Walley because they're just prey right so that's called cannibalism right so those two factors
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mean um that if you have this large abundance of of large fish in the
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population you're going to see less reproduction and recruitment of small fish and and that's called it was
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discovered by a Canadian oh how it was yeah it was Dr Dr Bill
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Ricker he's the most famous fishery scientist in the world he's dead now but
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you you guys should celebrate his his uh life by having a holiday in
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Canada I hear you buddy got a spring a spring day right so that
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kids would go out fishing no school today hey it's biller day I love it I
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love it so let me let me let me let me let me just ask this question of you
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Paul if I have a wonderful walleye lake
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and I manage it it's mine I'm going to manage it and I've been blessed with the
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opportunity to manage a lake that has not just walleye but for some reason Genetically speaking it's a bigger
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stronger it came from a bigger stronger genan pool because the fish grow faster they they are just bigger at Birth if
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you will okay and I got to manage this this Lake and I wanted turn it into a
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trophy Lake where people can come and get their personal best walleye each and
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every time they come out so would I be wise to have a no
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retention policy on that Lake zero retention policy on that lake or based
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on what I just heard you say should I put a you know marginal retention of
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Walley say under 24 in and have at it for the 24 and
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up which would be best you know this is you know this is you see the challenges
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at fish manager space all the time right so from from your description of that
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fishery I go hey that sounds like a place that can grow some outstanding Walley I might just have a total catch
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and release on it I'm going to foro some of the Harvest because hey these large f are going to suppress the population
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right but I'm going to save this fish and this is going to be one fishery that people will go to in the hopes that
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they're going to catch you know an eight or 10 or 12 pound W right that's cool and you got plenty of lakes in the area
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probably hey I might manage another Lake where I'm going to fish it pretty hard I'm going to try to get as much Surplus
59:14
production out of that fishery as possible that means I might allow a lot of harvest of big fish but I'm still
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going to manage to such I don't deplete the number of large fish so that I worry about the fact that I might not have
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enough spawners to actually maintain that population okay but then you get the best of both worlds and as a
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fisherman or an angler I can say pday I'm going to go to this great lake that
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you just described yeah and I'll have a chance to catch you know maybe a lifetime fish you know something really
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outstanding and that's cool and then other days hey I'm I'm trying to get some fish for the grandkids so that can
59:53
we have a good meal Y and and I'm going to catch a lot of fish and and I even
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take the kids with me because I know I can catch you know several fish at at certain times of the day I'm and I know
1:00:06
that fishery is managed that way and I think I think that's the challenge with
1:00:12
the fact that oftentimes we go we get into this this fashion right we got to let the big fish go and in many places
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like you know the V West here or or Ontario there's a lot of opportunity to
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mix this up so you have a diversity of Fisheries you've got great Trophy Class
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wild fisheries and you've got these great places where you can catch a meal and have a lot of action and I
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think I think that depends on the public accepting the fact that you can manage wall Fisheries differently based on
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different objectives right if we did that I think I think we'd all be better
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off instead of you know right now in Minnesota we're pushing a lot of these into what are they're trying to push all
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of them into trophy you know wallet fishies because that's where that's where the money is Paul I mean let's be
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honest about it people are willing to spend dollars to go to lakes and uh Resorts or or Fishing lodges that have
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traditionally yield yielded Big L uh big walleye and they'll pay money for that right whereas working with that's fish
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managers working with their with the people that are living there and and you
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know trying to make a make a make a living there to say okay what what is
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best for for this local economy is it to for the local Anglers so that they can
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have a place to come and fish you know have a meal you know bring back fish back or is it something that you're
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you're you're developing this outstanding fishery where you want people to come from worldwide right and say oh this is a really outstanding
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Walley fishery it's Unique please come here and those you know that's dependent
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on the public telling the fish managers what they really want and oftentimes
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fish managers have been giving things that may right or at least we haven't
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had a broad discussion with the public right who makes that decision right is
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it the agency making that decision or is it the agency making that decision in consultation with the public yeah and I
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think that's what has to happen well we know the latter very seldom happens and I hate say this I to the very bad news
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but very seldom uh do you get science working in harmony with the economist in
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that area it just the two don't don't seem to to talk or communicate hey Paul in that in in Angelo's Lake sorry I
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interrupt but I want to go back to Angelo's Lake that he's got this beautiful Lake that's just loaded with big fish real good breeders real good
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stalkers or I was going to say the stalkers would the DNR or would our M&R would they use a lake like that to stock
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other lakes or do they just let the Walley population kind of in general let's say in Minnesota that you know
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that the best do they just let things go as it is or they say hey Angelo's lake is so good with these Prime fish that
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are just the best of the best let's stock other lakes with that uh Minnesota it it has a fairly
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sophisticated approach based on genetics so it doesn't want to mix um pools of
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Walley you know and it's mostly spatial right you've got a southern Walle that's very adapted to the southern part of the
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state that can grow fast in warm water you got uh other populations in in the
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north and Northeast that are distinct and we don't think it's the
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Stak doesn't think it's good to um stock fish from a different
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genetic wow you know um population on top of another population because you
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might damage that fishery in some way right those fish in certain location
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have adapted to that spot right and they may be the best fish for for that
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location of in the state so they got kind of the state chunked out to where they'll take fish from and uh and often
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where they're getting the fish are places that they're easy to trap right in the spring our spring tra Innings
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that they can catch a lot of fish get a good EGT um and then distribute those to
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similar Lally genetically um in that same genetic group that's freaky I don't think I don't think we do a lot of that
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here no I don't think we do I know for a fact we don't so so if you're I got to
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get this right so if you took southern fish eggs and planted them in the a northern
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lake would those fish bring that genetics from that South grow up with
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those genetics from the southern fish into that Northern Lake yeah and you you yeah if
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the the the concern is that if you you bring those fish up north for example
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one they might do worse they're not they're not evolved to that specific habitat or location the the thermal
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conditions whatever and they'll do poorly the other one is we've been doing this before we we did a lot of the
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genetic work is we'd be moving fish from up North down south and we swamp some of
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those Southern Gene population with these Northern populations they
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ended up not doing very well those Northern fish and Southern
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Waters um but there was a concern that we might have um essentially damaged
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that southern population or parts of it so now we only find that southern population in a few water bodies and why
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is that well probably because they past stocking we probably overwhelm those populations with fish that um J just
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place that population and that's not a good thing because we want to we want to maintain that genetic
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diversity um um just because you don't want you don't want to lose that because you
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might need that in the future right Minnesota's changing we might be really dependent on that southern genetic
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strain um in a changing world so we just got to think long term and it's not good
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to eliminate one genetic strin just because you don't think it's growing well or yeah it's it's not optimal right
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for the longest time here I don't know whe there's still going on today I haven't looked into it for a little while but for the longest time we would
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take uh uh B aqu quinty walleye um eggs and use them as the the
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source for most of our spawning in South South Central Ontario for w mhm it was
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that was the the big place the white white brothers uh had haty in that area
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was the contributor I think at that when I when I last was involved and I think they were up to 90 or
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95% of the stocking programs in the southern part of the province came from
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that Jean Pool that you know Crystal Lake where my father-in-law's on um they took from
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what I had heard they had taken quinty Walley and put it in Crystal Lake and and one thing about that Lake I'll tell
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you what it has big wall now I don't know if they're spawning successfully or not and I don't know what size they bring them into there or
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not but holy man there and that's a little F farther north too that's like an hour and a half basically North Bob C
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I have to believe that it they they were successful in spawning because this program I'm talking about uh had been in
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place for a decade before I stumbled onto it and they lined up like the uh
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all of the different hatcheries would have to uh it was almost a take a number almost like uh getting a tag for for
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moose you know what I mean they'd all put in their their requirements that they wanted and uh then M&R would do
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whatever they did to uh give them the allotment or a portion of the allotment that they had requested cuz because as
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you know Paul I mean I don't think there's another place on the planet that has um walleye well there's and there's
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two different types of walleye in B2 that's the other thing we can't forget we've got the the um the ones that live
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there we can certainly column native and then we've got the ones that move in from from Lake Ontario and I don't know
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whether at the time that this Hatchery program was in place whether they did
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Target the big fish coming in from the lake or whether they were using the Bay
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fish I all I know is that eggs from uh bay aqu quinti for walleye were like
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gold absolute gold so when when uh when they over fist the
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the Red Lake syst here in Minnesota they they looked around they thought well we could we could restore it quick if we
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stocked it and then they they did the genetics so what remained in in Red Lake and
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compar TOs and says oh here's one on Vermillion Lake that's very similar
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let's take the fish the fry from from our egg T there and and stock those into
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red so they're very thoughtful about about doing that and and probably M&R
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will get to that point too yeah you know the other concern that that the fish
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managers have is you know you you've got you may have traits that are um that are
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inherited right you've got uh Lake resident wle I that River
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spawn um and we see a very high sight uh Fidelity for that about 70% so for for
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Wes that live in in these these large systems that spawn in in rivers 70% of
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them go back to the same river year to year every my questions I had written on the sheet right there wow no kidding and
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why do you have such a high uh Fidelity to that to that area is it is it a trait
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is is it an inheritable trait or is it something that they learned and the
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science is really quite unclear about that but say for example you're stocking River Run [Music]
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um fish into systems that don't have large um Rivers coming into them right
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right um what's this what's the likelihood of creating a sustainable Fisheries there right so those are kind
1:10:39
things that people are still trying to understand a little bit better yeah for sure that would be an issue definitely
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that's cool before we get to the winter stuff one more question Paul how big
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let's say a very genetic very generic question here in that is how effective is a 30-in female Walley at spawning is
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there a number there is like this 28 when they get to 30 inches are they Prime what's the prime spawners yeah
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when do they shut down not more than when the prime when is it when they kind of over with their day with their
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deal yeah I I don't know if there's like a certain length that that they're Prime
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on right right um what what we know from looking at at spawning females is the
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larger the fish is the earlier they'll often spawn oh okay and and I don't know
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if that's because they're they're more ready to go
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and I don't know if that's often the best spawning strategy some years it is right the early you get in the earlier
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your eggs will hatch you'll but if your timing is wrong those eggs hatch in the
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perch hatch hasn't happened or you know that they're not synced up really well
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um then it may not be so for from a population perspective I think it helps
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to have a variety of female spawners that spawn across a wide window
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of spawning activity that way you have some resilience to some environmental
1:12:15
conditions that might be unique for that particular year okay so I would
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say we know for sure the bigger the F the bigger the female the bigger the the
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egg mass that they have that's probably good yeah yeah like a big 34 35 in walleye I mean are they that's got to be
1:12:33
an old fish I'm going to assume around here in our Great Lakes that's got to be an older fish I would think it could be 20 years old for for all you know yeah
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yeah yeah so so moving into the cold water period which was what we were supposed to do on this segment we do get
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carried away if and and it's a perfect segue from what you guys were just talking about in terms of responding um
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if it's a fact that uh female fish start developing their eggs I believe uh in
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the fall of the Year prior to the spring is that correct they they start
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developing almost after the after they just spawn so they'll start forming eggs
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they'll become um more observable by fall right by fall right almost mature
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by Fall wow if that is the theory that they are going to be over the winter
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period they're going to is the most important part for the development of the eggs in the female fish if that's
1:13:33
the theory I just want your opinion on this and there is no right or wrong answer um do you believe that maybe if
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we need to manage our inventory a little bit tighter than we are now on any given
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body of water assuming that the body of water by the way has an ice fishery U
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because some of them don't here in this country um if we needed to tighten up
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the belt a little bit on the management of our walleye fishery would the hard waterer period not be the best time to
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do it for the simple reason that uh it's a critical part of the development of
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the eggs in the female fish yeah I would say no I I would say
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you know since the eggs are being developed through the summer through the fall they're almost mature you know at
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that fall period um whether they're harvested in the
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spring or in the summer or in the fall or in the winter does it really matter I
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mean it's it's a dead Walle either way good point right yeah so and then you
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look at where the most of the Harvest is for for Walle Fisheries it's spring
1:14:47
Harvest is where the most the Harvest happens through the Open Water season okay around around here our our winter
1:14:54
harvests can be large component but often they're the smaller chunk of where
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the the fish leave is through the through the ice fishing and that's
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because you know while it's cold water they're they're they're slow down a bit
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um they eat 20% um of what they ate in this in the summer in the winter wow so they're not
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eating as much you know in the summer they might you know eat one or two um
1:15:23
yearling perch per day but in the winter it might be one or two perch every three
1:15:29
or four days so I mean there's slowing down and that's why we don't catch as many Walle generally in the
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winter um I don't I mean loving both the
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Open Water and the ice fishing uh I think we'd be challenged
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fish managers would be challenged to say you know what we're going to close off the winter Fishery so that we can save a
1:15:55
component of our Harvest well you get a lot of people saying well why don't you just regulate the um the summer Harvest
1:16:02
a little bit better right why are you going to take this opportunity for us to enjoy the outdoors and the ability to
1:16:09
cat a in the winter so we've never in Minnesota we and often in the midwest
1:16:16
you don't see regulating the seasons very much we have it here on rice on Rice Lake and the cor area I think
1:16:23
still in it's still in place isn't it yep yeah you can't they've stopped the ice fishing for Walley here W ice
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fishing so didn't that system have some um over fishing problems in the past
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well I mean that's debatable the one that sort of led the way was Lake skoog
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uh in particular we're talking about Walley um yeah yeah way over fish
1:16:47
because very close to 6 million people I'm talking half an hour drive for most of them to to that Lake so it got
1:16:54
bombarded uh all year long and there was an interesting uh
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there was a point in the decision making where um somebody thought you know what
1:17:07
before we and it was a lake skoog is a very popular walleye fishery in in this part of the world and so um they at one
1:17:17
point said I think we better consult with the uh uh the user groups you know
1:17:22
the stakeholders in this let's let's see if we can get some intelligent information from them and then base that
1:17:29
so they did they did this wonderful PA they if if you get a chance to go and and read it somewhere they did this
1:17:36
wonderful you know I'm going to say it was like a 10-page uh survey and questionnaire and
1:17:44
uh um put it out to the public via internet and ask them to reply to it and
1:17:51
give them uh some feedback and the return was so low of people who took the
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time to give their opinion or or at least read it and say yes I read it um
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that &r just got threw their hands in the air and said you know what obviously nobody cares obviously they don't care
1:18:11
whether we close it don't close it uh uh you know start you know selective harvesting whatever they don't care
1:18:17
about any of it so you know what we're just going to close it shut her down and of course when that happened every came
1:18:23
out of the woodwork and said how dare you how can you do that to me so I just
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wanted to tell you that's how this whole thing started with the corus and and Rice Lake and was the there was never ice fishing
1:18:36
allow yeah then then they allowed just pan fishing now they brought it back as pan fishing only right which which you
1:18:42
know what my thought was on that then you might as well open it up for walleye because you know there's going to be so many incidental catches oh yeah and and
1:18:49
and kill the guy the odd guy throwing one in a bucket and trying to sneak away with right so but any yeah we're going
1:18:55
through a lot of that up here now I'd say in the last 10 years you know we're starting to maybe outthink this whole
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thing in some cases um but anyways um Paul you're you're a biologist right
1:19:08
aisher biologist is that correct yes I am okay so a lot of times in Canada here
1:19:13
when we're ice fishing even late fall fishing I've seen it before but when we're ice fishing and you're not in a hut and it's like literally minus5
1:19:21
celsus out here ridic ridiculous cold even colder you bring a walleye up out of the ice and almost instantly it
1:19:28
starts to freeze the water on it the skin the eyes they literally they literally get a little skim of ice on
1:19:34
them is I mean obviously it should be an immediate release should can a person take a picture of that fish if it's a
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trophy of a lifetime how much danger time is there there how much leeway do you have I would get it in the water
1:19:46
quick as possible that's it right yeah what happens to them when that when that you know let's say 30 seconds is out of
1:19:53
the water what happens well your your fins right I mean they're you know they're very thin I mean you could like
1:20:00
a human with frostbite I mean you could damage tissue so okay yeah I think we
1:20:06
underestimate the fact that hey that fish laying on the ice especially if there's some wind on that right where
1:20:13
you you're going to have some real serious tissue damage to that fish so don't risk it just put it back in the
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water perfect okay and that's what uh when this getting back to the cour brace
1:20:24
Lake in particular where they allowed panish uh through the ice but no Walley I thought that's ridiculous that is
1:20:31
because because you know there's going to be incidental catches a lot of them on that Lake and people are going to
1:20:37
want to say wow look at my and then they PL him in it's going to die in my opinion but yeah who listens I me we got
1:20:43
to think we got to think about ethics here you know as far as how you know how
1:20:48
Anglers are behaving themselves right right I mean I avoid places to fist
1:20:55
based on what the regulations are and if I'm going to you know catch if I have to catch in relas
1:21:01
then I'm I'm changing my whole thought process about oh gosh I don't want to I
1:21:07
don't want to I don't even want to fish that because that's not my objective today or why am I playing with this fish
1:21:14
for some purpose of having at the end of the line and feeling that tuug right um
1:21:20
what's wrong with me you yourself that have you so often times I'm going okay I'm
1:21:27
fishing for a while I I know I'm mentally prepared to to deal with what
1:21:33
I'm going to catch before I even catch something to say oh if I'm ice fishing and I catch a big fish and I can't
1:21:39
actually keep it on that water body I'm getting it into the water right away I'm not I'm not dinking around with it I'm
1:21:45
not taking a picture I don't care I'm just getting it in the water for the sake of yeah yeah and then fishing I'm
1:21:53
hoping to fish catch fish that I actually can keep would you um in your perfect world then would you because
1:22:00
I've often thought about this assuming that bar trauma through the ice or open water is about the same I'm going to
1:22:06
make that assumption maybe as a scientist you can tell me yeah so bear trauma whether it's through the ice or
1:22:12
open water is is exactly the same so would you would you in in a perfect
1:22:17
world if you were managing a walleye fishery through the ice would you say
1:22:22
that you cannot ice fish I don't know over 30 ft of water you can only ice
1:22:29
fish from 30 to zero well it depends I mean if you got a if you got regulations where I can keep that fish I'm going to
1:22:37
fish wherever right I'm going to keep that fish knowing that hey you know I
1:22:42
don't care it's gonna die I'm taking it home I'm eating the fish I'm putting it right in the bucket and and I'm I'm
1:22:49
going to spike its head and I'm going to kill it cleanly yeah and I'm taking it home yeah but if I'm on that water body
1:22:57
and I know I you know that's where the fish are and I can't keep them then I'm not fishing I'm making that
1:23:04
determination I just had the conversation with a buddy that that lives in Texas he goes he had a boat
1:23:10
full of people on his boat there really getting the mahi mahi really good and he
1:23:16
goes guys we've caught Plenty of Fish how
1:23:22
many more do you need both and taking them home and to actually play with them on the end of
1:23:28
the line how much more do you need and and that's a challenge for all
1:23:34
of us right yeah I'm catching fish I'm I'm really getting a lot of fish I'm
1:23:40
getting a lot of Walle hits I'm bringing them in okay I got what I need for the
1:23:45
day I'm just going to quit fishing I'm going to go look for loons or I'm going
1:23:51
to go somewhere where else and change your species right change your species even at that point yeah change my
1:23:58
species I might fish for a northern pike for example uh see if I can you know get one or two of
1:24:03
those that's a tough one that's a tough one self discipline right that's a more of us
1:24:11
need to think about that because hey fish are our limited resources yeah and
1:24:17
and how are we ethically fishing right I mean we are the referee out on the lake
1:24:23
we judge our own behavior because there's nobody else except the people maybe in your boat or in the ice fish
1:24:29
with you ice house with you um but I think we have to be more conscious of
1:24:34
what we're doing and I think we had this conversation last time too it's like wait a
1:24:39
minute if we're the referee we need to have a little self-control on what we're doing out here so are you saying or are
1:24:47
you I don't want to say this wrong because so an and I are oute and we're having a Heyday on well we'll use
1:24:54
walleye we'll use walleye and they're biting good and we don't even care we've kept a couple in the Box for eating but
1:24:59
now we just want to catch as many as we can W this is a riot this is the best fishing of our lives and are we doing
1:25:04
damage by doing that and releasing these cats depending on the water temperature pretending on the pr uh depending upon
1:25:12
the depths again as we mentioned before I mean there's a portion of those fish are going to die um and that's not good because hey
1:25:21
it's just going to end up at bottom of the lake and uh that's going to serve the resource nothing I mean it's getting
1:25:29
recycled uh but did you need to do that well it was fun yeah I guess you have to
1:25:36
determine what the hell you're doing out there right why makes makes a good point on the conditions too you know I mean on
1:25:41
the perfect day where you know these fish they have their best chance of survival maybe not so much but on a hot
1:25:47
day yeah maybe you yeah yeah in the spring say the water temperatures are fairly cool I'm using uh um you know
1:25:55
crankbait or something I'm catching fish and I've got pretty good release off of them I'm not seeing a lot of you know um
1:26:03
mortality immediate mortality then you might feel more comfortable doing that yeah but then you
1:26:09
got to then I always start asking why am I playing with this fist yeah what purpose is
1:26:16
this true I'm playing with somebody else's food why am I doing this right right and that's exactly what
1:26:23
what we fish for right is that what you're describing as why am I doing this
1:26:28
that's what brings us out on the water absolutely that whatever that is whatever the answer to your question is
1:26:35
that's what we do that's why we're out there you know we're out there for that moment that that Split Second that hook
1:26:43
set that the fight probably isn't even that big of a deal but making initial
1:26:49
contact with a fish is why we do it there's something that happens at that moment that's
1:26:55
undescribable and it has nothing to do with think so but I think it I think it's also very addictive very very much
1:27:02
so yes yes and I think we need to broaden our Horizons and I've done that by grand kids in the boat and now the
1:27:10
experience is totally different or bring them into the ice house right now they're now they're just interested for
1:27:16
example when we're ice fishing some of the kids are just interested in watching the camera right right they see a Church
1:27:23
you know that's their excitement that's their connection Back To Nature it's not having that tug on the end of the line
1:27:29
and bringing it in for them that's not exciting often though they they'll want to see the fish you know touch the
1:27:37
fish um and I think we have to we have to get away from that
1:27:43
addiction of that tug on the line and bringing it in in in that satisfaction
1:27:48
of of catching that fish I'm I'm going to fish jail cuz I I'm a lost cause okay
1:27:55
just that's it for me I'm you're not you I cannot be converted you will not be
1:28:00
rehabed I don't think I can I mean you can try and I I'll I'll go through the process I'll try if somebody's going to
1:28:05
watch me 24/7 but yeah it's it's it's like me deer hunting I love to kill deer
1:28:11
I mean because I eat deer all the time right it's like but how many do I need to kill right and then with deer it's
1:28:18
okay God I got to butcher that thing up tonight um but it's easier so the
1:28:23
addiction of the blood lust for deer is a little bit offset by the fact that hey
1:28:30
that killing that deer means work real work for me and then I have to find somebody else that wants some deer meat
1:28:36
yeah you know my extended and yeah maybe I can do that and I enjoy doing it but
1:28:42
at the same time is how much do I need how much does my family need and and and
1:28:49
that's I think the challenge of Fishery management right is people want a lot of
1:28:54
different things I want to go out and catch this trophy fish as you had mentioned earlier and have those
1:29:00
experiences I want to go out to this other kind of lake that you know they're managing for you know Surplus production
1:29:07
and I'm good keepers for for meals um and how do we make sure in a in
1:29:15
a very crowded world that we can pull this off and part of that depends on us as Anglers to to be a little bit more
1:29:24
self-disciplined in what we're doing out there it's funny a because we made that Quantum
1:29:30
Leap years ago in the 60s and 70s where we started actually thinking about
1:29:36
conservation and we said well you know I think if we if we don't keep all
1:29:43
the fish that we catch and we release them back into the water everything is going to be okay and so then we came
1:29:50
became more prolific at catching them because why because we had a lot more practice now cuz we're catching 20 30 50
1:29:57
100 fish a day we're kind of cluing in on what the hell is going on out there right so we became really good at it and
1:30:04
we and when we were challenged by folks on the other side we'd say yeah whoa whoa we're releasing everything what are
1:30:10
you talking about we're all those fish are back in the water and now I'm listening to you and it sounds like we
1:30:18
need to kind of rethink this thing and um and maybe turn it upside down keep your
1:30:24
four and then go home keep your fish keep your four fish or six fish whatever it is but at the end of that you call it
1:30:31
a day that's what I'm hearing it's like it's like wle it's like wle has that
1:30:37
optimal Forge Theory right we should be the same way it's like let's go out get
1:30:42
our fish let you know with the least amount of energy expended and uh be
1:30:47
happy with that so it's but you know it's a sport too right it's right that's fishing is a sport um I I look at my
1:30:55
hunting Sports so I'm a bow hunter you know I I had a recurve in the in the
1:31:01
60s uh hunted compound bows when they came out and then I stopped I go oh I
1:31:07
want to shoot with my fingers don't want these new compound bows you got to have a release and all this stuff it's just
1:31:12
too much technical stuff well now in Minnesota you can shoot the crossbow and
1:31:18
that's archery yeah here too here too and there one wait a minute we we picked up bow
1:31:24
and arrow because we wanted a fair Chase right and now we're right back to having
1:31:30
something as lethal as as a rifle or a shotgun and and then we did the same
1:31:35
thing with muzzle loader I got a muzzle loader it's a you know traditional old thing but now you got these highly
1:31:41
sophisticated muzzle loading guns that shoot better or as good as a slug rifle
1:31:47
yeah uh or a slug shotgun or even some of the rifles and you're going wait a
1:31:54
minute why do we keep falling into this trap and now with fishing look at the
1:32:00
technology of sonar oh my God it's just start starting the Navy has developed all this sonar that we're just you know
1:32:07
that's starting to creep into the commercial side of things for for regular Anglers and 10 years we're going
1:32:14
to have even more advanced Zar and we're going to go oh this is making fishing
1:32:20
different it's probably increasing um our catch rates I mean you
1:32:26
look at the kids that are fishing for the high school leagues here in Minnesota oh yeah you know the young
1:32:31
kids they're using that technology uh they're very
1:32:37
competitive um and they catch a lot of fish Y and uh you know I look at that
1:32:44
and go wow that's uh what are we doing here we making it easier and easier to
1:32:50
catch fish and we're learning learning more and more about fish right we're all studying fish learning their behaviors
1:32:55
right and uh the sport is changed by that I think that's just natural progression though isn't it like if you
1:33:02
were not when you're dealing with a living organism I know but just but we're not thinking that but if you take
1:33:07
on golf for instance you can stay crappy if you want but God I want to get better at that I'm going to take lessons I'm
1:33:13
going to buy better clubs I'm going to buy the more they going to videotape my everything we do I think we try to get better if you get into a hobby you know
1:33:19
beyond a hobby let's say you try to get better at it and better you want to be really good at it so I think it's just a natural thing for for a human to do to
1:33:26
be honest but fitting is a regulated sport right just as baseball is a regulated sport they changed the rules
1:33:32
every once in a while hey you know what we're going to have a clock now that you have to pitch quicker we're GNA change
1:33:38
the sport y um but the problem with sports as regulated by government
1:33:45
agencies is they're do dependent on what the industry or what the most of the Anglers want so you we got these
1:33:54
confounding rules that are hard to understand um just C look at the rules
1:34:00
on on terminal tackle in Minnesota regulation book it's a whole page on what defines terminal
1:34:07
tackle these different kind of things well if we were serious about regulating
1:34:13
the sport such that we included Fair Chase we might have a whole different set of rules wouldn't we and how would
1:34:20
you set those rules right now it's oh somebody wants to shoot with a crossbow
1:34:26
well legislator changed the rule and pretty soon it's done and uh I don't
1:34:32
know maybe we need to rethink how we regulate the the the fishing is
1:34:37
Minnesota is Minnesota one of those States I know it's in the states only where you can cut a hole in the ice and
1:34:43
spear Pike is that is that yeah you can do that darkh spearing yep so what do you think of that one like if that's
1:34:49
your way we're talking on this like where do you draw the line what do you think of that one well I I think it's a great sport
1:34:56
[Music] um it's a difference of opinion of
1:35:03
course some people say hey they're taking trophy Pike out when you know
1:35:09
it's not you know I'd rather catch them in the summer or whatever right right so you get them versus us you know it's
1:35:17
intriguing to watch I'll tell you that I watch some YouTube stuff and it's crazy watching this we have a
1:35:23
um I have an old friend and uh she's been on the program several times uh
1:35:28
Katherine yep and uh she's taken her fishing to a whole different
1:35:34
level and that is totally hookless now she's a she's a fly fishing dude he's
1:35:41
laughing he laughing I love it yeah but she what she she's into fly fishing so for her it's all about you know making
1:35:48
that perfect connection with nature getting your your fly just to act in a
1:35:54
certain way to fool the fish and then that second that that it works it all comes together the explosive you know
1:36:02
action and no harm no foul everybody goes back about their way happy in her
1:36:07
this is her you know the way she portrays fishing and um she yeah she's practicing and not only practicing but
1:36:14
preaching that as well is this a is this a growing fishing Trend you think well well well she makes it sound like person
1:36:21
is doing it I don't know the rest I I think there's more of it than we know uh
1:36:26
and it's happening in the fly now everybody's complaining about the way you're treating things the poor fish now you're teasing them with food they're
1:36:32
going to have to change their whole oh my God you can't do that no but the point is at energy that that that is
1:36:39
expended to get to that that fly that has no hook on it he's waited all day for that striking there gives a couple
1:36:46
pulls and forget this I don't like this anymore that's it I'm out you know poor guy uh you know what Dean is going
1:36:54
to be awfully pissed off at us cuz he had a whole got a couple more though can we time for one or two more sure let's
1:37:01
yeah why not so okay here's one that I always it's confused me there's a
1:37:06
blanket of snow on the ice okay so it's completely I'm assuming is it completely
1:37:12
dark under the ice as in close to nighttime kind of visibility if if you've got a a a heavy
1:37:19
uh thick ice with a very um uh heavy snow pack on it yeah it's very dark okay
1:37:26
so number one do Wy I mean Walley will be probably be the best Predator under
1:37:32
that Darkness I'm assuming do they do they know the difference between day and night or do they have any like does it
1:37:38
mean anything to them you know what I mean I I think still they'll they know the difference between day and night
1:37:43
especially if it's a clear water system right what you know maybe if it's a Dark Water System where the water's you know
1:37:50
bog around and you've got both thick ice and a heavy snow pack on it maybe it's
1:37:56
just dark all the time you know it's could be really bad so they don't care
1:38:02
what about but you know they've got so sensitive eyes think they have detect a difference between night and day still
1:38:08
long so that's what I was going to say is there U for our Anglers listening here it's so dark under there while I
1:38:14
have good eyes is there lure colors Etc that would work better under the ice
1:38:20
under the ice condition do GL does glow work better does uh rattles work better Etc yeah I I think I think both of those
1:38:27
probably do better right um some sound um some glow I mean something to attract
1:38:33
the the walley's eye right to see it um in those low light conditions I think
1:38:39
still have some value boy it does I'm listening to you two guys it doesn't take long to regress we were just
1:38:45
talking about this Angelic new possible way of connecting with nature with no
1:38:51
hooks and you know perfectly naturally placed fly and all this stuff and now
1:38:56
like in a flash of he wants to know what color will make him bite my hook for I
1:39:02
want I want Katherine maroon to go out in Lake Winnipeg at 40 below zero with a
1:39:08
wind chill factor of even colder and I want her to drop a hookless jig down there and try and see some walleye
1:39:14
coming no I don't think ice fishing will ever work without um you said something
1:39:19
earlier on Paul about the fact that uh only 20% of the time during the winter
1:39:27
period are these walleye apt to actually start eating or foraging or I don't know
1:39:32
what what you would call it uh what determines that no because we've off now
1:39:38
with cameras we see fish that are just hunkered down on the bottom and they're just not doing nothing and sometimes you
1:39:44
can drop your favorite color uh jig and and right on their nose and they still
1:39:50
won't B what is determining that 20% for them yeah so they're consuming 20% less
1:39:56
than they were in the summer and the winter and the reason why is it's cold uh their whole metabolism slows
1:40:04
down right the digestion of that of that prey in their stomach slows down
1:40:09
everything's slowing down so that they they just they just don't have the the
1:40:17
energy to yeah yeah to do it yeah so they're they're conserving their energy
1:40:22
through the winter they're they're eating but not you know substantially less but they're still assuming and
1:40:30
oftentimes that's very you know you know might be an hour before dusk or
1:40:35
something and that's it right right um so really they're really different Behavior compared to in the spring or in
1:40:41
the fall but that hour before DUS Paul that hour before dusk that that hour
1:40:47
before dusk we've seen it many times here in Ontario at least ice fishing where they go Gang Busters and maybe
1:40:53
even more than one day in a row maybe two or three days in a row or if you follow the Packa fish around you'll get it every night so they're not conserving
1:41:01
energy at that time they're going like crazy you're getting these solid bites they're fighting hard etc etc just are
1:41:06
they saving their energy all day just for that one little bite of that day yeah that's what I think I think they're
1:41:13
you know they're they're trying to stay warm right right with uh with winter conditions um where do you think AA is
1:41:19
going to be at at uh 1 degre Celsius water temperature or at four degrees
1:41:24
water you know Centigrade water yeah they're going to be in the warmer water
1:41:30
well where is that warm water in the winter well it's right on the bottom in the deep water lake because the the the
1:41:39
molecular structure of water is it's densest at 4 de C okay so that 4° c
1:41:48
water is at the bottom and if you're while I going I I'm looking for just
1:41:53
warm water folks I'm going to be in that se water you're blowing my mind here
1:41:58
because I was taught at a very early age that by Sister rosilia by Mar Sister
1:42:04
Mary rosilia that fish don't feel temperature it doesn't they don't know cold from warm to hot to apparently
1:42:13
don't trust a n on that woo great answer Paul so in fact
1:42:20
they do feel the temperature change I've seen on larg MTH bass for sure in the
1:42:26
fall when the water's in the 50s and even 40s they will hover towards rocks and know rocks are absorbing the the
1:42:32
Heat and they're sitting on that right on that rock you know getting that little bit extra so I got to change my whole speech on this whole thing now
1:42:40
because yeah because you know I was always saying that they don't feel the temperature change like we do don't
1:42:46
worry about a cold front cold fronts are just for sissies cuz the fish don't feel that that coil front's different than
1:42:53
water temperature right go ah they're living in that water they're feeling it
1:42:58
every all the time and they're going to seek they're going to seek temperature that best suits them they're going to
1:43:04
look for oxygen levels that are that are are high sufficient um and they're going
1:43:09
to look for light you know with walleye you know they're going to avoid highlight conditions and uh they're
1:43:14
going to go to the bottom so yeah those big three things water temperature light and um and oxygen that that depends that
1:43:23
determines a lot of cases where a Walle is going to be H I had no idea that water was warmer on the bot for food
1:43:29
right food yeah yeah of course food yeah that's the big one I assume wow that
1:43:34
whole thing just blew my mind now I love the fact that it's four degrees or it's a little warmer on the bottom I had no
1:43:40
idea Dean did you know that I didn't know either oh wow either like like holy
1:43:46
mackerel that's three of us cuz I don't think maybe Ann's new he said I knew that there there was a warmer band of
1:43:52
water down below so I they call they called uh inverse stratification so the
1:43:59
warm water's on the bottom in the winter and the cold water's on the top near the ice but in the summer it's just the
1:44:05
reverse right what I did not know was about them feeling a difference in
1:44:10
temperature I did not know that yeah blame blame the nun the damn nun I blame the nun okay that or it I
1:44:18
we're we're going to be as usual we went completely uh off offline here but we'll
1:44:25
we'll get I think it's good info I think people will like it I think next time on we need to pick up the script and say
1:44:30
hello Paul today I would like to ask you and then we'll have none of this nonsense about uh with the direction
1:44:39
exactly or spear fishing Pike oh my God I I apologize for getting off track I I
1:44:46
have a tendency to do that we get you off track we just say the question you go that's it so we're starting it no
1:44:52
problem anyways my friend thank you very much for joining us once again uh all the best to you how's the book doing by
1:44:58
the way it's doing excellent the the University of Minnesota press is very excited how many books they've sold so
1:45:05
how can folks get their hands on it how can people get their hands on it
1:45:11
how can they buy it oh you can you can go to Amazon you can you can go to the University of Minnesota press's website
1:45:18
they've got a secure site you can go to your local library and borrow a book and read it um yeah so it's out there it's
1:45:26
called a beautiful fish of the dark walleye a beautiful fish at the well I
1:45:31
wouldn't it wasn't going to be Sunfish talking talking you know you could say you're a beautiful car of the garage but
1:45:38
you say Camaro 69 Camaro you know what I mean so that's what I deal with every day Paul every day all he wants to do
1:45:44
never get to the end of the questions that's right that's right Paul all he wants to do is dangle his line and play
1:45:49
with fish all day long H hit them hard crack them uh thank you my friend we will talk
1:45:56
to you very soon all the best to you thanks Paul all right uh Paul ramski what a
1:46:03
wonderful gentlem mean from love his attitude that he's a Fisheries biologist aside from the fact that uh he's worked
1:46:10
in the field most of his life and he's a great author and very articulate in the way he lays it all out he's just a great
1:46:15
guy to talk to yeah yeah right yeah yeah for sure and he gets the whole catching keep and then he gets catch them release
1:46:22
you know cuz he's a hunter too so he knowes all the harvesting and and so he's all Sid I I was a little surprised
1:46:27
that the pike spearing through the ice though to be yeah yeah he said it was a great sport so I was too I thought after
1:46:34
we're just talking about all this management and stuff and we should slow down on things I guess
1:46:40
uh karp and shallows with bow and arrow would probably be okay he probably yeah he'd be good with it I bet you he would
1:46:46
yeah yeah anyways it doesn't really matter to each his own is of course they spear sturgeon through the ice down
1:46:52
there I think maybe in Wisconsin yeah there's a state where there's just an actual sturgeon fishery through the ice
1:46:59
with Spears there's a number there's a quota you have to call in as soon as you get one it's like our tune out in in the east coast you have to phone it in and
1:47:05
all that and they have and then they it usually lasts about a day and they have a quota I think is around a dayish or
1:47:11
more not much more wow and they yeah and there it's a big it's a big thing I think it's Wisconsin maybe I don't know
1:47:16
Dean you know that one you you've heard of it yeah I think it is Wisconsin yeah yeah Dean's very quiet in the latter
1:47:22
half of the show he missed you last week well there is that too but I think he just doesn't want to put the buttons
1:47:28
when uh Paul's on I think he's afraid oh the had the sound effects you see when we get so into this that we don't really
1:47:34
even notice the sound effects are gone but you did obviously anyways uh don't forget that that's a bunch of
1:47:41
and what we talked about earlier on the show that's right thank you very much for getting back to
1:47:46
normal uh I want to be on behalf of the entire team I want to thank everybody join by the way don't forget the contest
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1:48:22
chair uh back from vacation and of course Dean Thompson who was very quiet the latter half of the show Dean
1:48:29
Thompson you call him Thompson Dean Thompson how is Dean Dean's doing good I haven't talked to
1:48:34
him I love I I'll tell you Dean story after this is over cuz it's it's just incriminating a little bit to a bunch of
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you'll like it you'll like it Dean Taylor I'm a thanks folks we'll catch you next
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