Three Weeks in the Backcountry | Outdoor Journal Radio ep. 145

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[Music] so the pilot lands is on this Lake that has no name and he goes okay the fires
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aren't here yet so but use your sat communication to call me in if you need help thank goodness we have that right
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because you know but what happened was we had to alter our plan I didn't know anywhere we were going and I drove me
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insane that I didn't have any control over this trip but what happened and you love this part is that the portages that
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were supposed to be cut that he found in an old book didn't exist imagine this it took us six days to travel four
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kilometers holy SM oh boy oh boy we have
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got a great show today a good friend of ours will be joining us Kevin Kalen the happy camper oh my God and that scares
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the hell out of you because all you're thinking is oh my God I'm in the middle of nowhere This is the End right this is
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going to this is it for me the only anxiety was at night when you're worried
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about the fires coming [Music] there was one night where the moon came up and it was a fire moon but we
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actually thought it was the forest Ting obviously when you're that deep
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into it uh any wild animal stories did you see anything hear anything so I
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could not fathom what this thing was I went back and talked to some biologists and they're like yeah that we have no
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clue what you just saw oh wow that's really
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destination for your Outdoor Adventures well hello everybody thank you once again for joining us Outdoor
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Journal radio the podcast uh Peter Bowman hello and Viola switch it to Ang
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I'm I'm going to shorten it up Ang Biola it just sounds kind of because it's been so no just because we Angela was eted
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into our minds the more authorative like it's more complete isn't it it's like you want
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when you hear that you you you kind of want to pay attention there's a bunch of
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thank you uh Jim I won't even blame Dean for that one that was Jim coming coming at you live there this is what I live
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with folks every day of my life except when I'm off which is not near enough
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there's a bunch of B that too yeah Jim Gunda is on to you buddy
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he's on to you oh boy oh boy uh we have got a great show today a good friend of
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ours will be joining us after his absence Dean how long has it been since he's it's been two years episode 64 44
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44 I yeah oh yeah 44 yeah don't let accuracy stand in the way of 100
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episodes ago 100 episodes ago um Kevin Ken the happy camper will be joining us
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uh with some interesting news he's also he's a character man he's a character just came back from a an insane trip I'm
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dying to hear about he he did one of those once in a lifetime even for him
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yeah as hardcore as he is page I think they Portage something like 200 miles or
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some stupid thing like that I don't I don't even know anyways he's an awardwinning National magazine uh editor
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writer uh he's written books 18 books actually so he's a quite an accomplished
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author He's listed as one of the this is interesting top 100 modern-day explorers
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by the Canadian geographical Society wow I didn't even know that existed wonder if they rate US at us anything they do
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the Canadian geographical I'm guarantee you they rate you guarantee you what do they rate me Angelo what's the category
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and what's my number an R rating they give you an R rating do not go camping with that guy Parental Guidance
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rating uh so yeah he'll be joining us in a couple of minutes and and if it's any anything like previous trips for Ken to
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join us it usually will be a long one he's got some great stories yeah but he's always going he keeps you
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interested right he's he's he's a good speaker uh first fishing Canada the store shop. fishing canada.com the
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goodies the new stuff uh is there now uh as we speak I
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know the new stuff I'm just pointing cuz I'm I'm hoping they can insert the new stuff no it's not even
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here yet I just saw it the other day oh my God I saw the artwork and uh yeah I'm liking it it's uh God the boys did a
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great job on that absolutely outstanding that is going to be award-winning merchandise let me tell you right now
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wow me the national Canadian geographical Society is going
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to hoodies in the world I'm predicting that I'm predicting that right now nice
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uh along with all kinds of other things not the least of which are great bonus offers right now buy this get that and
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do this get that like just really really it's an exciting time to go to uh shop.
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fishing canada.com or fishing.com store and and it's also getting close to
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Christmas as we record this so that's a you know I mean it might be a good little stop over for you to get a couple
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of presents for somebody for yourself it's the gateway to your next Michigan B
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that's it keep that up for you well thank you I appreciate that Dino I really do sometimes you don't think I do
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but I I do uh listener feedback uh this is an interesting
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one look at that picture there he is there's the feedback right there uh listener feedback from Cody goodchild
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via Facebook Cody just we just had the thing from Bo Cody didn't we Dean I think that sounds very familiar good
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child good anyway sorry Cody if you didn't but if you did good man goodchild
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says if you had cronzy on on every week
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we would all watch every week what do you does he mean the Outdoor Journal uh
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Radio podcast or or does he comment I think he commented on our last podcast
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the Moose it was the Moose podcast yeah I think he did yeah that name's familiar but anyways I wonder if Cody if you're
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uh if you're listening here you mean the fishing Canada show or the are the YouTube uh version of this show so I was
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talking to Daryl about two weeks ago oh boy oh God come on you got to let us all
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in on this I you know we we talk once every couple of months three months
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sometimes six months it will go by and we don't but generally every couple of months uh we have chats and it's funny
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because first of all Daryl has the mannerism
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of I don't know a slate Rock he's not the goat it's a goat he's got the
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mannerism of a goat he's got of a goat thank you like it's not hey how you
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doing what's going on oh right off the hop right I pick up the phone I know it's him obviously I pick up the phone
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say hello so remember that he does that
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every time he never that's one thing about Daryl he never says hi hey how you doing buddy never whoa already the best
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I say no no no pissing around for darl hi Daryl how are you doing okay but
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anyway so when we were and he's just going I don't like I said I love about him in a way so he's unique that's for
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sure I have to take a rest after I get off the phone with I need I need time off like 15 20 minutes to recover ah God
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bless him wonderful guy he um he obviously you know he it'd be great to
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have him on the show on a regular basis even but the problem is Daryl is so far
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removed from anything that looks smells feels has a texture of work that you
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possibly imagine yeah if it could be work he want to do it cuz I'll tell you
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what would he ever be good in our podcast Network imagine him had his own show if you could get him to you know
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submit a bunch of stuff I've asked him a million he he'd have a he'd have one Wicked ass podcast for sure he won't he
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won't do it I'm going to ask him again the hell with it now that Cody I tell him that Cody goodchild wants to have
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his own Shan just call him president good child he'll say who you think he's got some royalty or something going on
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there then it be good okay uh thank you Cody we'll pass that on to our good friend Daryl cronzy conservation Corner
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Mr Bowman please our uh our constant talk our constant reminders to everybody
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about about the uh the grass carp one of four uh species of Asian carp is uh is
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our big concern and as well with the invasive species Center is brought to you by the invasive species that's right
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that's where we're doing this right we're trying to work in conjunction with them um and trust us it's yeah we're
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working with them but this is a concern to an and I and it should be a concern to everybody in the uh in the world of fishing and in the world of cottaging in
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the world of anything that you're do with the with water um these these fish are out there and there's a possibility
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of them coming here right now the grass carp obviously is this Hoover he eats Up the Weed he eats up the Aquatic V
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vegetation eats up Zoo Plank and eats up everything that our fish need to keep them going so uh about 40 uh% of its
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body weight in fact is consumed on a daily BAS so if you had 10,000 of these fish in a body water and they were only
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you know 5 lb each uh that is a lot I can't do the math on that one uh without
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about pound two maybe but that would be a lot of vegetation that's going to be eaten on a daily basis so you can see
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why the concern is there by the authorities and it should be by us as well uh we need to be vigilant the best
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thing we can do is arm ourselves with the knowledge arm ourselves with first of all being able to to
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identify these Critters because they're not easy to identify carp is carp is carp to most people and this is just one
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of many species of carp uh you need to learn how to identify this Critter and
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uh the best place to do that Mr Bowman Asian car.can carp.com the imagery and put it
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in your see cuz that right there that's confusing to me that picture right there that that kind of looks like a Cisco to
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me or something like that you know what I mean so you got to really get these pictures down pictures look at them closely and then obviously you're not
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going to mistake a Cisco for an Asian cart but it just I'm just saying that kind of looks uh you know unfamiliar to
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me so what we've done is actually taken an image off of their site uh Asian
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car.can idea and we're going to do this going to do this is that on our Garmin units you can add images in your Garmin
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units you can you can what we're going to put a couple of images of grass carp
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wow on our garment so that you don't have to look at your phone or anything like that wow image Dean did you know
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that I didn't know that like how does he get this information without us knowing I don't know they must be sending them
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notes wow give me a now for me to follow through with that is a whole different
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story Dean do you remember 3 years go when Bowman said he was going to put that image on that fish finder for you
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oh my God that would be a great idea to do that and then and then I will let you in on uh the uh the laminated laminator
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machine that the CEST of Santa stesh has stored away in a secret place I won't need it now she doesn't want it used I
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need it mine's going to be more waterproof than yours it's going to be right in that waterproof garment unit that's a good point good point uh in the
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news if you haven't seen this story this broke uh nationally on Main stream media
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which is you know pretty unusual that it jumps on anything outdoors mainstream media I'm talking about uh but this
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broke on mainstream media uh about the 3,000 tags that are left unclaimed each
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year in Ontario moose tags moose tags yeah well what other tags are there Deer tags right Deer tags tags for turkeys
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tags I should have some of those here where can I get where could I get turkey tags because I I'm in need of about a
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dozen of them around here so there's one right there he's the king turkey thank you and he sounds like one
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he acts like like one I pretty much am one just so let everybody know uh this was originally reported uh by
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sudbury.com before it went mainstream uh the province Implement well first of all
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Dean correct me if I'm wrong because you were a resident moose expert moose hunting expert from what I have you ever
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been moose hunting I moose hunt a lot but I never get a tag so you've never got a tag I get a I I used to get calf
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tag tags all the time cuz that was like the uh like the default so have they done officially done away with that yeah
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2021 they they swi that yeah God thank God but anyways I guess they they all they have a certain number of tags and
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those tags uh are based on the population density in those areas
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because obviously every area has a different population density of moov So
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based on that area they'll say you know and I don't even know what the numbers are we had some folks on the program here a few weeks ago a few episodes ago
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kind of detailing a study that they're working on to fine-tune those counts but let's just say you know whatever there's
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100 moose determined to be in a in a certain area then they'll say well you know what we can comfortably Harvest 12
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of those moose a year so we're going to allocate 12 tags to this area in the
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hopes that um well I shouldn't say in the hopes but the theory behind this
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type of allocation is that not all those 12 tags are going to yield a harvest
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loose cuz you're not you're not and not everybody's successful at exactly so and I don't know what the percentage is but
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let's just for the sake of AR going to say 50% is Dean is this just Bulls is it cows or this is all of them Al and calfs
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too yep there's some yeah yeah there are some calf tags so they just go along the
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assumption that uh a certain percentage of these tags are going to be are going
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to yield a harvested m right well they're finding out now that not only is that not happening but these tags aren't
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even being claimed and maybe you can further enhance that yeah so in 2020 so
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before 2021 you just applied for a Moose tag and then it was like random allocation
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they called it and if you weren't successful in that so if you weren't successful in getting either a bull tag or a cow tag you got a calf tag just as
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like do you know how they did that was it like a draw of I was going to say is this like your 45 gallon
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same idea they have one of those that's where you got the idea put it in there and then you reach in you pull it out
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and say okay I I got it all right but uh so I guess they were getting a lot of complaints cuz people who had like been
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applying every year they were just not successful ever and they would just stop like hunting pretty much so in
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2021 they implied like a point system where when you're not successful in a
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Moose Draw you acquire another point for next year so essentially you get your name in the Hat makes it easier makes it
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easier to get a tag this if you're not successful okay should you should you not be doing that for the contest the do
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fishing canada.com you're not sucessful you get more entries yeah yeah that's kind of nice actually I think that'd be
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a great idea everybody who doesn't win a nice Garmin uh unit uh for example or
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one of those Mercury Motors that are being put up in the site now or or any if you don't win you're going to give
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them an extra I don't know and if you win the contest you can still come back again but your odds are way down yeah we
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just take away from you then yeah I love that idea that's that's a good idea actually yeah make it all even it's like
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Tim bits hockey everybody wins yeah there shouldn't be any sense of failures but there are some issues here that
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they're finding so we may oh okay sorry I was just thinking go ahead so you're saying so essentially right now they do
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an initial draw where everyone with points applies theoretically the people with the most points would get their option
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at the at the tag right if you don't claim your tag it goes back into the pot
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um and then there's a second draw where uh you don't lose your points if you get
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a tag there so in the first round if you take your tag now your points are gone
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you get your right like so so you get your tag for this year that somebody else can get
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exactly but for the second draw if you take your tag there which is all the tags that are left over you don't lose
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your points and and if you're successful y so you
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claim your tag Y and you're successful mhm then your chances of getting another
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tag in the next couple of years is like is slim to none yeah pretty much okay but if you claim your tag and you don't
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Harvest a moose you're still okay next year you'll probably get a tag again no it's all
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about claiming the tag so some people will be like so let's say I was successful this year and then I found
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out we're in New Brunswick in in October and I and and I know I'm not going to be able to hunt I can decline to claim the
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tag and then my points are safe but now the tag that I would have had goes back into the pot for the second round of
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people that's that's what they're trying to get now or is that that's what that's what is happening now happening now okay but the problem that they're having now
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is that in the second draw you don't have to actually claim your tag until
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the moose season starts but what they're having happen is these tags are sitting
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there all year and then when the moose season starts people don't claim them and then there's all these tags left
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over that no one's using which in this case was 3,000 tags wow which is unfair
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to those that want to hunt right it's very fair for the Moose I'll tell you the Moose the Moose should get together in high five the whoever made wow
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Bullwinkle love that what I think what I think's happening is probably people are getting their friends who are not that
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active into hunting to apply like hoping to just increase the odds and then these people aren't
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checking up on if they're getting tags or not I'm not going to mention any names wow but the reason I was asking
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those questions because it seems to me I've got people that I [Music]
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know that seem to get moose tags every year is that is that possible yeah if
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you're applying to like way Northern Ontario right there's tons of tags up there and you can probably get one like
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even like I don't want to say specific zones but there there's certain zones that if you're willing to travel up
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there you'll get a Moose tag you'll just get one yeah pretty much whereas the U areas that have maybe smaller
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populations of moose and maybe more density in terms of of uh human beings
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yeah probably your chances of getting a lot of tags is Slim to n yeah exactly
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you're all fighting for like you know a handful of tags yeah travel I mean even travel time would make a sense those
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ones that you're talking about that are easy that's a two-day drive to get up there probably right like we do even more whatever like whereas you can go to
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a bankr here in 2 hours sort of thing like that and if there's moose around bankr I'm assuming there is but and and
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these 3,000 tags are they from all over the province or is there one geographical area yes they're from all
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over so that's why it's a little misleading cuz you know this may be some people who are applying to the north and they're getting a tag and then they're
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like there's no way I'm getting up there in October like I can't like I'm just not going to be up there some of these tags are also for like cows and calf so
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maybe people applied and they got a calf tag and then they just never claimed it because they don't want it but they have
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announced that quite a few of these tags are bull tags in prime hunting areas so
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like these are tags that people would have wanted they're just not being claimed huh I can't even imagine does do
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you know if this goes on in other provinces if they have this issue at all I don't know I like when I lived in BC a
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Moose tag was over the counter so no kidding yeah you just bought it like a
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not a draw but they must have had a certain number they couldn't just keep selling them they well I think you
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probably like so like in the case of deer down here you don't have to apply for a draw you can just buy a tag over
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the counter still yep and that's probably because they look at the number of hunters the number of deer and figure
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even if every single Hunter bought a tag it wouldn't make a dent in this thing we just have so many deer that's what I'm
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assuming is probably happening but for moose that's just not the case like if every hunter in Ontario wanted to hunt a
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moose we'd have some serious problems right right yeah this is interesting it
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does seem that there is a lot more deer hunters that say than moose Hunters out there oh yeah for sure well get easier
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less expensive closer like there's all kinds of uh well boy I'll tell you what that's I think you and I need to maybe
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go up and see we can check one of them out we might want to learn how to shoot a gun first we'll hire somebody we'll
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just go watch Hitman a moose Hitman
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uh well there's Dean's job Dean can shoot it for us well do you know how many I think I could pop one pretty good I think I I used to be good with a rifle
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I don't know whether I could I I I often fantasize over that hunt whole hunting
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thing I've told you that before yeah but and not there's anything wrong with it in fact get me one of them babies I'll
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chew that baby up all the time but but but I think I'd have a hard time pulling that trigger yeah yeah yeah if I was if
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I was designated if I was in my mind I was going to shoot a moose I could do it but and I feel I feel like I'd be accurate enough with a gun I don't know
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like a bow those bow Hunters those guys are good they're skilled I mean not to say gun Hunters are aren't skilled
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either but that b thing man that's you got to be really close and I'd like to send you in there with a loin cloth and
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a jack knife You' just like to see me in a loin claw that's all sick son of a
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uh fed question of the week K is brought to you by fishfindermounts.com
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hello yes sir somebody uh somebody sent me a message the other day that saw a I
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don't even know where they saw an image of uh our boat from this year and said
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what in the hell are you guys up to now he says are you electroshocking those
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fish I what are you talking about he said I just saw an image of your boat your shooting boat this year you got
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probes hanging out all over the place on this day so I explain it to him that those in fact are the Fishfinder uh
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mounts.com uh apparatuses that we use to hang our Garmin
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transducers that's correct God he really thought I'll tell you what it does look
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pretty as a matter of fact it's funny you're saying this because I'm I'm writing one of the Articles uh and I was
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getting the imagery and we talked about it on one of the shows so I thought okay I'm going to and I looked at an aerial view of our boat and it's like oh my God
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an aerial view that he saw he says are you guys shocking fish oh my God he says cuz there's a picture out there I he
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didn't tell me where he got it but he must have got it off somewhere so I'm are you guys electroshocking fish now
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that is funny we're not it's fishfindermounts.com and if you want to get more information on uh on what we're
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doing go check them out it uh it has certainly changed the way we use sonar
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and electronics and everything on our boat uh even even to the mounting apparatuses for the screens of which now
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we have to have God forbid you know can you have one screen on the boat we have that four screens on the boat so uh you
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need ways of hanging those screens on your boat man and that's what fishfindermounts.com does and it does it
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very very eloquently I add come on now conveniently anyways this question is
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from Nino from Ontario via email info@ fishing canada.com uh is the easiest
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probably the easiest way to do it you can do it through Facebook or fishing Canada Instagram as well I wish I could do that what's that just what you just
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said I wish like oh okay you want me to do I I don't even know how you do so if
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you had to get through to something somehow somewhere I could you're a
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single man and there's a hot girl and she says Angelo get through my Instagram
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wait a minute wait a minute how you doing wait a minute I resemble that remark
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exactly anyways Nino's question is not Nuno right Nuno one of my favorite guitar players Nuno bet and by the way
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just to let you know who the hell is that oh my God he's such a anybody you want to watch a good guitar player old
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school no okay hardcore metal and all that stuff no band extreme they play
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everything like that but there's more of a rock kind but anyway the guy's just out one of the best guitar players in
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the world still oh boy but but no but older school not the new kids coming up and all that this guy's so he's little older our age no he's not our age but
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he's just he old school player oh a song by Nuno betan court that you can listen
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to is a song called get the funk out oh I and his Solo in that song will tell
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you everything you need to hear about that guitar player right there there you go there's my you getting a kickback from that no I I just Nuno is he's good
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just curious cuz if you are I'm not complaining angel I would like a little piece ofun go
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here Nino's question was I was fishing Lake St Clair for the first time and I
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was just wondering how it works when you're fishing close to borders so Lake St Clair is on the US Canada Border what
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are the rules of when someone from Canada fishes close to the United States or even fishing close to a neighboring
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Province do you need to buy an American license or even a non-residential license to be on the safe side that's a
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great question great question one that we have a bit of experience with for example both those
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examp St Lawrence River uh obviously runs through both Canada and us W and so
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we we usually play it safe and get an American license as well as obviously
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the Canadian or I shouldn't say that Canadian there's no such thing the Ontario and Quebec license if we're
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going to go all the way down at the other end uh you can do all this stuff online now so the nice thing about that
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is that it's you you can make those decisions almost on the water right and we take it one step further in in that
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area um and keep in mind most of the map images that you get on your sonar units
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nowadays have got a clear line where so you can't gone are the days where you
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can say well I how do you know if you're on the American side well let me tell you if you don't know you're Ray Charles
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that's all I can tell you because they're very very clearly marked and identified and so you just pick up the
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phone and then you call them and within I don't know three and a half minutes you got a license number that will allow
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you to fish in those jurisdictions that you otherwise can't right and that and what Angelo is ultimately saying is that
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if you are going to the US fishing in US Waters over that borderline you need that State's license so be it where he
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said uh Lake St Clair so is that Michigan is that Michigan Michigan so you would need a Michigan license along
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with your Ontario License even if you're fishing it for 1 hour you you don't take the chance you got you cross that border
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you have to have that license curious though if if you don't catch a fish and
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you're not fishing you're cool yep like they can't just like the US Coast Guard
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or whoever they deploy if there's somebody breaking the lawn or what like
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they can't just come and question you and then charge you if you're on American Water you're boating only well
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I'm I'm boating I'm I'm on the trolling motor I've got a rod in my hand I guess like at what point would you
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be breaking the law you have to have a fish in your possession no as long as you're fishing the angling the you need
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a fishing license so if you're fishing you're breaking the law if you don't have a license I have a ride in my hand I'm standing on deck of the boat and I'm
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on the trolling motor and I'm looking for stuff I'm fishing is your your Line's not in the water you're no I'm
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looking for stuff F line I guess I don't know maybe I would say why wouldn't you just drop
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your rod down on the boat and have it sitting beside you like that and look at well okay so whether I have it in my hand or sitting here beside is am I
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fishing or am I not fishing you'd have a discussion with the Old Co on that one or they a DNR guy see here's my point
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I'm trying to make don't try and pull one off like I just mention the scenario if you're
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heading to the US from Canadian water with the intention that if things work out you're going to be fishing just get
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a license get your license it's not the end of the world and one one step f further on that one on the Canada US you
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do not need your US passport or your Canadian passport a passport to go across under the US Waters no you can
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fish with your license you don't need your passport however you touch land over there you need your passport big so
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keep that in mind too you don't have to have your passport on you I forgot my passport no you can fish without your passport as long as you have the license
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the other part of that question which is very interesting is province borders Ottawa river is a perfect example Quebec
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one side Ontario the other side if you're an Ontarian and you have an Ontario Fishing License you can fish the
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Quebec side you can fish all Waters and and I'm sure it's vice versa I'm not going to don't quote me on that I know
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as an Ontarian we can fish in the Quebec side and I think it's a reciprocal thing with the with the governments however
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that's in a boat on Shore if you were an Ontarian you went over and you fished off the shoreline of Quebec you need a
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license you need to have a license for that you need to buy that uh non-resident license I guess like that so you have to keep that in mind too
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yeah sometimes it's a bit of a slippery slope getting back to the St Lawrence for example sometimes there are hidden
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jurisdictions that require licenses as well oh yeah uh us usually First Nations
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communities uh we've had to buy four licenses in that tournament we had Ontario New York Quebec and First
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Nations okay in that tournament and if correct me if I'm wrong but is there not two separate First Nations jurisdictions
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one up and one down no I don't think there was I think there was I love the way they come up to you though in the boat they got that they got the best
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boat on the whole river man I'll tell you what you think the cops got good boats no the first nation's got the best boats going they just come up to you
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they say hey you got your first nation's license we say uh yes you do you show it or say no no we don't okay uh give me
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your money you buy it right there it's like $10 or $20 license or something like that it was great but it was so
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funny seeing that and now the other thing about going back to that very quickly that we needed four licenses but
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again it's a bordering water Ontario Quebec we didn't need the license to fish in Quebec we needed the license to
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weigh our fish in Quebec cuz the uh site the tournament site was in Quebec so we had to bring our bass into that on land
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so we had to have a license for that so just check the rules they're very well documented on uh the various websites
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that represent the jurisdictions and and like I said most of them it's a real
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simple phone call away and you're licensed they they and uh Jamie ptii one of our cter he says that if you're
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fishing a Back Bay you're an Ontarian and you're way back in the back Bays of Quebec he says you might get hassled by
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the by the Quebec CEO is over there he says you better watch yourself but you'll probably get out of it but he said if you're in there pretty deep
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watch yourself so all right as promised you know him as the happy camper we know
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him as Kevin Kalen um he is you know to say he's the consumate Outdoorsman would
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probably be understating it but uh this guy I think could probably live for a year
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with out conventional food yeah I think you're right pull it off we're about to find out welcome to the program Kevin
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it's been a long time buddy yeah it has uh yeah life has been uh kind of crazy and good and bad and
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everything everywhere yeah but I've been in the woods a lot we want to hear all of it we want to hear the whole thing
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the whole story especially the bad we want cuz Kevin Kell the happy camper happy can't have bad too much going on
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you know what I mean so we want to hear it all butd um Let Me Tell the folks uh first
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of all if they're not familiar with you you've been uh the face of camping in
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this country well ever since I can remember you and I started talking about it on the old radio show on The FAN 590
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Rogers years ago and even back then you were kind of doing those crazy I
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remember having you on the air live a few times where you were you were camping in the dead of winter I'll never
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forget it was like February and you were in a yurt someplace and uh doing the show
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with me so I you you you uh you you've gone Way Beyond just the normal camper
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for sure yeah win winter winter camping is Way Way Beyond if you ask me it looks
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cool but it's it's beyond that's for sure I do I do remember uh doing one
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interview years ago and I just moved to my old house in Bri north um and I was piling back to it I was doing a trip
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ping back and you guys uh hooked up with me when I was on the trip and I remember
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I don't even think I told you about it but but it was uh you know I'm I'm in the bug shelter and um I'm sitting there
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talking to you and I look over and I'm pulling three ticks out of my arm oh God
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no you didn't no you didn't say that that's got to be a problem I mean back when you and I started in this business
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you you very seldom heard about ticks and tick bites but as an Outdoorsman as
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a camper it's got to be a big deal oh my God yeah the crazy thing is I just got back from a trip yesterday I was out on
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a my last canoe trip of the year it's getting pretty cold but um but we brought a hot tent go one of those canvas uh tents with a wood stove right
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and uh so you know it's pretty cold out so we're not worried about tick so we didn't put a floor down we just slept on
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the ground and sure enough that that tent got warm and you can see the ticks crawling up towards my sleeping bag no
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way yeah we never even used to like who ever even worried about that well I mean
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just just walking in the bush as a kid or my dad and I used to do a lot of Partridge hunting a lot of gross hunting
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and walking the old roads and in the bush and you never thought about it back it you know that's 30 years 40 years ago
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sort of thing like that but you never even knew what a tick was couldn't spell tick well maybe we didn't know maybe
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that was it a Kevin maybe we just it was ignorance was Bliss back then and now we
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know so much like we're we're just inundated with information maybe that's why well there's they are coming up more
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from the South but when when I've traveled places where they were Norm like at aroundand a or even even quo
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they don't have the the dog tick there whatever but you basically you pulled off the ticks at night before he went in the tent and if you had more you got
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more more more whiskey oh that's a good deal oh God
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give me some ticks all right let's get into the meat and potatoes first of all there's a am I understanding this
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correctly there's a bit of a career change going on right now in your life yeah like I've always been a writer and
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worked in film and stuff that worked on CBC and I still did that I was the happy camper but during that time for 35 years
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I I taught part-time at sanord leing College um um and for a number of years I taught students at risk uh species
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like how to identify trees fish and stuff like that right and you know there were high school guys aren't doing well so if they actually passed my class they
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went right into college and then um they did well they excelled and so just just this year yeah they uh college decid to
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cut over 80% of the programs so for various reasons we won't want to get into but basically they a lot of them were environmental programs
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and I didn't lose my job but they cut because I was part-time uh they cut my hours severely and and gave it to
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full-timers so I just quit I said okay Bute I'm done good luck to you and my
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students have in good hands like I was worried about that lost sleep over that but what happened is I did that sort of
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thing that everybody does you went out to the woods to heal right because I had to Ste my house I I I had to move um and
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now it's great so I'm moving I live near Kingston now um my my partner Christine she lives here so I don't have to drive
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here every every bloody weekend so that's good learning how to fish here I mean I knew the cor is uh inside out
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right but I don't know anything about the the front neck area I do know now I even got to the point where I'm hiding
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spots that I find whoa look at you yeah by the way Big Brother uh Reno lives in
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Kingston you and him ought to hook up and there you go that' be awesome that' be a nice combo buddy you're in a you're
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in a phenomenal fishing and hunting area there I grew up there in that area and
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you just go north of Kingston and you go east or west a little bit and it is it is out of this world it's as good or
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better than where you were I'm gonna say better I would even say better because well it's it's also good to change up um
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and actually go and investigate new areas and not get mundane right you thear and just just two weeks ago I was
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out with my my buddy and and the palads they got a YouTube channel and every year we have a a fish contest these are
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young guys that have every single lure possible fish finders death Finders and we're in the canoes and they look at me
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and I got just one rod a few Jigs and um I I win and they're like where's your
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fish finder I went me there's the fish right over there was cool and we went in this area
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this time because usually we go where they lived so they came over to to where I did and I gotta say I did lose this
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time I I caught a 19inch pike which is a big Pike but we're going by size this time and they're all catching some some
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bass but they weren't going over 19 inches so they you didn't get spe specific so I'm going to be winning this
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trophy way have a trophy and five minutes before we called it uh it was getting dark um uh yeah the one guy he
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caught 20 in 21 inch large mouth so that one that's a Bigg that's a good one I've
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never seen the guy so excited in fact he was so excited his partner which is a Metalhead guy really tough guy he gives him a big kiss on the mouth he was so
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excited that's different oh God you mention you mentioned young guys uh
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in your business is it a young man's sport or or is there a growing interest
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from people say our age uh gravitating a little bit towards a little bit more towards outdoors and camping are you
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noticing a shift at all yeah it's a mix actually so you have what what you know the the Die Hard um guys I call the
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Tilly hats the beards and the bellies right that that I've always done it and then uh you you've got also the young
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people that are just starting into it which called you YouTube love festers like they're all instagrammers and stuff
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like that and then you got a mix because um during the the shows in Toronto this year a lot of the speakers were young
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YouTubers and a lot of the Old Guard came up to me and said Kevin you better do something about this these people
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have no clue what they're doing they just have a YouTube channel and I kind of laughed I went well first of all not all of them are like that some are full
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themselves and that's why they have their Channel whatever but there's a good Sol of ones that are enthusiastic want to change the world I really like
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that the outdoors and want to share it and also remember guys we used to be those people but we just show slide
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shows instead right yeah true so there's no resentment on your part because I
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know in our industry it's happening more and more frequently uh you mentioned the YouTubers Etc um is do you ever have
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that sense of resentment in the sense that you you say to yourself well I had
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to go out there and actually do this stuff I mean the only way that I could get by was to go and imer myself in the
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outdoors and learn the hard way uh and trial and error and you know get the
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bites the the the burns and the cuts and the bruises to be able to to share that
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with audiences these guys come in and it's like boom boom boom two seconds you know on the on the keyboard and they've
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got answers that took you 30 years to to get is there any resentment there at all
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there are sometimes like there was a resentment I'm very rare with that because I I really like helping
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especially young people because you know I don't want to be that old guy get off my line right um but at the same time I
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I call it Bush time because what will happen there will be someone starting and they'll say oh writing a book is a
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lot of work I don't know if I'll do that I went well that's why there's not a lot of books out there like good luck to you
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and um or you know I don't I'm not catching those brookies that you're catching I go what do you want me to put the lure on for you like it took me
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years to find that tread hole so so there was a resentment in that way but at the same time those people don't last
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because they're in it for different reason the carrot and now there's a lot of the
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young YouTubers that went in thinking they're going to make a fortune just by going on on a Cano trip and filming it
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well and they did it but then it that wasn't the carrot the Cano trip wasn't the carrot and and now they're all gone
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so yeah what about you any resentment to the YouTubes because you brought it up so you mention the fishing I I do I do
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it only because I'm jealous I guess maybe it's not resentment I'm jealous
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because when we were learning you know our trade in in this business it was
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bricks and morar and you had to use a chisel to cut stuff out even mapping uh location uh I mean I I I I guess I'm
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jealous or resenting the fact that somebody now can just go online and
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within the snap of his fingers her fingers get answers that I still don't
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have yet you know what I mean and and if there's a reason I me I often think like where would we be
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today had we had the technology back then right yeah yeah you know the
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resources exactly you know it's the old comparison who's the best hockey player in the world you know was it Wayne
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Gretzky was it Gordy how or one of the new kids it's up and coming well the truth of the matter is they they're
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living in totally different eras and it's hard to make the comparison so what I just said about
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where would we have been with the technology that's available today when we were kids it's not a a fair
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comparison to what you really think about it right yeah like it's just it's weird I have this yeah I have a bit of a
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resentment sure for sure I do cuz I would have loved it I would have Lov GPS back then if nothing else just to know
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where you were and I'm sure you're the same way Kevin because GPS plays a major role in your day-to-day activities yeah
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just like uh even satellite communication with with the outside world yeah yeah yeah I I'll I'll give
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you a good example good case scenario so this year my buddy um we both turned 60
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so uh when we turned 50 I I did a really silly trip with him called the meanus lincol and gonin 102 portages and you
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know right so when we turn hang on hang on hang on stop stop stop just to get
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our heads and and listeners heads around what you just said how long is a trip that involves
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over a 100 portages it yeah it was 68 we went all around a gin it took us
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three weeks oh my God God non-stop like when I say non-stop obviously you're Bing down at night but but otherwise
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every day you're on the move right yeah yeah three weeks yeah we and we did it because we turned 50 well he didn't want
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to do the trip I and actually I wrote a best-selling book on it it was really kind of cool because awesome yeah but
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here this year he goes okay it's my turn to plan the trip you can't plan it I went come on I every sing blame yeah I
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bre guide books r no no and that drove me insane because I didn't know where we're going he goes okay we're you know
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Mark 16 days in your calendar and the quick version is we we went North he picked me up we started driving north
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and I kept I'm driving north and then I'm thinking we're going to Red Lake so whether going to wabakimi or will and
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Caribou go we've done that before so where is he taking us we get to Red Lake and then he gets out the maps and
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there's the forest fires everywhere remember this this and they're evacuating everybody and of course he
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and he's talking to the pilot and he goes well we can go here well they changed their plans and when change their plans I don't even know where
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we're going change their plan so we go we fly north to um a a passway uh per Park so it's up
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towards James Bay low Lane and we're in the bush plane for two hours and 40 minutes so that's just shows you how
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long that's huge it is and thank goodness they didn't have to pee like two hours and 40 minutes right so the
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pilot lands is on this Lake that has no name and he goes okay the fires aren't here yet so but use your satellite
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communication to call me in if you need help thank goodness we had that right because you know but what happened was
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we had to alter our plan I didn't know anywhere we were going I drove me
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insane that I didn't have any control over this trip but what happened and you love this part is that the portages that
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were supposed to be cut that he found in an old book didn't exist imagine this it took us six days to travel four
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kilometers holy we had to cut our own way through we had to cut through Alder and stuff of that because it didn't
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nothing existed and they were all small ponds okay they're all small ponds so no plane could come and get us we didn't
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fish for eight days because we all we had to do that's we spent our time cutting our trail out oh my God is it
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possible to do that without today's technology yes it is but was really kind
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of cool is then so people back um back at the the you know the uh the
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Outfitters they were like kind of worried about us and the old Outfitters said don't worry these guys have Bush time they know what they're doing right
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um and that was a good feeling that because we're old I mean I didn't want to do that I don't want to travel four
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kilometers in six days I'm old it hurt I lost 12 pounds for heav S oh my
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God yeah but um and the kicker was we didn't even start fishing till the eth day and the fishing there is like you
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literally put your toe in the water you it's nuts yeah what do you what do you guys bring in foodwise I mean you got
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you got fish obviously and no matter where you go gon whever but for 3 weeks eight days without fishing yeah so for 3
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weeks and in 3 weeks time you've got to be packed you have food for that what is the three the third week food that you
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would be eating is it preserved stuff is it what would you bring along yeah I I I dehydrate my own so you can get those
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packages so you can you can get they're expensive and um they're they're good though they're expensive but I just
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dehydrate my own and you don't have to need a dehydrator you can do it in your oven at a low temperature so you get
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salsa sauce spaghetti sauce Curry sauces you get your noodles you get your you dry your vegetables you dry your meat um
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jerky meat whatever and you just soak it in water before you eat it and I eat really well it sounds disgusting but I'm
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telling you you watch the video the whole video series is up on um my Casey happy camper um and even watch the meals
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we're we're making and yes we eventually started eating fish you you dehydrate your own I'm I'm curious about that so
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by using an oven basically you're not cooking it but you're just I assuming
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evap the water evaporates out of whether it's pasta or meat or potatoes or whatever it is um and then you just take
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that that's now dry hard dry and you put it in a bag yeah yeah and you just have
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to remove the moisture so so mold won't form right so then you can have it for like two or three years till the
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apocalypse happens right so it'd be fine and it's the same things you would get at the store you would buy at the store
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but there they you have more control in in over taste and stuff make a great shepherd's pie make a great Curry um
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yeah that sort of thing so I don't starve out there now for that long of a trip though that's a lot of weight um
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the way because there's no liquid right except the whiskey um let's not forget that up
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boy oh god um that's I got to ask you this so and and I don't mean to keep
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going back to technology I'm going to make an assumption that that you guys had all the latest gadgetry in terms of
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being able to map your way out especially through the first part where where there were no portages
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left do you did you at any time after the experience say to yourself you know
49:39
I probably couldn't have done it without my GPS or I couldn't have done it without you know one of the little
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pieces the little trinkets that you brought with you or or or did you miss the fact that you couldn't do that whole
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trip just with a compass well I don't we we would have
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been able to do I'll tell you what happened on that trip because I do believe in all that technology I'm not negative towards it at all I I do know
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that some you know people just starting out uh look at it too much because they don't have Bush time yet but what
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happened to us at one point again these portages didn't exist so so we're cutting Alder and I told my buddy I go
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the First Nations people did not go here there's no sign at all for a hundred years that I can see that they actually
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went here the only way and this is a low lens right to towards James Bay is to find a high Rich they would have went on
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the High Ridge so I bushwacked up a High Ridge I go I found a blaze and we're like all excited this is day five the
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day six cutting through all this stuff I found a blaze he goes where's the Blaze and I pointed up and it's six feet high up right there's a There's A A Birch cut
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and then marked and he goes That's not a blaze yes it is in the winter time because six feet of snow right so they
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travel here in the winter they did not travel here in the summer so yes there was a trail but it was a winter Trail so to do that it has to be up the ridge
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that's not a and our GPS wasn't showing that it was called Bush time yeah that's a signal right that somebody
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would have left behind wow that is crazy any any uh obviously when you're that
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deep into it um any wild animal stories did you see anything hear anything it's
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the be best place to see a wolverine so that's really why I wanted to go uh we did not see W Wolverine we saw
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everything else except the Caribou we didn't see any the Caribou we saw eagles they were like they were like GS they
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were they're everywhere uh we did see as coolest thing was actually the I saw a
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mink and it was the size of an otter so I thought that's an otter I looked at it I go well that is a mink and it swam
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past us and went up a ridge and looked at us but it had a white bib I go well that that then that's a um a pine Martin
51:42
I go this not Pine Martin so I could not fathom what this thing was I went back and talked to some biologists and
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they're like yeah that we have no clue what you just saw oh wow that's really
51:53
that's kind of interesting they even said are you sure it wasn't wolver what wasn't big enough for a Wolverine and he
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goes well it just came out of the water it would looked smaller so it just that Mystic the one cool thing about that
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trip too is that it wasn't until day eight of the 16 days we started learning from the land we started know not being
52:12
stupid white people like like okay like the idea of actually sorry to say but we actually started slowing down and not
52:18
being in a rush to get out because you know right and and that calmed us down with the fires because we saw smoke
52:24
coming and the only way to get out is get our GPS on or our sort of satellite communication and get a pilot to come
52:30
and get us but the Lakes up there only a few of them have names and what really helped us there was a big hook um
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outfitting uh he's they have a a remote Lodge up in the park so we actually paddled to them because we're way out of
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the the place where we're supposed to go but thought if we get there then we'll be able to get a plane to to his place
52:49
and yeah Ryan I hope you're listening to the show whatever you saved her but so thank you very much wow that's that's
52:55
insane such an exciting Adventure I'm listening to him and I'm and I'm fool I don't think I'd want to be on to be
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honest with you see I would see I would I'm I'm foolishly listening to him and foolishly saying to myself you know
53:08
what that would be so cool to do you know I I think that would last for about
53:13
3 or 4 hours until was going to say until you until you need a porcelain then You' be until the sound of the
53:20
plane is completely gone and then and then it would but but the adventure that
53:26
I mean it's such a thrill did you guys film that and is it uh on YouTube now or is it going to be coming up yeah okay
53:32
yeah it's it's on Casey happy camper a passway there's eight parts of it pass okay yeah and the first two or three uh
53:39
you can see the anxiety in me in fact there was a scene where I just was not doing well I'm highing anxiety and I I
53:46
have IDE idea to be that far north uh with no way getting out with smoke around you yeah and there was a campsite
53:53
We There was lowland so to find a campsite and there's no campsite you have to make a site right and there's
53:59
only this one hump of land and um we needed to stay there for a couple days to cut through and I looked over and
54:05
there's all the Moss all uh you know dug up I'm thinking oh great a bear came
54:10
here to find ants and we're like What so I go over and there's fresh bear poop and a little bit of steam coming well
54:17
this is the only place we can camp stay there for two nights actually three nights we sitting there for three nights and every night I could hear the Flies
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buzzing around like around dead meat I'm think well where are they coming from and nothing happened to us but it was
54:29
one of those things where like yeah whose idea was this yeah it was my buddies yeah exactly oh my God how much
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gear uh see if you can maybe paint us a bit of a picture here how much Gear with
54:43
two guys going on a trip like that a 3-week you know Outback trip like that how much gear do you take with you yeah
54:51
so you'd have the same gear that you would do for even a weekend or even in five days so you have the tent you have the tarp um you have your sleeping bag
54:58
you have your clothes and very limited clothes you you have what you have on and then your your wools sweaters and stuff now mind you again this was
55:05
actually the end of August early September I remember one day it was snowing the mosquitoes were still biting us oh my God it was such a b GNA ask
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about bugs mosquitoes oh yeah they were bad but uh it's the food it's the food
55:18
that that takes the weight um and we have that in a barrel so the greatest thing is my buddy is he owns that
55:24
recreational Barrel Works company so he but I can find a barrel because he's got them right and we also uh carried our
55:30
our pack I used a two career pack system where which almost like with a TP it's almost like the where the voyers did
55:36
hauling the the The Furs right so I put it on a to with the two packs on on top
55:42
so so uh yeah how big of packs are we talking 100 liter 120 60 at Max 60 at
55:50
Max wow what's that okay so because he wants to keep them small size what is
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that what's that that big on your back or bigger yeah yeah cuz I'm picturing when we when we did um one I remember
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the most is when we went to ur's place uh Northern Rockies Lodge in BC and the
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hunters he would fly the hunters in they all had packs like they were freaking huge they come this high off their backs
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you know what I mean so I was wondering if that's what he had to carry for it it be impossible to walk through the bush they had the Portage right those guys
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had the luxury make a camp somewhere soon as they they get off the plane they probably well said yeah some of them
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said they had walk wh to get to get their spot but I just didn't know I couldn't trying to Fathom how you can
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carry that thing well one are the problems with this you can imagine if I had this and trying to break through the
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woods like they had to do what would Happ you never get through the woods this would be and you got a canoe you got to do it you got you got so much to
56:42
carry with you I'm assuming you make multiple trips sometimes or or would you yeah we do two trips I don't do one trip
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uh I'm not a big guy I can go all day but I can't carry heavy heavy weight so right yeah what you use for Freight what
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were freighter a canoe what what prospector 16t prospector yeah well they're they're
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actually based in London Nova craft yeah yeah I know them well I know them well I use I use a Blue Canoe so the trout
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don't see me paddle over them there you go that's why you're the
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happy camper cuz you get it all figured out when you finally on that trip when you finally got to fish you said there
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was fish you was like you put your toe in the water was it Walley and Pike or was it trout or what were you after and
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then W yeah it was walleye and Pike um I missed the trout to be quite honest um
57:30
but yeah the walleye it was it was good Pike and walleye that the after that old crazy
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things we end up getting windbound on this one big lake for three nights so we had to fish from Shore we couldn't get
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out the water well we caught fish uh but they weren't like huge I caught a bunch of Pike I did catch one nice Pike we got
57:50
it in the boat and I lost one that i' never seen a pike so big but I didn't get on camera um I I swear to I swear it
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was like over half the size of the canoe wow I didn't want actually I didn't want to land and who's G to argue with it
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right exactly all right so just between us girls when you get two guys in that
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environment and there's a lot of fatigue there's a lot of stress there's all this
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going on how much of your time is spent either
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arguing or maybe in your own mind saying this son
58:29
of a hell what's he thinking why isn't he picking up that and why isn't he like is there any of that infighting
58:35
going on between you guys when you lose your crap you know what I mean if there was ever a time that would happen it
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would be that trip um but because I've been friends with my buddy Andy for years and we've done a lot of trips
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together we get through it by humor we laugh our buns off on those yeah yeah
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yeah yeah yeah I get it our fault for being there so we just laugh it off and and you know when I fall over I fell
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over and I actually ripped my the crot my pants so and that was on day four so the rest of the trip I had no crotch my
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pants right and he just every morning with good you know Kevin can you turn the other way please cover that
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up that's funny what uh your hours were they based on more on fatigue or was it
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weather or was it light dependent like give us a sense lots of light though in the summer up there right you'd have all
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kinds of daylight I would think right yeah yeah and once we got free of the the problems with the portages then we
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had to make distance in time so there was we were pading until you know half hour before Sunset okay now we'll make
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camp and that took a while because we again had to cut cut the bush way yeah that what he just said you know you you
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listen to it you say oh that'd be great you know spend the whole day just paddling down the lake that has got to
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be I'd rather Portage to be honest with you than to make one of those long traverses across a big body of water in
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a canoe and all all my gear and stuff that was that's me it's hard it's hard
1:00:02
on parts of your body that you don't even know you have to use when you're paddling oh yeah I I so I'm I know 16
1:00:09
and I got huge arthritis problems I also suffer from a vertigo B solal vertigo and that kicked in on the time but I had
1:00:15
meds for it all these old things right and um mind you by by day 10 I was in
1:00:21
shape uh I got back and so they weighed us uh they weigh our gear and weigh us before we got on the plane right you
1:00:27
guys done that yep and when we got back I go hey weigh me again and and I I lost
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um about 18 PBS holy imagine that in 16 days that's a good little weight
1:00:39
loss program right there and you s up you get to learn the bush and you to lose some weight I mean think about it
1:00:44
all you're doing is is working out it's like a constant work eating right eating
1:00:49
right eating small amounts eating good quality food and then more importantly you're burning it every day every day uh
1:00:57
incredible how uh how long would you guys sleep at night what's kind of the norm well it uh it all depends what we
1:01:04
had to do next day if we're windbound we we'd actually have a sleep in but uh but no we're we got up right at Sun uh
1:01:10
sunrise and basically because that's the best time to paddle because it's not windy right right I gotta say though
1:01:15
there was one time so we were inbound on this point and um like against three nights and that the the second night or
1:01:22
second morning we hear the wind and we're back in the bush and the the tarp is just flopping flopping flopping and
1:01:29
he's looking at me and I'm looking at him like well who's going to go out and fix this and of course I I I lose the coin toss so I go out and right then
1:01:36
there our chairs uh we have camp chairs and they you have camp chairs I feel a
1:01:42
fool I you were roughing it for God's sake where he going to sit in when he drinks his whiskey damn it he's got to
1:01:47
have something like that jez give the guy a break the chairs got wrapped up in the
1:01:53
in the Rope of the tarp and they're they're flying up in the air like a Bunchie Castle right um and I said get
1:02:01
out of here we get out your we got to oh you're lying you're lion c well got you have to go to the videos and watch that
1:02:07
scene I've never seen a a a a chair fly up so high into the air really oh my God
1:02:15
and that scares the hell out of you because all you're thinking is oh my God I'm in the middle of nowhere This is the
1:02:20
End right this is going to this is it for me um I I think I shared with you um
1:02:27
on one of our previous radio shows um Kevin I I had a situation where we were
1:02:33
portaging in Al gonin park with uh some buddies and I think it was the second
1:02:40
night or maybe the third night into Camp the weather was starting to get bad as
1:02:45
we bedded down for the night but about 1 or 2:00 in the morning it was full all I
1:02:51
can describe it as is full hurricane weather right right the winds were just
1:02:57
crazy to the point where we spent the next 3 and 1/2 hours holding stuff down
1:03:04
so that the wind wouldn't take it away cuz I mean it's all essential stuff that we had to keep right we weren't expecting this if you're expecting it
1:03:10
you kind of put stuff strategically placed in areas where where you can strap it down but all of our stuff was
1:03:16
just blown away and so we spent the whole night holding tents and Sharps and
1:03:23
poles and coolers and Like You Name It We Were trying to you know mitigate what was the inevitable and that is going to
1:03:29
be a disaster until we finally saw that sun coming up and I'll never forget that
1:03:35
that first ray of light and even though it was still windy you kind of felt okay
1:03:41
you know what I mean so you guys the two and this was like eight of us on that
1:03:46
trip so for you guys just the two of you that must have been just horrifying I
1:03:52
mean you because you don't know what the net results going to be when it's all over right no the only thing again we go
1:03:58
back to the very beginning is about Bush time we I am comfortable in the woods I I should do I'm less hyper out there in
1:04:05
fact I'm quite calm I don't even talk much um but uh yeah that was the only thing that made us calm the only anxiety
1:04:12
was at night when you're worried about the fires coming because and there was one night where the moon came up and it
1:04:18
was a fire moon but we actually thought it was the the forest igniting what's a what's a fire moon it's just a massive
1:04:24
Moon that was like golden or Orange um but it came through the the spruce uh
1:04:29
and we're in the tent and Andy goes uh this isn't good guys this isn't
1:04:34
good yeah it wasn't a fire and we're just worried because we're in the small pond so there's no way the only way we
1:04:39
would have had to escape is go back through those portages we'd cut to escape into the lake that we landed on
1:04:45
originally and we didn't want to do that we experienced something like that uh
1:04:50
last season was it last season or Quant Lake oh yeah when When the Smoke was
1:04:55
finally uh Upon Us yep and all I remember all iy was all oh it was terrible all I could think of was well
1:05:02
you know what there's no reason to panic because all we have to do is just go out on the
1:05:08
lake and just hunker down on the lake it's not like the Flames are going to you know get to us in the middle of the
1:05:13
lake but yeah it's kind of a strange feeling when you know that it was weird and you know and that and that trip
1:05:19
there too Kevin and to the audience we as that smoke comes in the planes can't
1:05:24
come in to get you that's that's the problem right there is that you are not going to get saved at that iMed in that day or if it was something that
1:05:31
immediate but yeah it was I remember the sky was just orange that morning remember that freaky it was freaky was
1:05:37
freaky yeah yeah yeah yeah so I think nature reminds us of the intrinsic values of werness that we're really not
1:05:44
that important uh when it comes down to it you you guys don't be on big lakes and big storms right and you're so Vol
1:05:51
oh man I'd be lying to you and and Pete knows this I'd be lying to you if I didn't tell you I I have a bit of a
1:05:57
perversion and that is you got that right that is that I love I love that
1:06:03
moment that moment when all of this energy and nature and you kind of come
1:06:10
together you know I I like I would be one of those stormchasers you know those
1:06:15
guys who drive around looking for tornadoes cuz I do love being in the middle of that craziness for that you
1:06:22
know that that second of total loss of control I do love it I you feel alive oh my God
1:06:31
it's crazy it's crazy you feel alive before you're going to die well I think that's probably why
1:06:38
probably Kevin I hope you don't I got a quick question for Kevin we're talking summer a lot of summer camping and
1:06:45
there's all seasons in the fall do you hunt at all do you bring a gun and shoot
1:06:50
for ducks for food anything like that I used to hunt uh in fact in my m was
1:06:55
funny I um when I live lived in the Sue when when I actually lived up north I would hunt and um and uh I haven't for a
1:07:03
long time but there was a photo of me when I'm like in my 20s and um and uh I
1:07:09
got a gross in my hand there's blood all over my hands and that's in my Memoir and I had some people shocked that I
1:07:14
hunted I went what what's your problem like and then just this weekend we went
1:07:19
on this canoe trip in the corus and I told everybody to wear blaze orange right the other guys weren't Hunters
1:07:26
they're like well that that's not right they should be um hunting here they go they have every right to hunt here and
1:07:31
and we have every right to actually protect ourselves by putting orange on no kidding but it's like sort of closed-minded individuals but um it is
1:07:39
interesting people were shocked that I I would would that not be good practice anyways like for example the trip you
1:07:45
just described to us would it not be good practice to wear something bright
1:07:51
in the event of you know a mishap whether you're lost or whether you're injured
1:07:56
would it not be would you not be further ahead wearing for example maybe blaze orange should be the standard color of
1:08:02
folks who go in the outback regardless of whether there's hunting season on or not yeah there's a lot of campers uh in
1:08:09
fact it was a trend at one time not to wear colors all to wear green and brown with the environment no way do I do that
1:08:14
I mean my tarp is four colors actually it's the four first first nation four colors and and a pilot will see that
1:08:21
they won't see a green tarp and yeah I'm the happy camper so I'm colored everywhere and my pack is bright bright
1:08:28
red and I don't try to blend in in because I want to be found when there and you talk to the pilots about try
1:08:33
when they try to find you and it's terrifying when they're like yeah a mirror on your compass we'll never see
1:08:39
that Kevin we'll never see that and if at least we know maybe where you could be we could maybe see you but the
1:08:46
chances and when you're up in the air and you're looking down yeah yeah it's just especially there when we again imagine going two and a half hours in
1:08:52
the bush plane from Red Lake oh my God see nothing except Bush every time we fly uh into places you know we're
1:08:59
constantly looking down I am too and I know Pete we discussed in the past you're looking down there and you're
1:09:05
saying my God what would ever happen if this plane went down because you know
1:09:10
there's just nothing right just just nothing and it always goes through your mind could I make it out from a place
1:09:18
like that well in fact that's what you guys did yeah yeah I didn't know that
1:09:24
some some sometimes smart not to know much about anything but um CU we're
1:09:29
flying back out right there was another pilot um and great pilot great guy and
1:09:35
uh so we're flying and he's looking at his watch all the time and I I figured out at that time there's three um fuel
1:09:41
systems in in the plane and so but because of the first flight the other pilot Sean told me that but I'm so I'm
1:09:48
looking at the fuel I should never have done that I'm looking at the fuel I'm think because we're in the air for a longer time it took us longer to get back as the winds and I'm looking I'm
1:09:55
looking and he's like looking his watch and then we finally land and he goes never flew that far in my life and we
1:10:01
landed on fuse God that's something terrifying when you
1:10:08
hear the pilot saying I've never done this before regardless of what it is that uh that explanation that an's did
1:10:15
and what Kevin's talking about to the audience is that it like that you just really have never you can't imagine it
1:10:22
until you see it uh from a plane looking down and the vastness and and if you see
1:10:27
a lake or something it actually breaks it up it actually gives it a kind of a better picture but when you look that
1:10:33
way and it's all trees and it's all bushy trees and it's all like you would never see anything if it was a moose
1:10:39
running through there Full Tilt you'd never see him you know what I mean it's just so thick and so Broad and so
1:10:44
expansive it's just it's it's insane how and that's everywhere in the north probably this whole country you know
1:10:50
what I mean north of all the cities it's just insane until you get to no trees but it's it's it's pretty cool it's it's
1:10:58
it's impressive that's for sure I often say to myself you know what there's got to be other living organisms that we
1:11:06
have no idea even exist Sam down exactly down there somewhere because you would
1:11:14
never know it you wouldn't no you would never know it uh we just before I forget
1:11:19
cuz we got some questions from the listeners actually that that we want to run by before we do that though just to
1:11:24
to tie into what you were just saying we had a similar experience one time um
1:11:29
flying into um over the Amazon flying to an outpost camp in the Amazon we were
1:11:35
flying from s Paulo uh Brazil to I don't know it was like a 4H hour flight up to
1:11:42
the top end of the Amazon uh where it comes out of Venezuela I believe anyways
1:11:48
we're halfway through the flight and and uh somebody noticed that we were trailing fuel off of the wing oh no no
1:11:55
and we we uh tapped on the on the Pilot's shoulder and you know had him look at that and all of a sudden you
1:12:02
could tell that he was in scramble mode because he started pulling out paper maps oh yeah not GPS not electronic he
1:12:10
started pulling out maps from under his seat and opening them up in front of and he's looking because down below there is
1:12:18
nothing but canopy Kevin like nothing for as far as you could see around you
1:12:23
it's just canopy so he's looking for ideas I guess from the map to see which
1:12:29
direction he could Veer up to to get down before we crashed and this lasted
1:12:35
for about half an hour 45 minutes yeah it wasn't a huge fueling it wasn't like a hose coming up it was a leaking it we
1:12:42
were losing our fuel off the wings right anyways uh we had no idea what what was
1:12:49
there was no communication he's he's in panic mode so we're not going to start disturbing him we know what's going on
1:12:56
and uh so we wait it out and finally he starts bringing it down and we're thinking oh yeah okay well obviously
1:13:02
he's out of fuel and we're going in you know that was what what we were all thinking so brace yourself boys uh
1:13:08
because it it's we're going into the trees and I'm thinking all kinds of weird stuff and you know the Tarzan
1:13:15
movies and all that stuff anyways uh he found a clearing and we thought okay
1:13:22
well at least we're not going to crash into the trees but as we got down on top of it it was a village it was a village
1:13:29
and it had a little dirt path in the middle of it and he landed the plane on
1:13:35
this little dirt path in the middle of the Jungle in on the Amazon and uh got
1:13:43
down there and he he taxied and of course everybody came out of their huts
1:13:48
and stuff to see what the hell is going on right and he taxied down to the end of it like he had been there a h hundred
1:13:54
times got down to the end of it and there's a gas pump there is an old gas
1:13:59
pump at the end of this Village Road and he pulls over this was like a commercial you could have it would have been a
1:14:05
great commercial and uh uh everybody from the village helped them push it ENT
1:14:11
themselves pushed the plane a little bit cuz the the pump was a little bit off of the dirt road pushed it over and they
1:14:17
got the pump and filled it the best part was when it was all said none he pulls out an American Express and they wrote
1:14:25
up the thing on his AMX it was the coolest thing I've ever experienced but
1:14:31
I'll tell you those 20 minutes those 20 25 minutes of not knowing we were done
1:14:37
yeah it was kind of scary toast totally Toast of all places the Brazilian the Amazon and it might have been our our
1:14:43
first trip to the Jungle if I'm not I think it was it was that catfish PIRA
1:14:48
trip what it was fantastic yeah there's a place that you if you haven't oh don't
1:14:54
go camping there there's a place you need to go camping buddy you will be the unhappy camper right there I'll tell you
1:15:00
that right now all right uh we got some listener questions if you don't mind uh answering
1:15:06
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speak very good first question from Adam cascone uh from Ontario what is the
1:15:43
absolute essential must have in your cooler on your camping SL fishing trip
1:15:50
and by the way you can't say something obvious like beer think outside thex or whiskey or whiskey in Kevin's case think
1:15:56
outside the box cuz beer beer would have been the first answer for sure but okay Kevy absolute essential in your cooler
1:16:03
in your cooler I when I go in the back country I don't have a cooler but I was going to say Define what a cooler is to
1:16:09
Kevin right yeah well let's just say it's not a Backcountry camping let's say it's more accessible camping for you I
1:16:14
mean something that you would be able to bring a cooler to let's just well I I do going to The Back Country we we have a
1:16:19
mini uh cooler that fits in the barrel uh and then it compresses after that so with the first two days we have fresh
1:16:26
fresh food after that but so a juicy steak for the first night for sure and I freeze that in a marinade so it'll it'll
1:16:33
last longer Frozen and I wrap it up in newspaper print and then put it in the cooler with an ice packing sometimes I
1:16:40
don't use the ice pack um actually I'll bring a beer Frozen and use that as a as
1:16:46
the ice pack ah smart man smart man interesting just so that we can have it
1:16:53
on the record so have you T you've taken frozen meat in to the Outback before
1:17:00
yeah for sure is there is there a certain period of time that you can
1:17:06
consume that meat without any worries of it going off or or maybe even harming
1:17:12
you from a health standpoint it depends on the meat so steak Yeah I wouldn't eat
1:17:17
that the second day the first day if it's frozen it's solid frozen yes I'll
1:17:22
have it the second day but you're worse than my wife she I was gonna say I was hoping I was hoping he'd
1:17:29
say yeah week 10 days because I wanted my wife to hear this because after a couple of hours in herin it's throw
1:17:36
garbage there's all that money gone yeah yeah yeah wow chicken I wouldn't even
1:17:41
bother bringing um TR chicken but ham steaks I'd have those even the fourth
1:17:47
morning if it's not a heat wave um eggs I get eggs from a farmer because it they
1:17:52
they're not washed so they have the the the around pressure and then I actually
1:17:58
put them actually I put them in um egg container and I duct tap them under my can seat because break that way so nice
1:18:04
idea can you can you dehy hydrate meat like steak for example could could you dehydrate it yeah yeah for sure I do
1:18:11
jerky uh I have a dehydrated I do it in my oven too but jerky but also hamburger so if you do hamburger cook the
1:18:17
hamburger and then rinse it in a spaghetti strainer to get that grease out of there and then dehydrate it in in
1:18:23
your oven a low temperature like degrees overnight and it looks like cardboard and then you put it back in a bag and
1:18:28
soak it back and and oh this oh great the Dos are L
1:18:34
dogs um yeah I do that and um I've done chicken before but but also you know you
1:18:41
can bring canned food if you want but then you're going to have to the can out right so right right and it's weight too
1:18:46
the extra weight of the metal can is not worth yeah except spam I'll bring spam remember that stuff oh I love that yeah
1:18:55
I would do love that stuff really buddy if if if it were possible spam if it
1:19:01
were possible I would take spam remember click and clam I think
1:19:07
click and cam click I would take those three I would do nothing but pack them
1:19:12
for an Outback trip if if the weight was not an issue because I know they're going to keep forever you can open it
1:19:19
when you need to eat it and you and there size so that you can you know eat the whole thing
1:19:26
and you never you preserving it you just put that baby in the backp and off you go
1:19:32
true I guess if you're hungry as hell it wouldn't matter right wait you don't like the taste of it no I never like maybe it was just maybe it was
1:19:38
psychological it was as as a kid I wasn't a fan I wasn't a fan I loved it and the beauty about taking it in that
1:19:46
environment is that you can either eat it raw right of the can on its own or you could cook up some wonderful meals I
1:19:53
don't know whether you're aware of or not you can make some wonderful meals out of this stuff no I'm not aware of it in a frying pan over a fire oh my God I
1:20:00
I'm telling you I'm getting hungry just thinking about I'm G to go catch a walleye piss
1:20:05
on and I'm G to eat some fish or something Dale uh steel nicolov from nicolov from Nova
1:20:13
Scotia he wants to know what's the necessary rules to assure a successful and safe fishing SL camping trip in the
1:20:20
wilderness what what is what are the necessary rules give us say five rules
1:20:27
that you have to live by if you're going out there yeah first of all communication with all your partners and
1:20:32
and and ask them why they are going and what they want out of the trip I remember doing a five-day trip in Ain
1:20:38
and a new guy went with us because someone bail and nobody asked him if he fishes right if and it was a fishing
1:20:45
trip like we Every Spring we go down the nipping or whoever and he goes yeah this kind of boring are we going somewhere
1:20:51
guys I we no actually we're not and we should have communicated and that was a
1:20:56
huge error that that was a bad trip um the other is uh you start the trip when
1:21:02
you start the trip and don't change the date 10,000 times over right and also you go as long as you say you're going
1:21:09
to so if we're doing a five-day trip we don't go out on day three because you're homesick um because we worked too hard
1:21:15
to actually go for five days and so don't be in a rush to go back the other is actually um uh I find a mixture of
1:21:22
people are far safer but also I this is going to be controversial but I think sometimes doing a solo trip is a lot
1:21:28
more safe oh wow and the reason why is you're so terrified you're gonna die
1:21:34
you're not being stupid I like that you know what I I can
1:21:39
relate to that because when I fish this time of Year's fall right now we're recording this when I fish this time of year by myself every step I take in the
1:21:46
boat I'm very careful I'm more cognizant of what what may be if you go in that water so you might have a point there
1:21:51
because I just put in my mind okay careful here but what happens if well if
1:21:57
the inevitable at some point in your life could happen What happens if two guys are in a boat and you fall in well
1:22:02
at least you got one guy who could help the other guy if you both fall in oh if you both go in then you're idiots you're
1:22:07
both idiots we your life Jack anyway I'm just saying Kevin I I I know what he's thinking there are you saying to me
1:22:13
right now are you endorsing solo camping oh God yeah yeah for
1:22:20
sure you go you want you can eat as much spam as you want you can you can fish
1:22:26
all you want you don't have any conflict except for yourself I mean you know with with the modern conveniences in terms of
1:22:34
safety that are out there now I guess that's not such a bad idea I mean growing up when I was a kid you never
1:22:39
would have recommended solo camping for the simple reason that if something happened to you out there you're done
1:22:46
because nobody knows where you are nobody can find you uh there like all of those conveniences that we like this the
1:22:52
spot or what's the the G version of the the in reach the in reach you know that you could take with you you just push a
1:22:58
button and everybody knows where you are and they know that it's a 911 call and
1:23:03
they can come and help you but without that I don't know man I don't know so
1:23:08
right nowadays if you had that in reach right that right there alone would give you a real sense of security I would
1:23:14
think right at least you know you break a leg M and now you can message somebody
1:23:20
that you've broken your leg and here's your coordinates right yeah yeah we had both those on the passway Tri we I I had
1:23:27
a spot four which you just push the button you know emergency whatever but there's also a button you push every
1:23:32
night saying I'm here and I'm okay so my partner get actually three other people would get it and they'd say okay he's
1:23:37
okay now when we were stuck for three days on that one Lake right everybody's well what's going on but the thing is
1:23:43
it's not saying we're injured we're here and we're okay so everybody at home had assume well they're okay something's
1:23:48
gone wrong they just s you know but um but then uh Andy had the device where he
1:23:55
can communicate by texting yeah and and that worked great because if we had to get a plane to come to get us where they
1:24:00
didn't know where we are uh he could actually give them you know detailed information and that was fine but at the
1:24:07
same time it's it's like too much communication right like do you talk to your uh to your spouse every day when
1:24:13
you're oh there you go see that's that's I agree with you you there's a a happy
1:24:20
medium there where where enough is enough and too much is too much right in
1:24:26
terms of communication I I yeah I think a lot of people today are
1:24:32
so connected that that even an hour disconnected are starting to feel the
1:24:37
anxiety of being alone right yeah yeah yeah no no Andy didn't communicate with his wife for for just chitchat it was
1:24:44
for safety reasons whatever but I have been on trip I there's one guy actually worked for the uh the government he was
1:24:49
on a a trip with us to do some studies whatever and he contacted his wife every
1:24:55
night on the sa phone just to argue like they didn't get right and then we didn't
1:25:01
have much battery left when actually we needed an emergency we Evac on that trip and then we had a quarter battery left
1:25:06
because he was talking to his wife and arguing right so oh my God don't you hate that kick the out of them leave leave them in there for a
1:25:13
bit and you wonder why I like solo tripping exactly exactly uh last
1:25:19
question Mr Bowman last question comes from Daniel Nordstrom from Ontario Ario
1:25:25
advice for someone getting into Crown Land camping how do I find access SL
1:25:32
boundaries yeah okay the crown onine Atlas that the government has is such a confusing website uh if you're
1:25:38
colorblind good luck too um but I did put a video out on casy happy camper
1:25:43
it's about 40 minutes long and I go over the entire process of actually going on on a the crown Atlas and finding out
1:25:50
which if you can camp there what you can do there um but there's also some negatives on that too it's like ask
1:25:57
assess in the winter time especially where you going to park you I'm not going to park on the road because snowers Are Gonna Knock
1:26:04
into so you have to look into that and there are a bunch of forums out there um
1:26:10
that people talk about the only negative and it's not to me it's not a negative trying to find crownland through other people you're not going to get it it's
1:26:16
like a tro stream you're not going to get that information right because we don't want everybody especially when the pandemic happened I had the Blue Canoe
1:26:23
people recognize my blue canoe and they would follow me down the road knowing he going to the
1:26:28
spot and I would actually go somewhere different right so um but crownland yeah
1:26:33
there's a crownland atlas in Ontario every province has it um and you go to it and it will show you this is
1:26:39
crownland this is private land this is first nation's land and to get cranland too you're gonna have to go you know
1:26:45
kind of a gonin North don't try to find cranland down by Seria U there might be some but it's not it's it's very limited
1:26:52
wow you do find it you also have to look if it's landlocked so you might find a crownland lake but everything around it
1:26:59
is private and you can't get to it and and that and that's yeah you can't get to because those people own that
1:27:04
property and that's probably what they figured they nobody's going to go into this Lake to fish because they can't or
1:27:10
you fly in or you get Dr dropped by a parachute I don't know but yeah so when
1:27:15
you go to the crown line Atlas it will actually show uh there's a whole bunch of processes you go through to find out
1:27:21
where the land is and and then you have to do your road work to be quite honest at the end of the day once you figure
1:27:27
that Atlas out then you have to um go out and there was a place I tried to
1:27:32
find this one Lake I went five times to try and find it and how to get to it for for three years and finally I found it
1:27:38
and I there was walleye in it and it was uh it was in the cores I go there was I knew bass were in there but but there
1:27:44
were like good 18inch Walley wow and uh but it took me three years to find that lake so wow are there any restrictions
1:27:52
uh uh I I think it was you years ago kind of shed the light on this are there
1:27:58
are there any restrictions on camping on crownland is there a maximum number of
1:28:05
days for example that you can legally camp on crownland or is it just have additive you can get in there if you can
1:28:10
find it it's all yours oh no there's a lot of rules and regulations um I think it's 21 days it might be well it might
1:28:16
be 26 I think it's 21 days you have to move your your your structure that being your tent I don't think you have to move
1:28:22
that far but you have to move so you also have to practice low impact camping um and that sort of thing not like a
1:28:28
Provincial Park but I love crownland to be quite honest I love it you're more free uh to to be camping on there and uh
1:28:36
the other the other things you have to look at for for crownland is that there's some Crown Land and that's why I have to go to the atlas where you
1:28:42
actually cannot Camp because it's it's alligated for forestry or for whatever reason um and it will indicate that you
1:28:49
can't Camp there so you have to look at that Atlas And if the co comes up to you and know gives you trouble it's like and
1:28:57
you say I don't know well sorry um it's like Steve Martin I did not know arm robbery was illegal if someone told me I
1:29:03
would never have done it remember that's a great example I
1:29:08
love it that's good the fact or myth that as long as you are on water
1:29:17
and not touching land uh it's a wide openen Frontier for
1:29:23
you when you're you know Outback backpacking you don't have to worry about private property
1:29:30
walk through a creek let's say walk through or floating through as long as you don't come ashore it's perfectly
1:29:36
legit and you don't need permission it's very complex uh so I learned that lesson I I palled the entire Mississippi River
1:29:42
last year but our Mississippi from Bon Eco Park to the Ottawa River yeah because in the 50s it was a canoe route
1:29:48
that even camps used and um it was the first actually recreational canoe route that was documented by the the
1:29:54
government and it's still there but then when I contact the conservation Authority because they had a pamphlet on
1:29:59
it they said well people really really don't do the whole river cabin because of private land now I went how did that
1:30:04
happen because actually in the 1800s the navigable Water Act was created on the Mississippi River so two loggers were
1:30:10
arguing one guy made logging Swifts and the other guy used them he goes you can't do that those are mine so it went
1:30:16
to court and actually the federal provincial government at that time created a navigable Water Act and this
1:30:21
will help everybody if you can navigate it by or any other vessel then uh it is
1:30:27
owned by everyone right W that's what I I figured that yeah yeah
1:30:33
there are places though where that doesn't doesn't doesn't um so if there's a dam controlled so farmer has a dam to
1:30:40
hold water back for the cattle that that has ex has changed the navigable water
1:30:45
so is it still navigable right well if you have you have to Portage around that Dam then you're portaging on their
1:30:51
property so you can't do the because you have to be on their land to Portage and that's what happened on the Mississippi
1:30:57
River so I I would get to a Portage uh and the water had changed the levels had changed so uh you know the land owner
1:31:04
came up and he goes you can't be here and I went you know this is a this is a a can rout that was developed by the
1:31:09
government and I don't see the issue now the only thing is I wasn't a I wasn't you know a prick to him I I but yeah he
1:31:18
said go ahead you but he was like we've had people just leave garbage burn burn the fire fires whatever so I don't want
1:31:24
this anymore um and that becomes the conflict so in theory what I could have done and he couldn't have done anything
1:31:30
to me I could have walked that rapid um as long as I was one chain to the left
1:31:35
and one chain to the right what a chain is uh during the 1800s uh this land was
1:31:40
surveyed by a physical chain that that was 66 uh feet long 20 Metter right so
1:31:47
yes he owns um the the shoreline of 20 MERS to the right and left but if I stayed in the middle nothing he can't
1:31:54
really do anything about it so you don't have to be a float you can walk the riverbed legally yeah but it has to be a
1:32:02
it has to be a navigable water ped so if it's a small little creek is that well I
1:32:07
mean I mean that's a great question what's navigable I mean what the if it's
1:32:13
navigable it's probably too deep to Wade in the center probably I would think right I would think imagine like a
1:32:18
Mississippi for sure and that's why I I I I spent like three decades my writing
1:32:24
guide books because those a lot of those canoe Roots were not going to be Cano Roots anymore because the government didn't want to maintain them and I went
1:32:30
yeah Catch Me If You Can and started I love it I love it Hey Kevin go back to
1:32:38
Daniel's question you you mentioned it on one of your uh one of your videos is there and if he goes on the KC camper
1:32:45
whatever your site is is does happy camper happy camper does he type in what does he type in for finding that answer
1:32:52
for the public the Crown Land just go to Casey happy camper um um Crown Land uh
1:32:59
okay Crown Land I think it's called um yeah and you can tell a lot of people have the question because it's a a lot
1:33:05
of people have gone to that site about the thousands whatever so I do Show an example which maybe I shouldn't have
1:33:10
done there was a lake um in uh North cor I said look I need to show one example so here's a lake I found it's called
1:33:17
Adam Lake this is how I found it so I go through the process of how I and how to find where I parked I didn't went
1:33:22
through the whole process and actually what species are in there so here's a website they'll tell you the species here's a website from the government
1:33:28
will show you when it was stocked and what it was stocked with so that video shows all that information but I did
1:33:33
happen to show one Lake I can't go back to that Lake right now really why well the locals want to
1:33:41
kill me and all the all the people from the city are going there you might as well make it a park now it's say that
1:33:48
cuz one of the tools we used to use back in the old days you know one of the tools we used to use
1:33:54
was the uh M&R back then and they still do now they used to put out a schedule a
1:33:59
stocking schedule prog of of lakes that they stocked right and uh
1:34:05
99.9% of those Lakes are ground land that's that's that was the beauty of it
1:34:11
so if you ever wanted to figure out what's Crown Land you you find one of those stocking program maps and say oh
1:34:17
that lake is there because all around that is crownland now that doesn't mean that access to that land isn't privately
1:34:23
owned but the land immediately around that body of water was generally Crown Land so it's another little secret if you're
1:34:29
looking for that kind of stuff I love those Maps I still have um and they got rid of them I remember the day when they
1:34:35
got rid of them and I went into the bankr disc office and I said hey I want this map they well we're not giving it to the public anymore we we discontinued
1:34:42
it I went well you still have the master plan and I I have the right to have it and yeah they didn't like
1:34:49
me say did you set a precedence there I mean holy back writing guide books from
1:34:54
all a lot of my can were all Crown like the York River in bankof that was uh going to be Provincial park at one time
1:35:00
but never was so but I did write it up as a route and it starts at a nonoperating park which is Crown Land if
1:35:06
it says if it's a park that has no management plan it is classified as as crownland so you don't need reservations
1:35:11
you don't need to pay that sort of thing so that that's something everybody should know so when I did the Copco
1:35:17
River for example up up in Northern Ontario that is a Waterway Park but they don't have a management plan so you can
1:35:23
camp wherever you want right so there's no rules no regulations but with that yeah uh the York River I I went and Pall
1:35:30
it I wrote up about it and then I I do remember at the time the mrin was very upset they're like well what are you
1:35:36
doing this for I went well it should have been a part maybe yeah it's a great Cano route and if you don't make it as a
1:35:41
Cano what else are you going to do with it oh you might Dam it you might log it and I'm not an environmental activist at all but there's a certain point where
1:35:48
hey don't touch my my my areas that shinuchi is a good example up by Sudbury
1:35:53
and I I worked in natural resources so I knew they're um mining for gold they found gold on Wolf Lake and so I
1:36:01
promoted that place beyond belief I told everybody about it by magazines By Radio by by book um and then the locals were
1:36:08
just want to kill me I went if you don't promote it someone else is going to use it for something else yeah right and
1:36:15
usually it's that something else is not in your favor wow interesting it just dawned me my friend that that Kevin's a
1:36:23
well there is that too he's pretty good at that it sounds like lately but now that you're not gainfully
1:36:29
employed that means you got an awful lot of time on your hands which means we could get you on this program a little
1:36:35
more often yeah my whole thing is to do more media doing that and and doing more
1:36:42
video to be quietest because my my YouTube It's is it's it's half ass they
1:36:47
say right I I I'm I'm very hyper I'm like squirrel um but what I the first thing I did is uh I went moved here I I
1:36:54
did the front act challenge so basically it's 11 hiking Loops which is really weird for me because I'm a Cana so to me
1:37:00
a backpacking Trail is the longest Portage ever created so how true is that what I did is I did
1:37:08
that and I I couldn't walk afterwards but basically you get a badge saying you did 160 kilometers and and you find
1:37:14
codes that that prove that you did it and it was a good story and I sold the story and I probably made more money
1:37:20
selling the story than if I if I talked for two weeks yeah no no kidding yeah uh
1:37:25
my friend we have got to cut you loose this is uh this is uh uh the longest
1:37:31
we've ever had you on this show and so that means that we got to have you more often not less but more often uh want to
1:37:38
thank you for joining us great stories and anybody who's looking to be entertained in the outdoors I highly
1:37:45
encourage you uh to check it out uh Casey the happy camper um you've got
1:37:50
YouTube channel uh I'm assuming we site that they can go to tell us where where
1:37:55
else can you be found yeah kevin.com on the website Casey happy camper um I'm the happy camper on CBC Radio um and I
1:38:03
write regular for explore magazine I'm a blogger for them and a columnist um yeah
1:38:09
and just any Big Show I'm I'm I'm always presenting there and I'm I'm never
1:38:14
serious I well I am very serious person to be quite honest actually but there's a reason why I was tagged the happy
1:38:19
camper and really quickly how I got tagged that is I was on my first um uh
1:38:24
Tv show uh Morning Show showing my first book that was called the happy camper
1:38:30
and it sold really really well and there was a whole bunch of Camp devices and the the male host did not like camping
1:38:36
he like let's just get this over with and one of the devices was this whiz easy it's a device women use so they can
1:38:42
urinate standing up and so he picks up he goes what's this Kevin I go it's a whistle give it a
1:38:47
try no love it I freaking love it fale tells
1:38:53
him what it is he spits it out he's Furious he's furious with me and then I get back my colleagues are like what did you do that for well he didn't like
1:38:59
gamping deserve what he get I don't really care and the next day I was on so many shows because they're like that's
1:39:05
funny man that's good okay he must still hate you that that uh host oh yeah on
1:39:12
that note my friend uh thank you very much for joining us we appreciate it I urge everybody who wants to learn more
1:39:17
about camping if you're into camping already uh this guy is your uh Your Man
1:39:23
for sure definitely thanks buddy talk to you soon Kevin Ken the happy camper and
1:39:30
I mean that if you even if you're brand new to it I think it's so important that you start on the right path and Kevin
1:39:37
can put you on that right path with a question I wish I had them when I started Camp well as we talked about earlier in our fishing days if we if we
1:39:43
had back back then what we have now and campers have Kevin right now they have the he's a great source of info right so
1:39:50
yeah and entertainment and entertainment uh as well but yeah no um uh I also urge
1:39:56
people listening to this that maybe are sitting on the fence with trying that that Outback experience to sample it and
1:40:04
see if it's for you give it don't don't wait any longer give it a a a whirl CU yeah if you have an inclination go for
1:40:11
it it's lifechanging that first one you'll never forget it it'll be with you the rest of your life the outdoors it's
1:40:16
the outdoors changes people right it really does Big Time no matter how you're whatever you're doing if you go
1:40:22
for a walk outside of your house you go for an hour walk or all of a sudden there just a different mind and the
1:40:28
other thing is you can't get away from current situations in the outdoors in other words if you and I went out on on
1:40:34
a Portage trip you can't get away from the fact that we have to interact as human beings do you know what I mean so
1:40:41
so you change and and you find yourself a little more laidback a little oh my
1:40:47
God you know everything is is effortless everything seems so natural so easy and
1:40:52
and time is not an issue so you you kind of experience a whole new part of yourself that you probably don't even
1:40:58
know exists um anyways uh like I said give him a whirl uh KY the happy camper
1:41:06
or Casey happy camper I guess is the actual name and his name is Kevin Kellen
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