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Will Robots Replace Outdoor Writers? | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 109
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Dec 2, 2024
This week on Outdoor Journal Radio, Ang and Pete are joined by Editor-in-Cheif of Outdoor Canada Magazine to discuss how technology is changing the way we experience the outdoors. First, however, a bit of housekeeping was in order. Topics discussed included: life as a hall of fame; in-cheifs; our upcoming LIVE show; Pete's swearing habit; 20-foot ashtrays; forest firefighters; failing polygraphs; BC vs Ontario Pike; and whether Pike are mentally sound. With those matters out of the way, Patrick joins the show! Topics discussed included: Arctic heat waves; casual PBs; print media's stability; the return of Field and Stream; reading newspapers; the fall of VICE; TV's strengths; AI's threat to outdoor writing; how to get published; how much writers can make; how to get on a magazine cover; Merrium wild turkeys; Striped Bass on topwater; and much more! Listen to our Podcast, Outdoor Journal Radio: The Podcast ► Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3J0klPY ► Apple Music: https://apple.co/3CtzZkp ► Subscribe http://bit.ly/youtube-fishncanada Don't forget to leave a COMMENT and give us a LIKE if you enjoyed what you saw. SUBSCRIBE for new videos and episodes released weekly! CONNECT WITH US -------------------------------- ► WEBSITE http://fishncanada.com ► FACEBOOK https://www.facebook.com/FishnCanada/ ► INSTAGRAM https://www.instagram.com/fishncanadaofficial/?hl=en ► TWITTER https://twitter.com/angeloviolafnc/
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and now another exciting episode in The Adventures of Outdoor Journal
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radio well howy folks thank you for joining us Outdoor Journal radio the podcast Angelo Viola Peter Bowman uh boa
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Nick and Dean come on now now Dean today
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will be joining us uh visually OCD on camera on camad and there he will be
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right there right here forever more look at him he will beome bastard he is eh oh
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my God uh and he will be emblazoned in your psyche emblazoned I love that em
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blazed there's a t-shirt there do know you got I'm em blazing why why are you not looking at him over there uh cuz I
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know where Dean actually is it was this see this is like TV everybody like we're not on the the river when you see the
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show on the Gody help me help me so hard to SAR like an e I can't look at my
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buddy in the eyes I need to tell I'm talking to I okay talk to Dean L Hey Dean how you doing there hey how you doing buddy and I know he's not there on
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today's program you don't know I was looking at you maybe on today's program
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maybe we will uh be joined a little later on by our good friend and anger
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Hall of Fame and duct te for a year now been so we we last time we talked to him
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was uh Patrick Walsham talked about by the way um last time we talked to him he had just been inducted into the Hall of
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Fame come on now give me we want to know we want to know a year later we want all
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the goods we want to know what it's been like being you know mobbed by a throng of fans every time he goes out of his
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house I like that Editor in Chief editor that's cool in Chief other words there's
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no disputing there's no disputing like Gordy is the fishing editor they have hunting editors they have camping but he
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is the chief he is the honcho he is the man can say and chief who's in charge
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around here exactly you can't say that when you have editor and chief when they come here and they tell see your title
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what's your title God depends am I taking the garbage out at the time you see me or am I washing am I washing the
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washrooms what am I yeah wash the washrooms okie dokie okay here we go I'm
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going to look at Dean now I'm going to be I want to be the chief Dean where's the button for that right
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there thank you I want to have that moniker I be something something in
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Chief I'll give you the let me give me some time but I got a something something I can give you I'll figure that one out oh I'm sure that's right up
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your alley I'm sure uh next week the Toronto Sportsman
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show next week the Toronto Sportsman Show and you'll be able to meet Patrick Waller I'm sure he'll be there figure I
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know we be there know that our podcast Network team will be there in glorious color we will be there yeah we're going
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to be there all all our groups and doing live or not live but recorded podcasts from the show
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so kind of live feel to it but uh yeah if you're in uh in the GTA or anywhere well if you're going to the show make
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sure you pop in and uh and say Hello uh if you're listening to this podcast uh
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we we will have all kinds of goodies there too I can't no no no come on you
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can't be saying that why you saying that no I cannot dulge any more than that I I
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I know I was talking to one of our podcasters and he was I don't even know if I can say this but he's trying to get
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some swag together to sell at the show as well so I don't know if that's going to happen or not but that'd be pretty cool too you will be able for all you uh
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folks who have been saying that you know you'd buy you'd buy the merch like this wonderful by the way what do you think
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of this this is the latest uh piece give me a hell yeah the latest piece I love
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it it's just a basic T-shirt with branding on the front just nice that's it for those times where you just you
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know want to say you're touching that I I don't what you're touching that is not I'm not going to say that's nice I'm say
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them are nice I'm not going to say that is nice um but uh what was I thinking oh
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yeah so yeah we'll have we'll have our stuff there and for those of you who do not like paying uh shipping
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shipping you just come to the Sportsman Show and get without shipping pick it up
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and take it with you hell pick it up and put it on and wear it at the show that's a give me a hell yeah give me a
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hell yeah that for sure deserves a hell yeah good job I think we should put that board right here and you and I can do it
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you don't like Dean's proficiency at that do you refle no I just think it it
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loses something Dean correct me if I'm wrong I think I do a fine job with this thing give me a hell yeah come on
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now I only have so many buttons he thinks he does a fine job if he does say so himself and he does
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obviously he does he just did so obviously uh where are we I Like You Dean no
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matter what he says about you come on now there you go uh anyways uh the store yeah we were
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talking about the store so if you don't want to pay shipping come to the Toronto Sportsman show next week we will be there uh W or Thursday Friday Saturday
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and Sunday if we're not there we'll be at the Ontario tourism Booth with our good friend Carol Caputo Carol give me a
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hell yeah hell yeah for sure so either or we're not far from each other booth
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wise so uh make sure you pop in and say hello hello there yeah all right uh
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listener feedback Mr Bowman from surfing uh at surfing firemen surfing firemen in
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response to the 2023 MIP Ami Striper Cup episode which just aired recently right
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correct yes you're you're good D doing good you're doing good want me to read this doing good you telling me you
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wanted to but sure I let's let's I'll take it because then I can kick you in the groin area
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oh so um the you ever kicked a man in the groin before you ever done that as a
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kid as a kid yeah don't even hasit was a daily thing
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daily thing Gary Gary Kuser oh my God Gary poor Gary I feel for you buddy
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Surfin fisherman wants to know um says I've asked in the podcast comments a
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couple of times now and never got a response that would be Dean's fault yeah I think that was at me come on now that
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would be Dean's see you got to tell him to it's
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Insanity we don't need the sound effect but this you know Dean probably he's got a lot of shite on his plate right now so
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he got a notebook open all kind of stuff got to hold his mic what you should do Dean is just forget put him in if I say
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it just let it go yeah don't even do it
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see oh that's awesome oh God God help fantastic God
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help me um any was where was I so so uh it goes on here I've asked the podcast
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made comments podcast couple time no but nobody responded but but I
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saw it in a recent episode on the podcast the boy language
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tends to get a little bit colorful especially Pete uhhuh come on now there you go
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wrong one Sor there good uh I was wondering how often you had to bleep or
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edit some words on the TV show because on the TV show obviously we have some
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restrictions that we have to you know guide ourselves with yes um this episode
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was the first time that I actually noticed a bleep on the fishing Canada show and it was Pete of course he just
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had to put that in there of course didn't he okay just surfing firan surfing help himself he cannot help
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himself that's just the way it is uh I have to take him every place twice when
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we're out you know visiting people I have to take him every place twice the second time in order to apologize that's
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correct because he's a very foulmouthed young man because Reverend Viola here never swears I didn't say I never swear
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I have a little more control so let me answer surfing firemen as best I can
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surfing firemen there is no doubt in my mind that I am a swearer I have been and
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I always will be and I don't care it's just a way I my dad was a swearer I hear swear when I worked construction all we
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did was swear all day long every day so it's just part of the game it's not part of in a in part of my life it's part of
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the game it's part of my game all right in a normal fishing episode where we are miked up and on camera I have learned to
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turn off the switch that's why you rarely hear a bleep on the show because it doesn't happen when him and I get out
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there on that boat we rarely when the camera's rolling if ever we rarely swear
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we just we know how to shut it off somehow or other on that miror machine show if if you remember correctly the
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camera wasn't in our boat the camera was in another boat we had two guests in our boat so it's almost like the camera's
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not around so it's like a free-for-all we don't know about was shooting or not you know so I want to say son of a [ __ ] I say son of a [ __ ] or whatever you
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know what I mean you just can't of do it and and that's what happened that time uh I got dinged by a fish is fin I got
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finned by a fish and I called it a bastard I said I bastard or something like that and I don't know if we have to
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bleep that now but if we do we do we don't we don't since when we bleep on this show I think we have we have in the
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past yeah and then uh and yeah and we actually found one from Uncle Angelo too
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that we got to edit out of there because Uncle Angelo again proof of any of that oh did
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there's a lot of proof of it it's just a matter of nobody else gets to see it but uh because the camera wasn't on our boat
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so we listen at the end of the day what Pete is trying to say is that um our professionals consumate Prof consumate
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professionals and therefore on TV uh we have built this uh mechanism that we
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just don't do it no matter what happens you know what's harder to do on television I'm going to tell you this right now I'm going to be 100% honest
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and transparent with our audience it's harder to hide our cigars when we're having a cigar that we had it is
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swearing cuz you're having a cigar between you know we're having a little break and all of a sudden fish bites oh my God we got to put down a cigar
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something like that so that's that's a tough one for us why do you think I put you know that that hard rubber flooring
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on fnc1 exactly that's tired of the burns on the carpet it's a 20 foot asay
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the whole thing's an asay no now for you kids watching no we're we're we we uh we
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have the oddar the we're not going to deny it but uh and whiskey one once
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every once in a while the boat not never never no you didn't there's not going to
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happen so but at the end of a long day oh my God me there's nothing you kidding me I don't think there's anything more
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satisfying than to do exactly that cold beer is the best give me a hell I got
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that from Mr V this year Mr V finally s come to it and said Pete you are right
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there's nothing better than a cold beer after a day on the vat oh wow I I did not I wasn't there obviously cuz yeah
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you don't have to be there for everything do you need to be micromanage everything here everything even the
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wording clearly I don't micromanage enough obviously going to call you Mike
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I need to micromanage my micromanaging is what I need to do um so anyways I hope we explained
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that well enough uh think I think I think so we try our best we do the best we can yeah uh podcast Network
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highlights Mr Bowman yes uh from Diary our latest from Diaries of a lodge owner uh episode 33 it might not be the latest
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when this comes out but it was the latest that I listened to I haven't quite finished it yet but it's really good it's called into the fire with
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McKenzie Ro Rosen R Rosen um it's all about he's a he's a a firefighter in BC
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and I'm going to tell you something Have you listened to it yeah not yet dude it is unbelievable like first off this guy
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is so well spoken like he's just like oh my God you need to be doing more than just fighting fires because he he could
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be uh he so articulates so well but the the these procedures that they have to
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do for these fires from start to finish from training people getting those people after a very short boot camp into
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the into the bush the getting water up hills cuz they got to fight fires up
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hills and all that it's really really really cool listening to what this guy what these guys I guess and girls all do
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these firefighting team has to do and it's uh it's a very interesting podcast that uh that open my eyes up I know they
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work hard there's no doubt about it and he says that in there you you're you're for some long days but uh but the some
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of the procedures they do crazy it's really good really good that's episode 33 of Diaries of a lodge owner our good
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friend Steve Neds Wiki is the uh podcaster on that we got a Stevie out in
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them bushfires we got to get him out there putting them out can you imagine Peter I'm
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tired it's called into the fire with McKenzie
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rouson come on don't uh don't uh don't delay get on check out it's really good
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in the news on fishing canada.com in the news on fishing canada.com in case I
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said new on fishing canada.com you said it correct well sometimes now you're micromanaging yourself well I do that a
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lot by the way I do that a lot have you ever done that where you you know you know what you just did is right but you
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have a sneaking suspicion that it wasn't so you have to backrack every day of my life bud did I lock my truck and one the
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house no okay beep beep and they do about four more times through the night just in case the the the elf knock your
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buttons up or something like that good God in the news on fishing canada.com um
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this hasn't been in the news for a while for for a while it was every it seemed like every day there was another
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tournament cheater an organizer gone Rogue uh there was always something about tournaments but then for a while
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we had none and here we go uh back in the tournament uh business again
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tournament fisherman disqualified after failing a lie detector test oh my you
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got that right George first of all these line detector tests before we get on to this because obviously this has a lot to
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do with the story but but they're not 100% they can't be 100% nobody's I don't
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think there's I've ever heard claim where these are 100% everybody says now they're not 100% but you know what I
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mean so so what are they there for if they're not 100% that's a great question why are
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they using them that's a great question because it should be if they're using this they should be 100% absolutely Dean
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would this be a deterrent maybe a deterrent tool to yeah I don't know for
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me I feel like it would scare me enough where it would seem like I'm lying like as soon as you hook me up to that I'm going to be nervous well yeah absolutely
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me too I know that's the first thing you think of right apparently not apparently it's pretty rare that just being nervous
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is going to give you a false positive m especially when they they start out with
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sometimes they'll go half an hour to an hour of questioning before they even get to the real question just to calm you
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down talk about your daily life talk about this and that but but still soon as they got to did you
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Che you know what I mean all right so let's tell the story and then you decide on whether in this case the um polygraph
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was was accurate not accurate so it it uh it was a great uh uh Bluefish
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tournament in fact is the biggest bluefish tournament on Earth apparently it's called the Great Bluefish tournament on Earth the greatest 41
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years old so it's a it's a wellestablished uh tournament and um
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this boat weighed in the first and second largest two fish of the
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event but because there was a rule in place and I'm sure that the uh the tournament guys all had to
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sign this in advance that that the top first and second positions were
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going to be put through a polygraph and third in this case and third all yep we're going to be put through a
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polygraph so if you're planning on winning I just want you to know we're going to check you out we don't we don't
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trust you right off the bat so I just want that that's kind of the message and I'm sure they all sign for it well lo
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and behold uh the first and second place positions were held by by one team and
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they were put through the lie detector was it one team or was it two teams I believe they're on the same boat same
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boat really okay wow same boat so same boat Two Fish Two Fish first and second
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same boat which you could be if itself right you could say oh if anybody's going to cheat that's a possibility too
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right but there were more than just them on the boat there was a full boat full as a captain and all that yeah yeah so
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you got a lot of people but anyways um this one boat weighs in the first and second biggest
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and so they have to after the ceremony or before I don't even know how they would do this but anyways at some point
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they had to sit down and uh do the LI detector test while one of the fellas
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that they hooked up to the machine uh failed the LI detector
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test so uh automatically I and I don't even know do you know Dean was there a a
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time a period of time between when they got this and when they announced it I
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believe they actually both said they got a letter in the mail so they had claimed their money and 2 weeks after they got a
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letter in the mail saying uh you failed wow so both of them failed first and
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second place both failed the test yeah wow that's that's crazy but anyway they
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got the letter they got the letter and that says you got to pay us back or you don't get your money or whatever so now
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third place in that tournament moves into first place and fourth moves the second etc etc so it moves everybody up
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right now do they have to do light detector tests now first second it's a little late for that isn't it well
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nobody's really got the prize money yet now the prize money is up you know in in limbo here so they could do that again
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okay you won so now you got however according to the tournament rules with
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Anglers below third do not have to take lot so technically now figure this one
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out so the the Third original third place finisher he moves up the first I'm
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assuming that he's going to have to take the test or did take the test but the second place guy who was fourth
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doesn't now go figure that one out meanwhile the top two were disqualified
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because of it and have to pay it back like this is a mess that's a mess this is a team number four actually did
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[ __ ] team team for did chea they're s laughing they're sitting there he could be the only cheater boy did we do
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a good job here we suck but we did good anyways the full story is on fishing
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canada.com you want to read it because as you as you're going through it you're you're you're you're saying to yourself oh my God I can see potentially that
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this could turn into just a nightmare from a a legality standpoint I could see
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three or four different lawsuits here oh my God yeah and in the story when you get in there you're going to talk you're
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going to hear from a forensic scientist on his opinion of the of polygraph tests etc etc are they real are they not you
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know should you trust them so it's a good article it's a good read it's that part I found tremendously interesting
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because I would take that that one statement and I would take it to a lawyer you damn TR you damn straight I
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would and I would say Okay especially what he says in this article if you go there and you read this one quote he says you got to read it because
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apparently there is um a high enough prob ability that there could go things
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could go wrong when you taking these tests I'm talking about nerve nerves and and all kinds of stuff that could kick
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in and make that wonder if they're just going to get rid of them eventually because it doesn't if it's not 100 if it's not 100% I say you you you can't
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rely on it now they don't use them in a court of law for that reason they don't use them in a court but they will use it
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uh pre precord I guess um they will use them to determine whether the the wi and
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or defendant uh can even go into court and make that statement right so they'll
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they'll kind of use that as a judgment say well I don't know the polygraph says he's lying right so H maybe we shouldn't
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even waste the time putting them up there you interesting but they will not use them in a court of law because
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because of this exact reason that they're not 100% it's not like like DNA
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is 100% right DNA is 100% this is not huh yeah craziness yeah there you go allarm
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fishing canada.com come on now um now fan question of the week fan question
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submitted by Cole Murray from British Columbia via email info@ fishing canada.com in case anybody wants to send
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a beautiful question like our friends from bti Columbia what you talking like that for what the hell was that there a
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bunch of BU oh my God thank you D in this question Cole says Cole
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asks is there a difference in northern pike feeding behaviors in northern BC
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which we've done a couple times couple different lakes as opposed to Northern Pike in Ontario in the Ontario regions
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or does it depend on each Lake and that's a great question that's a great
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question we we haven't put a whole lot as we as I just said we've only been to two lakes in BC that we fish pip feeding
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Behavior he wants to know not nothing other than feeding behaviors so I would
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say a pike is a pikee is a pike same with me and it is going to probably be
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similar doesn't matter where it is in the world I think a pike cannot shed its stripes it is a pike so it um I've
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always thought Pike and I don't even know whether this is politically correct anymore in
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today's world oh my here we go oh my here we go I always thought the pike was
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demented of all the fish of the entire fish family I think sometimes you're demented when you say I
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I always thought that they were a little bit off I Pike you're a little bit off I
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don't why would okay now I got to get into your brain I'll tell you why because
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because when when a pike wants to eat it will eat mhm but when a pike doesn't
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want to eat it like you can do whatever you want and it is not going to eat you
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can see it you can touch it you can feel it you can hand feed it you can do whatever you want but it says
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no well you just descri described a Musky as well for sure oh come on not as
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bad I when a pike is all over you or a Musky he's he's more so than a pike all over you because he will bite at the
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boat 90% of the time how many times have we fished right over top of giant Pike
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and and you see him he's right there you can't miss you're in 6t of water 8 ft of water
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crystal clear it's sitting there and you dangle your Dingle right all around him
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and the son of a gun he won't budge tle your Dingle I love it he won't budge yeah
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that happens so they're kind of weird that way and but but but but let's go into a
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little bit more in depth now that we have the Advent of Liv scope we're we're putting stuff in front of lots of fish
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that aren't doing a thing they're just like what you know why are you not biting why are you not eating this there's something wrong here so maybe a
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fish is a fish is a fish but uh I don't know I think they're off I think like I think Pike are off a little bit they're
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insane they're insane to me to me pike pike sort of segregate from small to big
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a in a very huge way and that the small ones even in BC Lakes we and we don't
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know this for a fact is that those shall those small ones stay shallow for a long time those big ones they go shallow to
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spawn they stay shallow until the food source is basically gone and then they
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go out to that cooler deeper water big Pike are most people don't realize that but big Pike do like deep water around
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them cool water around them now that may be because of bait fish it might be because of white fish Cisco Herring
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whatever it may be but if you look and I think they're very individual fish big
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Pike I think they they go in they spawn together they're scarred up they do all this stuff all it looks like a big group and then all of a sudden they go in the
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main Lake and we've noticed again on our fish finders that you'll see one big long fish out there in the middle of the
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lake and it's a pike if you catch it it's like wow that was a pike that's so cool so um I think they would do that in
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BC Ontario and anywhere those lakes in BC especially those are perfect Lakes for fish to go out off the shallows that
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lake trout lake in in what was that last Lake we fished there what was the name of that airplane Lake airplane Lake that was a perfect example where they can go
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and even feed on Lake TR if they you know if they're shallow pretty much anywhere they have they use you can
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describe that in any Lake I think um but the bottom line is they're demented
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that's really the truth of it Cole sorry Mr Pikes H mer no I love them you know
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that I love Pike I pike fishing is one of my favorite but they are different they're off we did put out an article
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actually a few weeks ago we didn't Contra contradict anything that early okay it's about that uh they may
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actually have the claim out there that they're pishing like the purest form of Pike cuz we put out an article uh on the
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Canadian origins of Pike not long ago where they the oldest record of a pike
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is in Alberta and then they migrated this way so a lot of people think of them as like an Ontario species but they
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originated out there so wow see that's interesting we put that out we put that out y wow was I part of that or did I
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just you read it over oh okay yeah you proved it you proved it speaking of
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demented God they're a little bit off that's all cool fish love them uh yeah
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uh thank you Cole Murray from British Columbia via email submitted that question thank you Cole Murray from
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British Columbia via email info Vision canada.com thank you there you go I just want to do that
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voice one more time a little more emphatic maybe
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podcasts okay let's get to our special guest for the day uh he was here about a
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year ago to the day I'm told well yes he was when he was inducted into the angler
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Hall of Fame Canadian angler Hall of Fame absolutely so here he is back again we want to see how it's been a full year
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of being uh a Hall of Famer Patrick Walsh editor and chief of Outdoor Canada
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magazine Patrick how are you buddy I'm doing really great how are you guys doing good doing really great as well so
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a year goes by you walked the red carpet you got your Awards and now a Year's
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come by I'm just back to being another schlub
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okay yeah it vanishes pretty quick doesn't it it does it does um it was nice to see you at this
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year's uh induct te ceremonies that's right I can't good Gathering yeah I
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can't imagine like the years are going by so quick it's just unbelievable yeah I know um last time uh
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Patrick was on the program uh it was episode 72 for those of you who like to go back in time and uh and see what the
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previous interview was like there might be something that comes up in this interview that they might go back and say hey I should we'll see now you watch
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might be a good reference that you said that you know what I mean you might be it could be very insignificant but it
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could also be a it could also be very very absolutely absolutely lives you uh
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if I'm not mistaken last time we were on the show we also talked about the fact that you were I believe preparing to go
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to plumers Lodge did that happen yes uh yes in last July I went to uh plumbers
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to uh Great Bear Lake Lodge and come on talk to us about that bud it was uh oh
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super hot up there was so so strange Welcome to our lives yeah sign of the
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times uh yeah um and it's funny you you come out of
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your cabin in the morning and it's it's warm the water was like glass you could water ski if you wanted to um but funny
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enough once you get go once you get out in the water and you're moving it's freaking cold because the water is still cold but the air is warm it's very very
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interesting Dynamic what did what the air temperatures get up to Patrick you remember oh shoot uh I have to check my
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notes but um I think we're pushing 30 oh wow okay yeah and do you remember the do you
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remember the water temps Pat at all like throughout the day for was slave that's in my not that's in my notes also you're
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throw you're throwing the hard questions at me well that's what we do buddy I'm G to say I bet there was a the surface
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temperature was definitely pushing 60 yeah um yeah I was going to say it in the 60s maybe so and but the you know
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it's funny those lake trout has uh been talking to gour piser and he's writing about that upcoming issue the magazine
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they they will leave their comfort zone of 48 and come up for a quick feed and then get back down right yeah whatever
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they need to do right yeah I think that makes sense I think a lot of fish species do that actually to be honest with you clearly clearly we don't have a
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new personal best leg truck to talk about because you would you would have leted off with he had a picture of that
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in front of hey everybody look at me I'm Bobby desler you know as uh fate would
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have it I did get my new PB Lakers oh he's just not a bragger like us oh so previously it was 37 pounds that
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was a calculation based on the length girth and width um but this time we had a uh a digital device to weigh it and it
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was 42 pounds oh dude that's my new PB Laker holy crap what'd you catch it on
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tell us the story trolling uh it was a a t60 yep big flatfish um yeah and
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uh just rolling and fairly shallow actually they were coming up on this
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Reef I guess to feed so uh my my uh guide Reed story BG
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had them uh dialed right in before we got there so it's like my guide caught it I held the
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rod he he just dragged you around until he put it right in his mouth right the
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exactly could you imagine could you guys imagine that if you dropped a nice underwater camera down there for a
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couple of hours in a day and the feeding time of all those big Lakers coming on that sh like a 40 plus there's probably
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50s that go up there there's lots of 20s and 30s that go up there it' be insane down there you know what I mean you
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didn't bring a camera with you an underwater camera no would have been would have been great I'm not fancy like
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you guys oh yeah right look at you look at you with the fancy fishing Canada hat
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yeah catching 40 lb leg throat and all yeah no drone either I watched your latest episode up in uh esnagi is it
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yeah and uh you had some really cool Drone footage for that show yeah yeah don't tell vaa that we're okay with that
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but don't tell our cameraman that he'll want to race because he's you know I'm trying to cut back uh Patrick yeah you
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know what that's all about cut back speaking of cutbacks uh I I think we
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need to get into a little bit of the subject that uh we intended to talk to
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you coming on board um the print media we talked about this on the last episode that you were on too you know it's
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obviously evolving changing shifting whatever we want to call it has there been any dramatic change in the last 12
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months since we talked in terms of how print is being consumed or or displayed
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and or uh future outlook
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anything uh for us we're pretty much on an even ke
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um carrying right on as we've been touchwood uh interestingly enough uh
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Field and Stream which had stopped its print publication maybe three four three going
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on four years ago they're relaunching a print product uh this year uh they're going to go by annual and they're making
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it um more of a they're trying to present it more like a coffee table kind
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of magazine that you keep around and right and and that looks pretty slick
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they've gone kind of uh retro with it the covers uh no cover lines it's just a
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like old uh illustration fishing and hunting looks pretty cool
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yeah they they kind of when when they uh decided to go digital total digital that was a like a a major event in the print
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industry I mean they were looked upon it like it was it was almost Untouchable and when when they decid when they made
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the announcement it was like such a shock that uh something like that would happen wow but here we are you know is
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outdoor life still out there do they still put a project out or is it PR they do it went uh it was um uh retired at
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the same time Field and Stream okay as of now it doesn't look like it's coming back with a print product wow those were
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our Staples back in our when we were kids right those those oh yeah those two so okay so we find ourselves kind of in
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the same boat uh as yeah it's not just restricted to uh media what's going on no I mean um we find ourselves in the
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same boat in that we're kind of the the last man standing in our business in our industry right in television yep versus
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YouTube right and yeah um so when it we had a discussion about it not too long
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ago we were trying to figure out is this good or bad you know uh it's kind of a
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strange feeling and I'm sure you're you're in the same boat I mean thankfully we're both doing well but
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it's kind of scary to be the last one up you know and you know what and and the the thing is we can be hanging on and
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hanging tough right now but in 20 years when all of our our age group all people that consume TV and consume magazines
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will these 20 you know the 20 year olds of the future will they even want anything to do with it because half of
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them don't want have TVs and half of them don't want to go to the magazine store to buy a magazine right so they get it all online so I don't know it's
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uh it's going to be quite a a future for both Medias I think yep it's it's a
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really interesting time I was just reading today I I still get the newspaper delivered to our door me too
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yes needs an hour and quality of print media and needs an hour and a half on the [ __ ] in the morning that's I'm
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tell you it I can't I can't start my day unless I touch newsprint it's just Hees
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every day just the way it is right yeah yeah so there was a story this morning
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about Vice media I don't know if you're familiar with them um they were in 2017
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they were valued at I think it was3 billion dollars um now they're in they're they're laying
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off 900 people oh my god um having big financial troubles and they had print
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Digital television the whole Suite so you just you just never know wow yeah
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and and and they were geared to the young people so I don't know so you don't to know what's going
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on see see I was gonna ask you that you know it's is it an age thing um which I
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think it is I think television and and print uh I think it it's that older demo
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that just can't let go just just can't you know there are some as in Mr Taylor
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our producer Dean still Dean still likes print as well but Dean reads a lot of
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novels as well too right and and you know physical novels but he does like the magazine we remember I were talking about this yesterday as I I'm old school
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and I love looking at a an outdoor Canada magazine in fisherman magazine something like that I still love that
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Dean's the same way but Dean probably is an anomaly and and how old are you 26 26
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right so I bet you there's not a lot of Deans out there in that sense but no it's sometimes I feel uncomfortable
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for sure about it you know but at the end of the day 26 yeah Jesus damn I
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don't even remember being dude if I doubled that I still got a long way to go God oh my God oh well so it's it's a
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funny thing the dynamic of what's going on in the media landscape it's like for us it's not a lack of eyeballs of
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readers that's not the issue uh it's ad dollars migrating to digital right um
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right and then some have both problems but uh like Vice it must have been an
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issue of uh losing viewership and readership uh because they had the
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digital sphere but then again a lot of the digitals going to the Google and Fa Googles and Facebooks so yeah do you
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think it's uh it's manipulated this this uh this migration
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from analog to digital in terms of media spend um now I go through this all the
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time right I'm I'm constantly trying to evaluate it because we have both I mean we're in a position where we can sit
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back and look at both financials right I can't help but think that it's
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artificially manipulated meaning that it's not based on results necessarily
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but it's just trendy it's the thing to do as a media buyer it's you know either either uh you're ordered to or you need
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to you think that in order for you to do your job properly you just have to move shift your spend from traditional to
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digital more and more every day and if you know looking at results and stuff because once again we look at both of
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them because we are in both of those Arenas I just think sometimes it's just
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a trendy thing to do it has nothing to do on results because I got to tell you I'll be honest with you um not that our
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digital is not performing well in terms of uh yielding uh Roi for our customers
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but TV is still the Superstar I mean honest to God the you can see it you
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know when an episode airs on Saturday you see results on Monday and you can
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pinpoint them to the television product because it's very specific to that
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episode so I I just I think we all kind of rushed and we're I mean listen we're
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we're still it's evolving it's an an an Ever moving Target but I just think we
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we all woke up one day okay okay we have to move to digital everybody's got to go to digital I still think there's a huge
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huge value to traditional media such as newsprint uh magazine uh television
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radio they're still yielding results well yes as you've discovered with your
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um um data that there there is you do have an audience um and and you're right
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it it it seems with the media buyers it's sub it's very subjective and I think it's what they're interested in
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and and they're sorry Dean in their 20s exactly young people and they're making that they're making these buy decisions
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for the clients yep and and they're going they're skewing digital um even
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though we had this battle with print we had we were measured previously by print me measurement Bureau that which turned
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into Vivid data and it was we had the highest readers per copy in Canada at
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one point um we had a huge readership uh according to their their um their
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research methodology yeah but could we get the media buyers to look at this no they'd already made up their minds
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exactly is that funny it's the same thing we go through it's sad when you think about that that statement right there that's pretty sad but but it's
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true and and so I think it's not I think it's a disservice to the to the clients
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to the advertisers exactly if they only knew yeah if they only knew but but you know what and you think about your
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audience like our audience these are guys these are they're they're dedicated Anglers Andor Hunters they're they're a
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a niche audience that we're reaching and that's the that's the guys that the
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advertisers want to reach they don't need to reach anyone else that's not buying a fishing rod or right or a rifle
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right absolutely I don't know I wouldn't think so but apparently that's not the case yeah I was I I I joke but uh we
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have a thing here uh Patrick Dean says book sales are up uh 88.9% doeses that
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does that affect magazine sales in any way shape or form you think people are I there's a correlation
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there to tell you the truth Pete um it's a nice it's a nice uh though right
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unless unless those are you know Kindle kind of books or are they actual I it's paper I think it is paper yeah yeah yeah
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so it's become like trendy on like Instagram and uh Tik Tok and stuff like
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that to post about books there's like a whole Channel dedicated to that so it
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seems like it's picking up steam as kind of like a trendy thing to do right now yeah which is good doesn't matter how
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they do it as long as they do it right yeah yeah that's cool um AI is it
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affecting you has it come into your world yet I know we're getting inundated by it oh he must get hit by it I hope
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not I have to trust that my uh writers are not using it um but do you check do
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you know do you even know how to check not really
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exactly that's true what a how do you know for those that there must be a way to check I don't know I guess you could
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take a sentence and yeah yeah put it on the web and see if it comes gets a match
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but right yeah that would be one way they do make a detector now like a chat GT detector where you can yeah okay
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there you go Pat you got to buy that now there's definitely got to get that so oh gosh so let's just quickly analyze that
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because it's going to affect us if it hasn't affected us already uh it's going to affect both of our worlds very soon
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um is there anything wrong with it and what is it what is wrong with it I edited an article we got submitted um
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that when I got halfway in you could just tell like this wasn't written from experience and I think that's what we
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are doing right like we're writing from experience and that's what makes it important right and when I was when I
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got halfway in to the article we got sent I was like there's no way this person has ever done what they're
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talking about and it ended up it ended up being a robot so I think that's the problem but yeah if you know the writer
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I mean Patrick's got specific writers that he's had for years and I think you'd know their style and You' Patrick
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be like he says he'd be able to sniff that out somehow or other if if they were but you know what I mean you look
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at even imagery nowadays like in in Photoshop so AI is huge in in imagery
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nowadays too you can generate almost anything in these pictures and is it is it uh real or not well does it like Dan
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says does it matter if that if that fish is the subject with the guy holding up fish is a subject and you put a tree in
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the background just for something back there whatever is it that big a deal or not I don't know I mean photoshop's gone
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on forever right Pat I mean there's I can guarantee there's nothing straight out of the camera on a Pat's magazine
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some kind of touchup in there right it has to be there just it's just the way it is there's a little sharpening here there's a little color correction there
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whatever has to happen you know what I mean so that's not real right out of the camera to begin with so how far can you
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go and do people care yeah there there's some photo editing going but we don't embellish like right put a larger in
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someone's hands they that kind of yeahor Correction like and I do with on the TV
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show our editors put always put bigger fish on our I always give him the bigger fish but we touch up our stuff I don't
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think it's a big secret we have a whole color correction process in in our post production you so so really is it any
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different than AI I don't know I don't know well I think so because with AI it it's it's not a person doing it it's a
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computer um Pro program and it does lack that that human element of say for
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example you have a you're writing about your a latest trip uh you're going to
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talk about your own experience and that's something I don't think AI can impart right right yeah um exactly and
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and'll in and in you know deeper insights and philosophies and stuff you
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want to weave through your Narrative of your story or your show uh I as I can
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see it so far AI is unable to do that to give that kind of human element that
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extra little bit well to de's point you know it hasn't
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experienced that particular story right it just right so so it's hard if you
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haven't experienced it it's hard to uh sometimes capture the magic of the moment MH you know but from all accounts
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AI is doing a pretty damn good job of it I'm telling you I prob probably there's people that will they they'll do a kind
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of a I guess a melting of some Ai and then mix their own stuff right right
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looked that to me it's just it's just I don't know lazy yeah kind too bad
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I'll tell you where I'll tell you where though guys we go I'll go back to the uh the photography part of it where I AI I
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think is very handy and it's it's more for workflow than anything else is Corrections and stuff like that like
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clone so in Photoshop you got to get rid of a line a telephone lines or what whatever it may be in that sense you can
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you know you select your area boom you hit generate and it generates instantly for you where you could take an hour or
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two to clone that same do that same job because you didn't want that in there you know what I mean so it does I think
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it has a good spot in certain aspects but to generate a tiger behind you in
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the in uh Toronto or something like that okay that's not right either so there is a use for and I think that you know the
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corrections the cloning and stuff like that to me it's it's handy in that sense yeah
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so oh yeah I mean beyond beyond journalism I guess there's all kinds of
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uh important uh applications for AI especially in medicine and things like that but in terms of creative arts I
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don't know yeah yeah yeah it's a it's going to listen it it's evolving so quickly as we're speaking probably
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something else is already rearing you head to take over from you
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to the show uh question for you uh when you get
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a story sent to you I'm assuming that a lot of the stuff that you print in Outdoor Canada magazine is submitted
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well let me take it back maybe I shouldn't assume are all the stories that appear in an issue of outdoor can
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Canada magazine are they commissioned by you or do these stories sometimes just show up out of the blue and you say oh
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my God what a great story yeah well as a policy we say we do
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not accept already completed manuscripts uh okay mostly because we just don't have the time to read everything that
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comes over the transom um so our policy is send us a a query an email briefly
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describing what your article idea is where it would fit in the magazine and why you're the person to write it um
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that said I have received stuff unsolicited manuscripts from from people
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who aren't professional writers they don't know any better right um and if I have time I'll I'll give it I'll read
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the first couple of sentences and once in a while um I go oh that's actually
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quite good and keep reading and then go you know what I can work with this and I'll reach out to the writer and work I
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just edited a piece now from a young woman here in Ontario about just writing
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about the philosophy of hunting uh and uh it came in unsolicited and it was
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very good and um it's going to be in the next issue of the magazine wow amazing I don't know if you remember Patrick not
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exception to the rule but I used to uh in my early 20s when I was out of school I used to submit articles to probably
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every week for like four years and he and he turned you down I eventually got published in uh
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2021 and then it pretty much two months after that applied here and got hired here and I used that as like okay now
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that that that I'm connecting those dots now yeah yeah F socle so if anybody gets
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published from Patrick you might get a job at fishing Canon after that no no or anybody who doesn't get published at Pat
54:23
Patrick's can come and apply here cuz obviously our standards are much lower um so for any uh folks who are
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listening that you know are wab be writers or aspire to someday uh be read in um I mean
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obviously Outdoor Canada magazine is setting the standards pretty high if they're looking to be published in that
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magazine but but just publish in general is there anything that you can sort of give them that might help them uh
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develop a style or maybe a a way of getting their foot in the door in the
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business yeah I think my best advice to anyone aspiring writer especially if
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they want to write for periodicals and they have a specific periodical magazine newspaper whatever in mind is to study
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that publication see what kind of stories they publish the style of writing that
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appears in that publication and uh another thing is if
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for magazine for example don't swing for the fences don't pitch for your first
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pitch oh I want to write a 5,000-word story on X subject instead look at magazines they have have all these
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little departments some 100w articles 200 words look at those little bits because those are Al often the hardest
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parts of the magazine for the editors to fill and if you can fill that Niche for them uh then they get to know you they
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get to know your writing style and uh you get your foot in the door that way start small
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so start small I'd be I'd be a good one paragraph story guy you be the best it'd
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be pretty good hey Pat how's that working out for you how good let's do that again you know they say it's it's
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harder to write short than long yes true there you go very true what about Pat can you can you say on a podcast or
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whatever is there uh obviously people get paid for this stuff so is there a a
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standard a a standard is there a number what kind of person expect for a small little 500 word or 200 word is there a
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way you can you even say that maybe you can't say it publicly I don't know but yeah couple hundred bucks it's it's
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um our pay has stagnated in fact gone backwards uh it's kind of I guess
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emblematic of the state of the industry right now in print where time was we'd
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pay 50 75 or a buck a word for articles
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uh oh wow back when we were flush and you know because of the struggles of the
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migration of AD dollars we just don't have the editorial budgets we once had to pay pay that and it's kind of a sad
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State of Affair because back in the 60s top topnotch writers were getting a buck a word in the late 60s early 70s in
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magazines and it never really grew from that and consequently it's very hard for
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magazines without a budget to attract you know name writers quality journalist
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writers and and a lot of those guys uh people are are moving to
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corporate gigs that kind of thing to make a living you know it's funny because we're much the same in our
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industry back in the 60s 7s 80s mid90s uh it was a great industry I mean
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people were were making good bucks right um but it went it it some where and and
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obviously it's easy for us just to point it at the internet right that's the easy thing to to say happen but something
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happened where it started going backwards and and you just use that same terminology going backwards and and
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that's not I don't think that's happening everywhere is it something that's just in the outdoors uh media you
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think oh no I I would say it it's in certainly in the magazine industry it's
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everywhere you look at Rogers media for example they were the king they had mlan
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today's parent all kinds of well-known magazines and they're they've sold them
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all to other companies and those magazines
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are certainly not as robust as they once they were like you talking like
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140 plus Pages they're now you know 68
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72 oh um and it's it's the whole industry it's not just the outdoors okay
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so it's just it's it's and print too for that matter and print print it sounds like it's anything analog is that a
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trend is that a trend maybe no kidding what about if if an and I went out in
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beautiful Northern Ontario we got the best picture of uh cougar in the world
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beautiful mountain lion shot submit it to you for a cover what would a guy get
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for a cover image MoneyWise oh Sandra our art director it depends I
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think she's paying now about $400 for a cover shot okay so you're not going to
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get rich yeah yep y i lik where you were going with that though yeah cougar you and I cougar hun is that what you're
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thinking telling you right now a mountain line quickly I loved it I'm disappointed it's only 400 bucks but you
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know what sometimes you can't do it for money I think i' do that for free going to Cougar Hunting no problem
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it cost you a lot in the long run that's for sure uh speaking of hunting uh we're
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on the cusp of another turkey season coming up and I know you're a big turkey hunter um anything new in that the sound
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effect perfect ventriloquist over here uh
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what's going on that uh part of the the hunting world uh no change really I I although I
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do hope this year um to join my publisher Mark yel out west uh to go
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after Miriam's turkey turkey Horizons get a different subspecies what is that yeah tell us
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about that Miriam's turkey well there's I think there's five species of turkey
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in North America and it's a goal for a lot of turkey hunters to get one of each
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the turkey slam uh I've only the ones we have in Ontario are Eastern turkeys so
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I've had plenty of those uh I just thought it'd be fun to try something different hunting a different geography
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yeah uh get it it's all the same principles at least for mirams as it is for Eastern they their tail feathers are
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just a different color when they fan is the main difference you can tell between
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the two species and are they they're just prevalent in the western provinces uh they're in um Alberta and
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BC and uh for the most part and then into the states wow never heard of Western States
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learn something you every day whatever turkeys otherwise we got plants our hunting editor Ken Bailey is coming out
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again and we hunt out Greeno swamp area with our buddy Timmy and then I have uh
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my traditional opening turkey opener with my good friend Rob pie over at watersheds Canada nice good stuff good
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stuff I was going to ask can can these can these subspecies of turkeys could they interbreed or they stay totally
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away from each other could you get AC cross I yeah I've heard of the mirams in the Easterns having a a a hybrid okay uh
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so I don't see why not yeah right just like fish will mix up sometimes so
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sometimes not very often but sometimes when's the uh next big fishing trip uh actually my wife and I are going
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down to Fort Meyers on Sunday good I've got two charters booked what uh what do
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you what are you fishing for uh sea trout grouper
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pompo uh snook and redf fish I believe yeah nice
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um I'm fishing for biters spoken like the Patrick Walsh
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that I know and love yeah for sure anything going on in Canada you doing any trips this coming year I don't have
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oh yes I am I'm silly me I'm following your footsteps I'm going to the mirror machine in October to try my hand
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stripers good for you love it love it oh my God it's going to be a you've never
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done it before no no not stripers just the salmon so you are going to
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absolutely fall in love with that fishery I'm telling you it's going to be look amazing I'm really want to get them
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on top too with we're I'm going to be fly doing a fly fishing program with uh John Cleveland from EP Ander lures we've
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done a few trips together in the past so right he's a lot of fun to fist with he's so know we both said uh last
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October when we were fishing down there that a fly would would have done really well when we were smashing on top water
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baits a big Gody fly here's a little tip that I learned after the fact right so
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we were uh set up we were shooting an episode we were set up um in a location
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we were locked in with the trolling motor and we were surrounded by by big
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stripers and so I I think we're both using a top Wier
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baiter I was using a top wider bait Pete was using a just a subsurface bait but anyways I I started um finding out that
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if you if you just leave the bait in the current and just twitch it right the top
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water bait they'll come up and just smack it but they weren't hitting and you could see these big Tails he Pete
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coming up and smacking at the like The Lure would fly L was flying in the air and I'm frustrating as hell and you had
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to really really really work it a long time before you got a hookup I found out after the fact that what I should have
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been doing is that when they smack it with their tail I should have let the
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bait drop back five or 10 feet because what they're doing is is that's how they
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feed is they go into a a ball of bait and they smack their tail and then drop
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back and pick up the ones that were stunned that are drifting down the current but I was keeping it in the same spot so those poor bass were smacking
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and say okay what's going on here how come this thing is dropping back so remember that if you if you get a hit I
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will yeah if you get a hit Let It Drop back a few feet and apparently the fish
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will be right on it instantly we got some good footage though but you doing that we got some good footage of that
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got some footage was just and that water Pat was in the 40s so 40 Fahrenheit something like that so don't be don't be
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afraid if you're seeing 40 something degrees on the well I mean sure you're going to have a guide or something there anyways but it was pretty amazing when
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we looked at that water temperatures and we thought there's no way top water's going to work and then all of a sudden clunk and they were just onto it it was
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it was cool there's the the big Striper Cup goes on in September just uh little
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earlier on and it's spectacular too just to see all those boats out there pounding stripers it's great man what
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have you been uh you haven't been for the spring either right the Spring Run of stripers no no that's pretty cool
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yeah it's great they I mean they have to obviously diversify their sport fishing offerings decline in Salmon so it's not
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a it's not a bad thing with the stripe stripers are pretty amazing looking fish you're going to like it and by the way
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make sure you sample some of it on the table oh yes when you're down there because oh boy you are in for a treat
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good really Absol treat um looking forward to it next magazine issue comes
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out when we're working on our May June issue now and it comes out mid April mid April
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available at all the leading Outlets that have your publication print that you can touch and feel yeah baby and
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enjoy and then and then and it's got so many other uses when you're done with it there's the tons of other things you
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could do with paper that you can't do without do say I light my fires in my
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fireplace sometimes as one angry reader once said me said to me I'm using this
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to line my bird cage bird cage wonderful what are all the bird cage guys going to
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do without a print uh Patrick always a joy to have you uh on the program uh how come people
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follow you get a hold of you where do they find you they can find me on Twitter or Instagram at outdoor Walsh
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outdoor Walsh there you goal find me there and then all the links are there let us know how you make out down East I
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certainly will all right thanks Buddy Bud take care than Patrick Walsh editor and chief Outdoor Canada magazine
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Canada's only uh a national outdoor product left they're kind of like us yes
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sir read it every month every every issue not every month not every month it used to be I think years I should have
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asked them yeah they've changed that Dro down a few issues but I wonder if they're going to ever have to go to uh sorry to interrupt there but this like
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the Field and Stream thing there do one or one or a one of or two of for a year or something like that uh you know
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that'd be a shame it would be a shame it' be a shame that might have been the most and and and write in and let us
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know if I'm right was that the most subdued interview we've ever done it's
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the most subdued Patrick Walsh we've ever seen w we ever seen I was going to make a comment very mellow yeah like he
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was like chilling man he was like uh good for him I want to be that one day I
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I grew up I want to be the M for sure along with you along with everybody I want to be every anybody but me well
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trust us we all want you to be anybody but you as well so just just to let you [Laughter]
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know all right then on that note I think uh we're going to call today want to remind folks fishing canada.com the
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Gateway the portal to your next fishing Adventure awaits you with all kinds of goodies not the least of which of course
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not bad either exactly on behalf of the entire uh crew
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uh vaa over there behind the camera uh uh I was going to call him Vinnie uh
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Nikki my cousin Vinnie Nikki busy busy doing this thing on the phone and of
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course as we saw today the lovely The Talented Dean Taylor come on now himself
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in a beautiful uh he's like he's got an a complete ensem going he's got the the
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shirt and the hat going he's got everything going he's probably got the pants the underwear all fishing can
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underwear oh boy and my wonderful co-host Peter Bowman I'm Ang Biola thanks for joining us folks catch you
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